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Ok, so there's this story going on in the Charlotte Mecklenburg School Systems about a book titled "& Tango makes three"

http://www.amazon.com/Tango-Makes-Three-Peter-Parnell/dp/0689878451/sr=8-1/qid=1168469321/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3223784-7076418?ie=UTF8&s=books

This book is about two male penguins who lives in New York City's Central Park Zoo, and they raise a little penguin chicklet (or whatever you call baby penguins together). Ok, that seems simple enough, male penguins help raise young all the time. Hell in "March of the Penguins" they show the males and females taking turn taking care of the babies while the other one goes and get food. I mean this is just simple biology and this is how penguin raise their young. However Neo-Con and Conservative idiots (mostly those with either a camera or microphone) are trying to turn this into some idiotic crap about how "the GAYZES ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR CHILDREN!" My God, how stupid can you be? I mean honestly, do children at that age even know what it means to be gay. The answer is NO! Hell I didn't learn about gays and lesbians until I was in Middle School and I met a lesbian. My God, are these pundit's so homophobic that any indication of two males doing anything together is considered gay?! Well, I guess they better stop drinking with their buddies after work, because well that's just fruity. Do I think there's a Gay agenda anywhere in our society? Yea I do, however it's not to try to "influence" our kids and turn them gay. No, all gays really want is to be equal to straights, to have the same rights, and to be able to be married couples and the rights and benefits that carries.

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay.
* The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

Shut up before I shoot you with my gayzar.

Conservative male pundits wear panties?!?!? :eek:

And you're surprised at this? If ANYTHING has anything REMOTELY gay in it, the pundits go nuts about it.

I agree, they need a boot to the head.

The LGBTS Army is the leader of the militant gay agenda. Join us!

The LGBTS Army is the leader of the militant gay agenda. Join us!

Can the penguins be the mascot?

Ok, so there's this story going on in the Charlotte Mecklenburg School Systems about a book titled "& Tango makes three"

http://www.amazon.com/Tango-Makes-Three-Peter-Parnell/dp/0689878451/sr=8-1/qid=1168469321/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3223784-7076418?ie=UTF8&s=books

This book is about two male penguins who lives in New York City's Central Park Zoo, and they raise a little penguin chicklet (or whatever you call baby penguins together). Ok, that seems simple enough, male penguins help raise young all the time. Hell in "March of the Penguins" they show the males and females taking turn taking care of the babies while the other one goes and get food. I mean this is just simple biology and this is how penguin raise their young. However Neo-Con and Conservative idiots (mostly those with either a camera or microphone) are trying to turn this into some idiotic crap about how "the GAYZES ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR CHILDREN!" My God, how stupid can you be? I mean honestly, do children at that age even know what it means to be gay. The answer is NO! Hell I didn't learn about gays and lesbians until I was in Middle School and I met a lesbian. My God, are these pundit's so homophobic that any indication of two males doing anything together is considered gay?! Well, I guess they better stop drinking with their buddies after work, because well that's just fruity. Do I think there's a Gay agenda anywhere in our society? Yea I do, however it's not to try to "influence" our kids and turn them gay. No, all gays really want is to be equal to straights, to have the same rights, and to be able to be married couples and the rights and benefits that carries.

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay.
* The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

If these are the same gay penguins I've heard about, one of them ran off with a female.

I agree, they need a boot to the head.

More than that, they need to be trepanned.

Can the penguins be the mascot?

As long as they are willign to sport firearms!

*Fires pink ray from gayzor*

geez are you BLIND?

there is obviously a gay agenda. why else would they put this book into schools and libraries all over the country?

isnt it obvious that the gay elite want gay men to be given penguin eggs to hatch?

thats just unnatural.

There is no gay agenda you idiots!
That's what teh gayz0rs want you to think!




I've said too much...

As long as they are willign to sport firearms!

http://static.flickr.com/31/42040381_98d79e7478.jpg

Penguins with guns! Get it?? :D

geez are you BLIND?

there is obviously a gay agenda. why else would they put this book into schools and libraries all over the country?

isnt it obvious that the gay elite want gay men to be given penguin eggs to hatch?

thats just unnatural.


but adorable!

geez are you BLIND?

there is obviously a gay agenda. why else would they put this book into schools and libraries all over the country?

isnt it obvious that the gay elite want gay men to be given penguin eggs to hatch?

thats just unnatural.

Quality

http://static.flickr.com/31/42040381_98d79e7478.jpg

Penguins with guns! Get it?? :D


Rain firey sulfur down on your enemies with The Nun Gun.

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay. * The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

that's pretty much it.

How dare gay people!
Although i must admit, this is probably going to cause them more problems in the future... How are they now going to use the whole homosexuality is unnatural argument when they're bringing to light homosexuality in nature?

Rain firey sulfur down on your enemies with The Nun Gun.
LMAO


okay, to the OP (or on topic.......whatever)

the way I understand it from the Fundies around me, the more books that have "gay themes" in them that their kids are "exposed to" the more acceptable they will think "being gay" is.

so the agenda of equality is the agenda.

If the conservatives want their children to stay away from homosexual themes, make sure to keep this book away
http://www.presbyterian.ca/bookroom/images/bibles/holy_bible.jpg

*Jesus was kissed by a man and Paul says to greet brothers with a kiss(incest?)
*12 men traveling around, and sleeping together is obviously homosexual
* David and Saul had a lovey dovey relationship before he(saul) tried to kill david.


Lets not forget all the refrence to sex, violence, and other sins in that damned book. Clearly it is a book we need to ban our children from reading!

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay.
* The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

You forgot about the part about the book being NON-FICTION. That is, it was based on ACTUAL PENGUINS.

So, what, are the conservatives saying the penguins are in on the whole thing? :rolleyes:

You forgot about the part about the book being NON-FICTION. That is, it was based on ACTUAL PENGUINS.

So, what, are the conservatives saying the penguins are in on the whole thing? :rolleyes:

Well, we all know that reality is a liberal bias, thus reality is promoting the homosexual agenda.

Besides who doesnt want to read about gay penguin sex?

Besides who doesnt want to read about gay penguin sex?


Its giving me a big, hard, gay e-erection just thinking about it.

I used to actually care about stuff like this.

Now, I realized that it doesn't really affect me, and if people wanna be happy, let 'em. I'm staying out of it. If they're happy, and not affecting me, well, then that's all that matters. Let them think and believe what they wanna. Gravity'll still work tomorrow, as will everything else.

gays want to put stuf in my butt. :(

gays want to put stuf in my butt. :(

http://www.fisterra.com/material/tecnicas/enema/images/Enema.gif

:eek: Damn those gay doctors wanting to clean you out!

http://www.fisterra.com/material/tecnicas/enema/images/Enema.gif

:eek: Damn those gay doctors wanting to clean you out!

and Prostate exam! Sticking their fingers in your bum!

Ok, so there's this story going on in the Charlotte Mecklenburg School Systems about a book titled "& Tango makes three"

http://www.amazon.com/Tango-Makes-Three-Peter-Parnell/dp/0689878451/sr=8-1/qid=1168469321/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3223784-7076418?ie=UTF8&s=books

This book is about two male penguins who lives in New York City's Central Park Zoo, and they raise a little penguin chicklet (or whatever you call baby penguins together). Ok, that seems simple enough, male penguins help raise young all the time. Hell in "March of the Penguins" they show the males and females taking turn taking care of the babies while the other one goes and get food. I mean this is just simple biology and this is how penguin raise their young. However Neo-Con and Conservative idiots (mostly those with either a camera or microphone) are trying to turn this into some idiotic crap about how "the GAYZES ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR CHILDREN!" My God, how stupid can you be? I mean honestly, do children at that age even know what it means to be gay. The answer is NO! Hell I didn't learn about gays and lesbians until I was in Middle School and I met a lesbian. My God, are these pundit's so homophobic that any indication of two males doing anything together is considered gay?! Well, I guess they better stop drinking with their buddies after work, because well that's just fruity. Do I think there's a Gay agenda anywhere in our society? Yea I do, however it's not to try to "influence" our kids and turn them gay. No, all gays really want is to be equal to straights, to have the same rights, and to be able to be married couples and the rights and benefits that carries.

