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Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.

Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.

yup. thats it in one little nutshell of a rant

buying digital music means that its only yours for a relatively short length of time. is it any wonder that even prosperous adults steal music?

They are trying to protect their stuff by building all these walls, but then the common law abiding folk get frustrated dealing with all the tolls and frustrations with moving from place to place (I'm looking at you iTunes) while the people they are trying to keep out are digging under the wall and they don't notice.

Also I hear having your computer pack up when it has large amounts of digitally distributed stuff on it sucks. If I don't have a tangible copy of something it can be taken away more easily. Remember to have a solid copy of everything.

Fuck legal downloads. If I find music worth paying for, I'll go down and buy the CD of it. I tend to buy albums rather than songs anyway, so downloading doesn't help me particularly.

Fuck legal downloads. If I find music worth paying for, I'll go down and buy the CD of it. I tend to buy albums rather than songs anyway, so downloading doesn't help me particularly.

Yeah. If i'm going to pay for it, i'd much rather a physical manifestation of it that won't expire after a year.

Yeah. If i'm going to pay for it, i'd much rather a physical manifestation of it that won't expire after a year.

The music, movie and game industries can't screw you out of your money that way though... so that is the way they go. We have little choice but to follow.

Music is free on the radio.

The music, movie and game industries can't screw you out of your money that way though... so that is the way they go. We have little choice but to follow.

My arse we don't. I exclusively buy albums and i've never paid for a download. As long as there's a market out there, bands and record labels will continue making them.

Music is free on the radio.

Don't be silly, that's not music. ;)

Music is shit on the radio.


Corrected.

Corrected.

But still free. So that adds to my listening pleasure.

Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVUR3Eo1RHM&mode=related&search=

:)

But still free. So that adds to my listening pleasure.same here.. best things in life are free.

My arse we don't. I exclusively buy albums and i've never paid for a download. As long as there's a market out there, bands and record labels will continue making them.

As soon as the time is right, the switch will be made. It doesn't matter whether you care or not.

Corrected.
If you mention the Ataris i'll smash your face in.
*Realises that i mentioned the Ataris*
*Smashes own face*

I love it... the groups in the RIAA make "remixes" of songs that are only months old and try to sell them for money when they are really cheap knockoffs, then complain when we get them for free which is really silly to begin with because a remix isnt really a new song.

ah, and not only that, the feds will slap you with that $250k fine if youre caught downloading illegally, not that too many get caught doing that...

my hairy white ass.

TMI, but yet strangely alluring.

*Spits out teeth*

As soon as the time is right, the switch will be made. It doesn't matter whether you care or not.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

The major record companies do not have complete control over all music.

No matter what happens, there will always be unsigned artists out there selling hard copies of their music at their gigs, there will always be artists out there who view the album as a physical manifestation of their creative efforts and there will always be consumers like myself who like to get a hard copy for their money. Most bands today still release albums on vinyl, and it's been a long time since the CD became standard.

I couldn't give a shit if the major record labels release Beyonce's next album on digital only. There will always be bands out there that want to release albums and technology has gotten to the point where one can do it at home (on a small scale) if they are unsigned. There are record stores the world over with a huge amount of money invested in the future of the album.

If anything dies because of the digital revolution, it will be the CD single (which I don't care for anyway). The concept of the album, however, will stay with us for a good while yet.

Albums>Shit

<snip>

Okay, I'll give you that. But if some people continue to sell hard copies of their music, whether that is significant or not depends on whether they are any good or not doesn't it?

Okay, I'll give you that. But if some people continue to sell hard copies of their music, whether that is significant or not depends on whether they are any good or not doesn't it?

Depends on your definition of a "good" band as well as how/why you listen to music. Assuming the worst case scenario, whereby major labels completely abandon making hard copies of their music - well, most of the music I listen to nowaday isn't part of the mainstream anyway, so I doubt i'll be affected either way. On the other hand, if you listen to certain bands solely because your friends do or your judgement of a good artist is how often they're played on the radio or the rating that Rolling Stone gives them, you might be in the shit.

It does amaze me that they try to prevent piracy by making it harder to buy stuf legitimately. Starforce is my favourite copy protection. Not only does it not work at all, it breaks the DVD drive so you have to use a downloaded copy of the game instead.

It really does piss me off. I would like an ipod, but not itunes, and I cant imagine ever buying online content (except games on steam). I pay for the CD and the album art and liner notes, not the music.

It does amaze me that they try to prevent piracy by making it harder to buy stuf legitimately. Starforce is my favourite copy protection. Not only does it not work at all, it breaks the DVD drive so you have to use a downloaded copy of the game instead.

