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who said that women who dress "immodestly" are like meat in the open and why blame the cat for eating it (as in why blame the man for raping her). He subsequently claimed that he was taken out of context...but recently he has made another speech...where he says it was not so....and goes on to make more absurd claims..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070111/23/1219e.html
Sydney Muslim leader Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly has set off a new controversy, claiming Muslims have more right to be in Australia than the descendants of convicts.

On Arabic television, he said westerners were the world's biggest liars and accused the media of trying to bring him down.

The sheik was invited to appear on Egyptian television to explain his sermon comparing women who show some skin, to uncovered pieces of meat that invite predators.

At the time, Sheikh al Hilaly claimed his comments were taken out of context, but on Today in Cairo he defended the remarks, blaming the media for the national outcry.

"This is a calculated conspiracy aimed at terrorising our Islamic community, aimed at me first in order to bring the Islamic community to its knees," Sheik Hilaly said in Arabic.

He went further, claiming Muslims had more right to be in Australia than the ancestors of convicts.

"Westerners are the biggest liars, especially the English," the sheik said in translation.

"The Anglo-Saxons came to Australia in shackles, while we paid for our own tickets."

He also claimed Australia's courts were racist for sentencing Bilal Skaf to 55 years' jail for gang rape.:rolleyes:

Even the sheik's closest advisers fear a backlash over the latest remarks.

They have apologised for the comments, saying the sheik's words will cause offence.

"As a Muslim Australian, I can just apologise for the remarks," the sheik's spokesman Keysar Trad told 7News.

I'm surprised he can live in Australia safely. I would think the family or friends of a rape victim might spot him walking down the street and throw him a beating.

Somebody should have just put a bullet through his head. That would have shut him up and given a warning to other scum like him.

Somebody should have just put a bullet through his head. That would have shut him up and given a warning to other scum like him.

eh...No

He's a jackass and a moron, but neither of those are crimes.

Somebody should have just put a bullet through his head. That would have shut him up and given a warning to other scum like him.

Someone doesn't deserve to die just because their views are different to your own.

eh...No

He's a jackass and a moron, but neither of those are crimes.

maybe they should be. ;)

Just kick the fuckin' piece of shit out. If he's not a citizen he has the right to free speech, but Australia has teh right to tell him to speak it elsewhere.

Maybe Aussie immergration will refuse him entry to the country as an undesireable.Put him on a flight back to Cairo.

eh...No

He's a jackass and a moron, but neither of those are crimes.
Maybe it's not a crime, but I think it would be desirable to get rid of him. Governments across the world always commit crimes so I don't see why the Aussies couldn't just send someone in to kill him. It would be a good statement that Australia doesn't tolerate animals like him in society.

Maybe it's not a crime, but I think it would be desirable to get rid of him.
Which doesn't override his unalienable right as a human to life.

Governments across the world always commit crimes so I don't see why the Aussies couldn't just send someone in to kill him.
The "But Timmy does it too!" excuse doesn't hold any water. Just because you neighbor commits a crime doesn't give you the right to commit a crime.

It would be a good statement that Australia doesn't tolerate animals like him in society.
Murdering people because they hold unpopular opinions is not something to be proud of.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.


And if you're inclined to be less civilized, kick his ass everytime he goes out in public.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.


And if you're inclined to be less civilized, kick his ass everytime he goes out in public.

While you're at it, why not hold him down and fart on his face? :)

While you're at it, why not hold him down and fart on his face? :)

Sure. Why not? I heartily endorse the new Australian policy of holding this scumbag down and farting on his face.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.


And if you're inclined to be less civilized, kick his ass everytime he goes out in public.
I understand people's distaste for killing, but what could be wrong with deporting the guy? It's perfectly humane, and every country does it.

I understand people's distaste for killing, but what could be wrong with deporting the guy? It's perfectly humane, and every country does it.

Let him stay and serve as an object of ridicule and an example of the savagery found in those uncivilized countries like the one he came from. That way people can compare and contrast his way with the Australian way and clearly see that the Australian way is better.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.


And if you're inclined to be less civilized, kick his ass everytime he goes out in public.

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If people don't like what he has to say, just don't listen to him. Australia does have freedom of speech, no?

Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly: Reminding us that even the real world has trolls.

If people don't like what he has to say, just don't listen to him. Australia does have freedom of speech, no?
I seriously doubt you would have been saying this regarding the Mohammed cartoons controversy.

