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Or do you think they'll pull themselves out?

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7324

wow thats bad. it means that there will be many men who have no chance to have a wife and a child of their own. thats not good for society

on the plus side. surplus men are better for the population problem since they cannot bear children on their own. they will die without ever contributing to the overpopulation

i know china has been trying hard to promote the idea that girls are good but i guess its not really working.

That is not that bad. 12:10 is reasonable.

Considering a lot of males die, things arent that bad. Also, that is somewhat good for women, because that means there will be less women for men, and they will have more options when choosing which person they want to marry.

That is not that bad. 12:10 is reasonable.

Considering a lot of males die, things arent that bad. Also, that is somewhat good for women, because that means there will be less women for men, and they will have more options when choosing which person they want to marry.

no its bad. thats millions of men single for their entire lives.

unless there is a better balance than reported because there are many unreported girls as the article hinted at.

no its bad. thats millions of men single for their entire lives.

unless there is a better balance than reported because there are many unreported girls as the article hinted at.
I'd say so also. In some places it's 130 women to 100 men. You're looking at serious social unrest in the lower levels of society in a place not known for enlightened views on women's rights.

Yeah, the more worrying stat was that 30% of the population would be 65+ by 2050. Couple that with the current population under working age (20%), then that leaves a mere 50% of people of working age. This means every person will have to do enough work to support two people. For reference, 67% of people in the USA are of working age.

no its bad. thats millions of men single for their entire lives.

unless there is a better balance than reported because there are many unreported girls as the article hinted at.They can just get some Russian mail order brides... c.c

no its bad. thats millions of men single for their entire lives.

unless there is a better balance than reported because there are many unreported girls as the article hinted at.

I'm sure a lot of men can relate to being single their entire lives in other countries.

I'm sure a lot of men can relate to being single their entire lives in other countries.

If you're talking about homosexuality, China is the most intolerant country in the world where that's concerned. You have a country that doesn't treat females well, has a surplus of males and considers homosexuality a major crime. I think they have huge problems.

Well, seeing as the government is on a massive brainwashing campaign (which is kinda sad in its own right) to change this attitude, I'd say it is gosh-darned self-destructive.

Yep, China has major problems in the near future. The government may need to rethink their opposition to homosexuality given the numbers, alot of guys have a choice of being single or gay. Alot of parents are choosing to have a boy rather than a girl. Definately on the road to self-destructing.

If you're talking about homosexuality, China is the most intolerant country in the world where that's concerned. You have a country that doesn't treat females well, has a surplus of males and considers homosexuality a major crime. I think they have huge problems.

What ? No. Being single doesn't mean being gay!

I'm talking about men in the west who have trouble getting a date even with a sufficient amount of women.

I might be wrong but I think the preference for male babies comes from the tradition of a bride's family giving large amounts of money to a groom's family at the wedding.

Just give them a computer and push them towards NSG and they'll be fine.

What ? No. Being single doesn't mean being gay!

I'm talking about men in the west who have trouble getting a date even with a sufficient amount of women.

but in the west 99% Of all men who want to get married will get married. (leaving out that gay thing). there are towns in western china with 80% men. they arent allowed free choice in where to live, where will they get wives?

Or do you think they'll pull themselves out?

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7324
Forgive me, but I'm a bit confused by the title.

"Is China's Gender Bias Self-Destructive?"

Well golly, I'm guessing that it's pretty fucking destructive to the Chinese WOMEN, yeah, considering that they are viewed as subhumans whose lives only matter insofar as it would be inconvenient to men if they weren't around. I'd say it's deeply fucking destructive to treat human beings that way simply because they had the poor taste to be born without a cock.

Talk about a stupid question. :rolleyes:

Forgive me, but I'm a bit confused by the title.

"Is China's Gender Bias Self-Destructive?"

Well golly, I'm guessing that it's pretty fucking destructive to the Chinese WOMEN, yeah, considering that they are viewed as subhumans whose lives only matter insofar as it would be inconvenient to men if they weren't around. I'd say it's deeply fucking destructive to treat human beings that way simply because they had the poor taste to be born without a cock.

Talk about a stupid question. :rolleyes:

There's a link to an article, read it.

but in the west 99% Of all men who want to get married will get married. (leaving out that gay thing). there are towns in western china with 80% men. they arent allowed free choice in where to live, where will they get wives?

I was trying to make all the single men here feel really bad about themselves.

There's a link to an article, read it.
Well.. how about you read it..?

There's a link to an article, read it.
Yeah, I read it, and it's just more of the same.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"

Forgive me, but in a culture where female babies are aborted or left to die of exposure because women are of such low value, I have a hard time giving a shit about the poor poor menfolks who can't get a date. Maybe they should try viewing women as HUMAN BEINGS rather than as potential wifebots and incubators.

The gender gap in China isn't tragic because of the horrible plight of single men. Newsflash: men are not innately entitled to have a woman of their very own.

