Now this would be a cool nation
TechnocraticSocialists
12-01-2007, 15:34
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-to-buy-sealand/
i reallly hope they get the cash..... it would be very cool...
What happened to those william gibson cyberpunk wannabes that bought it a few years ago?
Vegan Nuts
12-01-2007, 15:52
The population of the facility rarely exceeds ten, and its area is 5920 sq. ft.
haha, it seems a bit cramped for my taste...
Since Sealand is technically within the UK's territorial waters, i'm not sure they'd be able to get away with running pirate servers.
A remote island somewhere is a much better prospect.
Compulsive Depression
12-01-2007, 15:55
Since Sealand is technically within the UK's territorial waters, i'm not sure they'd be able to get away with running pirate servers.
A remote island somewhere is a much better prospect.
IIRC they tried to pull that trick to claim Sealand. Sealand reciprocated and claimed much of Essex. Eventually they gave up...
Since Sealand is technically within the UK's territorial waters, i'm not sure they'd be able to get away with running pirate servers.
A remote island somewhere is a much better prospect.
It doesn't matter where it's located, it's still a sovereign nation. Andorra is technically located within the borders of France and/or Spain depending on how you look at a map but it'st still a soveriegn nation. The Vatican is part of ROME, and is still a sovereign nation.
It doesn't matter where it's located, it's still a sovereign nation. Andorra is technically located within the borders of France and/or Spain depending on how you look at a map but it'st still a soveriegn nation. The Vatican is part of ROME, and is still a sovereign nation.
Those countries both have diplomatic recognition.
Sealand does not. If whomever is running Sealand begins conducting activities illegal in the UK, look for some sort of retribution. The reason they've lasted so long is because their existence is benign.
Those countries both have diplomatic recognition.
Sealand does not. If whomever is running Sealand begins conducting activities illegal in the UK, look for some sort of retribution. The reason they've lasted so long is because their existence is benign.
Well, I don't know how likely it is they'll succed at any attempts to shut down Pirate Bay. The Pirate Bay is one of the most obvious bittorrent sites in the world and it STILL couldn't get shut down by Swedish officials. I think that says something, though whether it's about incompetance of Swedish authorities or the brilliance of the Pirate Bay in hiding their servers, I don't know.
I V Stalin
12-01-2007, 16:05
IIRC they tried to pull that trick to claim Sealand. Sealand reciprocated and claimed much of Essex. Eventually they gave up...
Don't know why they'd actually want Essex...
Call to power
12-01-2007, 16:06
if by cool you meant freezing winds and a cloudy sky then yes it is a cool place (plus I dread to think of the heating!)
Well, I don't know how likely it is they'll succed at any attempts to shut down Pirate Bay. The Pirate Bay is one of the most obvious bittorrent sites in the world and it STILL couldn't get shut down by Swedish officials. I think that says something, though whether it's about incompetance of Swedish authorities or the brilliance of the Pirate Bay in hiding their servers, I don't know.
Pirate Bay would probably just move elsewhere. I wouldn't expect Sealand to survive, though.
Don't know why they'd actually want Essex...
Have you looked at Sealand lately? Considering the...dirth...of territory, I'd take anything. Hell, I'd take Billyjoebob Alabama, let alone Essex.
Kanabia: Oh, I think it would, if only to continue to amuse those of us who like the idea of people buying countries at random.
Don't know why they'd actually want Essex...
Because essex girls are easy????
I V Stalin
12-01-2007, 16:17
Have you looked at Sealand lately? Considering the...dirth...of territory, I'd take anything. Hell, I'd take Billyjoebob Alabama, let alone Essex.
True, but...well...Essex? Speaking as someone from there, I'd rather claim ownership of a 50-year-dead rat.
Because essex girls are easy????
Ah, that old chestnut.
Slartiblartfast
12-01-2007, 16:21
Most people in Essex think that Sealand is something with dolphins run by Disney:D
True, but...well...Essex? Speaking as someone from there, I'd rather claim ownership of a 50-year-dead rat.
Well, it's still land. Note that they are claiming the land of Essex, not the people, which I think is what you're really complaining about.
Not that I know anything about Essex, of course. I could be sadly mistaken.
Greater Valia
12-01-2007, 16:32
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-to-buy-sealand/
i reallly hope they get the cash..... it would be very cool...
A step in the right direction. I will contain my excitement though until they get a space station and declare that a sovereign nation.