I seriously doubt you would have been saying this regarding the Mohammed cartoons controversy.

LOLOL!!!! oh dear.

Sure. Why not? I heartily endorse the new Australian policy of holding this scumbag down and farting on his face.

If you're lucky a little poop will drop on him. ;)

If people don't like what he has to say, just don't listen to him. Australia does have freedom of speech, no?

Yes. So do we. :)

If you're lucky a little poop will drop on him. ;)

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

I seriously doubt you would have been saying this regarding the Mohammed cartoons controversy.

that was different, its apples and oranges.

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

No I shouldn't. I respect people for their actions and beliefs. I don't respect this guy. I'm sure there are Imams that I would respect, but not because they are Imams.

that was different, its apples and oranges.

No it's not. :) Imams are not the only people with freedom of speech.

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

No.

Respect is earned.

You should really have a little respect for Imams.
Trying to blame the victim for rape voids any respect he should have because he's an Imam. Which is pretty much none.
that was different, its apples and oranges.
It's pretty much the same. The mohammed cartoons pissed off muslims, and saying that the victim is responsible for being raped no doubt pissed off a lot of rape victims, and their friends and families, as well as other people who disagree.

Respect for this guy? I've got more respect for your average crack whore. Lots more respect. He should be in the middle of an AIDS patient circle jerk.

Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly = Fred Phelps. :eek:

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

I have no respect for someone who thinks rape victims were "asking for it."

Trying to blame the victim for rape voids any respect he should have because he's an Imam. Which is pretty much none.

You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.

It's pretty much the same. The mohammed cartoons pissed off muslims, and saying that the victim is responsible for being raped no doubt pissed off a lot of rape victims, and their friends and families, as well as other people who disagree.

no, what the cartoon did was attack something sacred(no dipictions of the prophet[pbuh] ) to billions. All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly = Fred Phelps. :eek:

there are crazies on all sides when it comes to religion.

I have no respect for someone who thinks rape victims were "asking for it."

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

there are crazies on all sides when it comes to religion.

But don't tell that to people today; everyone wants to think only the 3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/|z are crazy.

:D

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

I believe in something called "personal responsibility." People should be able to wear what they please, and would-be rapists should control themselves. It has nothing to do with how a person dresses.

All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

As did the people who drew the cartoons, they have just as much a right to be offensive as this Imam does.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

Why? Women get raped in the Islamic world all the time. The only difference is that in the Islamic world they often punish the victim. There's no imperical evidence that the incidence of rape is less for those women who wear a hajib. My gut tells me the opposite is probably true.

Respect for this guy? I've got more respect for your average crack whore. Lots more respect. He should be in the middle of an AIDS patient circle jerk.
That wouldn't work, the AIDS patients might catch funditis!
You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.


no, what the cartoon did was attack something sacred(no dipictions of the prophet[pbuh] ) to billions. All the Imam did was voice his opinion.
That depends on what he has to say. And I'd consider attacking rape victims more serious that attacking Islam.
You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."
I think you'll find that I can and do disagree with that alleged fact.

I believe in something called "personal responsibility." People should be able to wear what they please, and would-be rapists should control themselves. It has nothing to do with how a person dresses.

You don't understand. What this Imam is saying, and correctly so, is that Muslims can't be expected to exercise good judgement or self control. They're animals, like the cats the Imam used as an example. They can't be blamed for being uncivilized menaces to humanity. The only humane way to handle such situations is to cull the wild population. Seriously, over one billion dangerous wild animals allowed to run loose? Also those kept in cities should be spayed or neutered.

You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.

Up to a point you are right.

However to say that someone deserves to be raped for the way they dress automatically looses any respect I might have had for them.

You don't understand. What this Imam is saying, and correctly so, is that Muslims can't be expected to exercise good judgement or self control. They're animals, like the cats the Imam used as an example. They can't be blamed for being uncivilized menaces to humanity. The only humane way to handle such situations is to cull the wild population. Seriously, over one billion dangerous wild animals allowed to run loose? Also those kept in cities should be spayed or neutered.

Quick, DC is turning into Kimchi!

You don't understand. What this Imam is saying, and correctly so, is that Muslims can't be expected to exercise good judgement or self control. They're animals, like the cats the Imam used as an example. They can't be blamed for being uncivilized menaces to humanity. The only humane way to handle such situations is to cull the wild population. Seriously, over one billion dangerous wild animals allowed to run loose? Also those kept in cities should be spayed or neutered.

