NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.johntitor.com/

I am listening to Coast to Coast AM (like I do every Friday), and George is talking to Titor's family attorney. John Titor is apparently a guy who is from the future, who traveled back in time to warn us of the future. It's just so fun to listen to this because the story for the future always changes. Of course with tonight being Open Lines Night, it'll be interesting to see how many people get sucked into this, believing that it's real. So what do you guys think of John Titor, "Time Traveler"?

He went back to his own time.

He was ahead of his time.

Shut up!

He fixed the Y2K bug for us. What more do you want?

Con man, but entertaining.

Shut up!

He fixed the Y2K bug for us. What more do you want?

I want us to be in a Civil War right now which should've started in 2005...

I want us to be in a Civil War right now which should've started in 2005...

Maybe he was actually Iraqi.

I want us to be in a Civil War right now which should've started in 2005...

That didn't happen because he fixed the Y2K bug.

That didn't happen because he fixed the Y2K bug.

That's pretty convenient.

That's pretty convenient.

Yah, well he was smart enough to come back from 2035 or whatever, so I expect putting the whole war of thingy was easy for him.

http://www.johntitor.com/

I am listening to Coast to Coast AM (like I do every Friday), and George is talking to Titor's family attorney. John Titor is apparently a guy who is from the future, who traveled back in time to warn us of the future. It's just so fun to listen to this because the story for the future always changes. Of course with tonight being Open Lines Night, it'll be interesting to see how many people get sucked into this, believing that it's real.

So what do you guys think of John Titor, "Time Traveler"?

I have the same opinion as ever on this topic that is one of those set of slightly annyoying rotating topics.

It's still an old played out hoax that has been thourghly debunked on several levels just like it was last year, the year before last, and two years ago.

I find the funniest bit to be that he based his story in part on a little known RPG the name of which I don't recall at the moment.

If time travel will be possible in the future, it will always have been possible. Since I do not have my time machine, I think this is a hoax.

If time travel will be possible in the future, it will always have been possible. Since I do not have my time machine, I think this is a hoax.

Not wanting to suggest it is not a hoax, but your assumption just doesn't hold up.

For example, time travel might be reliant on some particular circumstance which is not yet 'true' (temporal background radiation, perhaps?). Thus - even if you made a perfect time machine now, it wouldn't (yet) work. Under such a situation, one might be able to travel through time, but one would only be able to make a working time machine from the point at which the 'circumstance' occured.


As another thought - time travel might be possible, but time machines might not... for example, some kind of temporal anomaly where by one 'comes out' of the anomaly earlier than one 'goes in'. The journey might be one way... probably would be, in fact... and emrely being a time traveller would grant no knowledge of how to travel through time, or ability to replicate the mechanism.

If there's time needing to be killed, then crazy or not, this guy does the job.

Obviously the story keeps changing because the future is changing...

time traveler: no
ugly website designer: yes

time traveler: no
ugly website designer: yes

Yea, I was thinking exactly that... that is an incredibly ugly website design.

Obviously the story keeps changing because the future is changing...
Duh, that's why it's true.:D

Time travel IS possible, but it requires a wormhole, wormhole manipulation technology, and the ability to utilize negative energy, none of which we have nor will have anytime in the next millenia. So John Titor is a failure.

(Unless somehow we can manipulate things on a quantum level to effect time travel in a different manner, but I've seen no real theory that actually suggests that.)

Time travel IS possible, but it requires a wormhole, wormhole manipulation technology, and the ability to utilize negative energy, none of which we have nor will have anytime in the next millenia. So John Titor is a failure.

(Unless somehow we can manipulate things on a quantum level to effect time travel in a different manner, but I've seen no real theory that actually suggests that.)Is that what they say in those esoteric magazines?
And what, please, is negative energy?

Let him have his fifteen minutes of fame.

After all, people still believe in the crap Nostradamus was peddling.

Is that what they say in those esoteric magazines?
And what, please, is negative energy?
I'll be damned if I know. So let's turn to Wikipedia:
* Negative rest energy, which corresponds to negative mass, which has many unusual physical consequences.
* Energy in any system below the conventionally-defined ground state. Examples are positrons under the dirac sea model of electron behavior, and the region of reduced vacuum energy associated with the Casimir effect. This type of effect typically occurs under exotic or unexpected conditions, as the definition of the ground state is usually chosen because it is the state of lowest expected energy within a system.
* Energy in any system below an arbitrarily defined zero level. Examples include electron potential energy within an atom under the Bohr model of atomic structure, and gravitational potential energy in Newton's model of gravity.


...okay, so a disambiguation page. Damn.

I'd list some stuff from the Time Travel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel) article, but it's too in-depth. However, it does mention wormholes and whatnot.

As for where I got the idea, I believe I read it in Scientific American.

I think he may of actually gone insane and in his insanity he truly believes he is a time traveller thus it is very easy to convince people, as such once he does realise that what he is spouting is utter clap-trap I expect the post office to be closed for a few days at least :p

Of course if he is just having us all (not) on it would be far better if he was a Viking from the past or maybe a Caveman

Is that what they say in those esoteric magazines?
And what, please, is negative energy?