It does?

The biggest problem I have with it is that it isn't compatible with 64 bit operating systems.

Fuck legal downloads. If I find music worth paying for, I'll go down and buy the CD of it. I tend to buy albums rather than songs anyway, so downloading doesn't help me particularly.

Yeah. If i'm going to pay for it, i'd much rather a physical manifestation of it that won't expire after a year.

Bingo...

...besides, what does iTunes run anyways, 99 cents per song?

Your average CD has 10-15 tracks and costs $10-15

...you do the math.

You mean people actually buy music anymore?

You mean people actually buy music anymore?

Only people without radios.

Only people without radios.

Choosing a song on a radio is too limited... and whenever I try I can't find anything good on.

Choosing a song on a radio is too limited... and whenever I try I can't find anything good on.

Booze my friend. Get drunk enough and anything rocks.

Plus the greatest thing about the radio - which no amount of avid album collecting can ever match - is the month long annual festival of ROCTOBER!!! That's right.

Booze my friend. Get drunk enough and anything rocks.

At that point isn't a radio a waste of electricity?

At that point isn't a radio a waste of electricity?

Nah. You need loud music to enjoy a really good drunk.

There is a simple answer to all of this:
Dont download music, you might (read as: probably wont) get caught
Dont buy music of the internet, its just pointless
Dont buy music from shops, its too expensive and you get wet walking to the shop
This leaves only one proper option, steal music of all of your friends ipods. That way you cant get caught downloading it but you end up with about 10,000 different songs on your comp.

Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.


Welcome aboard. We prefer the term "share" and "copy" btw.

Welcome aboard. We prefer the term "share" and "copy" btw.

yes, "steal" implies someone is losing their copy.

vinyl and cd's

Yeah. If i'm going to pay for it, i'd much rather a physical manifestation of it that won't expire after a year.

emusic.com
You buy the music--it's in an mp3 format--and it costs like 10 bucks a month for 30 downloads. No DRM, no licensing bullshit. You buy it, you own it.

emusic.com
You buy the music--it's in an mp3 format--and it costs like 10 bucks a month for 30 downloads. No DRM, no licensing bullshit. You buy it, you own it.
That solves that one issue, but as I said, i'd much prefer a physical manifestation of the album (issues with MP3 as a lossy format aside). I'm more than happy paying for CDs and vinyl.

That solves that one issue, but as I said, i'd much prefer a physical manifestation of the album (issues with MP3 as a lossy format aside). I'm more than happy paying for CDs and vinyl.

I understand that. I was posting it more as an alternative to the other music download services. The other "problem" with emusic is that they don't do any major label stuff. There's plenty of stuff by big name artists, but no major labels.

Fuck legal downloads. If I find music worth paying for, I'll go down and buy the CD of it. I tend to buy albums rather than songs anyway, so downloading doesn't help me particularly.

Yeah I'm with you. If I want digital music, I go buy a CD(or borrow it from a friend) and put a copy on me PC.

I understand that. I was posting it more as an alternative to the other music download services. The other "problem" with emusic is that they don't do any major label stuff. There's plenty of stuff by big name artists, but no major labels.

You mean minor labels, I assume?

Yeah I'm with you. If I want digital music, I go buy a CD(or borrow it from a friend) and put a copy on me PC.

I believe that even this is illegal (especially if you borrow it).

Bingo...

...besides, what does iTunes run anyways, 99 cents per song?

Your average CD has 10-15 tracks and costs $10-15

...you do the math.
Full CD's on iTunes cost $10. Which is the only cost effective system because then you can burn the songs to an audio cd then rip it back using good (or at least better than iTunes) music playing software.

Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.Use a cable to connect your linein to your lineout on the back of your computer. Download a free sound recording program such as HDOGG (http://www.fridgesoft.de/downloads.php). Then use it to rerecord any legally downloaded music. The newly created copy of the music file will contain no copy protection whatsoever.

This method can also be used to copy music that is provided as part of a flash file or a realplayer .ram file and the like.

If the music cuts out halfway through for some reason keep recording, get the track playing from where the track cut out and then use a free sound editing program to get rid of the interuptions.

You mean minor labels, I assume?

I mean that emusic's library is exclusively minor label stuff, which is fine with me since I tend to listen to jazz and obscure indy bands anyway. You'll never see Justin Timberlake on emusic, but you will find plenty of Dizzy Gillespie.

Full CD's on iTunes cost $10. Which is the only cost effective system because then you can burn the songs to an audio cd then rip it back using good (or at least better than iTunes) music playing software.

1. I doubt iTunes has music I want anyways, or if they do, they wouldn't carry full CDs.

2. About the same cost per CD as my local music store, only my local music store KNOWS me and cuts me sweet deals.

...I'll stick with my caveman ways, thanks. Sounds like MUCH less of a hassle! :D

That solves that one issue, but as I said, i'd much prefer a physical manifestation of the album (issues with MP3 as a lossy format aside). I'm more than happy paying for CDs and vinyl.

Even 16bit 44k1Hz CD is lossy. There is a difference between 320kbit MP3 and CD, but it's only really noticeable if you listen side-by-side (to me, anyway).
I prefer a CD, but if I just want one random track I've heard then a CD is too much money/time/effort.

The problem with emusic is I don't download nearly that much. It'd work out about $5-$10 per track. I really like allofmp3, which is illegal in many places of course, but I'd rather give my money to criminals who aren't arseholes than arseholes who aren't criminals...

And, as for the "normal" digital music shops, even if they charged a sensible amount (79p per track? Fuck off.), even if they didn't DRM the music (which is basically saying "you can only listen until your next reinstall", which'll be two years absolute tops), they give you 128kbps WMAs. What in the seven hells use is that for anyone? Bugger off. Really :rolleyes:

I mean that emusic's library is exclusively minor label stuff, which is fine with me since I tend to listen to jazz and obscure indy bands anyway. You'll never see Justin Timberlake on emusic, but you will find plenty of Dizzy Gillespie.

Oh, I see. I was puzzled for a moment as to what "big name" independent acts there were. Is there a catch with the "free trial", or do I really get those 25 songs for free?

And, as for the "normal" digital music shops, even if they charged a sensible amount (79p per track? Fuck off.), even if they didn't DRM the music (which is basically saying "you can only listen until your next reinstall", which'll be two years absolute tops), they give you 128kbps WMAs. What in the seven hells use is that for anyone? Bugger off. Really :rolleyes:

That kind of loss doesn't really matter to your average non-audiophile. Like me.

Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.

my gf has similar problem... most of her music collection was downloaded from (paid-for) napster. however the program has decided to fuck up somehow and doesn't want to be fixed, meaning she's stuck with a fraction of her music as all the stuff she actually paid for won't play any more.

that's pretty shitty if you ask me (and the exact reason i either still buy CDs, so that i have total control over what happens to my digital music, or download occasionally)

Even 16bit 44k1Hz CD is lossy. There is a difference between 320kbit MP3 and CD, but it's only really noticeable if you listen side-by-side (to me, anyway).
I prefer a CD, but if I just want one random track I've heard then a CD is too much money/time/effort.

...they give you 128kbps WMAs. What in the seven hells use is that for anyone? Bugger off. Really :rolleyes:

I realise that, of course. But going by that last statement, aren't most MP3s on download sites somewhat less than 320kbit? I don't use them, so i'm not positive, but I seem to recall seeing a lot of 192kbit MP3 files for sale out there, and I certainly wouldn't pay for them.

Use a cable to connect your linein to your lineout on the back of your computer. (Snip)

A better way is to record the wave channel of your soundcard. That way there's no DAC->ADC. But still, you'll get twice as many compression artifacts (unless you want to keep the data content of a 128kbps WMA as an uncompressed WAV :( ), so it's only to be used as a last resort.

I realise that, of course. But going by that last statement, aren't most MP3s on download sites somewhat less than 320kbit? I don't use them, so i'm not positive, but I seem to recall seeing a lot of 192kbit MP3 files for sale out there, and I certainly wouldn't pay for them.

Allofmp3 lets you choose (any bitrate up to 320kbps, fixed or variable, mp3, ogg or WMA, etc.), and charges you two US-cents per megabyte.
They're really good, and unless I just want to see if a CD's any good before I buy it I get it in 320kbps.

A better way is to record the wave channel of your soundcard. That way there's no DAC->ADC. But still, you'll get twice as many compression artifacts (unless you want to keep the data content of a 128kbps WMA as an uncompressed WAV :( ), so it's only to be used as a last resort.I don't listen to my music very load so I never really hear the artifacts. Doing it your way would also require my knowing how to do it that way...

Even 16bit 44k1Hz CD is lossy. There is a difference between 320kbit MP3 and CD, but it's only really noticeable if you listen side-by-side (to me, anyway).


if i understand right, a lot of the noticable difference depends on the quality of your audio equipment. higher quality (A grade) hi-fi's and amplifiers will get the full range of audio bandwidth out of a CD, and comparing that to a mid-range encoding mp3 or wma will show up the discrepencies easily.

lower quality audio equipment, like the sort of thing most people have, will mean the difference and loss of bandwidth/quality is less noticable if at all.

I don't listen to my music very load so I never really hear the artifacts. Doing it your way would also require my knowing how to do it that way...

If you've got a Creative soundcard, use the recording volume control to set "Wave" as the selected recording source (instead of line in or "What U Hear"), and carry on as normal. I imagine other sound chips are similar.

Allofmp3 lets you choose (any bitrate up to 320kbps, fixed or variable, mp3, ogg or WMA, etc.), and charges you two US-cents per megabyte.
They're really good, and unless I just want to see if a CD's any good before I buy it I get it in 320kbps.

They're also illegal in most places and unlicensed by the record companies, unfortunately. If i'm going to download MP3s illegally to check out bands, there are plenty of free alternatives.

Doing it your way would also require my knowing how to do it that way...

Download Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/). You can change the recording input to a mono or stereo mix in it easily.

Oh, I see. I was puzzled for a moment as to what "big name" independent acts there were. Is there a catch with the "free trial", or do I really get those 25 songs for free?
There wasn't for me, but I signed up like two years ago, so things could have changed in the meantime. But the service is a solid one--there's no long term contract though, so don't worry about that. I just go month to month, though there is a discount if you buy a year at a time.

Is that the point of copy protection? To frustrate you to the point where you steal it?

Music I bought and paid for via legal download about a year ago will no longer play and I can't re-acquire the license. So, I reinstall the program and it tells me to download something to reauthorize the machine. Cute how I have to buy something to do that. Now it refuses to download the music I just bought. It did bill me though.


Fuck 'em. I'll steal it, the RIAA can kiss my hairy white ass. If they're going to make it so damned hard to play it honest, I'll take the easy road and steal.

Why do they get a say in what I do with what I bought and paid for anyway? Fascist bastards.

I am not ashamed to say that I haven't payed for most of my music in over 5 years. When they're trying to sell CDs for $20 or more, and when they're charging revolting prices for a single, that's when I say, "Sorry, you've priced yourself right out of the market."

If I like an artist, I'll buy their stuff because I like them and want them to make money. But these days I know that most of what I spend isn't even going to the artist, it's just going to the very people who are jacking up prices and ripping me off. So I have very little motivation to spend any money at all.

I am not ashamed to say that I haven't payed for most of my music in over 5 years. When they're trying to sell CDs for $20 or more, and when they're charging revolting prices for a single, that's when I say, "Sorry, you've priced yourself right out of the market."

If I like an artist, I'll buy their stuff because I like them and want them to make money. But these days I know that most of what I spend isn't even going to the artist, it's just going to the very people who are jacking up prices and ripping me off. So I have very little motivation to spend any money at all.

I don't know how many artists are selling their stuff right off the website, but if they are, then that may be the way to go. I know buying stuff at concerts goes mostly into the bands' pockets.

I am not ashamed to say that I haven't payed for most of my music in over 5 years. When they're trying to sell CDs for $20 or more, and when they're charging revolting prices for a single, that's when I say, "Sorry, you've priced yourself right out of the market."

If I like an artist, I'll buy their stuff because I like them and want them to make money. But these days I know that most of what I spend isn't even going to the artist, it's just going to the very people who are jacking up prices and ripping me off. So I have very little motivation to spend any money at all.

But not all the middle men in there are evil and horrid people who just want to scam your money out of you, One of my friends has just started up a record company (now with 2 signed artists) and he doesnt think "ooh, lets go jack up prices and scam people!!". He is working just as hard as the artists are to make the music what it is. Why should it just be the people who stood in a studio and sang for a while who get all the money?

So, is there any parallel between this and "well, I can just fuck the women who don't want to get married but who will still have sex, because I don't want the hassle of getting married..."?

So, is there any parallel between this and "well, I can just fuck the women who don't want to get married but who will still have sex, because I don't want the hassle of getting married..."?

:confused:

And what you said: Is that bad?

But not all the middle men in there are evil and horrid people who just want to scam your money out of you, One of my friends has just started up a record company (now with 2 signed artists) and he doesnt think "ooh, lets go jack up prices and scam people!!". He is working just as hard as the artists are to make the music what it is. Why should it just be the people who stood in a studio and sang for a while who get all the money?
One of my very close friends works in the studio (his team recently won a Grammy, as a matter of fact!), so I am quite aware that there are lots of great people working behind the scenes in the industry.

That doesn't change the fact that music companies are choosing to price themselves out of the market because the EXECUTIVES rake in huge paychecks. They ask a price that is unacceptably high for their product. The fact that they then turn around and cry because people won't pay this price only makes me laugh harder. :D

:confused:

And what you said: Is that bad?

No. :)