I like your style. Actually, I was going to use that argument but since we're dealing with an irrational individual here, whats the fucking point.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

Bullshit. Sorry but that is just wrong. You are basically putting the onus of responsibility on the dressee.

Surely in a civilized society the onus is on those around the dressee...if you don't like it...you can say so...but it does not give anyone the right to rape someone. In anyway shape or form.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

Actually, I can and do disagree with that. I've seen no studies suggesting that women wearing miniskirts are any more likely to be raped than women wearing jeans. Care to provide any actual evidence?

To use his own logic - If someone opens his mouth and makes ignorant and inflammatory comments, he deserves what he gets.

I said things that most people think are wrong
and its the media's fault for telling everybody I said those things and making me look bad.

Actually, I can and do disagree with that. I've seen no studies suggesting that women wearing miniskirts are any more likely to be raped than women wearing jeans. Care to provide any actual evidence?

Indeed. Most women who are raped are raped by someone they know closely, and it doesn't really matter what they are wearing.

When habitual rapists who did go looking for anonymous victims were interviewed, they actually said that they tended to look for women wearing something loose-fitting, like overalls, that could be easily and quickly cut off of them. They didn't look for women wearing mini-skirts or tank tops. They looked for women wearing "frumpy" clothing because it was easier to remove.

I'm surprised no Aussie drivers have turned him into a speedbump yet.

You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.

That's true, if what he has to say doesn't, in and of itself, make him a worthless human being. In this case, his viewpoints make him a worthless human being. I have no more respect for him than I do for Fred Phelps or for a leader of the KKK.

no, what the cartoon did was attack something sacred(no dipictions of the prophet[pbuh] ) to billions. All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

So? The Iman dehumanized both men and women, suggesting that men are no better than animals and they cannot control themselves and women are no more than pieces of meat to tempt the men. Somehow, I think dehumanizing human beings is worse than poking fun at something someone feels is sacred.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

No, you can't. Actually, in cultures where it is normal for women to walk around topless, men are generally not aroused by toplessness. Interesting, eh?

If a man can't look at a woman without wanting to rape her, he is not worthy of being seen as a human being. He should be locked in a cage like any animal. And that is exactly what this iman is saying of all men.

While it IS true that the victim to precipitate a crime-IE facilitate it, the victim can set up the situation for the crime to happen. Case in point? Man leaves him home's front door open in the wee hours of the morning. His home is subsequently burglarized. It's not his fault, clearly. But he shouldn't have left his door open. The burglar is the one punished because he chose to burglarize the home.


I imagine the Australians are getting quite a laugh out of this guy. He's hilarious. Throw some bacon at him for his stupidity.

Indeed. Most women who are raped are raped by someone they know closely, and it doesn't really matter what they are wearing.

When habitual rapists who did go looking for anonymous victims were interviewed, they actually said that they tended to look for women wearing something loose-fitting, like overalls, that could be easily and quickly cut off of them. They didn't look for women wearing mini-skirts or tank tops. They looked for women wearing "frumpy" clothing because it was easier to remove.

Rapes are more common in the summer and spring than in fall and wintertime.

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

Gee, I can't think why.

This is just a guess, but it's probably the same reason we have little respect for you.

That's true, if what he has to say doesn't, in and of itself, make him a worthless human being. In this case, his viewpoints make him a worthless human being. I have no more respect for him than I do for Fred Phelps or for a leader of the KKK.



So? The Iman dehumanized both men and women, suggesting that men are no better than animals and they cannot control themselves and women are no more than pieces of meat to tempt the men. Somehow, I think dehumanizing human beings is worse than poking fun at something someone feels is sacred.

No, you can't. Actually, in cultures where it is normal for women to walk around topless, men are generally not aroused by toplessness. Interesting, eh?

If a man can't look at a woman without wanting to rape her, he is not worthy of being seen as a human being. He should be locked in a cage like any animal. And that is exactly what this iman is saying of all men.

I approve.

I posted a topic on The Muslim rape epidemic in norway. It got canned after 40 pages. I'm suprised it made it that long.