One of the principles of Quantum physics is never ever ask questions, its all bullshit every letter :)

After all, people still believe in the crap Nostradamus was peddling.

Why won’t anyone listen! the world is going to end in 1999 :eek:

It's an obvious hoax.

almost half way decent bull shit artist, who needed to do a little more homework to be entirely convincing.

=^^=
.../\...

It gave me a quick lol.

First, just want to say Coast to Coast AM is AWESOME. As for Titor, I don't know if he's telling the truth, but he does make good points. I think we really do take advantage of the idea that tomorrow will be the same as yesterday, and we don't plan for a dark future. Plus, he says that overpopulation was the big factor that started the world war, and he's dead on. This might sound bad, but wars have kept our numbers in check since the beginning, but since the end of WW2, there has been relative peace. As a result, our population skyrocketed, and we're using up natural resources WAY TOO FAST. And yeah, I do think time travel is possible.

He's the messiah. I knew I lost him somewhere.

Not wanting to suggest it is not a hoax, but your assumption just doesn't hold up...
Maybe not in general, but for this particular example. I reckon if it was possible for this Titor guy to do it the way he said he did (come back from the future by machine, share his knowledge then return) then there is no reason for my future self not to bring me back blueprints and materials to make my own/send me to somewhere where I could make/acquire one myself.

First, just want to say Coast to Coast AM is AWESOME.

I am not really familiar with it, as it really got going after I'd moved to Japan, and I don't catch it on my trips back here to the states (I'm in Iowa now). But from what I've read, it sounds hilariously awful. I was reading up on it's wiki, and the best bit I found was Mel's Hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel%27s_Hole).

[QUOTE=Tateria]As for Titor, I don't know if he's telling the truth, but he does make good points.

As far as the trutfulness, there are several distinct points that have been debunked.

His timeline: First, a note on divergance - one of the supporting claims often made is that his presence would cause divergence. Here are his comments:

I would guess the temporal divergence between this world line and my original is about 1 or 2 percent.

Pamela: 5. when you go back to the future will we remember you?
Time travel_0: Yes, you will remember me if you want to. World lines do not change that way and I will only become a insignificant part of your history.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/the_john_titor_project.html

Ok, with that out of the way, here are claims that have obviously been busted (all quotes from the source above)

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.
There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005.
(How and why do the Arabs Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?)
They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.

From the age of 8 to 12, we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and national guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the �cities� and the �country� was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing �commodities� up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.
(note - the time he'd be age eight would be 2006.)
I don�t remember a great deal about media coverage during the civil conflicts. I would probably characterize it the same way you see coverage of Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez.
((8. John says the civil war which starts in 2004 or 2005 (depending on the post) leads to the world war which starts in 2015. ( So we have a TEN YEAR civil war???))
It�s 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant � we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict.
((3.) Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?))
The President or ?leader? in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

There's much more in the same vein, including a prediction of one Waco type event every month starting in 2004.

I think we really do take advantage of the idea that tomorrow will be the same as yesterday, and we don't plan for a dark future.

I'm sorry, I do not understand that sentence.

Plus, he says that overpopulation was the big factor that started the world war, and he's dead on.

He mentioned athat briefly, but most of his focus is the US Civil War. And at the risk of getting off track on this, you're severly overestimating the population problem.

This might sound bad, but wars have kept our numbers in check since the beginning, but since the end of WW2, there has been relative peace.

Simply false. The population boom has much more to do with industrialism than with war, and it began well before the end of WW II.

As a result, our population skyrocketed, and we're using up natural resources WAY TOO FAST.

Again, false. Population has little to do with current resource problems.

And yeah, I do think time travel is possible.

I'll leave the physics to someone else, but, as I understand, he's been fairly well busted there too.

Time travel to the future is possible, due to relativity. Time travel to the past violates practically every element of physics, and probably parts of various other disciplines.

Time travel to the future is possible, due to relativity. Time travel to the past violates practically every element of physics, and probably parts of various other disciplines.

Only if the time travel is material.

If the time traveller, instead, was a mere passenger (kind of like Prot, in K-Pax), then there is no reason why travel to the past shouldn't be possible.

Only if the time travel is material.

If the time traveller, instead, was a mere passenger (kind of like Prot, in K-Pax), then there is no reason why travel to the past shouldn't be possible.

Can you explain how one is supposed to travel back in time then?

The patron saint of all miscreant forum troll trash.

Can you explain how one is supposed to travel back in time then?
If time is a dimension in reference to which the body of our universe has a "velocity", you could piggy-back onto other bodies moving a little faster in the same direction. How you'd do that is anyone's guess. ^^;

If time is a dimension in reference to which the body of our universe has a "velocity", you could piggy-back onto other bodies moving a little faster in the same direction. How you'd do that is anyone's guess. ^^;

It's not, though.

It's not, though.
News to me. What is it then?

News to me. What is it then?