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay.
* The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

OMG... this is the second time we agree, Wilgrove. Seems I'm making a habit of this! :-D

geez are you BLIND?

there is obviously a gay agenda. why else would they put this book into schools and libraries all over the country?

isnt it obvious that the gay elite want gay men to be given penguin eggs to hatch?

thats just unnatural.

Someone needs to get laid...Now turn around.

Obviously the neo-conservatives are patently anti-arctic-waterfowl. This is why they lost the last elections. This country is turning around. The pro-penguin lobby has done its job well!

Tinky Winky disapproves of this thread

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Tinky Winky disapproves of this thread
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But I thought he was gay.

But I thought he was gay.

He is, but his mother was terrorized by a penguin before he was born.

Who are you and what have you done with the real Wilgrove? :D

Who are you and what have you done with the real Wilgrove? :D

The real Wilgrove is tied up in the basement being forced to watch all episode of Will and Grace. :p

But I thought he was gay.

he is, and as part of the gay agenda he is angered at your efforts to discredit his efforts.

hence the chainsaw.

he is, and as part of the gay agenda he is angered at your efforts to discredit his efforts.

hence the chainsaw.

Ahhh, Well he'll have to get past my shotgun then. :p

As long as they are willign to sport firearms!

How about swords?
http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/pinguine.gif

How about swords?
http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/pinguine.gif

This proving that the internet has a picture for any situation.

This proving that the internet has a picture for any situation.

Yeah ytmnd has good idea building capability :) I have had that one for months

Ok, so there's this story going on in the Charlotte Mecklenburg School Systems about a book titled "& Tango makes three"

http://www.amazon.com/Tango-Makes-Three-Peter-Parnell/dp/0689878451/sr=8-1/qid=1168469321/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3223784-7076418?ie=UTF8&s=books

This book is about two male penguins who lives in New York City's Central Park Zoo, and they raise a little penguin chicklet (or whatever you call baby penguins together). Ok, that seems simple enough, male penguins help raise young all the time. Hell in "March of the Penguins" they show the males and females taking turn taking care of the babies while the other one goes and get food. I mean this is just simple biology and this is how penguin raise their young. However Neo-Con and Conservative idiots (mostly those with either a camera or microphone) are trying to turn this into some idiotic crap about how "the GAYZES ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE OUR CHILDREN!" My God, how stupid can you be? I mean honestly, do children at that age even know what it means to be gay. The answer is NO! Hell I didn't learn about gays and lesbians until I was in Middle School and I met a lesbian. My God, are these pundit's so homophobic that any indication of two males doing anything together is considered gay?! Well, I guess they better stop drinking with their buddies after work, because well that's just fruity. Do I think there's a Gay agenda anywhere in our society? Yea I do, however it's not to try to "influence" our kids and turn them gay. No, all gays really want is to be equal to straights, to have the same rights, and to be able to be married couples and the rights and benefits that carries.

So to recap.
* "& Tango Makes Three" is a story based off of two male penguins raising a young in the New York City's Central Park Zoo.
* Conservative and Neo-Cons pundits are getting their panties in a bunch because they think it's part of the "Gay Agenda". Which apparently means anytime two guys are doing something together, it's gay.
* The real Gay Agenda is equality, plain and simple.
* I think the pundits are idiots and need to be hit in the head, hard.

How can you say there is no gay agenda and then later in the post admit there is one? but guess what, its not equality.

How can you say there is no gay agenda and then later in the post admit there is one? but guess what, its not equality.

how about you try to read the thread and try really, REALLY hard to understand what he's saying before spouting off?

And what exactly is it, other than equality?

how about you try to read the thread and try really, REALLY hard to understand what he's saying before spouting off?

And what exactly is it, other than equality?

It's to put stuff in his butt. :(

Well, shit.

Avast, ye scurvy dogs! We be sendin' gay, bloodthirsty penguin pirate commandos t' teach ye a lesson or two...

'Ware the penguins, lads...they be hungry fer neo-conservative blood!

And what exactly is it, other than equality?

A 1000 thread count sheet in every bed and tasteful manscaping for all.

That way, when we get to the rapings, you'll all be gay anyway and there will be no need for raping you. Real rape is hell on your cuticles.

Conservative male pundits wear panties?!?!? :eek:
Not just pundits. Ever heard of J. Edgar Hoover?

*Fires pink ray from gayzor*

* deflects beam with copy of Pat Robertson's autobiography *

The gay agenda, the war on christmas, what is it with conservatives and conspiracy theories?

* deflects beam with copy of Pat Robertson's autobiography *

http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/images/postpic/c30.gif Pat Robertson, that is...

http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/images/postpic/c30.gif Pat Robertson, that is...

Hey, I don't mind being hit by a ghey beam - but if you hit me with an ugly stick (as apparently Rosie O'Donnell has been), I'll be a bit upset...

Avast, ye scurvy dogs! We be sendin' gay, bloodthirsty penguin pirate commandos t' teach ye a lesson or two...

'Ware the penguins, lads...they be hungry fer neo-conservative blood!

yar

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/pinguine.gif

Hey, I don't mind being hit by a ghey beam - but if you hit me with an ugly stick (as apparently Rosie O'Donnell has been), I'll be a bit upset...

well, and then there is the stupid stick that got her too, I don't think the gays did that one.

There is an agenda. It's true.

We have an insidious plan to teach young people that they don't need to be ashamed of their bodies or their feelings. We want to brainwash children to think that sex isn't dirty or sinful or wrong. We want to teach that love is about more than which genitals you have and where you choose to stick them. We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

Pure evil, that's us.

Conservative male pundits wear panties?!?!? :eek:

Only when they think nobody is looking. :p

AAAHHH!!! Gay Penguins!!! :eek:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Hockey1999NHLPlayoffsImages/may8_playoff5.jpg

:D

The gay agenda, the war on christmas, what is it with conservatives and conspiracy theories?

Extremists can only maintain their positions if they convince themselves that they are being betrayed (the war on Christmas) or victimized (the Gay Agenda). Conspiracy theories fall into either category, depending on the subject. And this happens on the left, too, sadly. Just goes to show, there are tin-foil hat candidates everywhere, regardless of political persuasion.

Extremists can only maintain their positions if they convince themselves that they are being betrayed (the war on Christmas) or victimized (the Gay Agenda). Conspiracy theories fall into either category, depending on the subject. And this happens on the left, too, sadly. Just goes to show, there are tin-foil hat candidates everywhere, regardless of political persuasion.

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/dog.jpg

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/dog.jpg

Stylin'!

"How homophobic do you have to be to have penguin gaydar?!" -Lewis Black :D

There is an agenda. It's true.

We have an insidious plan to teach young people that they don't need to be ashamed of their bodies or their feelings. We want to brainwash children to think that sex isn't dirty or sinful or wrong. We want to teach that love is about more than which genitals you have and where you choose to stick them. We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

Pure evil, that's us.

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

Even worse! They beleive in dun dun duh contraception!

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

yes, because recognizing that sex isn't an unholy sin makes AIDS magically go away.

Are you always that thick? There's a strong difference between the recognition that sex isn't something "dirty" or "sinful" and thinking one has no risk what so ever.

I also don't recall Bottle using the words "free love" in her post. Only to mention that love need not be defined by the similarity or difference in your genitals and your partner's

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:Hehe. That's probably the stupidest statement I've read today :D

Hehe. That's probably the stupidest statement I've read today :D

well, it's been a pretty slow day.

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

Okay. Normally I sit back and let offal like this just fling itself on the wall of asshattery and let it slide down into the pit of ordure where it belongs. But when I read the post that Soviestan replied to:


There is an agenda. It's true.