The situation is tragic because of the female human beings who are being treated like garbage. It is disgusting to see so many people view this as a problem for China simply because they're low on wives for their menfolk. How about, say, all the female doctors and scientists and artists and teachers that they are missing out on? How about all the women who have something to contribute to society beyond just pushing out babies for their man?

But nah. The gender gap is "self-destructive" because there won't be enough BAYBEES getting made. Not because the country is crippling itself by effectively trashing 50% of its citizens, throwing away real human beings, and ignoring half of the brilliant minds and talented people in their nation. No, it's because they'll run low on incubators.

I was trying to make all the single men here feel really bad about themselves.

you are so mean!

Yeah, I read it, and it's just more of the same.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"

Forgive me, but in a culture where female babies are aborted or left to die of exposure because women are of such low value, I have a hard time giving a shit about the poor poor menfolks who can't get a date. Maybe they should try viewing women as HUMAN BEINGS rather than as potential wifebots and incubators.

The gender gap in China isn't tragic because of the horrible plight of single men. Newsflash: men are not innately entitled to have a woman of their very own.

The situation is tragic because of the female human beings who are being treated like garbage. It is disgusting to see so many people view this as a problem for China simply because they're low on wives for their menfolk. How about, say, all the female doctors and scientists and artists and teachers that they are missing out on? How about all the women who have something to contribute to society beyond just pushing out babies for their man?

But nah. The gender gap is "self-destructive" because there won't be enough BAYBEES getting made. Not because the country is crippling itself by effectively trashing 50% of its citizens, throwing away real human beings, and ignoring half of the brilliant minds and talented people in their nation. No, it's because they'll run low on incubators.

The gender gap is symptomatic of an inherent flaw in Chinese policy and culture; I know this. Now, do you think they'll get smart and recover, or can the West breath a sigh of relief knowing that the Chinese, who send many of their excess girl children to the U.S. and other western nations for adoption, are working themselves into oblivion.

The gender gap is symptomatic of an inherent flaw in Chinese policy and culture; I know this. Now, do you think they'll get smart and recover, or can the West breath a sigh of relief knowing that the Chinese, who send many of their excess girl children to the U.S. and other western nations for adoption, are working themselves into oblivion.

What do you mean into oblivion. Are you afraid the pop. of China will get too small?

What do you mean into oblivion. Are you afraid the pop. of China will get too small?

If the trend continues. The question is, will they be able to stop the trend?

If the trend continues. The question is, will they be able to stop the trend?

Invisible Hand (on white horse) will come charging to the rescue.

Yeah, I read it, and it's just more of the same.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"
tors.

that IS the problem, like it or not

men who cant get married are a huge social problem. they have no reason to settle down and put the old nose to the grindstone. they act up. are generally pissed at society. they commit more crime, join more gangs, start more rebellions.

the chinese government has been working for 55 years to improve the lot of women in china. its one of the few good things they have done. in china today women are educated, they are bosses. they can work their way to the top levels of government. women have full legal equality.

the government has a massive campaign to reverse this attitude. if they cant convince the people that girls are just as good as boys they are going to have to figure out what to do with a huge excess of men.

Good lord we are talking about the most populus country in the world. In other news, Egypt has expressed concern that they may run low on sand some day in the future. Film at 11.

If the trend continues. The question is, will they be able to stop the trend?
Well, the reason this started was because of the laws that punished parents who had more than one child. So, when that law is lifted the infanticide and frequent abortions will also cease.
The reason that law was made was because there was a problem with over population. So when the country has a small enough population they will likely lift the law.

The gender gap is symptomatic of an inherent flaw in Chinese policy and culture; I know this. Now, do you think they'll get smart and recover, or can the West breath a sigh of relief knowing that the Chinese, who send many of their excess girl children to the U.S. and other western nations for adoption, are working themselves into oblivion.
Hopefully the Chinese will continue progressing toward less hideous sexism (as I also hope for the rest of the world). Will this result in a stablization of the gender gap? Most likely, yes. Will it result in a renewed increase in the rate of growth of their population? I sure as hell hope not.

Actually, the more liberated and educated women become, the fewer children they choose to have (on average). If you give women the freedom and the ability to plan their families, they do so. This is not only a wonderful thing for women, who certainly deserve the unquestioned right to control their own reproduction, but is also great news for our already-overpopulated planet.

As for "working themselves into oblivion," what a joke. The idea that China will somehow run out of humans is laughable. They are in absolutely no danger of that whatsoever.

And as for the idea of "the West" being somehow happy about it if China were to collapse in the near future, that is equally laughable. You have to be completely ignorant of both international politics and global economics to even consider such a goofball notion.

Well, the reason this started was because of the laws that punished parents who had more than one child. So, when that law is lifted the infanticide and frequent abortions will also cease.
I wish. The reality is that these practices (aborting female fetuses and killing female babies) are practiced in many countries where there is no legal limit on family size. Poverty is what most often drives this; because girls are of less value, a family doesn't want to divert their already-short resources to feeding and clothing a girl child, when they could save those resources for boy children who actually have value.