I V Stalin
12-01-2007, 16:43
Well, it's still land. Note that they are claiming the land of Essex, not the people, which I think is what you're really complaining about.
No, I'm complaining about the county. It has zero natural resources (except for fish, crustacea, molluscs, etc, which I don't imagine Sealand is short of) and nothing of any interest (unless you count the M25). The people are no worse and no better than anyone else in the UK.
No, I'm complaining about the county. It has zero natural resources (except for fish, crustacea, molluscs, etc, which I don't imagine Sealand is short of) and nothing of any interest (unless you count the M25). The people are no worse and no better than anyone else in the UK.
Oh.
Well...that shut me up. Learn to stop claiming to know stuff about other countries, Matt. :(
The Mindset
12-01-2007, 17:46
Those countries both have diplomatic recognition.
Sealand does not. If whomever is running Sealand begins conducting activities illegal in the UK, look for some sort of retribution. The reason they've lasted so long is because their existence is benign.
Sealand is de facto recognised by the German authorities. It's also used as a tax shelter and as offshore hosting for materials questionable under UK law. As such, it's hardly beneign, and the UK hasn't done shit about it because it's not legally UK territory.
Well, I don't know how likely it is they'll succed at any attempts to shut down Pirate Bay. The Pirate Bay is one of the most obvious bittorrent sites in the world and it STILL couldn't get shut down by Swedish officials. I think that says something, though whether it's about incompetance of Swedish authorities or the brilliance of the Pirate Bay in hiding their servers, I don't know.
The Swedes got their servers. IIRC, they were able to flee the country and set up shop in the Netherlands.
Sealand is de facto recognised by the German authorities. It's also used as a tax shelter and as offshore hosting for materials questionable under UK law. As such, it's hardly beneign, and the UK hasn't done shit about it because it's not legally UK territory.
Wasn't there a court case in the UK regarding Sealand's soveriegnty?
The Swedes got their servers. IIRC, they were able to flee the country and set up shop in the Netherlands.
Oh is that what happened? I was under the impression they managed to keep them from being found. Meh.
Doesn't matter to me anyway. I use Demonoid.
The Mindset
12-01-2007, 18:21
Wasn't there a court case in the UK regarding Sealand's soveriegnty?
Yeah. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1905641,00.html
Daistallia 2104
12-01-2007, 20:12
It's technically not actually for sale but transfer.
What happened to those william gibson cyberpunk wannabes that bought it a few years ago?
You're thinking of Haven Co. They didn't buy the place. They opened business there.
Those countries both have diplomatic recognition.
Sealand does not. If whomever is running Sealand begins conducting activities illegal in the UK, look for some sort of retribution. The reason they've lasted so long is because their existence is benign.
They're in a bit of an ambiguous situation. But the government of the UK hasn't taken action against them for previous dodgyness...
Accreditation by the German Reich Commissary General Ministry
German Reich
Commissary General Ministry
Re: Your accreditation
Dear Mr. Minister Sauerbrey,
We are pleased that the Principality of Sealand has appointed you Head of the Diplomatic Mission in the German Reich.
We have no reservations against your appointment and accredit you with this letter.
Please send us your diplomatic passport so we can apply a diplomatic visa.
With best regards
German Reich
Commissary General Ministry
Signed: Samter
Chief of Office of the General Ministry (Chancellery of the Reich)
http://principality-of-sealand.eu/chronologie/dokusdiplvertr/etransakkred.html
Bit of a tricky one, eh?
A step in the right direction. I will contain my excitement though until they get a space station and declare that a sovereign nation.
Even a space platform of some sort would have legal issues over sovereignty.
Sealand is de facto recognised by the German authorities. It's also used as a tax shelter and as offshore hosting for materials questionable under UK law. As such, it's hardly beneign, and the UK hasn't done shit about it because it's not legally UK territory.
In re Duchy of Sealand, Federal Republic of Germany, Administrative Court of Cologne, 3 May 1978, said they weren't a soverign state.
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/80ILR683.htm
Wasn't there a court case in the UK regarding Sealand's soveriegnty?
Several, and not just in the UK.
Gauthier
12-01-2007, 21:07
An isolated locale just off the coasts of a major nation.
Doesn't that fit the profile of "Places Where Icky Secret Experiments Waiting To Go Horribly Wrong Get Conducted"?
:D