We have an insidious plan to teach young people that they don't need to be ashamed of their bodies or their feelings. We want to brainwash children to think that sex isn't dirty or sinful or wrong. We want to teach that love is about more than which genitals you have and where you choose to stick them. We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

Pure evil, that's us.


...I have to ask whether or not Soviestan is in fact dyslexic or just incredibly dense. I look at Bottle's paragraph and I search for "free love" and "no consequences" and, dammit, no matter how hard I look, I can't find either concept. I see a desire to end shame, demystifying and destigmafying sex and sexuality, respect, and dignity.

Seriously, how off one's chump does one have to be to dig up something to object to where no such thing exists? I mean, if you disagree, that's fine, but why do you have to lie and misrepresent someone's words to do it? WHy can't you disagree with something that resembles a respectful argument as opposed to resembling a fecal smear dredged from your own paranoid subconscious?

And believe me, I'm not expecting a constructive answer to those questions from Soviestan, but I'm williing to give him the opportunity to explain and hope for the best.

And believe me, I'm not expecting a constructive answer to those questions from Soviestan, but I'm williing to give him the opportunity to explain and hope for the best.

You gotta read between the lines of what she wrote. she said things like sex isn't immoral. Well guess what, outside of the correct boundaries it can be. That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

If men weren't so hard up for sex that they had to pay women to fuck them, and if the same men didn't have such low self esteem that they had to call the women that they paid "whores" we would not be calling the women names now, would we?

Think of the poor shitstains that would be jerking off instead of getting off if there weren't women willing to be paid for sex and willing to put up with your idiotic view of them.

That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

As long as the other party consents...yes, that really is how it works. How are the acts of two consenting adults supposed to work otherwise?

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

ONce again, I think it's pretty ok for women to dress themselves in pretty much however the hell they want.

Now let me ask you, why are you against women having the right to dress themselves as they chose?

You gotta read between the lines of what she wrote. she said things like sex isn't immoral. Well guess what, outside of the correct boundaries it can be. That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

In other words, she didn't say it, but you want her to have said it so that you can argue against something.

Any action, outside of a certain context, can be immoral. Eating too much can be viewed as immoral, but eating, in and of itself, certainly isn't. What's your point?

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

She said that we should not teach our children to be ashamed of their bodies. Do you think you should be ashamed of the body that Allah gave you?

Meanwhile, I find it interesting that you immediately went to the women=whores tangent.
(a) The way a woman dresses says little to nothing about her sexual habits.
(b) Why only address women? Are women supposed to be ashamed of their bodies, while men are not?
(c) What constitutes "dressing like a whore"? I haven't seen many women around with whore uniforms on, have you?

There is an agenda. It's true.

We have an insidious plan to teach young people that they don't need to be ashamed of their bodies or their feelings. We want to brainwash children to think that sex isn't dirty or sinful or wrong. We want to teach that love is about more than which genitals you have and where you choose to stick them. We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

Pure evil, that's us.

Okay, Soviestan, I've posted her exact words here in yet another reply.

You gotta read between the lines of what she wrote. she said things like sex isn't immoral.

She said, exactly, "sex isn't dirty or sinful or wrong." I find your between-the-lines reading to be wholly inaccurate. "Sinful" refers to classifying a behavior as a sin based on a religious interpretation of that behavior. If you want to take her to task for disagreeing with the Bible or the Qur'an, please do, but disagreeing with a centuries-old book written in and for an ancient time does NOT qualify those statements as immoral. Sorry.

Well guess what, outside of the correct boundaries it can be.

Look, sonny, ANYthing "can" be immoral if done in the (im)proper context. Eating, for example. I'd say it was immoral for someone to eat a full six-course meal in front of a starving child. Others might disagree. You disagree about the context, plain and simple. Guess what, that's all a matter of opinion -- and besides, it isn't for you to judge her, is it?

That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

I can't help what you, personally, are "led" to believe, but if you're "led" to believe such prurient thoughts, your religion must not be working as well for you as you thought. Please tell me where she said anything about having sex with anyone you want? I think her words -- respect, human dignity -- give the lie to your statements. Statements which say one hell of a lot more about you than they do about Bottle.

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

The quote is right there in your post! How can you get these things so incredibly wrong? "Not being ashamed of your bodies or feelings" does NOT equate to "women dressing like whores". You sound like one of those men who'd stone a woman for exposing an ankle because it tempts men. Well, why can't MEN learn to CONTROL themselves, if they tempt so easily? Why is the problem not with men? I am continually amazed at how often I hear of these extreme views on women coming from men who are trying to convince the world that they are civilized. Clearly, if those people with the stones cannot control themselves and would react like crazed monkeys at the sight of an uncovered square centimeter of feminine flesh, civilized is something they're clearly not.

Sovie, you're just way, way off base here. That doesn't make you bad or evil or anything of the sort, but it does make me see you as intensely misguided. And THAT is the real shame.

In other words, she didn't say it, but you want her to have said it so that you can argue against something.

Those were the words I was looking for. Well said.

Any action, outside of a certain context, can be immoral. Eating too much can be viewed as immoral, but eating, in and of itself, certainly isn't. What's your point?

We both went for "eating" as an analogy -- great minds think.

She said that we should not teach our children to be ashamed of their bodies. Do you think you should be ashamed of the body that Allah gave you?

Meanwhile, I find it interesting that you immediately went to the women=whores tangent.
(a) The way a woman dresses says little to nothing about her sexual habits.
(b) Why only address women? Are women supposed to be ashamed of their bodies, while men are not?
(c) What constitutes "dressing like a whore"? I haven't seen many women around with whore uniforms on, have you?

I've gotta leave the refutations to you -- you are FAR better at it than I. *bows in respect*

*bows in respect*

She's good, isn't she? :D

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay

(c) What constitutes "dressing like a whore"? I haven't seen many women around with whore uniforms on, have you?

I should think it consists of not covering up the way a good Muslim woman should. But you know, it's long been my opinion that Muslim women dress that way, especially the veil, because otherwise they'd be seen to be laughing all the time at the silly things their men do and say.

I've gotta leave the refutations to you -- you are FAR better at it than I. *bows in respect*

LOL, I think you hit some aspects I didn't. =)


I should think it consists of not covering up the way a good Muslim woman should. But you know, it's long been my opinion that Muslim women dress that way, especially the veil, because otherwise they'd be seen to be laughing all the time at the silly things their men do and say.

LOL! I like that explanation. It makes so much sense...

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay

Um ... what?

She's good, isn't she? :D

Easily among the best.:D

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay

*adopts Foghorn Leghorn voice*
"Now hold, I say, hold on a darn minute, son. Speak, I say, speakin' in TONGUES is next DOOR.

Sharp as a bowlin' ball."

Easily among the best.:D

*blushes*

*blushes*

Dont be modest ... you and bottle are some of the better debaters out there by far ... Stating what you mean in fewer words clearly is a skill ... I tend to think similar but my points are less ... pointed.

(c) What constitutes "dressing like a whore"? I haven't seen many women around with whore uniforms on, have you?
*Must bite tongue about Shibuya fashions. Must bite tongue about Shibuya fashions*

The Gay agenda? I think this says it pretty well...

http://www.markfiore.com/mad/gay.gif

The Gay agenda? I think this says it pretty well...

http://www.markfiore.com/mad/gay.gif

We're picspamming the thread already? Excellent.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/obviousot5.jpg

We're picspamming the thread already? Excellent.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/obviousot5.jpg

'twasn't pic-spam, 'twas an on-topic post!

*sulks*

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay
ameen. I agree

As long as the other party consents...yes, that really is how it works. How are the acts of two consenting adults supposed to work otherwise?
within a marriage, simple


ONce again, I think it's pretty ok for women to dress themselves in pretty much however the hell they want.

you would

Now let me ask you, why are you against women having the right to dress themselves as they chose?
it goes against Allah.

within a marriage, simple
you would
it goes against Allah.