I might be wrong but I think the preference for male babies comes from the tradition of a bride's family giving large amounts of money to a groom's family at the wedding.

Does anyone know if this is true or not?

that IS the problem, like it or not

Only if you choose to pretend that women are not human beings.


men who cant get married are a huge social problem. they have no reason to settle down and put the old nose to the grindstone. they act up. are generally pissed at society. they commit more crime, join more gangs, start more rebellions.

So you're saying that we should be providing more pussy to the kind of men who vent their frustrations by becoming gang members and criminals? Yeah, I really see a lot of women jumping forward to be with that kind of fellow voluntarily...

I guess women just have to take this one for the team, huh? We don't want these guys going out and killing people, so you ladies better give it up prono! Make sure they're nice and satisfied, or else they'll go wreck up society and junk!

Forgive me, but I think it's pathetic to run your society like a protection racket.

the chinese government has been working for 55 years to improve the lot of women in china. its one of the few good things they have done. in china today women are educated, they are bosses. they can work their way to the top levels of government. women have full legal equality.

I work with a woman who moved here from China in 2001. She informs me that women are still far from equal in China, and that most of the progress that has occurred is confined to urban areas and middle to upper class women. Rural areas and poor women see few benefits.


the government has a massive campaign to reverse this attitude. if they cant convince the people that girls are just as good as boys they are going to have to figure out what to do with a huge excess of men.
I don't think they're going to convince many people that girls are as good as boys if they are simultaneously going with the message that we need more girls TO GIVE TO THE BOYS as bribes to keep them on their best behavior.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"


I don't think that's why people are worried. I think people are worried - or at least they should be - because China is the world's fourth largest economy.... yada yada yada......well you get the idea.

I don't think anyone really cares about chinese identity politics.

so you ladies better give it up prono! This was almost a perfect typo. Switch your o and your r.

I don't think that's why people are worried. I think people are worried - or at least they should be - because China is the world's fourth largest economy.... yada yada yada......well you get the idea.

I don't think anyone really cares about chinese identity politics.
Given that China's economic status has been improving all this time (while the gender gap has widened and their population growth has decreased), I find that silly as well.

Given that China's economic status has been improving all this time (while the gender gap has widened and their population growth has decreased), I find that silly as well.

You find the idea of serious social unrest in a country with one of the world's largest economies and millitaries silly?

Only if you choose to pretend that women are not human beings.


So you're saying that we should be providing more pussy to the kind of men who vent their frustrations by becoming gang members and criminals? Yeah, I really see a lot of women jumping forward to be with that kind of fellow voluntarily...

I guess women just have to take this one for the team, huh? We don't want these guys going out and killing people, so you ladies better give it up prono! Make sure they're nice and satisfied, or else they'll go wreck up society and junk!

Forgive me, but I think it's pathetic to run your society like a protection racket.

I work with a woman who moved here from China in 2001. She informs me that women are still far from equal in China, and that most of the progress that has occurred is confined to urban areas and middle to upper class women. Rural areas and poor women see few benefits.


I don't think they're going to convince many people that girls are as good as boys if they are simultaneously going with the message that we need more girls TO GIVE TO THE BOYS as bribes to keep them on their best behavior.

yes the chinese have brought this on themselves. that is true of so many problems in the world. we bring them on ourselves.

the government is working to change attitudes towards women and girls. they have been working on it since before they came to power. OBVIOUSLY it hasnt worked as well as they would like it to.

so its somehow wrong to be concerned that one of the worlds great powers is driving itself to a huge problem?

Hopefully the Chinese will continue progressing toward less hideous sexism (as I also hope for the rest of the world). Will this result in a stablization of the gender gap? Most likely, yes. Will it result in a renewed increase in the rate of growth of their population? I sure as hell hope not.

Actually, the more liberated and educated women become, the fewer children they choose to have (on average). If you give women the freedom and the ability to plan their families, they do so. This is not only a wonderful thing for women, who certainly deserve the unquestioned right to control their own reproduction, but is also great news for our already-overpopulated planet.

As for "working themselves into oblivion," what a joke. The idea that China will somehow run out of humans is laughable. They are in absolutely no danger of that whatsoever.

And as for the idea of "the West" being somehow happy about it if China were to collapse in the near future, that is equally laughable. You have to be completely ignorant of both international politics and global economics to even consider such a goofball notion.

Perhaps their population won't decline seriously, perhaps they won't collapse, but given not only the population trends, but some serious public health issues, to wit smoking - 70% of men in China smoke as opposed to only 4% of women (and we all know how good smoking is for your health) - I don't foresee much good.

I'm talking about men in the west who have trouble getting a date even with a sufficient amount of women.
That happens everywhere; these Chinese guys have it a lot worse.