It's the fourth dimension, and, like all dimensions, is a side-effect of the existance of energy, if my recollection is correct.

Time travel to the future is possible, due to relativity.

Time travel to the future is also possible in ordinary experience, as we are all travelling forward in time - albeit at the rather slow rate of one second per second.

It's the fourth dimension, and, like all dimensions, is a side-effect of the existance of energy, if my recollection is correct.

Exactly so.

http://www.johntitor.com/

I am listening to Coast to Coast AM (like I do every Friday), and George is talking to Titor's family attorney. John Titor is apparently a guy who is from the future, who traveled back in time to warn us of the future. It's just so fun to listen to this because the story for the future always changes. Of course with tonight being Open Lines Night, it'll be interesting to see how many people get sucked into this, believing that it's real. So what do you guys think of John Titor, "Time Traveler"?

Roflcopter.

They should make Back to the Future IV into a parody of John Titor.

Interestingly enough, there is a John Titor who lives in Orlando Florida...

I read this story a couple of years ago, but when all of his predictions for the future didn't happen, and he was proven to be a hoaxer, people stopped talking about him.

If time is a dimension in reference to which the body of our universe has a "velocity", you could piggy-back onto other bodies moving a little faster in the same direction. How you'd do that is anyone's guess. ^^;

It's not, though.

News to me. What is it then?

It's the fourth dimension, and, like all dimensions, is a side-effect of the existance of energy, if my recollection is correct.

I lol'd.

I read this story a couple of years ago, but when all of his predictions for the future didn't happen, and he was proven to be a hoaxer, people stopped talking about him.

Not to mention that John Titor somehow became a resident of Orlando at the age of 8...

It was a group hoax and I was a part of it. We all got together over the internet and decided to start a lie and see how far we got with it. Pretty far as some still believe it even though none of it's true and very little is even possible.

It was a group hoax and I was a part of it. We all got together over the internet and decided to start a lie and see how far we got with it. Pretty far as some still believe it even though none of it's true and very little is even possible.

I'd like to be the first to call bullshit.

It was a group hoax and I was a part of it. We all got together over the internet and decided to start a lie and see how far we got with it. Pretty far as some still believe it even though none of it's true and very little is even possible.

Srsly? That would be pretty cool...although I'd be interested in some evidence.

My only claims to internet fame are Habbo raids, /b/, and posting in the Metis scat video threads on SA...

Can you explain how one is supposed to travel back in time then?

Because, obviously, I have the 'technique' down?

The big obstacle to conventional ideas of time travel is conservation of mass - how can I stop being 'here' now, and start being somewehere else 'earlier'... since all of a sudden there is less 'stuff' here and now, and more 'stuff' there and then.

However, these rules do not apply if the mass is not moved, for example, if one projects consciousness of sensitivity onto an already existant mass. There woud still be a matter of 'energy', but it might be possible to use the energy that was alredy present in the past entity - merely directing it to different objectives - rather than adding or subtracting it.

Can I explain the intimate details? Obviously not - or I'd be doing it.

It's the fourth dimension, and, like all dimensions, is a side-effect of the existance of energy, if my recollection is correct.

Ever heard that phrase about how absolute statements are always wrong?

The science establishment has a lot of ideas, and a lot of them are very good... but it is folly to assume one ever knows anything to be absolute.

'Time' functions as a 'fourth dimension' to our spatial dimensions (which is, by the way, not counter-indicated by what Kamsaki said...) but, like a cube moving through two dimensions appearing to be a square, it is not safe to assume the 'shape' of time.

What you see as a 'fourth dimension' could be the threshhold of 'three-dimensions' of temporal coordinates, just like our three dimensions of spatial coordinates. We just can't 'see' the whole thing, because we can only see what impinges on our 'plane'.


To extend the concept further - a one dimensional form would appear as a linear form. An entity in that 'linear' form, if somehow lifted out into the second dimension, would be capable of re-entering it's one-dimensional existence at a point distant from it's departure point. To other entities in the one dimensional world, it would appear that our subject had disappeared and reappeared elsewhere.

A two dimensional form would appear flat, and, again, any entity in our two dimensional world lifted into the third dimension, could be replaced anywhere in the second dimensional plane, effectively disappearing and reappearing.

Similarly, if one could life we three dimensional entities into the fourth, we could travel effectively instantaneously to other three dimensional points... by the simple process of being 'put down' somewhere other than where we are 'picked up'.

Extending into the fourth dimension, it is not unreasonable to assume on could, again, be lifted 'out' of the four dimensional reality, and replaced at a different point. This would appear - to us, with our limited capacity to view the fourth dimensional axis - to be 'time travel'.

re: topic title:

Why cant a time traveler ALSO be an insane idiot?

If you're taking Coast to Coast seriously, you've got big problems. :D

Let him have his fifteen minutes of fame.

After all, people still believe in the crap Nostradamus was peddling.

Good one!:D Nostradamus, among many other bs artists.

Anyway, I have a time machine, I just can't seem to find any element x-399 to make it work.