Still trolling with Islam?

Psst. Your shtick's getting stale.

*snip*

Do you have an answer to Arthais101's earlier question to you, about what the gay agenda constitutes beyond equality?

it goes against Allah.

One good reason not to follow that religion ...

I should think it consists of not covering up the way a good Muslim woman should.
well, yes actually.

But you know, it's long been my opinion that Muslim women dress that way, especially the veil, because otherwise they'd be seen to be laughing all the time at the silly things their men do and say.

most Muslim women don't where a full veil anyway, simply a hijab, so what your saying doesn't make sense since their face is visible.

And you're surprised at this? If ANYTHING has anything REMOTELY gay in it, the pundits go nuts about it.

I agree, they need a boot to the head.

(Sings)

Boot to the head!
NYAH! NYAH!
Boot to the head!
NYAH! NYAH!

People going diving off cliffs
People smoking in bed
People voting Republican
Give them a boot to the head

Boot to the head!
NYAH! NYAH!
Boot to the head!
NYAH! NYAH!

(stops singing)

It amazes me how many people actually listen to and follow these idiots. It could only happen in America, champion of the oppressed and the stupid, where all men are created equal, and the idiots promoted above the rest.

Do you have an answer to Arthais101's earlier question to you, about what the gay agenda constitutes beyond equality?

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

within a marriage, simple


you would


it goes against Allah.

Soviestan has stopped thinking for himself and now blames everything on Allah.

Nice going.

Here's a bit of advice though. I am Roman Catholic, however, I am not simply a mouth piece for my religion, or God, or the lord Jesus Christ. I do my own thinking, and I make my own conclusion. Do I feel like I am betraying God, Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church? Nah not really, because the simple fact is, and please, trust me on this, people no matter if they're gay, straight, Islamic, Catholic, Woman, Man, Small dick, big breast, fat, skinny, white, black, yellow, they just all want to be treated as equal to each other. They also want to be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. That's really the simple fact of life and humanity.

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.
So, secular values like equality. Mmhmm.

Soviestan has stopped thinking for himself and now blames everything on Allah.

Nice going.

Here's a bit of advice though. I am Roman Catholic, however, I am not simply a mouth piece for my religion, or God, or the lord Jesus Christ. I do my own thinking, and I make my own conclusion. Do I feel like I am betraying God, Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church? Nah not really, because the simple fact is, and please, trust me on this, people no matter if they're gay, straight, Islamic, Catholic, Woman, Man, Small dick, big breast, fat, skinny, white, black, yellow, they just all want to be treated as equal to each other. They also want to be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. That's really the simple fact of life and humanity.
I can agree to this ... I want you to be able to live your life as long as I can too ... simple as that

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them.

Yes... secular values of EQUALITY.

And this "pushing" amounts to "pushing" the oppressors to stop their oppression - more along the lines of stopping "pushing."

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

and pushing religious values is Oohhh so much better. Even though no one ask to follow your religious values.

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

SECULAR VALUES MY HAIRY ASS!

Soviestan, you are a mindless troll, and I strongly suggest that you go to the Middle East, because you're so hung up on your imaginary friend, so you can find a nice big rock to go under and stay in.

I can agree to this ... I want you to be able to live your life as long as I can too ... simple as that

What's ironic or sad is that I am a very cynical person and don't hold that much faith in humanity.

Soviestan has stopped thinking for himself and now blames everything on Allah.

Nice going.

Here's a bit of advice though. I am Roman Catholic, however, I am not simply a mouth piece for my religion, or God, or the lord Jesus Christ. I do my own thinking, and I make my own conclusion. Do I feel like I am betraying God, Jesus, or the Roman Catholic Church? Nah not really, because the simple fact is, and please, trust me on this, people no matter if they're gay, straight, Islamic, Catholic, Woman, Man, Small dick, big breast, fat, skinny, white, black, yellow, they just all want to be treated as equal to each other. They also want to be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. That's really the simple fact of life and humanity.

You act as if I am devoid of rational thought or thinking for myself. its simply not true. There a few things I disagree with Islam on.

You act as if I am devoid of rational thought or thinking for myself. its simply not true. There a few things I disagree with Islam on.
Do tell.

What's ironic or sad is that I am a very cynical person and don't hold that much faith in humanity.

I have hopes while trying to keep it realistic ... I think our rules should hope for the best and be reasonably harsh when people do not live up to them.

I have no problem trying to allow people to grow in positive ways and to chop them off at the knees if they prove detrimental to society

I know this seems contradictory but it is often my position (though it often gets misunderstood as being simply left wing)

Do tell.
stem cells for one.

You act as if I am devoid of rational thought or thinking for myself. its simply not true. There a few things I disagree with Islam on.

However, "sex outside of marriage" is bbbbbaaaddddd!, or I dunno, letting women dress the way they want to dress is BBBBADDDDD!

Here's another little nugget of wisdom Sov, You do not have to have sex outside of marriage. You don't have to date or marry the women who you think "dress like whores". I mean unless you have a gun to your head and they are forcing it on you, you may have a case. However, I doubt that is the case, so you know what, if people want to dress like "whores" and have sex outside of marriage, let them. It's simple as that. You don't have to join in, or date the women who dress like "whores". And By and by, people even though in general are stupid, I think they can deal with the consequences of their actions.

stem cells for one.
What's Islam's position on stem cells?

And IIRC, aren't you against abortion?

stem cells for one.

So if you disagree with Islam sometimes, you must have other reasons for your moral standpoints than "Islam says so."

Next time someone asks you why homosexuality or certain kinds of dress are immoral, actually provide those reasons instead of mindlessly repeating "Allah said so."

So if you disagree with Islam sometimes, you must have other reasons for your moral standpoints than "Islam says so."

Next time someone asks you why homosexuality or certain kinds of dress are immoral, actually provide those reasons instead of mindlessly repeating "Allah said so."

I honestly think that people use "Allah/God/Budda/Genish said so" as a cop out, and that they hope people won't see how stupid they are.

So if you disagree with Islam sometimes, you must have other reasons for your moral standpoints than "Islam says so."

Next time someone asks you why homosexuality or certain kinds of dress are immoral, actually provide those reasons instead of mindlessly repeating "Allah said so."

Hell, I like "Allah said so" more than "My neighbor's dog said so".


Which it hopefully won't get too.

Hell, I like "Allah said so" more than "My neighbor's dog said so".


Which it hopefully won't get too.

"Neighbor's dog" is better.
At least it's original.

and pushing religious values is Oohhh so much better.

Of course. Every major religion absolutely relies on selling and endorsing your own beliefs and the more radical the method, the better the follower.

Even though no one ask to follow your religious values.

Bring light to the darkness and lead the blind to paradise or so god says.

It all comes down to:
Don't like to think for yourself?
Scared, immature, and intolerant?
Good at following orders?

Join a religion and be free of will/responsiblity for your actions.

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.
No, it consists of requiring adult human beings to act like adults.

Gay people don't give a shit if you like them or not. Really, I promise you, they don't. Most gay people couldn't care less about your personal "values." You just aren't that important.

What gay people want is the same thing that most of us want: to be recognized as full human beings and citizens of our country, with the same rights and responsibilities as all other citizens.

Throughout all of human history there have been populations of whiny-ass babies who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the adult world. Instead of growing up and learning to behave themselves, these brats require that we pass laws FORCING them to behave.

The racist-babies had to be legally forced to grow up and deal with the existence of black people, because they pouted and stamped their little feet and refused to do it until the laws were handed down. They still holler over the evil brown hordes trying to sweep across the planet, but we mostly just put them in their room when they do.

The sexist-babies are STILL kicking and screaming over the fact that girls are getting their cooties all over our gov'ment, but they've been forced to grow up at least enough to cope with the fact that womenfolks are allowed outside the house.