But nah. The gender gap is "self-destructive" because there won't be enough BAYBEES getting made. Not because the country is crippling itself by effectively trashing 50% of its citizens, throwing away real human beings, and ignoring half of the brilliant minds and talented people in their nation. No, it's because they'll run low on incubators.
You really need to accept biology. I'm sorry that women evolved as the child-carriers of the human race, but there is no point in being angry about it. No man is to blame, and if you are a woman and hate the idea of pregnancy, don't get pregnant.

if they cant convince the people that girls are just as good as boys they are going to have to figure out what to do with a huge excess of men.
Given that it's China, they'll probably just kill them all.

Does anyone know if this is true or not?
Yes, it's called a dowry.

Only if you choose to pretend that women are not human beings.
You're pretending that men aren't human beings! Most of us need to be loved, it's a basic human need.

This would equally be a problem if there was a shortage of men.

So you're saying that we should be providing more pussy to the kind of men who vent their frustrations by becoming gang members and criminals? Yeah, I really see a lot of women jumping forward to be with that kind of fellow voluntarily...
Criminals aren't born, they're made.

I guess women just have to take this one for the team, huh? We don't want these guys going out and killing people, so you ladies better give it up prono! Make sure they're nice and satisfied, or else they'll go wreck up society and junk!
If the women existed, they would want to be with the men.

You find the idea of serious social unrest in a country with one of the world's largest economies and millitaries silly?
And China's history...

What lots of Chinese men are doing is heading into the poorer Asian countries like Vietnam and buying brides. Poor as the Chinese are, they still earn more than the average vietnamese so the women take the opportunity to leave and send money back home.

So it's just moving the problem over. Soon there'll be millions of single Vietnamese men on the hunt for woman.

Other than, my advice to all of you is to invest in the Chinese porn industry. There's going to be millions of lonely men with a lot of time on their hands.

no its bad. thats millions of men single for their entire lives.

unless there is a better balance than reported because there are many unreported girls as the article hinted at.
Not enough unreported to right the unbalance. I believe China recently changed its policies to if the first born is a girl, the couple can have a second child to try to get a boy. (This is just what I heard in China, and I haven't checked any reliable sources yet.) With the new policy, more girls are going to be registered anyway.

If you're talking about homosexuality, China is the most intolerant country in the world where that's concerned. You have a country that doesn't treat females well, has a surplus of males and considers homosexuality a major crime. I think they have huge problems.
Actually, that's just the older generations. From my personal experience, the teenagers don't really care if someone's gay as long as the gay people do not hit on the straight people. It's the older generation that are absolutely against gay relationships. The main problem is that nobody there has enough guts to come out as gay even if he/she is really attracted to people of the same sex. The situation will improve as the country becomes more openminded.

Yeah, I read it, and it's just more of the same.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"
I think it's more,
"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because it has the potential to lead to serious social unrest in a major economic power which will have a major impact on the rest of the world."

There's already serious unrest going on in that country. Riots somewhere in the place weekly that are supressed harshly by the authorites desperate to present a happy unified face to the rest of the world and (more importantly) to their own populace.

The Chinese ppl are overwhelmed by obligations towards traditions - traditions that pretty much imply there's something wrong with you if you're not married, producing grandsons and supporting your parents. That sort of groupthink going to take longer to change than the gender imbalance.
So we're left with a large segment of male population, single and losing face (for themselves and their family) because of it.
The growing liberalisation and economic growth and wealth (which is helping only a small % of the population) of the country is adding to their malcontent.

That equals social problems on a big scale.
The PRC only knows how to stamp down hard on social unrest. So that's what they'll do. But that's obviously not going to solve anything.

Just give them a computer and push them towards NSG and they'll be fine.
Ha, oh what a sight that'd be. All Chinese teenagers would be torn apart here and eating alive. Then they'd be spat out because they taste so aweful. Imagine the most mindless twink in North America, multiply that by 10, and you have the average teenager in China. I was past the point of wanting to laugh at their pathetic mindless lives and honestly felt sorry for them for being so media and star obsessed. Do you really want NSG overran by those people?

Not enough unreported to right the unbalance. I believe China recently changed its policies to if the first born is a girl, the couple can have a second child to try to get a boy. (This is just what I heard in China, and I haven't checked any reliable sources yet.) With the new policy, more girls are going to be registered anyway.
That's only allowed in rural areas for farmers.

It's illegal to get an ultrasound to check the fetus' sex, but many still do. Then abortion or if they do give birth just dumping the newborn baby.

Yeah, I read it, and it's just more of the same.

"Geez, this gender gap is such a big problem, because now there are MEN who can't acquire their very own woman!"

Forgive me, but in a culture where female babies are aborted or left to die of exposure because women are of such low value, I have a hard time giving a shit about the poor poor menfolks who can't get a date. Maybe they should try viewing women as HUMAN BEINGS rather than as potential wifebots and incubators.