You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.
Do you mean respect for the man, or for his position?


no, what the cartoon did was attack something sacred(no dipictions of the prophet[pbuh] ) to billions. All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

I find this interesting. You defend this Imam because he merely voiced an opinion (which, he did, in fairness) yet when the Pope voiced his opinion (which wasn't nearly as inflammatory) there were cries of bloody Jihad all over the world.


We get scared about those Islamic jihads. I think we do assume that everyone who is into the Islamic religion is having a jihad every other bloody day. There's a lot of very relaxed Islamic people, and we got to understand - remember, this is very important - and we do assume that jihads are just like, you know, everyday three jihads are issued by every individual. It just seems they're everywhere . "The fruit shop shortchanged me! A fucking jihad on them!" Bump into someone, say,


"Hey! A fucking jihad on you!"

"How many jihads have you got going now, Dad?"

"Well, 24. God, it's difficult to keep up with them!"

Gee, I can't think why.

This is just a guess, but it's probably the same reason we have little respect for you.

Isn't he the muslim guy?

There's NOTHING wrong with that. I hope you aren't basing your lack of respect for him on that.

If he's some sort of jihaddi apologist I can see.

Rapes are more common in the summer and spring than in fall and wintertime.

Perhaps, and the point still stands if it is true. There is much more clothing to get through in the winter time. Not only do you have the normal clothing, but then there is most likely a coat or jacket, etc.

Perhaps, and the point still stands if it is true. There is much more clothing to get through in the winter time. Not only do you have the normal clothing, but then there is most likely a coat or jacket, etc.


True.

There was a rapist in the Houston area preying on.......






Young men. Scary, huh? They were all under 21 if I am correct...Too young to get a CCW/handgun but attractive enough in his eyes.

that was different, its apples and oranges.

yet still in the category of fruit :headbang:

Indeed. Most women who are raped are raped by someone they know closely, and it doesn't really matter what they are wearing.

Sadly, the same people who think that women only get raped when they're showing off their boobies usually also believe that rapists are always strange men lurking in dark alleys, and never friends/boyfriends/husbands/family members/neighbors/et cetera.


When habitual rapists who did go looking for anonymous victims were interviewed, they actually said that they tended to look for women wearing something loose-fitting, like overalls, that could be easily and quickly cut off of them. They didn't look for women wearing mini-skirts or tank tops. They looked for women wearing "frumpy" clothing because it was easier to remove.

Yup, I've heard that. I also once attended a talk by a sociologist studying rape, who talked about a series of conversations she had with one serial rapist. She asked him at one point if he were to see a pair of identical twins, one wearing "sexy" clothes and one wearing "frumpy" clothes, which he would be more likely to select as a victim. He said he would definitely choose the latter, because, in his words, "chicks with low self-esteem don't fight as hard."

The guy is a nutcase. First the meat speech, for which he was moved aside by the officials of the Muslim community.

But they didn't actually fire him from his job, they thought he'd be smart enough to make amends.

Doesn't look like he is, so I don't seem him still being an Imam in a few weeks time.

The guy is a nutcase. First the meat speech, for which he was moved aside by the officials of the Muslim community.

But they didn't actually fire him from his job, they thought he'd be smart enough to make amends.

Doesn't look like he is, so I don't seem him still being an Imam in a few weeks time.

they too dum to think that he needs to go,but lets hope they do now

You can disagree with what he has to say and still have respect for him.

No Sovietstan, it doesn't work like that. I can still respect someone if I disagree with their view that, say, vanilla is the best flavour of icecream. I CANNOT respect someone who dehumanises both women and men, the former for suggesting they ask to be raped and the latter for suggesting they are no better than animals in controlling their impulses.


no, what the cartoon did was attack something sacred(no dipictions of the prophet[pbuh] ) to billions. All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

And the Imam's opinion dehumanised humanity and sugested that both men and women have no right to personal dignity. Just as much of a crime as attacking something that over 5/6ths of the world doesn't believe in, wouldn't you say?

"As a Muslim Australian, I can just apologise for the remarks," the sheik's spokesman Keysar Trad told 7News.
I feel bad for this poor bastard. Could imagine a boss that you have make public apologies for to entire nations on behalf of an entire religion and region of the world? Damn that.

Oh, and for the record for the on going discussion...no true Muslim would ever say a woman deserved to be raped...ever. Not even a whore.
Anyone claiming to be a Muslim who defends the actions of a man who defiles a woman is really just fooling themselves--they arent really Muslims.