Now it's the homophobe-babies who are throwing the loudest tantrum. "No no no!! MINE MINE MINE! My marriage!!! I'M NOT SHARING!!!" Sorry Junior, but marriage isn't yours. It doesn't belong to you, no matter how loud you cry. If we have to pass a law and swat your bottom and send you to your room in tears, we'll do it, because it's damn well time you grew up and got over yourself.

If these are the same gay penguins I've heard about, one of them ran off with a female.

correct. that made me sad. now there's a lone gay penguin with no gay penguin love... :(

If the conservatives want their children to stay away from homosexual themes, make sure to keep this book away
http://www.presbyterian.ca/bookroom/images/bibles/holy_bible.jpg

*Jesus was kissed by a man and Paul says to greet brothers with a kiss(incest?)
*12 men traveling around, and sleeping together is obviously homosexual
* David and Saul had a lovey dovey relationship before he(saul) tried to kill david.


Lets not forget all the refrence to sex, violence, and other sins in that damned book. Clearly it is a book we need to ban our children from reading!

none of those references make sense. if you want to quote a new testament verse in which christ mentions homosexuality, look in matthew 19 ("eunuchs who were born" in the ancient mediteranian context means gay men, see this excellent page (http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/) for a more lengthy explanation)

no, 12 men traveling around, sleeping (in the same room with eachother) is not obviously homosexual. it's not obviously anything.

and there's a decent argument for a more-than-strictly-heteronormative relationship between king david and someone else, but that person is Saul's son Jonathan, not saul himself.

There is an agenda. It's true.

We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

and a good dose of historical revisionism, some atheism and new age stuff, and a culture of promiscuity. every rose has its thorns.

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

this isn't remotely what he said...but that's already been adressed amply.

You gotta read between the lines of what she wrote. she said things like sex isn't immoral. Well guess what, outside of the correct boundaries it can be. That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

just as an aside, in cultures where a large ammount of clothing is expected from women, things like *ankles* and *wrists* are considered alluring and erotic. in cultures where people are mostly nude, full frontal nudity usually isn't considered erotic in most contexts. to be perfectly frank, "modesty" (read: shame) goes a long way towards creating eroticism that otherwise likely wouldn't be there.

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay

this was rediculous spam, but I'm still compelled to note that no, most religions do not "ban" it, and within the ones that do, there is always either a minority or majority contingent of devout believers that don't consider it at all wrong.

ameen. I agree

he was mocking you, dear.

Still trolling with Islam?

Psst. Your shtick's getting stale.

the rational-argument-free atheist strikes again!

One good reason not to follow that religion ...

or the sects therein that believe that. there are more that don't. no religion is monolithic.

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

yes, they *do* do that, and that's inappropriate. but not all of what they're pushing is secular.

Soviestan has stopped thinking for himself and now blames everything on Allah.

have you ever noticed how the same sort of stock insults exist in liberal secularism as do in conservative religious circles? I'm no mind reader (and neither are you, so don't make statements like the one above) but I'd imagine he thinks for himself as much as you do. mind you, I don't mean to imply he does it very often. or doesn't - but there really isn't any more independant thinking in liberal circles than in conservative or religious ones. I tend to get regurgitated stock arguments just as often from liberals as from conservatives.


So, secular values like equality. Mmhmm.

militant feminism, atheism, and the hyper-sexualisation of society are likely the ones he objects to. gay people have existed pretty much everywhere and always. we do not need the beacon of enlightened modern thought to grant us humanity. we had that already, in many cases within an islamic context.

Yes... secular values of EQUALITY.

And this "pushing" amounts to "pushing" the oppressors to stop their oppression - more along the lines of stopping "pushing."

not always. it's not just about equality either.

SECULAR VALUES MY HAIRY ASS!

Soviestan, you are a mindless troll, and I strongly suggest that you go to the Middle East, because you're so hung up on your imaginary friend, so you can find a nice big rock to go under and stay in.

what about your hairy ass? they *are* secular values. the philosophy that's currently in vogue is not some value-neutral wonderment of pure rationality. there is no individual aspect of it that has not existed before, in many cases thriving alongside a rich religious culture.

stem cells for one.

the prophet (pbuh) didn't say anything about stem cells, I'm willing to bet. how do you know your position is contradictory to the Islamic one? I'm sincerely curious as to how people decide what the Qur'an says about things like stem cell research, or space travel, or whatever.

I honestly think that people use "Allah/God/Budda/Genish said so" as a cop out, and that they hope people won't see how stupid they are.

I've never heard or read anyone say "Buddha said so" or "Ganesh said so" in any context whatsoever. just because certain sects of certain religions say something doesn't mean it's a universal trend in all religion. (it may be, but they don't all go about it the same way, at the very least)

Of course. Every major religion absolutely relies on selling and endorsing your own beliefs and the more radical the method, the better the follower.

could you source that for me? and define "major religion" please, because I know several with followers in the hundreds of millions that don't prosletyze at all.

It all comes down to:
Don't like to think for yourself?
Scared, immature, and intolerant?
Good at following orders?

Join a religion and be free of will/responsiblity for your actions.

you could go to a university for all the same reasons.

No, it consists of requiring adult human beings to act like adults.

Gay people don't give a shit if you like them or not. Really, I promise you, they don't. Most gay people couldn't care less about your personal "values."

speak for yourself. I do. I know plenty of others that do, too.

You just aren't that important.

he's as important as we are. if we expect to be listened to with sincerity and respect, we need to do the same. if he's not important, than neither are we. and if you think dialoguing with a belief system 1/6 people on this planet calls their own is not important, you need to wake up.

Throughout all of human history...we pass laws FORCING them to behave...they pouted and stamped their little feet and refused to do it until the laws were handed down...Sorry Junior...no matter how loud you cry. If we have to pass a law and swat your bottom and send you to your room in tears, we'll do it, because it's damn well time you grew up and got over yourself.

did you really just take that tone with someone, and tell them to get over themselves? throughout all of human history, there have been self-righteous people who thought forcing others to come into line with their ideology was an acceptable form of human discourse. you may be advocating a different ideology, but if you really believe in coercion, that you're the adult in a world of children (what's the qualification for being an adult, agreeing with you, or just a certain level of ideological similarity?), you aren't going about your business with a substantially different way of interacting with people.

mockery, self-superiority, and coercion are the problems - not one ideology or another. you can try to fight fire with fire, self-assured belligerence with self-assured belligerence, but I think it makes more sense to use water...

If these are the same gay penguins I've heard about, one of them ran off with a female.

correct. that made me sad. now there's a lone gay penguin with no gay penguin love... :(

If the conservatives want their children to stay away from homosexual themes, make sure to keep this book away
http://www.presbyterian.ca/bookroom/images/bibles/holy_bible.jpg

*Jesus was kissed by a man and Paul says to greet brothers with a kiss(incest?)
*12 men traveling around, and sleeping together is obviously homosexual
* David and Saul had a lovey dovey relationship before he(saul) tried to kill david.


Lets not forget all the refrence to sex, violence, and other sins in that damned book. Clearly it is a book we need to ban our children from reading!

none of those references make sense. if you want to quote a new testament verse in which christ mentions homosexuality, look in matthew 19 ("eunuchs who were born" in the ancient mediteranian context means gay men, see this excellent page (http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/) for a more lengthy explanation)

no, 12 men traveling around, sleeping (in the same room with eachother) is not obviously homosexual. it's not obviously anything.

and there's a decent argument for a more-than-strictly-heteronormative relationship between king david and someone else, but that person is Saul's son Jonathan, not saul himself.

There is an agenda. It's true.

We want to sweep over the world with our hideous message of respect and human dignity.

and a good dose of historical revisionism, some atheism and new age stuff, and a culture of promiscuity. every rose has its thorns.

Yeah so free love, do whatever with worrying about the consequences eh? Yeah, no harm there:rolleyes:

this isn't remotely what he said...but that's already been adressed amply.