The gender gap in China isn't tragic because of the horrible plight of single men. Newsflash: men are not innately entitled to have a woman of their very own.

The situation is tragic because of the female human beings who are being treated like garbage. It is disgusting to see so many people view this as a problem for China simply because they're low on wives for their menfolk. How about, say, all the female doctors and scientists and artists and teachers that they are missing out on? How about all the women who have something to contribute to society beyond just pushing out babies for their man?

But nah. The gender gap is "self-destructive" because there won't be enough BAYBEES getting made. Not because the country is crippling itself by effectively trashing 50% of its citizens, throwing away real human beings, and ignoring half of the brilliant minds and talented people in their nation. No, it's because they'll run low on incubators.
Two points:

1) What you said only applies to a part of China now. In cities and more developed areas, girls are treated as equals as boys. I was treated as an equal in elementary school and so were the other girls. Hell, the girls were kicking the boys' asses in school. Society is not ignoring females; old fashioned prejudice is, and those prejudice is only inherent in people of my grandmother's generation. My father's side of the family were farmers of the lower uneducated class, and even those of his generation do not discriminate against girls anymore. It is not as bad as the West makes it out to be.

2) Chinese women degrade themselves to wifebots. The goals of most of those girls are finding rich good-looking husbands and never have to work in their entire lives and live off the husbands like leeches. This is not a minority, it is not even barely a majority, it's almost ALL of the girls there. They gave up their own free will the moment they decided to become mindless drones to the media and let others tell them what they want. They are also lazy and do not value their own education, thinking a rich husband can provide for them. When I told my family I do not want to marry, they all looked at me as if I have committed some great social sin. The women are not fragile oppressed beings; they're letting themselves be treated like baby machines.

Actually, the more liberated and educated women become, the fewer children they choose to have (on average). If you give women the freedom and the ability to plan their families, they do so. This is not only a wonderful thing for women, who certainly deserve the unquestioned right to control their own reproduction, but is also great news for our already-overpopulated planet.

It is so expensive to raise a child in China right now that most families can't afford to have 2 or 3 even if they wanted to.

Ha, oh what a sight that'd be. All Chinese teenagers would be torn apart here and eating alive. Then they'd be spat out because they taste so aweful. Imagine the most mindless twink in North America, multiply that by 10, and you have the average teenager in China. I was past the point of wanting to laugh at their pathetic mindless lives and honestly felt sorry for them for being so media and star obsessed. Do you really want NSG overran by those people?

WTF Are you trying to say about Chinese teenagers?

2) Chinese women degrade themselves to wifebots. The goals of most of those girls are finding rich good-looking husbands and never have to work in their entire lives and live off the husbands like leeches. This is not a minority, it is not even barely a majority, it's almost ALL of the girls there. They gave up their own free will the moment they decided to become mindless drones to the media and let others tell them what they want. They are also lazy and do not value their own education, thinking a rich husband can provide for them. When I told my family I do not want to marry, they all looked at me as if I have committed some great social sin. The women are not fragile oppressed beings; they're letting themselves be treated like baby machines.

That's hot. Maybe I should move to china.

I wish. The reality is that these practices (aborting female fetuses and killing female babies) are practiced in many countries where there is no legal limit on family size. Poverty is what most often drives this; because girls are of less value, a family doesn't want to divert their already-short resources to feeding and clothing a girl child, when they could save those resources for boy children who actually have value.

The value thing tends to stem from the concept of dowries I think. Or maybe vice versa.

WTF Are you trying to say about Chinese teenagers?
That they're sad mindless drones who would never survive at a place like NSG.
That's hot. Maybe I should move to china.
Oh trust me, the minute you show up there (and I am assuming you are white), girls will be more than friendly towards you, even if you're not rich. It's more like the mentality of "I got a white husband so I'm better than the rest of you." :rolleyes:

I work with a woman who moved here from China in 2001. She informs me that women are still far from equal in China, and that most of the progress that has occurred is confined to urban areas and middle to upper class women. Rural areas and poor women see few benefits.


I think you'll find this a particularly universal trait among human societies. At least those with patriarchal slants.

Oh trust me, the minute you show up there (and I am assuming you are white), girls will be more than friendly towards you, even if you're not rich. It's more like the mentality of "I got a white husband so I'm better than the rest of you." :rolleyes:

I'm kind of white.

If only I could speak cantonese, damnit. High level approach.

I'm kind of white.

If only I could speak cantonese, damnit. High level approach.
Mandarin, not cantonese. Cantonese people are better off and purists. Besides, if you're going by looks, the Mandarin girls are prettier on average.

Oh god, why am I even giving you advice on this?

Mandarin, not cantonese. Cantonese people are better off and purists. Besides, if you're going by looks, the Mandarin girls are prettier on average.

Oh god, why am I even giving you advice on this?

90% of my chinese friends are cantonese. And I like the food more.

I disagree about the looks thing, but that is just an asthetic preference, so it means nothing. (Not to mention a generalization ;) ).

Still, I'll take your words under advisement.

That's hot. Maybe I should move to china.

Oh trust me, the minute you show up there (and I am assuming you are white), girls will be more than friendly towards you, even if you're not rich. It's more like the mentality of "I got a white husband so I'm better than the rest of you." :rolleyes:

I've gotten a similar reaction in Japan, although not to that extreme. The whole culture is so Western oriented and homogenious that a white teenager is automatically the subject of at least curiosity and sometimes attraction. Of course the girls that are going to be attracted to you are going to be.....well, lets just say that there is a very good reason why I've never even looked to possibly hook up with anyone in any way over there.

That's a lot of men...

A lot of men who will be seeking the ladies...

Does Playboy sell stock?

Is China's Gender Bias Self-Destructive?
Not with their numbers.

That's a lot of men...

A lot of men who will be seeking the ladies...

Does Playboy sell stock?

It's a dying dog. PLA (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PLA).

Really, I would invest in the japanese sexrobot plan before playboy.

Or do you think they'll pull themselves out?

http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7324

Some men wont find women to breed. That's good.

1) China is too populous. It'll contribute to population stabilization/decline.

2)Better for evolution. ie: women will choose better men to mate. So if all women choose better, the excess men will be the less good ones. If these continues for generations...

and also thats not good because some men may feel sadder...

Though I see the irony in the PLA.

So maybe you should invest.

Some men wont find women to breed. That's good.

1) China is too populous. It'll contribute to population stabilization/decline.

2)Better for evolution. ie: women will choose better men to mate. So if all women choose better, the excess men will be the less good ones. If these continues for generations...

and also thats not good because some men may feel sadder...

whats the most typical way countries get rid of extra men?

start a war. with 10s of millions of extra men, it could be a big war.

whats the most typical way countries get rid of extra men?

start a war. with 10s of millions of extra men, it could be a big war.

WW2 costed something like 60 million? Thats nothing compared to 1.4 billion population of China.

WW2 costed something like 60 million? Thats nothing compared to 1.4 billion population of China.

Indeed, and anyway the vast majority of casualties in WWII were civilians. That said, it could end up being the case where the means don't justify the ends.

In other words, China will start an agressive war just to try and control the social unrest that the male/female balance has incurred.

I suggest sending them women now.

I've gotten a similar reaction in Japan, although not to that extreme. The whole culture is so Western oriented and homogenious that a white teenager is automatically the subject of at least curiosity and sometimes attraction. Of course the girls that are going to be attracted to you are going to be.....well, lets just say that there is a very good reason why I've never even looked to possibly hook up with anyone in any way over there.
Yup, the good 'ol Gaijin notch on the belt.

Sadly though there's plenty of Westerners wandering to Japan for just such an experience.

Back to the OP, I do remember reading about a problem with rural men kidnapping urban women for brides because the situation is getting bad. It's also one of the reasons why China is annoyed with Japan because Japanese men have been going to China and getting wives from the rural areas as well.

I suggest sending them women now.
*lol* CHINA NEEDS WOMEN!

Yup, the good 'ol Gaijin notch on the belt.


Is that really true though? I've always assumed it was a bit of a myth. Or have I been spending too much time with the cantonese?

Is that really true though? I've always assumed it was a bit of a myth. Or have I been spending too much time with the cantonese?
Not as true as some men would wish it (meaning you're not likely to get jumped the minute you step off the plane), but there are areas in Roppongi or bars around the bases where if you're looking for sex (not a relationship, there's a difference) you'll find it. Such women are usually looking for a gaijin boyfriend to show off for a bit, just to say that they had one (Or free English lessons), and then drop said boyfriend once the novelty wears off. It's harder to find an actual relationship though.

Yup, the good 'ol Gaijin notch on the belt.

Sadly though there's plenty of Westerners wandering to Japan for just such an experience.

Back to the OP, I do remember reading about a problem with rural men kidnapping urban women for brides because the situation is getting bad. It's also one of the reasons why China is annoyed with Japan because Japanese men have been going to China and getting wives from the rural areas as well.

Really?

I thought the Japanese treat half Japanese people as complete abominations and second class citizens.

Really?

I thought the Japanese treat half Japanese people as complete abominations and second class citizens.
Depends, Half what? Actually a number of halfs (BTW, this is the Japanese term, don't yell at me about it) are rather popular and seem to fascinate the Japanese. And half babies are said to be extremely cute.

Depends, Half what? Actually a number of halfs (BTW, this is the Japanese term, don't yell at me about it) are rather popular and seem to fascinate the Japanese. And half babies are said to be extremely cute.

I mean half Japanese/Anglo.

Why doesn't China produce more girls? Some are so pretty xD

Indeed, and anyway the vast majority of casualties in WWII were civilians. That said, it could end up being the case where the means don't justify the ends.