Islam up lifts women...this is a manifestation of his cultural short comings that he has twisted with Islam.

I find this interesting. You defend this Imam because he merely voiced an opinion (which, he did, in fairness) yet when the Pope voiced his opinion (which wasn't nearly as inflammatory) there were cries of bloody Jihad all over the world.

To point out the absurdity:
Pope: I diagree with this ancient emperor of Byzantine when he said Islam is evil, and I will now quote him.

The imam:Men are totally incapable of controlling their impulses, and so therefore women deserve to be raped.

The mideast still doesn't like the Pope that much.
So by that standard, the west ought to have the right to execute this guy.

Isn't he the muslim guy?

There's NOTHING wrong with that. I hope you aren't basing your lack of respect for him on that.

If he's some sort of jihaddi apologist I can see.

He's not a jihaddi apologist. He's an ass that goes on about how woman need to be humble. Not to mention he's against gay marriage, abortion, and damn near everything else under the sun because "Allah says so"

I feel bad for this poor bastard. Could imagine a boss that you have make public apologies for to entire nations on behalf of an entire religion and region of the world? Damn that.

I wouldn't want his job.

He's not a jihaddi apologist. He's an ass that goes on about how woman need to be humble. Not to mention he's against gay marriage, abortion, and damn near everything else under the sun because "Allah says so"

Well he sounds like a Muslim version of me. I'm Christian, and I don't beleive in most of those things. I am sort of confused about the "Humbleness of women" thing.

Except God tells me not to. Not allah.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

As they should?
And who is the arbiter of what an adult who does NOT share your views should and should not wear?

You have no problem telling others they need to respect Muslim views -- why can't Muslims respect non-Muslim views?

You have no problem telling others they need to respect Muslim views -- why can't Muslims respect non-Muslim views?

I have a sneaking suspicion the answer is going to be "Because Allah said so..."

Well he sounds like a Muslim version of me. I'm Christian, and I don't beleive in most of those things. I am sort of confused about the "Humbleness of women" thing.

Except God tells me not to. Not allah.

Basically, he thinks woman should sit down and shut up. Of course, they shouldn't sit down before the men.

But seriously, the difference between you and him is the fact that he mentions Allah in damn near every post, and is not...shy about his views. Not shy in a up in your face kinda way.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.

Wouldn't this give credence to his "They're out to get us" conspiracy talk?

All the Imam did was voice his opinion.

Did you, before your conversion, respect Fred Phelps? No? Because his opinions were loathsome and not worth the air it took to voice them?

Pretty much the same with this Imam. His opinions are just as loathsome and he has done nothing to negate that.

Respect should never be given with position. It's earned. If you do, you're nothing more than a mindless bot incapable of critical thinking.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

Let's say that some redneck beats up a muslim walking on the street.

Are you gonna say "You can't disagree with the fact that when muslims avoid walking in the streets, it greatly reduces temptation. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it"." ?

maybe they should be. ;)
Had he been a WASP saying that about [insert race/religion/sexual orientation etc...] he probably would be facing hatecrime charges right now. And these forums would echo with angry, pitchforcks and torches carrying users calling for retribution who now claim that having different opinions doesn't justify killing him.

If this guy's married, and his wife gets raped, I will be required to laugh my ass off.

Basically, he thinks woman should sit down and shut up. Of course, they shouldn't sit down before the men.

But seriously, the difference between you and him is the fact that he mentions Allah in damn near every post, and is not...shy about his views. Not shy in a up in your face kinda way.

I'm quite the opposite. I like my date/gf to be a talker. Not in a bold, aggressive demanding way though. I do my best to always seat a lady, hold the door, and sit AFTER she has sat down.

You have to understand muslim culture...it's much different than Western.

I have more respect for Fred Phelps than this guy, simply because Fred Phelps manages to keep a much smaller following.

You have to understand muslim culture...it's much different than Western.
Well geez. Theres a bombshell. Do you understand muslim culture dhimmi?

who said that women who dress "immodestly" are like meat in the open and why blame the cat for eating it (as in why blame the man for raping her). He subsequently claimed that he was taken out of context...but recently he has made another speech...where he says it was not so....and goes on to make more absurd claims..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070111/23/1219e.html

LOL. Psycho Imam yelling racism. Do racism charges have any value these days?

LOL. Psycho Imam yelling racism. Do racism charges have any value these days?