You gotta read between the lines of what she wrote. she said things like sex isn't immoral. Well guess what, outside of the correct boundaries it can be. That sort of stuff she said leads me to believe shes all for having sex with anyone you want, whenever you want. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

She also said something like being proud of our body or something, as if giving the ok for women to dress like whores.

just as an aside, in cultures where a large ammount of clothing is expected from women, things like *ankles* and *wrists* are considered alluring and erotic. in cultures where people are mostly nude, full frontal nudity usually isn't considered erotic in most contexts. to be perfectly frank, "modesty" (read: shame) goes a long way towards creating eroticism that otherwise likely wouldn't be there.

hell theyre gay and evr1 nos it...its sad because thats not the way it was meant to be ... the worlds greatest religions ban it...so do ii

inshalla, bhibbak ya loubnan, shokran allah for not makin me gay

this was rediculous spam, but I'm still compelled to note that no, most religions do not "ban" it, and within the ones that do, there is always either a minority or majority contingent of devout believers that don't consider it at all wrong.

ameen. I agree

he was mocking you, dear.

Still trolling with Islam?

Psst. Your shtick's getting stale.

the rational-argument-free atheist strikes again!

One good reason not to follow that religion ...

or the sects therein that believe that. there are more that don't. no religion is monolithic.

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

yes, they *do* do that, and that's inappropriate. but not all of what they're pushing is secular.

Soviestan has stopped thinking for himself and now blames everything on Allah.

have you ever noticed how the same sort of stock insults exist in liberal secularism as do in conservative religious circles? I'm no mind reader (and neither are you, so don't make statements like the one above) but I'd imagine he thinks for himself as much as you do. mind you, I don't mean to imply he does it very often. or doesn't - but there really isn't any more independant thinking in liberal circles than in conservative or religious ones. I tend to get regurgitated stock arguments just as often from liberals as from conservatives.


So, secular values like equality. Mmhmm.

militant feminism, atheism, and the hyper-sexualisation of society are likely the ones he objects to. gay people have existed pretty much everywhere and always. we do not need the beacon of enlightened modern thought to grant us humanity. we had that already, in many cases within an islamic context.

Yes... secular values of EQUALITY.

And this "pushing" amounts to "pushing" the oppressors to stop their oppression - more along the lines of stopping "pushing."

not always. it's not just about equality either.

SECULAR VALUES MY HAIRY ASS!

Soviestan, you are a mindless troll, and I strongly suggest that you go to the Middle East, because you're so hung up on your imaginary friend, so you can find a nice big rock to go under and stay in.

what about your hairy ass? they *are* secular values. the philosophy that's currently in vogue is not some value-neutral wonderment of pure rationality. there is no individual aspect of it that has not existed before, in many cases thriving alongside a rich religious culture.

stem cells for one.

the prophet (pbuh) didn't say anything about stem cells, I'm willing to bet. how do you know your position is contradictory to the Islamic one? I'm sincerely curious as to how people decide what the Qur'an says about things like stem cell research, or space travel, or whatever.

I honestly think that people use "Allah/God/Budda/Genish said so" as a cop out, and that they hope people won't see how stupid they are.

I've never heard or read anyone say "Buddha said so" or "Ganesh said so" in any context whatsoever. just because certain sects of certain religions say something doesn't mean it's a universal trend in all religion. (it may be, but they don't all go about it the same way, at the very least)

Of course. Every major religion absolutely relies on selling and endorsing your own beliefs and the more radical the method, the better the follower.

could you source that for me? and define "major religion" please, because I know several with followers in the hundreds of millions that don't prosletyze at all.

It all comes down to:
Don't like to think for yourself?
Scared, immature, and intolerant?
Good at following orders?

Join a religion and be free of will/responsiblity for your actions.

you could go to a university for all the same reasons.

No, it consists of requiring adult human beings to act like adults.

Gay people don't give a shit if you like them or not. Really, I promise you, they don't. Most gay people couldn't care less about your personal "values."

speak for yourself. I do. I know plenty of others that do, too.

You just aren't that important.

he's as important as we are. if we expect to be listened to with sincerity and respect, we need to do the same. if he's not important, than neither are we. and if you think dialoguing with a belief system 1/6 people on this planet calls their own is not important, you need to wake up.

Throughout all of human history...we pass laws FORCING them to behave...they pouted and stamped their little feet and refused to do it until the laws were handed down...Sorry Junior...no matter how loud you cry. If we have to pass a law and swat your bottom and send you to your room in tears, we'll do it, because it's damn well time you grew up and got over yourself.

did you really just take that tone with someone, and tell them to get over themselves? throughout all of human history, there have been self-righteous people who thought forcing others to come into line with their ideology was an acceptable form of human discourse. you may be advocating a different ideology, but if you really believe in coercion, that you're the adult in a world of children (what's the qualification for being an adult, agreeing with you, or just a certain level of ideological similarity?), you aren't going about your business with a substantially different way of interacting with people.

mockery, self-superiority, and coercion are the problems - not one ideology or another. you can try to fight fire with fire, self-assured belligerence with self-assured belligerence, but I think it makes more sense to use water...

I mean...look at the title of this thread. "there is no gay agenda you idiots!" it is *supremely* hypocritical to demand respect and equal recognition of someone you're calling an idiot. "respect us you imbeciles! treat us as equals, you thoughtless children!" ...I mean, come on...

and a good dose of historical revisionism, some atheism and new age stuff, and a culture of promiscuity. every rose has its thorns.

I don't even know what you're on about with the "historical revisionism," and the rest is just pure silly.

Particularly the "culture of promiscuity" thing. If we're talking about the same "gay agenda" that is pushing for GAY MARRIAGE, then you're saying that the people fighting for the right to be in committed, monogamous unions are the ones pushing for promiscuity, while the people who oppose those committed, monogamous unions are the ones fighting promiscuity. Makes perfect sense...

speak for yourself. I do. I know plenty of others that do, too.

That's why I said "most," darling.


he's as important as we are. if we expect to be listened to with sincerity and respect, we need to do the same.

Yeah, and if we expect racists to listen to us, then we have to "respect" them!

If you have so little self-respect that you are concerned about protecting the tender feelings of people who believe that you don't deserve fundamental civil rights, then you go right ahead and pander. I'm not naive enough to think that these people will listen to me with any sincerity or respect, no matter how politely I kiss their asses.


if he's not important, than neither are we.

His opinion of other people's choices means buggerall when it comes to other people's civil rights. That's how our system of government works: there are certain rights that citizens get to hold, even if a whole lot of people don't like it. A shitload of people didn't like that black people were given the right to vote, but their opinions are irrelevant on that subject. IT DOESN'T MATTER how many white people want to have black slaves, they still don't get their way. Just like it doesn't matter how many heterosexuals want to keep homosexuals as second-class citizens.

You're right, he's as important as we are: NONE of us are so important that our personal opinions trump other people's rights.


and if you think dialoguing with a belief system 1/6 people on this planet calls their own is not important, you need to wake up.

Read more carefully.


did you really just take that tone with someone, and tell them to get over themselves?

Yes. When people who are old enough to use the internet and type full sentences choose to behave like babies, I tell them to grow up.


throughout all of human history, there have been self-righteous people who thought forcing others to come into line with their ideology was an acceptable form of human discourse. you may be advocating a different ideology, but if you really believe in coercion, that you're the adult in a world of children (what's the qualification for being an adult, agreeing with you, or just a certain level of ideological similarity?), you aren't going about your business with a substantially different way of interacting with people.

You really can't see the difference between advocating equal rights for all and "forcing others to come into line with their ideology"? Wow.

I don't give a shit if anybody agrees with my personal ideology or value system. I don't care if some people want to be homophobes. Sure, I think they are holding some stupid beliefs, just like I think racists hold some stupid beliefs, but I don't think stupid beliefs should be against the law. I simply expect them to recognize that their right to hold their beliefs extends only insofar as it doesn't interfere with anybody else's rights.

Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. Very simple.


mockery, self-superiority, and coercion are the problems - not one ideology or another. you can try to fight fire with fire, self-assured belligerence with self-assured belligerence, but I think it makes more sense to use water...
And I think it's a waste of time to pretend like a bunch of selfish crybabies deserve to be taken as seriously as actual grown-ups.

If a grown adult chooses to throw a temper tantrum in public, I don't see why any of the rest of us should nod thoughtfully and say, "Hmm, you raise some valid points, and I respect your opinions."

its consists of people pushing secular values on those don't want them. simple really.

And what about the religious who try to push their neolithic vaklues on those of us who aren't believers? I even heard a priest trying to say that without religion we can't tell what's good and what's evil!

I don't even know what you're on about with the "historical revisionism," and the rest is just pure silly.

Particularly the "culture of promiscuity" thing. If we're talking about the same "gay agenda" that is pushing for GAY MARRIAGE, then you're saying that the people fighting for the right to be in committed, monogamous unions are the ones pushing for promiscuity, while the people who oppose those committed, monogamous unions are the ones fighting promiscuity. Makes perfect sense...


Everyone is promiscuous. Even the heterosexuals. Kinsey proved that long ago, and nothing has changed. Anyone who is trying to fight promiscuity is barking up a tree.

When I read this sort of stuff, I'm glad I don't live in the USA. I just hope they can keep their bible thumping and school shootings on their side of the ocean.

the rational-argument-free atheist strikes again!

Rather that than an appeasing "house ******", uncle Tom.

Everyone is promiscuous. Even the heterosexuals. Kinsey proved that long ago, and nothing has changed. Anyone who is trying to fight promiscuity is barking up a tree.

But is it the wrong one? ;)

and a good dose of historical revisionism, some atheism and new age stuff, and a culture of promiscuity. every rose has its thorns.

could you tell me what revisionism you are talking about?

as for promiscuity, if all people present actually WANT to do it, who are you to say it is in any way bad? it may pose problems like STDs or unwanted pregnancies (isn't that an STD of some sort? :p ) but those issues can be adressed by other means...

besides, atheism doesn't seem so bad to me, what evil do you think it can bring? or is it an evil in itself?

Of course there's a gay agenda, haven't you seen the posters?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/TP4CCCC/ovaltine.png

stem cells for one.

So, what? You think embryonic stem cell research should be banned?

At least in the US, the general word from Islamic leaders has been that there is no religious reason to oppose any type of stem cell research. This was largely based in the fact that they support in vitro fertilization.

it goes against Allah.

You know, from what I've read on this, the Qur'an would suggest that Allah doesn't want Islam forced upon others. It seems fairly clear that it must be the convert's choice. Thus, it would seem that Allah supports a woman's right to dress as she pleases, while expecting those who serve Him to dress modestly. Eh?

within a marriage, simple

Well, I dunno, I have managed to have sex withot being married, so I am unsure why the first requires the second, so I can't see why marriage is necessary here.

Have I been doing it wrong? She didn't seem to think so...but then again she wasn't married either so maybe she was doing it wrong too.

Aw, who am I kidding...it was a lot of shes. Trust me, one can have sex outside of marriage. I know, I've seen me do it.


you would

Well...yes, yes I would. That's why I said it.


it goes against Allah.

Allah goes against me. I win.

not always.

And the exceptions would be...?

it's not just about equality either.

That depends on whose "gay agenda" you're talking about.

That depends on whose "gay agenda" you're talking about.

Well okay then, let's discuss YOUR gay agenda.

So, what? You think embryonic stem cell research should be banned?

At least in the US, the general word from Islamic leaders has been that there is no religious reason to oppose any type of stem cell research. This was largely based in the fact that they support in vitro fertilization.

O Rly? I thought the general Islamic position was that of being against stem cells, which I am not. So perhaps I don't disagree with Islam on this afterall.

Rather that than an appeasing "house ******", uncle Tom.
No kidding. I just love it when somebody tells gay people that they need to "respect the opinions" of people who think gay people don't deserve to be equal under the law, particularly since "respecting" their opinions seems to mean that you aren't allowed to actually call a homophobe a homophobe. Wouldn't want to hurt their feelings, now would we? Goodness knows they are being very polite and civil as they express the opinion that we are subhumans who don't deserve fundamental equality...it would be rude if we were to reply to them in blunt language...

O Rly? I thought the general Islamic position was that of being against stem cells, which I am not. So perhaps I don't disagree with Islam on this afterall.

well you really should do your research on a religion before you attempt to pull of a faux conversion for trolling purposes huh?

You'd think they'd all be picketing Happy Feet.

If these are the same gay penguins I've heard about, one of them ran off with a female.

That happened with one of the couples. There's still about three in that zoo, I think.

No kidding. I just love it when somebody tells gay people that they need to "respect the opinions" of people who think gay people don't deserve to be equal under the law, particularly since "respecting" their opinions seems to mean that you aren't allowed to actually call a homophobe a homophobe. Wouldn't want to hurt their feelings, now would we? Goodness knows they are being very polite and civil as they express the opinion that we are subhumans who don't deserve fundamental equality...it would be rude if we were to reply to them in blunt language...

Oh, that kind is a dime a dozen. "If only we're straight-acting enough, they'll like us! If only we're ashamed enough, they won't be threatened! If only we clean the crapper well enough, massa's gonna be good to us!"

As if being accepted on their terms for something you're not - sacrificing acceptance and equality for all people in the GLBT-community and only settling for it for those of us a homophobe's discerning palette can stomach - isn't the minstrel act that it is. :rolleyes:

And as usual, Fass, you will be dismissed because your gay agenda is showing.

Oh, that kind is a dime a dozen. "If only we're straight-acting enough, they'll like us! If only we're ashamed enough, they won't be threatened! If only we clean the crapper well enough, massa's gonna be good to us!"

As if being accepted on their terms for something you're not - sacrificing acceptance and equality for all people in the GLBT-community and only settling for it for those of us a homophobe's discerning palette can stomach - isn't the minstrel act that it is. :rolleyes:

I think we need a special term for gay Uncle Tom's.

Oh, that kind is a dime a dozen. "If only we're straight-acting enough, they'll like us! If only we're ashamed enough, they won't be threatened! If only we clean the crapper well enough, massa's gonna be good to us!"

Well cripes, Fass, what do you expect? You expect people to be able to treat you like an actual human being if you go out in public all GAY and stuff?!


As if being accepted on their terms for something you're not - sacrificing acceptance and equality for all people in the GLBT-community and only settling for it for those of us a homophobe's discerning palette can stomach - isn't the minstrel act that it is. :rolleyes:
Isn't that in the Constitution somewhere? "All heteronormative men are created equal, unless they make a heterosexual male uncomfortable at some point, at which time they are forcing their agenda on other people and all bets are off."

I think we need a special term for gay Uncle Tom's.

I have a special term for men who pretend to be gay; they're called Man Heche.

I have a special term for men who pretend to be gay; they're called Man Heche.

:D

I think we need a special term for gay Uncle Tom's.

I suggest we call them "Pastor Teds" after Ted Haggart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard)

I think we need a special term for gay Uncle Tom's.

We call them self-hating closet cases.

I suggest we call them "Pastor Teds" after Ted Haggart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard)

Pastor Ted it is! Spread the word!

I suggest we call them "Pastor Teds" after Ted Haggart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard)

FTW!

Well cripes, Fass, what do you expect? You expect people to be able to treat you like an actual human being if you go out in public all GAY and stuff?!

I guess I should be ashamed and quiet and preferably straight.

Isn't that in the Constitution somewhere? "All heteronormative men are created equal, unless they make a heterosexual male uncomfortable at some point, at which time they are forcing their agenda on other people and all bets are off."

"All public power in Sweden proceeds from the straight people, rights only to be delegated to those who mimic them at the straight people's whim!"

I think we need a special term for gay Uncle Tom's.

Uncle Thomasinas? ;)

Well okay then, let's discuss YOUR gay agenda.

To be fair to Soviestan and Vegan Nuts, my non-heterosexual agenda extends quite a bit beyond mere legal equality for GLBTs (though that is definitely included.)

It also includes such radical, oppressive ideas as males and females being allowed to choose for themselves how they want to live, instead of being indoctrinated into the roles they are "supposed" to take, and a general opposition to the prevailing notion that a child-raising monogamous pairing is the only decent way to live.

I'm sure some of the followers of many varieties of imaginary deity might object, but to be honest, I'm not very concerned.

Apologies if this was already posted, but I thought people should know that not only is there a homosexual agenda, but Betty Bowers, part of the ex-gay ministry BASH (Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals), has discovered it! Find it posted here:
http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html

I assure you, it's very informative and worth the read!

~Merric

Apologies if this was already posted, but I thought people should know that not only is there a homosexual agenda, but Betty Bowers, part of the ex-gay ministry BASH (Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals), has discovered it! Find it posted here:
http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html

I assure you, it's very informative and worth the read!

~Merric

Oh my God....Satan, the lord of Darkness and the Prince of Evil is now below Homosexuals? I'm still reading, and I hope this is satire.

To be fair to Soviestan and Vegan Nuts, my non-heterosexual agenda extends quite a bit beyond mere legal equality for GLBTs (though that is definitely included.)

It also includes such radical, oppressive ideas as males and females being allowed to choose for themselves how they want to live, instead of being indoctrinated into the roles they are "supposed" to take, and a general opposition to the prevailing notion that a child-raising monogamous pairing is the only decent way to live.

I'm sure some of the followers of many varieties of imaginary deity might object, but to be honest, I'm not very concerned.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at with my first post on this thread.

I absolutely do have an agenda when it comes to sexuality and politics. I am dedicated to making sure that every individual enjoys equal rights when it comes to choosing how they will live their own life. I want men and women to have equal freedoms and be held to an equal standard of responsibility. I want citizens to be allowed to choose their partners based on more than just what set of genitals each person has. I want to help out all families, not just the supposedly "traditional" nuclear family that has never actually been the norm in my culture at all.

If there are people who are offended by these goals, they're welcome to talk to me about it. But if there are people who want to cry about what a big meaniehead I am for disagreeing and refusing to live according to their personal hangups, then they are welcome to take a hike. :D

a lot of these pundits are probably closet gays if they get so upset over something as innocent as two male penguins raising a kid penguin. not equating gay with sinister btw.

Oh my God....Satan, the lord of Darkness and the Prince of Evil is now below Homosexuals? I'm still reading, and I hope this is satire.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/

Yeah she is the top lady on http://landoverbaptist.org 's website

Apologies if this was already posted, but I thought people should know that not only is there a homosexual agenda, but Betty Bowers, part of the ex-gay ministry BASH (Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals), has discovered it! Find it posted here:
http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html

I assure you, it's very informative and worth the read!

~Merric

On that note please god tell me you are joking

Apologies if this was already posted, but I thought people should know that not only is there a homosexual agenda, but Betty Bowers, part of the ex-gay ministry BASH (Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals), has discovered it! Find it posted here:
http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html

I assure you, it's very informative and worth the read!

~Merric

Darn you sarcasm detector! Why must you fail me when I need you the most?

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/thestaff/ladies/

Yeah she is the top lady on http://landoverbaptist.org 's website

You know, I was actually on the Land lovers forum, to mess with them, and God if they are just kidding, they really pull it off well, because....well.....damn. If they are not kidding, and they actually believe in the stuff that they write on the forums, well, I lost more faith in humanity.

You know, I was actually on the Land lovers forum, to mess with them, and God if they are just kidding, they really pull it off well, because....well.....damn. If they are not kidding, and they actually believe in the stuff that they write on the forums, well, I lost more faith in humanity.

Some people do ... those not smart enough to realize the site is satire are rather depressing

correct. that made me sad. now there's a lone gay penguin with no gay penguin love... :(
Well maybe he could get in on some penguin threesomes with his ex and said ex's new woman.
That happened with one of the couples. There's still about three in that zoo, I think.
Ah, well he'll probably be able to find a new man then.
Oh my God....Satan, the lord of Darkness and the Prince of Evil is now below Homosexuals? I'm still reading, and I hope this is satire.
It pretty obviously is.

However, "sex outside of marriage" is bbbbbaaaddddd!, or I dunno, letting women dress the way they want to dress is BBBBADDDDD!

Here's another little nugget of wisdom Sov, You do not have to have sex outside of marriage. You don't have to date or marry the women who you think "dress like whores". I mean unless you have a gun to your head and they are forcing it on you, you may have a case. However, I doubt that is the case, so you know what, if people want to dress like "whores" and have sex outside of marriage, let them. It's simple as that. You don't have to join in, or date the women who dress like "whores". And By and by, people even though in general are stupid, I think they can deal with the consequences of their actions.

Amen, Wilgrove.

(claps)

You know, I was actually on the Land lovers forum, to mess with them, and God if they are just kidding, they really pull it off well, because....well.....damn. If they are not kidding, and they actually believe in the stuff that they write on the forums, well, I lost more faith in humanity.

Landover Baptist is satire. As is their "archrival" Objective Ministries. In reality, both are run by the same people.

Why are some people so obsessed with homosexuality?

gays want to put stuf in my butt. :(
*pets the 'troll'*

You know, to be perfectly honest, I do have a bit of a gay agenda. I want everyone to at least try some good, gay sex, once in their life. I mean...it can't really hurt, and you never know...you might like it...

O Rly? I thought the general Islamic position was that of being against stem cells, which I am not. So perhaps I don't disagree with Islam on this afterall.
How is there a "general Islamic position" on any contemporary political issue, given that the religion is so fractured?

I've heard a lot about the rhumored "Gay Agenda", in politics from many sources of media. This all originated with Jews, then, the blacks. It reminds me of the 60's when the black community wanted to be treated as equals among their neighbors, the whites. At the schools, at work, in their jobs, in the community. When a section of society is treated any less then others, with fewer rights, liberties or for any reason "unfairly", this causes a rift in social acceptance and behavior. Gays only want the basic right to be recognised as a legal couple, or normal, regular people in society, to cohabitate together, get the same tax, & health benefits that hetrosexuals automatically get. It is obscene to think gays, blacks, Jews, Hispanics, etc. deserve any less of social liberties than thier counterpart, the "white, Baptist, or Catholic, hetrosexual couple, or person". In todays society, many jobs, & rights are afforded to the blacks & hispanics only because America is affraid these select minorities will sue, if they don't get what they think they are owed, have the right to, or because they think they are being descriminated against. Gays are only starting to sue because of unfair treatment. Unfortunately, they only win, when there is enough money involved, or to suport the case. Other wise, the unfair treatment goes unnoticed by the general public. Then the criminals, hippocrites, & biggots get their way & gays get no rights, liberties, or justice. American society MUST be willing & open to accept a diverse society, of people who are different in ANY way. Only then, will America be as good as any other rich, advanced, socially free country, that everyone wishes to be a part of. As it stands, America is one of the worst, hippocritical, judgemental, & biggoted, predjudiced countries to live in.
You may ask, how can I be so bold to say this? I have served America as a member of the U.S. military, grew up in a military family, lived in other countries, experienced other religions, cultures, economies, & ways of life. All of which has shown me, America has a long way to go before it is truely the "Land of the Free".
After writing this "essay", I know I may have "stepped on a few toes", but those toes are the ones who are a part of the problem. If you are offended by this, I know some will be, imagine your self as one of the minorities, how their life is, what they arn't alowed to have, or how they are treated. Would YOU allow your self to be treated in that manner or in that way? You'd probably think "Hell NO!" Here's a reality check, you have NO choice! When you are one of these people, you have no choice, your funds may be limited, few people will help you, because it's not thier problem, it's yours. I'm not asking you to pretend you are gay, or straight, I'm saying, just think, what would you do in their situation, how would you feel? Therin, lies the answer.