In other words, China will start an agressive war just to try and control the social unrest that the male/female balance has incurred.

I suggest sending them women now.

youve gotta admit, though, many of those civilian casualties happened because there were so many dumb bombs dropped on certain areas to make sure that the target and the surrounding area were reduced to nothingness.

if china does start a war, however, it would admittedly be nuclear, considering their communist background and how they want to provide cheap items to people for huge profits.

if china does start a war, however, it would admittedly be nuclear, considering their communist background and how they want to provide cheap items to people for huge profits.

Huh? How did you manage to string all that together? The closest China would get to a war would probably be if Taiwan declares independence. And even then, they wouldn't want nuclear war, but rather, a conquest.

Huh? How did you manage to string all that together? The closest China would get to a war would probably be if Taiwan declares independence. And even then, they wouldn't want nuclear war, but rather, a conquest.

i strung that together with the last of a can of pepsi after a long day's college and work, so i dont remember how i strung it together, to be honest.

anyway, the boy/girl crisis will have a huge impact on china's economic and political future. maybe theyll pass a "one girl" kind of law? who knows.

it seems to me, at 1 am, that china has become progressively isolationist and is starting to look like the US after WW1, even going so far as to not back up North Korea's claim to nuclear arms/delivery systems.

Back to the OP, I do remember reading about a problem with rural men kidnapping urban women for brides because the situation is getting bad. It's also one of the reasons why China is annoyed with Japan because Japanese men have been going to China and getting wives from the rural areas as well.

I'd suggest people look at the history of Chinese literature. About as long as it has been recorded, there have been groups of 'rural' Chinese kidnapping 'urban' Chinese.

There have always been problems with population equity, not because of 'one-child' policy, but because inheritance is patrilineal... thus, if you have daughters, you 'lose the farm' in a very literal sense.

Somehow, despite centuries of this situation, China has become populous, powerful, and a major economic force.

There's no point worrying about the imminent demise of a nation that has been overcoming the same problems, time and again, since before it was 'a nation'.

youve gotta admit, though, many of those civilian casualties happened because there were so many dumb bombs dropped on certain areas to make sure that the target and the surrounding area were reduced to nothingness.


Not really. Around 50% of the deaths in WWII were allied civilians and it had nothing to do with bombs.

WW2 costed something like 60 million? Thats nothing compared to 1.4 billion population of China.
In which case, it is a moral imperative that the Chinese government use its nuclear arsenal!

Yup, the good 'ol Gaijin notch on the belt.

Sadly though there's plenty of Westerners wandering to Japan for just such an experience.

Back to the OP, I do remember reading about a problem with rural men kidnapping urban women for brides because the situation is getting bad. It's also one of the reasons why China is annoyed with Japan because Japanese men have been going to China and getting wives from the rural areas as well.

why would a japanese man want a rural chinese bride? she wouldnt fit into japanese society very well.

why would a japanese man want a rural chinese bride? she wouldnt fit into japanese society very well.
Same reason a Chinese man would want a Vietnamese bride. Because they can't find one from their own culture due to the gender imbalance.

The women accept it because it's a way to escape the crushing poverty they're in and view it as a chance to help their families. The average income in rural China is 200RMB ($25US) a month. Average income in Japan is around $3000US /month. So a Chinese woman marrying a Japanese could certainly help her family back in China immensely.

The men get a passive wife who, because of her situation, puts up with more shit than a woman from his own culture would. For some men, that's all they want - a woman to clean and cook for him and bear his children.

She is sacrificing herself for the good of her family back home and because once she's there is trapped. Unable to speak the language, understand the culture and generally shunned by the locals, even if she wanted to escape, couldn't.

It's win-win!

Same reason a Chinese man would want a Vietnamese bride. Because they can't find one from their own culture due to the gender imbalance.

The women accept it because it's a way to escape the crushing poverty they're in and view it as a chance to help their families. The average income in rural China is 200RMB ($25US) a month. Average income in Japan is around $3000US /month. So a Chinese woman marrying a Japanese could certainly help her family back in China immensely.

The men get a passive wife who, because of her situation, puts up with more shit than a woman from his own culture would. For some men, that's all they want - a woman to clean and cook for him and bear his children.

She is sacrificing herself for the good of her family back home and because once she's there is trapped. Unable to speak the language, understand the culture and generally shunned by the locals, even if she wanted to escape, couldn't.

It's win-win!


i didnt realize that there was a shortage of japanese women. or that they arent subservient enough!

i guess there are men in every culture who only want a wife as an unpaid servant who also provides sex and babies.

I think you'll find this a particularly universal trait among human societies. At least those with patriarchal slants.
Absolutely! It's certainly true in my country (the USA). I wasn't at all intending to imply that this phenomenon is unique to China. My point was simply that the much-lauded "progress" in China actually only helps a minority of the female population. That's a very good start, of course, but it's stupid to think that all Chinese women are actually able to enjoy real equality.

i didnt realize that there was a shortage of japanese women. or that they arent subservient enough!

i guess there are men in every culture who only want a wife as an unpaid servant who also provides sex and babies.

The trend in Japan is, increasingly, for women to not marry or to wait until they are older. Young women are rebelling, albeit quietly, against the traditional role of women in marriage.

Well I s'pose if you're into East Asian men, China's the place for you... heh. :p

Same reason a Chinese man would want a Vietnamese bride. Because they can't find one from their own culture due to the gender imbalance.

The women accept it because it's a way to escape the crushing poverty they're in and view it as a chance to help their families. The average income in rural China is 200RMB ($25US) a month. Average income in Japan is around $3000US /month. So a Chinese woman marrying a Japanese could certainly help her family back in China immensely.

The men get a passive wife who, because of her situation, puts up with more shit than a woman from his own culture would. For some men, that's all they want - a woman to clean and cook for him and bear his children.

She is sacrificing herself for the good of her family back home and because once she's there is trapped. Unable to speak the language, understand the culture and generally shunned by the locals, even if she wanted to escape, couldn't.

It's win-win!
Bing-bong!

More and more Japanese women are waiting to marry, or refusing to have children at all (Japan's birthrate is in free fall right now). Also, many young people are leaving the rural prefectures and heading to the larger cities (Tokyo being the destination of choice). This is leaving the elder sons with a bit of a problem as they are expected to hang around and take over the family whatevers and care for their parents. But they're having problems finding young women willing to farm or take care of aging in-laws.

And, yes, there's still a rather large segment of the male Japanese population who believes that women should be subservient in all things and that modern Japanese women have been ruined by Western notions of gender equality so their only choice is to head to China or the Philippines for women who will behave themselves.

This can and does lead to some bad situations, such as last year when a Chinese woman killed her children and her child's friend. It turns out that she was suffering from depression and isolation as she couldn't speak Japanese, her husband treated her as domestic help/sex toy and she was more or less shunned by her neighbors.

This problem is easy to solve. China just needs to embark on a large scale war of conquest. Send all of it's healthy young men to a premature death in fire and shrapnel, increase their borders, even the gender disparity, lower the world population, and ease overpopulation in Chinese cities (and those of their surrounding victim nations'). Furthermore, the global economy booms feeding eastern asian warfare and reconstruction. Many wealthy asian families will immigrate to the west to flee the chaos, further benefiting our economies as they shift and set up again locally.

For additional benefit, China should concentrate on invading it's 'shittier' neighbours (Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Burma, Mongolia, etc...) and concurrently bring hope for developement in these otherwise forsaken regions.

My only question is why China didn't think of this already, and why I am not being paid $500,000 a year for this shit. :cool:

This problem is easy to solve. China just needs to embark on a large scale war of conquest. Send all of it's healthy young men to a premature death in fire and shrapnel, increase their borders, even the gender disparity, lower the world population, and ease overpopulation in Chinese cities (and those of their surrounding victim nations'). Furthermore, the global economy booms feeding eastern asian warfare and reconstruction. Many wealthy asian families will immigrate to the west to flee the chaos, further benefiting our economies as they shift and set up again locally.

For additional benefit, China should concentrate on invading it's 'shittier' neighbours (Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Burma, Mongolia, etc...) and concurrently bring hope for developement in these otherwise forsaken regions.

My only question is why China didn't think of this already, and why I am not being paid $500,000 a year for this shit. :cool:


You're ready to be president. As soon as you're old enough, if you aren't already, run, I'll vote for you.

Many wealthy asian families will immigrate to the west to flee the chaos, further benefiting our economies as they shift and set up again locally.
Do Australians think of themselves as being to the west of China?

Well I s'pose if you're into East Asian men, China's the place for you... heh. :p

Yeah, I'd go but I can't go very long without eating.

To those who have produced the fact that it is the family of the bride that has to provide the dowry in China:

Please stop spreading non-sense. Having prejudices is fine until it's just blatently not true.

China is renowned for making being advanced in electronics. Why don't they start working on female lover bots(robots that look and act the way real human females would in intercarse), men won't get sexually frustrated and China won't get overpopulated.

BTW this is his friend using his account while he does dishes. Hi everybody! ^_^

In the long-run it could hurt them big time but they've had that policy for some time now and they've only gained in strength. You can see though that their population increase is slowly and the Indian figures are climbing so it is beginning to show.

Societies tend to correct themselves if they are free. India too has a problem with male female ratio. But due to severe paucity of girls in certain communities that practice female infanticide (in south rural Tamil Nadu, NW India etc) female infanticide has reduced a lot because the grooms no longer insist on hefty dowries because they cannot find brides to begin with. Also certain castes have started taking brides from other castes because of paucity of females in their own caste....breaking down stupid old traditions..

I am guessing since the Chinese authorities do not allow second child, people go for a safer bet (male child) and this is leading to the ratio problem.