Not really.

Opposing islam always = racism.

Opposing islam always = racism.

Oh come on, that's bullshit. Opposing ANY religion is automatically discrimination. Everyone knows that.

You should really have a little respect for Imams.

I don't see why anyone should have any respect for this arsehole.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

No, but it's implying they were at fault in some way for being raped.

I'm not a woman (which may come as a complete surprise to many ;) ), but I am a victim of attempted rape (I was able to fight the guy off). This is what I looked like pre-attempt.
http://h1.ripway.com/Dazcha/Phto0011.jpg

So tell me Sovietstan, where did I go wrong in my dress? Should I start completely covering my face like you and your fellow chauvinists seem to think women should do to prevent the horrors of rape?

People who have never been through what I (and those who weren't so lucky) have don't know the horrors of rape. Thinking about someone forcing themselves upon you without consent is very, very different from experiencing it. The loss of power, the months of self-loathing, days of reliving it, feeling betrayed, and self-blame. And this is what I went through without actually being raped.

I will NEVER respect anyone who dares to say that I or any other victim was at fault. Fortunately, most Muslims aren't blind sheep like you and condemned this man when he compared rape victims to pieces of meat. It's a shame that you don't have a shred of compassion or rationality in you and would instead blindly support this sick, twisted man and his equally twisted "logic".

Rapes are more common in the summer and spring than in fall and wintertime.

Most things that involve getting partly undressed are.

It has nothing to do with what the victims are wearing.

You can't disagree with the fact that when women dress as they should, it greatly reduces temptation though. Thats not the same as saying they were "asking for it."

This is obviously not true. Not only because it relies on as subjective a concept as 'when women dress as they should', but also because - by your 'logic', nudist colonies should be constant hives of rape activity.

Rape is a crime based entirely on the aggressor. The victim is (unfortunately) purely incidental to the act.

If people don't like what he has to say, just don't listen to him. Australia does have freedom of speech, no?

I wonder... does it also have clauses in those laws about incitement of criminal acts?

I wonder... does it also have clauses in those laws about incitement of criminal acts?
And how!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law

And how!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law

Ugh. I'm just waiting till they start coming for the lefties.

I was talking to a friend about his 'rape' comments (as they has received massive coverage here in Australia) who heard his entire speech. Apparently he began with points on adultery, then made his infamous quote, and then changed tact and moved onto rape. Apparently it was difficult to tell whether his comments specifically related to adultery or rape. The media of course jumped onto the latter.

Don't get me wrong, this guy's words are indefensible. He blames whatever trouble he comes upon on mistranslations and the Western media, and expresses views out of line with what we (ie the Western world) have come to accept as common sense. His analogy of comparing women to uncovered meat and men to cats was particularly tasteless. I do think, however, that it is important to not be convinced into an opinion by the media and to decide one's own opinion for oneself (speaking generally here).

As for these new comments, I think that he needed to shake the last few drops of rage out. Hopefully, he has now relieved himself. :p

Ugh. I'm just waiting till they start coming for the lefties.

Don't worry, I've already told them where you live & which uni you attend. Expect a knock on your door any day now. ;)

who said that women who dress "immodestly" are like meat in the open and why blame the cat for eating it (as in why blame the man for raping her). He subsequently claimed that he was taken out of context...but recently he has made another speech...where he says it was not so....and goes on to make more absurd claims..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070111/23/1219e.html

Holy Christ... :rolleyes:

Someone should tell this guy to fuck off and go play with his Mohammed doll, instead of trying to be intelligent. He's not exactly doing a great job of it.

Holy Christ... :rolleyes:

Someone should tell this guy to fuck off and go play with his Mohammed doll, instead of trying to be intelligent. He's not exactly doing a great job of it.

Hey! Depictions of the Prophet Mohommad! BAD JOHNNY! BAD JOHNNY!

:p

Hey! Depictions of the Prophet Mohommad! BAD JOHNNY! BAD JOHNNY!

:p

Roflcopter.

Google images of "Mohammed" and "LEGO".

Google images of "Mohammed" and "LEGO".

Nice. Very nice.

Has anyone considered that as well as being horrible for women this is pretty insulting for men. Sugesting that men have so little self controll that they'll rape the next 'immodistly dressed' woman they see?

Has anyone considered that as well as being horrible for women this is pretty insulting for men. Sugesting that men have so little self controll that they'll rape the next 'immodistly dressed' woman they see?

Oh yes thats been covered, many times.

I think we can all come to consensus then, that this man is indeed a fucktard?

Oh my god, there are people here that are no different from that man. I guess we humans are secretly violent in nature. Good thing we got the rule of law here. It is true though, Australia's past was not a perfect one, but I'm sure the Australians want to move on and better themselves. The sheikh pulls the “pope stunt” on the Australians; he says a damaging comment and then hardly apologizes for it.

Holy Christ... :rolleyes:

Someone should tell this guy to fuck off and go play with his Mohammed doll, instead of trying to be intelligent. He's not exactly doing a great job of it.

ooh good comeback. Equivalent to, "well, yo momma" :p

Roflcopter.

Thanks, I'm here 'till Thursday.

Or, as they say in Turkmenistan,

"I'm here 'till Sogapgün, all hail Turkmenbashi, and we shall not wear fur underwear for fear of temptation!"

ooh good comeback. Equivalent to, "well, yo momma" :p

Don't go there, girlfriend.

Don't go there, girlfriend.

Talk to the hand bitch.

Talk to the hand bitch.

Oh no you did'ant!

Oh no you did'ant!

Oh yeah bitch? Well why don't you shut up you stupid cocksucker!
(Couldn't think of any more psuedo-ghettospeak.
(Am I the only one who wonders why cocksucker is an insult?)

Oh yeah bitch? Well why don't you shut up you stupid cocksucker!
(Couldn't think of any more psuedo-ghettospeak.

Same. All I had left was that "mm hmm" finger-click thing, which, clearly, is hard to express over the internet.

(Am I the only one who wonders why cocksucker is an insult?)

Probably. Implies homosexuality. Just like calling somebody a fag I guess.

Probably. Implies homosexuality. Just like calling somebody a fag I guess.

I've decided from now on whenever someone calls me gay, I'm just going to say "Better guys than dogs."


I imagine this will derail their train of thought.

The answer is not to kill him or even deport him. Protest loudly outside his mosque. harass (within the confines of the law) him and his supporters. Humiliate him in the press. Show him and his followers that those ideas are ridiculed and become a liability to those who hold them in a civilized society.


And if you're inclined to be less civilized, kick his ass everytime he goes out in public.

Put footballs (American Footballs) in his mailbox. He won't be able to pick up his mail.

Sure. Why not? I heartily endorse the new Australian policy of holding this scumbag down and farting on his face.
QFTW.

He should be treated like the average neo-Nazi.

Do everything he does, but do it louder, stronger, longer & with many, many more voices. Don't rely on authoritarian intervention, make a community efford. Protest every day infront of his house, his places of worship & his job (if he isn't just a professional idiot - most of the fundy Abrahamites seem to be).

Take away his platform by building a stronger, opposed one. Don't force him out unless he uses violence first, instead make him desire not to be anywhere near aussieland.

Simple as it is, it always works.

When the community fails to act, violence takes over. Next time someone's gangraped by Muslim kids, the preacherman might get gangraped or killed in turn. Violence isn't the last refuge of the incompetent, it's the last resort of the otherwise incompetent, so don't render the people in your community incompetent by your inaction.

eh...No

He's a jackass and a moron, but neither of those are crimes.If these were crimes it'd sure clear out a lot of space in our Southern states.

And if I were a man I'd really find the imans words offensive. As though men are animals with no self control. And that's without even trying to explain to him that rape's not really about sexual desire.

If these were crimes it'd sure clear out a lot of space in our Southern states.

And if I were a man I'd really find the imans words offensive. As though men are animals with no self control. And that's without even trying to explain to him that rape's not really about sexual desire.

The imam's definitely a retarded jackass, and just so everyone knows, that is NOT the general opinion of your average Egyptian. As for the clearing out of space in the south if those were crimes, AMEN TO THAT.

Hehe, he went on that show again, waving an Australian flag. :D

And like I said, he's in trouble with the community. He might be unemployed soon.

http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/region.php?id=134059&region=7
http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/region.php?id=134075&region=7

Hehe, he went on that show again, waving an Australian flag. :D

And like I said, he's in trouble with the community. He might be unemployed soon.

http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/region.php?id=134059&region=7
http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/region.php?id=134075&region=7

I saw that. Very cheesy bit of flag waving it was too. :rolleyes: