NationStates Jolt Archive


"Why White People Are Funny"

Neesika
10-01-2007, 04:16
This movie is hilarious, I really suggest it, especially if you are easily offended :)

"Qallunaat (Why White People are Funny) is Canadian filmmaker Mark Sandiford’s irreverent look at Western ethos through the eyes of the Inuit, who for generations were the cultural lab rats of anthropologists, national governments and Arctic explorers. The Inuit term for white people, Qallunaat (pronounced howl-u-not) is at times laugh out loud funny and an insightful analysis.

As the title suggests, you expect a parody and Qallunaat delivers. The QSI building, architecturally Western, nods to the stereotypical igloo we’ve seen on ice cream cartons and cartoons. The Caucasians depicted onscreen are hyper-white—blond, bland, and arrogantly clueless; disregarding common sense when trying to dominate the unfamiliar Arctic environment. As expected, they fail miserably and the Inuit are amused and amazed by their lack of cultural acuity. Another scene, at the “Department of White Man’s Affairs,” shows whites lining up to receive an assigned number ID since their European names are just too darn difficult to pronounce. "

Take a look at the rest of the write up (http://www.nativevue.org/blog/?p=308), and let me know what you think. Too far?
Pyotr
10-01-2007, 04:18
If only Nordland was still around....
Laerod
10-01-2007, 04:21
You mean "Nanuk" isn't in fashion anymore? Aw... :(
Ilie
10-01-2007, 04:22
Here's another reason white people are funny...

http://www.mitchclem.com/rockcity/index.php?comic=90
Iztatepopotla
10-01-2007, 04:27
How about when they go lie in the sun for four hours and come back looking like crabs?
Kryozerkia
10-01-2007, 04:29
White people are the singularly most dull race of people on earth. There is a reason why we're compared to white bread...
Laerod
10-01-2007, 04:30
White people are the singularly most dull race of people on earth. There is a reason why we're compared to white bread...I hope you're not suggesting that Monty Python are black or so... :p
Infinite Revolution
10-01-2007, 04:32
i agree, i'm fucking hilarious :p


but, seriously, that film sounds interesting.
Kryozerkia
10-01-2007, 04:38
I hope you're not suggesting that Monty Python are black or so... :p

And if I do? ;)
Laerod
10-01-2007, 04:39
And if I do? ;)Then we'll have to use... the comfy CHAIR!
Neesika
10-01-2007, 04:41
"The mocking portrayal of Caucasians is interspersed with authentic film clips of Inuits from the early and mid 20th century. One video, produced in 1956 by the National Film Board of Canada, condescendingly commends Eskimos for their “quick ability to pick up imitative skills” and “good humor.” Whereas the racism and superciliousness in the videos may be comical by today’s standards, they relay the prevailing belief of hundreds of years. It’s that realization that makes the ridicule of white society in Qallunaat mild compared to the ravaging Natives endured by comparison. "


"Clearly, if you’re white, it’s not comfortable hearing yourself described as smelly and personally rigid. But that’s the point; the point Qallunaat makes effectively and never ever mean-spirited. "

I wonder how many people are going to cry racism once they see this?
Pyotr
10-01-2007, 04:43
Then we'll have to use... the comfy CHAIR!

I'll get the soft cushions.
Laerod
10-01-2007, 04:43
I wonder how many people are going to cry racism once they see this?I dunno. It doesn't seem so to me.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 04:43
Now what I'd love to see is a redo of an old Western, all of the actors being aboriginal, with half of them in white face playing cowboys :) I want Graham Greene to play John Wayne!
Kytzenia
10-01-2007, 05:52
This is morally deplorable.

How can we expect to create a world of equality when inequality exists?

Why do blacks have the right to place the 'race' card at every turn, yet if a white person tries, they are laughed out of the room? Racism is a two way street.

This is proof that liberals are going too far these days. First we allow for whites to be publicly mocked by people of colour. Of course, the whites targeted are always Christian. No one ever picks on a Jew. This is very selective racism.

Liberals want nothing more than to be able to mock religion out of existence, while justifying hatred against whites. They hate themselves. Guilt by association.

Of course, this could be fixed if they ended their godless ways.
Arthais101
10-01-2007, 06:00
This is morally deplorable.

How can we expect to create a world of equality when inequality exists?

Why do blacks have the right to place the 'race' card at every turn, yet if a white person tries, they are laughed out of the room? Racism is a two way street.

This is proof that liberals are going too far these days. First we allow for whites to be publicly mocked by people of colour. Of course, the whites targeted are always Christian. No one ever picks on a Jew. This is very selective racism.

Liberals want nothing more than to be able to mock religion out of existence, while justifying hatred against whites. They hate themselves. Guilt by association.

Of course, this could be fixed if they ended their godless ways.


I like you, you're funny. By the way, try to read. There were no "blacks" involved in this.

Of course I love your logic, it's all the white christians who get picked on, nobody ever insults the jews, and nobody ever gets called "******".
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 07:22
I like you, you're funny. By the way, try to read. There were no "blacks" involved in this.

Of course I love your logic, it's all the white christians who get picked on, nobody ever insults the jews, and nobody ever gets called "******".

Eskimos are black people. Everybody knows that.
Pepe Dominguez
10-01-2007, 07:34
Sounds kinda funny. Maybe someone can update us when it's available for pirated download? :)
Kiryu-shi
10-01-2007, 07:37
This is morally deplorable.

How can we expect to create a world of equality when inequality exists?

Why do blacks have the right to place the 'race' card at every turn, yet if a white person tries, they are laughed out of the room? Racism is a two way street.

This is proof that liberals are going too far these days. First we allow for whites to be publicly mocked by people of colour. Of course, the whites targeted are always Christian. No one ever picks on a Jew. This is very selective racism.

Liberals want nothing more than to be able to mock religion out of existence, while justifying hatred against whites. They hate themselves. Guilt by association.

Of course, this could be fixed if they ended their godless ways.

*nods* Borat didn't make fun of Jews at all. Or blacks. At all.
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 07:45
This is morally deplorable.

How can we expect to create a world of equality when inequality exists?

Why do blacks have the right to place the 'race' card at every turn, yet if a white person tries, they are laughed out of the room? Racism is a two way street.

Technically, everyone has the "right" to play the race card. So don't act like someone is stomping on your precious whites. I mean, rights.

This is proof that liberals are going too far these days.

What does this have to do with being liberal? Oh lemme see... absolutely balls-out NOTHING. You may have a good point with double standards, but you throw it away by making an idiotic generalization of your own.

At least this movie is funny; you are merely a hypocrite.


Liberals want nothing more than to be able to mock religion out of existence, while justifying hatred against whites. They hate themselves. Guilt by association.

Of course, this could be fixed if they ended their godless ways.

Haha! Okay, I take it back; you ARE funny. Another funny little man expounding on the Evil Conspiracy To Destroy Christianity And White People. Where do Evil Muslims fit in, are they a Fifth Column in collusion with the Evil Hispanics hoping to subvert and destroy our precious bodily fluids?
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 08:09
*nods* Borat didn't make fun of Jews at all. Or blacks. At all.

Borat's JEWISH.
Harlesburg
10-01-2007, 08:12
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/mudflapsmartini/thisissofuckinhilarious.jpg
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:12
This is morally deplorable.

How can we expect to create a world of equality when inequality exists?

Why do blacks have the right to place the 'race' card at every turn, yet if a white person tries, they are laughed out of the room? Racism is a two way street.

This is proof that liberals are going too far these days. First we allow for whites to be publicly mocked by people of colour. Of course, the whites targeted are always Christian. No one ever picks on a Jew. This is very selective racism.

Liberals want nothing more than to be able to mock religion out of existence, while justifying hatred against whites. They hate themselves. Guilt by association.

Of course, this could be fixed if they ended their godless ways.If I can find one example, would you shut the fuck up?
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:15
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/mudflapsmartini/thisissofuckinhilarious.jpg

hehe, that's funny.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 08:23
especially if you are easily offended :)

"?

How do you offend a white person?

"You... white devil... snowman! cracker!"
*looks at backs of hands * SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... cultural imperialist..."
*looks how everyone speaks european languages everywhere* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... economic exploiter! Natural resource thief!"
*looks at money* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... mistreater! anthropologist bigot! eurocentrist!"
*looks at academia, history museums filled with nifty indigenous stuff in european- and european colonial cities" SCORE! *GRIN*


You can make white people feel ashamed, but you can't offend them, because we always win, and we've been winning for a long long time.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:26
How do you offend a white person?

"You... white devil... snowman! cracker!"
*looks at backs of hands * SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... cultural imperialist..."
*looks how everyone speaks european languages everywhere* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... economic exploiter! Natural resource thief!"
*looks at money* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... mistreater! anthropologist bigot! eurocentrist!"
*looks at academia, history museums filled with nifty indigenous stuff in european- and european colonial cities" SCORE! *GRIN*


You can make white people feel ashamed, but you can't offend them, because we always win, and we've been winning for a long long time.

and we will keep on winning.
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 08:26
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/mudflapsmartini/thisissofuckinhilarious.jpg

Funny, in a sad, sick sort of way.
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 08:27
and we will keep on winning.

Not really. The Western era is over.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:30
Not really. The Western era is over.

Now when you say Western.....
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 08:32
Now when you say Western.....

I mean Western European.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 08:32
Not really. The Western era is over.

My money says you're dead wrong.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:34
We Conquered Colonized And Forced Our Society On Every Other Culture On This Pathetic Feeble Planet We Are The Elite Powerful Race This Coloured Fag Who Made This Movie Should Hang Himself!
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:35
We Conquered Colonized And Forced Our Society On Every Other Culture On This Pathetic Feeble Planet We Are The Elite Powerful Race This Coloured Fag Who Made This Movie Should Hang Himself!

hehehe, you're kidding right?
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:35
I mean Western European.

I dunno, it's still going on pretty strong.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 08:38
The Russians are in deep trouble, their average life expectancy is appalling and their military is a shambles.

The Chinese will always stand to gain more by selling things to the west than they will fighting it.

Africa isn't going anywhere fast.

South America isn't going anywhere fast.

India could be struck down overnight by the Pakistanis, and vice versa.

The Arabs will, for the foreseeable future, rely on their business with the west to maintain the stranglehold of their elites on their seething masses of religious maniacs. If we ever stop needing their oil, they are finished. Forever.

Western Europe with its extension in the US and Canada will remain hegemon of the world for the foreseeable future.

This is because of the centuries of advantages we've had. We made everyone else our instrument and our resource, and they are all still recovering from it while we are still soaring on those stolen wings.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:40
hehehe, you're kidding right?

NO IM FUCKING SERIOUS YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 08:40
Give it up.

http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2006/2/16/scientistIsolatesSingleSkinColorGene
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 08:41
How do you offend a white person?

"You... white devil... snowman! cracker!"
*looks at backs of hands * SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... cultural imperialist..."
*looks how everyone speaks european languages everywhere* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... economic exploiter! Natural resource thief!"
*looks at money* SCORE! *GRIN*

"you... mistreater! anthropologist bigot! eurocentrist!"
*looks at academia, history museums filled with nifty indigenous stuff in european- and european colonial cities" SCORE! *GRIN*


You can make white people feel ashamed, but you can't offend them, because we always win, and we've been winning for a long long time.

Fuck that. Speak for yourself. You can offend a white person. For example, by harping on about this sorta ethnic supremacy BS. It's offensive to my intellect.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 08:41
NO IM FUCKING SERIOUS YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT

Hope you enjoyed your time here. Nice meeting you.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 08:42
Fuck that. Speak for yourself. You can offend a white person. For example, by harping on about this sorta ethnic supremacy BS. It's offensive to my intellect.

Nothing in my post about "ethnic supremacy"
All statements there are facts with clear, non-ethnic, geographically determined causes. See, say, Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel."

Try again.

ETA:
To offend someone you need to more or less make jokes at their expense, to make them feel inferior.

With the immense socio-political-economical advantages almost all whites are born into, this is no easy task.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:43
Hope you enjoyed your time here. Nice meeting you.

:upyours:
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 08:44
We Conquered Colonized And Forced Our Society On Every Other Culture On This Pathetic Feeble Planet We Are The Elite Powerful Race This Coloured Fag Who Made This Movie Should Hang Himself!

What's this "we" crap? You didn't do jack shit.

This is what I hate about racialism, it means retards like you start taking credit for the works of Beethoven. You had nothing to do with it; Beethoven being white had nothing to do with it, but you take credit for it anyway.

Racists are intellectually dishonest; they are plagiarists who discredit the work of an individual by claiming it's the work of Race.

You are collectivists; communists, even. You believe in a human hive-mind and you attack the individual; you attack liberty.

You are Anti-American and people like you should never have been shat out to begin with.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:44
NO IM FUCKING SERIOUS YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT

Ich werde nicht erlauben, dass irgendjemand an mir in jener Mode schreit. Ich denke, dass Sie besser Ihren Kopf aus Ihrem Esel erhalten. Bitte fordere ich Sie heraus, zu Oktoberfest zu gehen, und die Deutsch dort zu erzählen, dass ihre Kultur saugt. Ich fordere Sie, Sie dumme kleine Muschi heraus. Sie werden nicht, weil Sie nur denken, weil der einzige Weg, den Sie „tapfer“ sein können, durch das Internet ist.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:44
Nothing in my post about "ethnic supremacy"
All statements there are facts with clear, non-ethnic, geographically determined causes. See, say, Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel."

Try again.

So true, so true
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 08:46
Nothing in my post about "ethnic supremacy"
All statements there are facts with clear, non-ethnic, geographically determined causes. See, say, Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel."

Try again.

I've read that book, and nowhere in it is it stated that it's impossible to offend a white person.

Try again.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 08:47
:upyours:

:)
New Granada
10-01-2007, 08:47
I've read that book, and nowhere in it is it stated that it's impossible to offend a white person.

Try again.

Where did I post "Guns Germs and Steel says its impossible to offend a white person" ?

Tell me and I'll give you five hundred dollars.

Meanwhile, become honest and respond to things that are posted.

Clearly, as any reasonable adult could understand, I posted the reference to GG&S as part of my mention of geographical, non-ethnic determinism as a response to your unfounded, dishonest, slanderous, repugnant implication that I invoked any notion of "ethnic superiority."
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 08:49
Ich werde nicht erlauben, dass irgendjemand an mir in jener Mode schreit. Ich denke, dass Sie besser Ihren Kopf aus Ihrem Esel erhalten. Bitte fordere ich Sie heraus, zu Oktoberfest zu gehen, und die Deutsch dort zu erzählen, dass ihre Kultur saugt. Ich fordere Sie, Sie dumme kleine Muschi heraus. Sie werden nicht, weil Sie nur denken, weil der einzige Weg, den Sie „tapfer“ sein können, durch das Internet ist.

Translation? :confused:
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 08:51
I dunno, it's still going on pretty strong.

Oh please. Europeans are either old or dead, the US is tearing itself apart, and nobody's actually realising that there's a problem.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:51
What's this "we" crap? You didn't do jack shit.

This is what I hate about racialism, it means retards like you start taking credit for the works of Beethoven. You had nothing to do with it; Beethoven being white had nothing to do with it, but you take credit for it anyway.

Racists are intellectually dishonest; they are plagiarists who discredit the work of an individual by claiming it's the work of Race.

You are collectivists; communists, even. You believe in a human hive-mind and you attack the individual; you attack liberty.

You are Anti-American and people like you should never have been shat out to begin with.

EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THE TRUTH!!! WHITE EUROPEAN MAN HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THIS PLANET THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF MAN AND THAT IS FACT!!! AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, I HATE COMMUNISTS AND THE THOUGHT OF 'EQUALITY'. EQUALITY PRODUCES WEAKNESS. I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN EITHER AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION!

THE FACT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THE WHITE RACE HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MORE THAN OF ANY OTHER RACES ON THIS PLANET.
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:52
Ich werde nicht erlauben, dass irgendjemand an mir in jener Mode schreit. Ich denke, dass Sie besser Ihren Kopf aus Ihrem Esel erhalten. Bitte fordere ich Sie heraus, zu Oktoberfest zu gehen, und die Deutsch dort zu erzählen, dass ihre Kultur saugt. Ich fordere Sie, Sie dumme kleine Muschi heraus. Sie werden nicht, weil Sie nur denken, weil der einzige Weg, den Sie „tapfer“ sein können, durch das Internet ist.Ugh... Not Babeldeutsch...
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:52
EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THE TRUTH!!! WHITE EUROPEAN MAN HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THIS PLANET THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF MAN AND THAT IS FACT!!! AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, I HATE COMMUNISTS AND THE THOUGHT OF 'EQUALITY'. EQUALITY PRODUCES WEAKNESS. I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN EITHER AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION!

THE FACT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THE WHITE RACE HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MORE THAN OF ANY OTHER RACES ON THIS PLANET.

Yay a new troll! Can we keep him mods please? We promise to feed, water, and play with him everyday! Please?!
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 08:53
Where did I post "Guns Germs and Steel says its impossible to offend a white person" ?


I really hate this nonsense where you conveniently forget something and then I have to repeat it.

You said,

All statements there are facts with clear, non-ethnic, geographically determined causes. See, say, Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel."


In defense of your post,

You can make white people feel ashamed, but you can't offend them, because we always win, and we've been winning for a long long time.

Now that we've had a little review session, I'm sure you can add two and two together without help from me.


Meanwhile, become honest and respond to things that are posted.

I am being fucking honest, and I'm also fucking responding to what you posted.

Why don't YOU be honest? You're being racist. You're projecting. You're saying that white people have it so good it's impossible to be racist towards them or offend them racially, but what you mean is it's impossible for YOU. Well, you're not me, no matter what color our skin may be, so don't go around speaking for the entire "white race" with this "we" crap.
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:53
Oh please. Europeans are either old or dead, the US is tearing itself apart, and nobody's actually realising that there's a problem.We bow to your mighty powers of perception that allow you so much insight from the other side of the planet, as far removed as possible from what you are actually talking about.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 08:53
EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THE TRUTH!!! WHITE EUROPEAN MAN HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THIS PLANET THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF MAN AND THAT IS FACT!!! AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, I HATE COMMUNISTS AND THE THOUGHT OF 'EQUALITY'. EQUALITY PRODUCES WEAKNESS. I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN EITHER AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION!

THE FACT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THE WHITE RACE HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MORE THAN OF ANY OTHER RACES ON THIS PLANET.

How do you feel about black communists?
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 08:54
Yay a new troll! Can we keep him mods please? We promise to feed, water, and play with him everyday! Please?!

If he makes a mess on the carpet, you clean it up! :eek:


I kid. ;)
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:54
Translation? :confused:

It's insulting him in a different language, it's kind of fun because he's or anyone has any clue on what I've said. Racist assholes can be fun. :D
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 08:54
EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THE TRUTH!!! WHITE EUROPEAN MAN HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THIS PLANET THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF MAN AND THAT IS FACT!!! AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, I HATE COMMUNISTS AND THE THOUGHT OF 'EQUALITY'. EQUALITY PRODUCES WEAKNESS. I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN EITHER AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION!

THE FACT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THE WHITE RACE HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MORE THAN OF ANY OTHER RACES ON THIS PLANET.

OH WELL MAYBE IF YOU TYPE THAT IN CAPITAL LETTERS THAT WILL MAKE UP FOR YOUR LACK OF LOGIC, REASON, CONSISTENCY, KNOWLEDGE AND SANITY.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:55
If he makes a mess on the carpet, you clean it up! :eek:


I kid. ;)

OK!
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:55
Yay a new troll! Can we keep him mods please? We promise to feed, water, and play with him everyday! Please?!He started his carreer with flaming. Chances are, he's a reincarnation of someone with a record, perchance even a DoS. Time will tell.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:56
Yay a new troll! Can we keep him mods please? We promise to feed, water, and play with him everyday! Please?!

WTF IS A TROLL? YOU ARE A NERD WHO HAS ADOPTED THE LANGUAGE TRAITS OF YOUR OTHER DEFEATED AND FEEBLE BRETHEREN. HAVE FUN DYING A VIRGIN (FAT CHICKS DONT COUNT)
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:56
It's insulting him in a different language, it's kind of fun because he's or anyone has any clue on what I've said. Racist assholes can be fun. :DI do have a clue. It's not too hard to figure out what you tried to say.
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 08:56
OH WELL MAYBE IF YOU TYPE THAT IN CAPITAL LETTERS THAT WILL MAKE UP FOR YOUR LACK OF LOGIC, REASON, CONSISTENCY, KNOWLEDGE AND SANITY.

You win the thread. :)
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 08:57
WTF IS A TROLL? YOU ARE A NERD WHO HAS ADOPTED THE LANGUAGE TRAITS OF YOUR OTHER DEFEATED AND FEEBLE BRETHEREN. HAVE FUN DYING A VIRGIN (FAT CHICKS DONT COUNT)

You just got rocked by a troll, Wilgrove. There is no way you are ever going to be able to come back from this death blow to your reputation.
Laerod
10-01-2007, 08:58
WTF IS A TROLL? YOU ARE A NERD WHO HAS ADOPTED THE LANGUAGE TRAITS OF YOUR OTHER DEFEATED AND FEEBLE BRETHEREN. HAVE FUN DYING A VIRGIN (FAT CHICKS DONT COUNT)There's this thing called the one stop rules shop, which is found in the stickies of the General Forum... actually, probably every forum. That you haven't read them to find out the relevant definition explains why you think flaming is acceptable.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 08:58
WTF IS A TROLL? YOU ARE A NERD WHO HAS ADOPTED THE LANGUAGE TRAITS OF YOUR OTHER DEFEATED AND FEEBLE BRETHEREN. HAVE FUN DYING A VIRGIN (FAT CHICKS DONT COUNT)

How do you feel about Catholics, Germans, and mountain folks? I'm just curious.

and FYI I am a virgin, but by choice.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 08:59
I Have No More Time To Waste On You Senseless Nerds
New Granada
10-01-2007, 09:00
I really hate this nonsense where you conveniently forget something and then I have to repeat it.

You said,

In defense of your post,

Now that we've had a little review session, I'm sure you can add two and two together without help from me.

I am being fucking honest, and I'm also fucking responding to what you posted.

Why don't YOU be honest? You're being racist. You're projecting. You're saying that white people have it so good it's impossible to be racist towards them or offend them racially, but what you mean is it's impossible for YOU. Well, you're not me, no matter what color our skin may be, so don't go around speaking for the entire "white race" with this "we" crap.


No statements I made implied any "ethnic superiority" of white people, they only referred to facts about history and the state of things that give white people an advantage over most other people.

If you misunderstood that, you ought to have said "New Granada, I dont understand what you mean, are you trying to say that white people have ethnic superiority to non-white people?"

I consider, in reference to your last outburst of defamatory, repugant, despicable, dishonest personal attack, that what I posted originally stands.

A white person can (in general, of course, there are wacky outliers in every population) not be offended in the sense that a black person could by "******" or "spear-chucking mud hut jungle bunny" or a chinese person by "coolie" or "chink" or a mexican by "spic" or a jew by "kike."

These offenses all relate to reopening old wounds, they equate to a person being kicked while he's wounded and on the ground. It is offensive for a white person to be a racist against a non-white because those remarks are a low-blow.

Whites have done enough harm to the rest that racist invective is cowardly.
Racist epithets by whites are essentially undeserved, which lends them their ugliness.

Attemps to offend whites though must almost necessarily come more in the form of shaming for actual wrongs, which isnt offensive in the same way that low-blow attacks on people in already made victims are.
Ikfaldu
10-01-2007, 09:01
How do you feel about Catholics, Germans, and mountain folks? I'm just curious.

and FYI I am a virgin, but by choice.

I AM A PART OF THE SUPERIOR RACE, THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK ALL OTHER RACES SHOULD BE KILLED BY US!!! STOP ATTACHING THESE FUCKING STEREOTYPES TO ME IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THAT TINY FEELING YOU GET IN YOUR UNDIES WHEN YOU QUIP ME!!!

WTF DOES RELIGION HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? MOUNTAIN FOLKS WTF??? WE DONT LIVE IN MIDDLE EARTH IDIOT. GERMANS??? THEYRE WHITE ARENT THEY SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!
Laerod
10-01-2007, 09:04
GERMANS??? THEYRE WHITE ARENT THEY SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!No, I don't.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 09:05
Things I've learned:

1. This is not Middle Earth.
2. I'd be an idiot for thinking so.
3. Germans are white.
4. I'm white. I know how Germans feel.
5. I'm part of a superior race. I shouldn't kill anybody because of this.
6. I get feelings in my underpants when I quip people.
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 09:07
Things I've learned:

1. This is not Middle Earth.
2. I'd be an idiot for thinking so.
3. Germans are white.
4. I'm white. I know how Germans feel.
5. I'm part of a superior race. I shouldn't kill anybody because of this.
6. I get feelings in my underpants when I quip people.

Are we being quizzed on this? :p
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:07
I AM A PART OF THE SUPERIOR RACE, THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK ALL OTHER RACES SHOULD BE KILLED BY US!!! STOP ATTACHING THESE FUCKING STEREOTYPES TO ME IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THAT TINY FEELING YOU GET IN YOUR UNDIES WHEN YOU QUIP ME!!!

So you basically believe that you're greater than any other race in the world right? Also, by the by, in case you haven't notice, everything that was invented by everyone is important. You might want to look at just what been invented by black people.

http://www.ritesofpassage.org/inventors.htmn

So far you do fit the stereotype of every racist asshole, at least the one I've met. Tell me, does your mommy washes your sheets for you? Does your daddy hold your hand when you light the cross on fire?

WTF DOES RELIGION HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? MOUNTAIN FOLKS WTF??? WE DONT LIVE IN MIDDLE EARTH IDIOT. GERMANS??? THEYRE WHITE ARENT THEY SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!

There are alot of Germans who aren't white.
Isselmere
10-01-2007, 09:08
Race is an unscientific concept. Humans originated in Africa. Many achievements we still enjoy emerged from the Near East, North Africa, and Asia. Superior? Read a decent book on evolution and then some proper history books. You'll find this supposed superiority is entirely unfounded.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 09:09
Are we being quizzed on this? :p

Yes. There is an essay on quipping people and the feelings you get in your panties.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:10
Yes. There is an essay on quipping people and the feelings you get in your panties.

I wear boxers.
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 09:11
Yes. There is an essay on quipping people and the feelings you get in your panties.

Hehe. I'd better start taking notes. :D
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 09:11
I wear boxers.

Put on some panties and quip somebody or fail.
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:12
Put on some panties and quip somebody or fail.

What the hell is quiping?
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 09:13
What the hell is quiping?

Being a smart alec? If you haven't studied, how can you expect to pass?
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:14
Being a smart alec? If you haven't studied, how can you expect to pass?

By having sex with the teachers?
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 09:15
By having sex with the teachers?

....


i dont wanna be a teacher anymore....
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:15
....


i dont wanna be a teacher anymore....

ROFLCOPTER!
Laerod
10-01-2007, 09:17
By having sex with the teachers?Virgin by choice, huh?
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 09:18
Virgin by choice, huh?

Yep. :D
Nodinia
10-01-2007, 09:33
I AM A PART OF THE SUPERIOR RACE, THIS DOESNT MEAN I THINK ALL OTHER RACES SHOULD BE KILLED BY US!!! STOP ATTACHING THESE FUCKING STEREOTYPES TO ME IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THAT TINY FEELING YOU GET IN YOUR UNDIES WHEN YOU QUIP ME!!!

WTF DOES RELIGION HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING??? MOUNTAIN FOLKS WTF??? WE DONT LIVE IN MIDDLE EARTH IDIOT. GERMANS??? THEYRE WHITE ARENT THEY SO YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!

If you are playing the part of a "caps lock on and proud" white power type, I'd advise making that all one paragraph,using excessive and dodgy punctuation/exclamations, and worse spelling. Just a tip.
Greendays ville
10-01-2007, 09:42
Firstly there is heaps of different kinds of white people if ur boiling it down to english speaking people there are generaly three kinds English, Australian and American but if u do that u have to say italian people ,german people, the greeks are all not white which is crap... and cocasions have never realy been boiled down to there own catagory so when u say are white people funny u gotta elaborate... secondly fuck that what ever happend to good old diversety u cant tell me that that a rich "white" guy and a poor one who grew up in a bad neibourghood are just as funny as each other.
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 10:10
There are alot of Germans who aren't white.

They're not German, they just live in Germany. If I wanted to, I could be fucking Chinese.
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 10:18
They're not German, they just live in Germany. If I wanted to, I could be fucking Chinese.

But would the Chinese want to be fucking you?
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 10:22
But would the Chinese want to be fucking you?

Zing!
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 10:26
But would the Chinese want to be fucking you?

ROFL! 10!!!
Wilgrove
10-01-2007, 10:27
They're not German, they just live in Germany. If I wanted to, I could be fucking Chinese.

So, in order to be German you have to be white? Bullshit, If you were born in Germany, regardless of race, you are German.
Free Soviets
10-01-2007, 10:31
They're not German, they just live in Germany.

so what exactly makes one german? some particular set of genetic mutations?
Non Aligned States
10-01-2007, 10:32
You can make white people feel ashamed, but you can't offend them, because we always win, and we've been winning for a long long time.

From a historical perspective, white people only won a game, not the seasonal.

In the end, the cockroaches win.
Congo--Kinshasa
10-01-2007, 10:48
In the end, the cockroaches win.

Fuck the roaches! (Not literally, of course.) :mad:
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 10:54
So, in order to be German you have to be white? Bullshit, If you were born in Germany, regardless of race, you are German.

No.
Hamilay
10-01-2007, 11:00
No.
Would you consider yourself British? After all, you are of the same race as the majority of Britons... :rolleyes:
The Potato Factory
10-01-2007, 11:02
Would you consider yourself British? After all, you are of the same race as the majority of Britons... :rolleyes:

No, I consider the British to be Germans.
Hamilay
10-01-2007, 11:04
No, I consider the British to be Germans.
So you're basically saying that if a (white) Briton claimed that they were German, it would be an accurate statement?

What the hell?
Saxnot
10-01-2007, 11:06
No, I consider the British to be Germans.

The English, perhaps. The British includes a very large number of Celts. We've got Norman blood in there and all... It's quite a mix. The myth of us all being pureblood Anglo-Saxons is just that. A myth.
Skinny87
10-01-2007, 11:10
So you're basically saying that if a (white) Briton claimed that they were German, it would be an accurate statement?

What the hell?

Oh god, don't start him off. He's an Aussie who thinks he's German because he has Germanic blood or something...

Despite being born in Australia...
Cullons
10-01-2007, 11:17
i love all this race stuff...
Call to power
10-01-2007, 11:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vasxnC78Go

*dances like its 1879*
Oeck
10-01-2007, 12:06
Ich werde nicht erlauben, dass irgendjemand an mir in jener Mode schreit. Ich denke, dass Sie besser Ihren Kopf aus Ihrem Esel erhalten. Bitte fordere ich Sie heraus, zu Oktoberfest zu gehen, und die Deutsch dort zu erzählen, dass ihre Kultur saugt. Ich fordere Sie, Sie dumme kleine Muschi heraus. Sie werden nicht, weil Sie nur denken, weil der einzige Weg, den Sie „tapfer“ sein können, durch das Internet ist.

It's insulting him in a different language,
I wouldn't say that's a 'language' you sent on display there.

it's kind of fun because he's or anyone has any clue on what I've said.
I must assume that includes you.
Racist assholes can be fun. :D

Replying to cognitively challenged trolls with an oh so haughty and intellectual mess of garbled Babelgerman must be so much more fun. I'd say you'd do much better taking your own advice and pull your own head out of your ass and consider how "brave" it is to post such replies in such a manner on the internet. Or did I just miss the day where putting "stupid little ****" into any miserable online-translater and copy-pasting it here became a distinguished, smart reply?
Cullons
10-01-2007, 12:06
anyway to cut this whole whole race argument short about german blood, celtic blood etc...

Hate to tell you guys its bullshit. Culture is one thing, the cultures are germanic, romance, celtic, etc...

The Haplogroup that is most defined as being part of the Germanics 'races' (goths, vandals, norse, etc...) is haplogroup I1A. The highest concentration of this can be found in scandinavia. Even then it does not even make up half.
The haplogroup most prevalent in western europe is R1B which appears to have been in europe since the last ice-age.

So a vast majority of people are neither germanic or celtic. and few have the relelvant genetic markers
Babelistan
10-01-2007, 12:21
Funny, in a sad, sick sort of way.

nope plain Fun-ny
Ariddia
10-01-2007, 12:50
The film sounds great. Perhaps it'll help white people realising that being white is not the "norm", and that Inuits and others can view whites as being different too.

Not to mention help people have a long hard think about how Inuits have been viewed.

If ever this is available in France I'll probably watch it.
Cullons
10-01-2007, 12:55
The film sounds great. Perhaps it'll help white people realising that being white is not the "norm", and that Inuits and others can view whites as being different too.

Not to mention help people have a long hard think about how Inuits have been viewed.

If ever this is available in France I'll probably watch it.

"whites"? don't you mean canadians?

not all white people are the same you know? :D
Ariddia
10-01-2007, 12:55
Oh, and this reminds me of a short Australian film I once saw: BabaKiueria (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166032/).
Ariddia
10-01-2007, 12:56
"whites"? don't you mean canadians?

not all white people are the same you know? :D

Canadians? Don't you mean white Canadians?

Not all Canadians are the same, you know. :p
Cullons
10-01-2007, 12:58
Canadians? Don't you mean white Canadians?

Not all Canadians are the same, you know. :p

White canadians? Don't you mean quebecoi (sp?), anglo-saxons canadians, etc..??

not all...

actually i'm going to stop now if not this could go on for a LONG time.:)
Letila
10-01-2007, 16:48
What's this "we" crap? You didn't do jack shit.

This is what I hate about racialism, it means retards like you start taking credit for the works of Beethoven. You had nothing to do with it; Beethoven being white had nothing to do with it, but you take credit for it anyway.

Racists are intellectually dishonest; they are plagiarists who discredit the work of an individual by claiming it's the work of Race.

You are collectivists; communists, even. You believe in a human hive-mind and you attack the individual; you attack liberty.

Heh, I've often tried to make pretty much that same point to the racists.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 17:13
Gotta wonder if everyone here would be laughing if the film were "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny." I'm guessing not so many.
Ariddia
10-01-2007, 17:26
Gotta wonder if everyone here would be laughing if the film were "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny." I'm guessing not so many.

You're missing the point. It is legitimate to invite the dominant group in society to take a look at its own prejudices, past and present, and satire is a good way to do that.

"Political correctness" in this instance would simply mean preventing an important issue from being raised.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 17:33
You're missing the point. It is legitimate to invite the dominant group in society to take a look at its own prejudices, past and present, and satire is a good way to do that.

"Political correctness" in this instance would simply mean preventing an important issue from being raised.

But only the dominant group? Smacks of racism to me...
Krakatao1
10-01-2007, 17:38
But only the dominant group? Smacks of racism to me...
I don't see "race" anywhere in the expression "dominant group".
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 17:39
I don't see "race" anywhere in the expression "dominant group".

No, of course not. That would've made the actual meaning of the statement too obvious.
Ariddia
10-01-2007, 17:45
But only the dominant group? Smacks of racism to me...

The dominant group is not necessarily limited to one ethnic group, but from what I gather this film looks back at practices and views held by the dominant society at a time when the latter was almost exclusively white.

Have you read the article the OP linked to? I don't think you can claim the intent is seriously racist. Rather the aim is to challenge any lingering racial prejudice in the dominant society (and make it take a look at its past), via that age-old literary process of holding up a "mirror" to it / inverting the situation (much as the film Africa Paradis does (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/culture.html), which I started another thread about).

Of course anti-white racism exists within minority groups in Western countries. But this isn't a case of it, and it would be very wrong to toss out this film for misguided "political correctness".
Neesika
10-01-2007, 18:53
Fuck that. Speak for yourself. You can offend a white person. For example, by harping on about this sorta ethnic supremacy BS. It's offensive to my intellect.
Excellent post, and excellent point. Not all 'white' people run around saying, 'we win we win, ok, little guilty, but WE WIN!!!!'

Many actually give a shit, are willing to work to make things better for EVERYONE, not just the fair-skinned.
Nodinia
10-01-2007, 18:54
But only the dominant group? Smacks of racism to me...

What about "people like you"? Would that suit?
Neesika
10-01-2007, 18:57
ETA:
To offend someone you need to more or less make jokes at their expense, to make them feel inferior. There is no need to make 'whites' feel inferior, worse, lesser than. But popping a hole in the superiority complex YOU espouse...that is definately worthwhile.

You quoted Guns, Germs and Steel...but you didn't actually seem to have read it, if you think it backs up your claims in any way. You equate socio-political-economic advantage to what...skin colour? Culture? Diamond attributes it to pure, dumb luck, with an emphasis on dumb.

It's funny, what makes white privilege so annoying is not the 'white' or even the 'privilege'. It is the firm belief of an elite few that 'white' is the rhyme and reason for the 'privilege'. Exploitation, racism, heterosexism and classism are OKAY if YOU win...but are examples of cultural inferiority in others.

All that is asked of you is to stop undervaluing everyone else in your quest to make yourself feel wonderful about being white.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 18:58
What about "people like you"? Would that suit?

Nice. :rolleyes:
Neesika
10-01-2007, 18:59
What's this "we" crap? You didn't do jack shit.

This is what I hate about racialism, it means retards like you start taking credit for the works of Beethoven. You had nothing to do with it; Beethoven being white had nothing to do with it, but you take credit for it anyway.

Racists are intellectually dishonest; they are plagiarists who discredit the work of an individual by claiming it's the work of Race.

You are collectivists; communists, even. You believe in a human hive-mind and you attack the individual; you attack liberty.

You are Anti-American and people like you should never have been shat out to begin with.

Woah woah woah! Good points about taking the credit...but please, do not demean the labels of 'communist' or 'collectivists' by applying it to racist bigots! Damn!
Call to power
10-01-2007, 19:00
Gotta wonder if everyone here would be laughing if the film were "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny." I'm guessing not so many.

I would *takes face off to reveal…Jim Davidson!*

I'm racially insensitive :)
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:00
Yay a new troll! Can we keep him mods please? We promise to feed, water, and play with him everyday! Please?!

He's not that new...but doesn't he keep getting forumbanned? I am definately familiar with the nation name.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:07
No, I consider the British to be Germans.

Hilarious :D
The Pictish Revival
10-01-2007, 19:08
"Political correctness" in this instance would simply mean preventing an important issue from being raised.

Isn't that what political correctness is all about? Glossing over real life issues by using bland, meaningless language, whilst doing absolutely nothing to sort things out.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 19:08
There is no need to make 'whites' feel inferior, worse, lesser than. But popping a whole in the superiority complex YOU espouse...that is definately worthwhile.

You quoted Guns, Germs and Steel...but you didn't actually seem to have read it, if you think it backs up your claims in any way. You equate socio-political-economic advantage to what...skin colour? Culture? Diamond attributes it to pure, dumb luck, with an emphasis on dumb.

It's funny, what makes white privilege so annoying is not the 'white' or even the 'privilege'. It is the firm belief of an elite few that 'white' is the rhyme and reason for the 'privilege'. Exploitation, racism, heterosexism and classism are OKAY if YOU win...but are examples of cultural inferiority in others.

All that is asked of you is to stop undervaluing everyone else in your quest to make yourself feel wonderful about being white.

Jesus Fucking Christ :rolleyes:

I surely meant what you posted and I bolded up there, clearly, which is especially why I posted this:

Nothing in my post about "ethnic supremacy"
All statements there are facts with clear, non-ethnic, geographically determined causes. See, say, Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel."

Try again.
.

and this:



Clearly, as any reasonable adult could understand, I posted the reference to GG&S as part of my mention of geographical, non-ethnic determinism as a response to your unfounded, dishonest, slanderous, repugnant implication that I invoked any notion of "ethnic superiority."
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
All i'm asking of you is that you pay attention.


On your second argument:
You aren't addressing at all the distinction between shaming someone, ie, a white person who has benefitted from the above listed evils, and offending someone, which is more along the lines of 'kicking him when he's down' or making low-blow attacks.

I contend that it isnt really feasible to make low-blow attacks on european and american culture because they already operate at a very distinct advantage.

I suppose the simplest form of my argument is this: You can't offend a white person about being white, by mentioning racist slanders and using racist epithets, because no term against white people can ever remind them of being beaten or servile.

Calling someone a "******" clearly equates him with a slave and a second class citizen, ditto "kike" or "spic" or "coolie."

What I mean, and what has been repeatedly misunderstood and misrepresented by the shrill and inattentive is that white people's history does not leave much room to offend them.

Shame them perhaps, but not offend.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:10
The film sounds great. Perhaps it'll help white people realising that being white is not the "norm", and that Inuits and others can view whites as being different too.

Not to mention help people have a long hard think about how Inuits have been viewed.

If ever this is available in France I'll probably watch it.

What I like about it, is that it's not mean. It's silly, in a very tongue-in-cheek way. And they cut into national film board movies doing similar, serious studies on the Inuit, and making ridiculous, racist statements about them. Sometimes, just to get people to learn a little history of how others have been treated, it's necessary to try and show them how ridiculous it would be by doing it to them.
Call to power
10-01-2007, 19:12
Isn't that what political correctness is all about? Glossing over real life issues by using bland, meaningless language, whilst doing absolutely nothing to sort things out.

I thought it was about being able to play the race card in an argument and getting millions in lawsuits :confused:

:p
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 19:12
EVERYTHING I SAID WAS THE TRUTH!!! WHITE EUROPEAN MAN HAS CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THIS PLANET THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF MAN AND THAT IS FACT!!! AND BELIEVE ME, I AM NOT A COMMUNIST, I HATE COMMUNISTS AND THE THOUGHT OF 'EQUALITY'. EQUALITY PRODUCES WEAKNESS. I AM NOT ANTI AMERICAN EITHER AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION!

THE FACT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS OF THE WHITE RACE HAVE CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MORE THAN OF ANY OTHER RACES ON THIS PLANET.

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/domesticEthug.jpg

Nice caps, too. Makes your argument all the more intelligent.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:13
Gotta wonder if everyone here would be laughing if the film were "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny." I'm guessing not so many.

That's the whole point. Look back and you will find many films with essentially that theme, but not done in a joking manner. This is out and out a parody on very real 'studies' of other cultures, as viewed through the racist and ethnocentric lens of the culture doing the studying. When you watch the foolish things done...measuring the heads of whites, seeing how they react to certain situations and making wild guesses about their motivations, it strikes you as ridiculous. But the same thing done to other people in other cultures has passed as 'science' for many years.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 19:13
Woah woah woah! Good points about taking the credit...but please, do not demean the labels of 'communist' or 'collectivists' by applying it to racist bigots! Damn!

There is a distinction between the racist we - the "we as in the superior race" - which does 'take credit' and plagiarize the work of people, and the socio-economic-cultural we.

The latter doesnt take credit for anything, but just identifies the group (in north america and other european colonies the whites) who established the first advantages and still benefit from them today.

Institutional racism in business and racism in culture helps whites advance in the US, and the longer duration of better opportunities that whites have had makes their families on average more wealthy and therefore able to get education for their kids.

Like it or not, a white person born in the US has, on average, maximal advantage compared to a black or hispanic or native person. This advantage isnt innate, of course, but based - as I already posted and certain individuals chose to ignore or could not understand - on the happy accident of european geography.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:16
But only the dominant group? Smacks of racism to me...

1 satirical movie studying 'whites' versus hundreds of racist 'studies' of Inuit culture. Hmmm. Not overwhelmingly in support of your cry of 'racism' against the dominant society. Now, blacks, Asians, etc have NOT gone around studying the Inuit, so making a movie about studying THEM would be pointless, now wouldn't it?
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:19
Isn't that what political correctness is all about? Glossing over real life issues by using bland, meaningless language, whilst doing absolutely nothing to sort things out.

Read the OP please...there is nothing bland, meaningless or PC about this movie. That's the point. But highlighting racism and ethnocentric judgements as practiced against the dominant culture, the hope is that the dominant culture will look at past practices and realise that the same problems were inherent in the various studies done on other cultures.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:25
I suppose the simplest form of my argument is this: You can't offend a white person about being white, by mentioning racist slanders and using racist epithets, because no term against white people can ever remind them of being beaten or servile.

Calling someone a "******" clearly equates him with a slave and a second class citizen, ditto "kike" or "spic" or "coolie."

What I mean, and what has been repeatedly misunderstood and misrepresented by the shrill and inattentive is that white people's history does not leave much room to offend them.

Shame them perhaps, but not offend.

Okay, I can see where you're coming from with this. But I don't really see that there is a need to demean whites for being white, in the same way that a black can be demeaned for being black. Although...I think you are glossing over some very effective terms that can offend white people, and remind them of being less than a first class citizen...'white trash' in particular, is a very effective insult, even used by one white against another. But alright, taken as a whole, no, you can't compare the slurs used against whites as having the same impact as those used against non-whites...IF you are only taking into account the meaning of those slurs from the white perspective. I won't go into that too much, but just to provide an example...calling native people 'squaws' or 'savages' pisses us off...but there is a subjective belief held by the person saying these things that being who we are is bad and savage. We do not (unless we've internalised these beliefs) have the same feeling about ourselves. So you piss us off, sure...but I don't necessarily think that you piss us off anymore than you might be pissed off being called inbred white trash.

So...hmmm...yes, I think you CAN offend white people...not by equating them with a ruling class, but by demeaning them to second class. Not all whites are privileged, educated, or elite...suggest that a white person is less than these things, and you demean him or her in a comparable way to how people of colour can be demeaned, regardless of their actual socio-economic status.
New Granada
10-01-2007, 19:37
Okay, I can see where you're coming from with this. But I don't really see that there is a need to demean whites for being white, in the same way that a black can be demeaned for being black. Although...I think you are glossing over some very effective terms that can offend white people, and remind them of being less than a first class citizen...'white trash' in particular, is a very effective insult, even used by one white against another. But alright, taken as a whole, no, you can't compare the slurs used against whites as having the same impact as those used against non-whites...IF you are only taking into account the meaning of those slurs from the white perspective. I won't go into that too much, but just to provide an example...calling native people 'squaws' or 'savages' pisses us off...but there is a subjective belief held by the person saying these things that being who we are is bad and savage. We do not (unless we've internalised these beliefs) have the same feeling about ourselves. So you piss us off, sure...but I don't necessarily think that you piss us off anymore than you might be pissed off being called inbred white trash.

So...hmmm...yes, I think you CAN offend white people...not by equating them with a ruling class, but by demeaning them to second class. Not all whites are privileged, educated, or elite...suggest that a white person is less than these things, and you demean him or her in a comparable way to how people of colour can be demeaned, regardless of their actual socio-economic status.

I agree that white trash can be offensive, but I would think it only offends people who fit the bill, and that the operative part is "trash" and not "white." White trash arent looked down upon because of being white, but because of being poor and unsophisticated.

I imagine that a movie satirizing studying white people would be funny, but I dont think it would be all that offensive. There arent too many toes to step on or raw nerves to hit.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 19:41
I agree that white trash can be offensive, but I would think it only offends people who fit the bill, and that the operative part is "trash" and not "white." White trash arent looked down upon because of being white, but because of being poor and unsophisticated. No, I don't think you're entirely right there. They are indeed looked down upon because of their colour AND being poor and unsophisticated. Other white people are disgusted by them and want to distance themselves, and the non-whites think, 'with all the advantages these people have over us, and they still fuck their cousins and live in trailerparks?'...
Gift-of-god
10-01-2007, 19:49
He's not that new...but doesn't he keep getting forumbanned? I am definately familiar with the nation name.

I thought he was a marvelous example of how white people can be funny.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 19:51
I thought he was a marvelous example of how white people can be funny.

And you're a marvelous example of how Canadian people can be funny.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:03
And you're a marvelous example of how Canadian people can be funny.Yes, I also thought his comment was amusing!

By the way...did you put that stick up your ass, or did someone else? You're working overtime here to get offended about something.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:05
Yes, I also thought his comment was amusing!

By the way...did you put that stick up your ass, or did someone else? You're working overtime here to get offended about something.

Not nearly as amusing when it's directed at Canadians, now, is it, Sin? :rolleyes:
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:07
Not nearly as amusing when it's directed at Canadians, now, is it, Sin? :rolleyes:

No, what is lacking in your comment is humour, period. That, and this underlying burr in your saddle which prevents you from making any useful additions to the topic of conversation. What you've missed is that this movie makes fun of Canadians, white Canadians in particular because they were the ones carrying out experiements on the Inuit. The movie has analysis. You...have spiteful copycat comments.

As for what Gift-of-god said, sorry, did you actually wish to defend Ikfaldu's ridiculous statements?
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:09
No, what is lacking in your comment is humour, period. That, and this underlying burr in your saddle which prevents you from making any useful additions to the topic of conversation.

No burr here really. You just seem to be lacking a little of the "what's good for the goose..."
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:12
No, what is lacking in your comment is humour, period. That, and this underlying burr in your saddle which prevents you from making any useful additions to the topic of conversation. What you've missed is that this movie makes fun of Canadians, white Canadians in particular because they were the ones carrying out experiements on the Inuit. The movie has analysis. You...have spiteful copycat comments.

As for what Gift-of-god said, sorry, did you actually wish to defend Ikfaldu's ridiculous statements?

Cripes, stop editing your post already. :rolleyes:

I'm not going to defend anyone's statements but my own.

As for the "experiements" you mention, there's a difference between experiments on a people and studying their culture. Studying a people is how we learn about them. How that can be a bad thing is beyond me.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:12
No burr here really. You just seem to be lacking a little of the "what's good for the goose..."

Not sure how your comments are vaguely comparable to an analysis of ethnocentric cultural studies.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:13
As for the "experiements" you mention, there's a difference between experiments on a people and studying their culture. Studying a people is how we learn about them. How that can be a bad thing is beyond me.

Watch the movie, and it will no longer be beyond you.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:14
Not sure how your comments are vaguely comparable to an analysis on ethnocentric cultural studies.

Ah..."ethnocentric." How very PC of you. Not surprising really.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:15
Ah..."ethnocentric." How very PC of you. Not surprising really.

*waits for you to have a point*
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:16
*waits for you to have a point*

Point already made. You chose -- not surprisingly -- to ignore it.
Nodinia
10-01-2007, 20:18
*waits for you to have a point*

You're in a for a long feckin wait.......
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:20
Point already made. You chose -- not surprisingly -- to ignore it.

Typical stance of intellectual superiority on your part.

You have made a number of statements worth ignoring. You are deliberately obfuscating the issue. You have outright stated that cultural studies could not possibly be bad. This movie proves the lie, by showing how ethnocentrism spoils the process, skewing results, and creating 'knowledge about other cultures' that is inherently flawed.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:22
You're in a for a long feckin wait.......
Yeah, his only point so far has been an attempt to offend me with the term 'PC'. But I know quite well I'm not a Tory, so...:confused: hahahahaaha...
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:24
Typical stance of intellectual superiority on your part.

Typical stance of intellectual superiority on your part. Not surprising.

You have made a number of statements worth ignoring.

Yes, because they disagree with your "position." Again, not surprising.

You are deliberately obfuscating the issue.

Not a bit.

You have outright stated that cultural studies could not possibly be bad. This movie proves the lie, by showing how ethnocentrism spoils the process, skewing results, and creating 'knowledge about other cultures' that is inherently flawed.

Proves? Excuse me, proves? You must be joking. Please tell me you're joking.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:25
Yeah, his only point so far has been an attempt to offend me with the term 'PC'. But I know quite well I'm not a Tory, so...:confused: hahahahaaha...

No Tory here either. Nice try, though.
Turquoise Days
10-01-2007, 20:27
Proves? Excuse me, proves? You must be joking. Please tell me you're joking.
Proves in this context could be used in the sense of to test.
'Proving ground'
'The exception proves the rule' = the exception tests the rule.

I make no judgement on whether it does or not.
Gift-of-god
10-01-2007, 20:28
Sorry, Cluich, but perhaps I am not the brightest crayon in the box because I can not see what your point is. Could you perhaps repeat it for me in the clearest language possible?

Thank you.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:29
Proves? Excuse me, proves? You must be joking. Please tell me you're joking.
I'm not sure why you would have so much difficulty with the concept. If I look at you, judging you from my worldview and specific set of cultural standards, and apply that worldview and set of standards to what you do, the information I will glean from your goings on will not accurately reflect what you are doing or why. For example...knowing nothing about the actual context of paper money, I could look at you, with it in your wallet, or exchanging it for goods, and make draw ridiculous conclusions about what you think about paper money, and how it is used. There was a great write up I read once about how the 'ceremony of brushing one's teeth' might be seen from someone totally unfamiliar with the process.

But seriously, see the movie. And I'm not joking, 'proves' is indeed the correct word...the thesis of this movie is widly supported even among cultural anthropologists.
Arthais101
10-01-2007, 20:30
Sorry, Cluich, but perhaps I am not the brightest crayon in the box because I can not see what your point is. Could you perhaps repeat it for me in the clearest language possible?

Thank you.

his point? Racism by white people is ok. Non white pople stereotyping racist white behaviors are, however, racist and hypocritical
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:31
Sorry, Cluich, but perhaps I am not the brightest crayon in the box because I can not see what your point is. Could you perhaps repeat it for me in the clearest language possible?

Thank you.
Yes, we dumb Canadians don't get your incredible and subtle intellect.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:31
Sorry, Cluich, but perhaps I am not the brightest crayon in the box because I can not see what your point is. Could you perhaps repeat it for me in the clearest language possible?

Thank you.

More than happy to.

As I said earlier in this thread, those who think this is funny or whatever, would most likely be going through the roof if it were directed at any people other than whites. You think a "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny" film would get any sort of positive attention? Of course not. But because this one goes after whites, it's apparently okay. It's a bullshit double standard.

That clear enough?
Kormanthor
10-01-2007, 20:32
:upyours:

My goodness ... such a potty mouth ... luckily I have just the thing ....
A Big Bar of Soap!
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:32
No Tory here either. Nice try, though.

Sorry you missed that. PC: Progressive Conservatives...it was a play on the term. It was a Canuk joke.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:32
Yes, we dumb Canadians don't get your incredible and subtle intellect.

Way to put words in my mouth, Sin. Never called Canadians dumb. Again, nice try.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:33
Sorry you missed that. PC: Progressive Conservatives...it was a play on the term. It was a Canuk joke.

Ah, my apologies then. Didn't get the ref. *blush*
Arthais101
10-01-2007, 20:33
More than happy to.

As I said earlier in this thread, those who think this is funny or whatever, would most likely be going through the roof if it were directed at any people other than whites. You think a "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny" film would get any sort of positive attention? Of course not. But because this one goes after whites, it's apparently okay. It's a bullshit double standard.

That clear enough?

the one itsy bitsy teeny tiny detail you're missing in all of this is the fact that it was directed at "non whites" for years, and if you think this kind of attitude and behavior ISN'T directed at non whites every single day, but instead of with tongue and cheek sarcasm with absolute sincerity, then you are way out of the bounds of reality.
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:34
My goodness ... such a potty mouth ... luckily I have just the thing ....
A Big Bar of Soap!

http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/photos2002/2003121112231641A.jpg

;)
Cluichstan
10-01-2007, 20:35
the one itsy bitsy teeny tiny detail you're missing in all of this is the fact that it was directed at "non whites" for years, and if you think this kind of attitude and behavior ISN'T directed at non whites every single day, but instead of with tongue and cheek sarcasm with absolute sincerity, then you are way out of the bounds of reality.

It's wrong either way.
Kormanthor
10-01-2007, 20:35
:upyours:

My goodness ... such a potty mouth ... luckily I have just the thing ....
A Big Bar of Soap! Beyond this persons potty mouth is the fact that we aren't the only ones that can be caused to get upset at certain names. So why don't you all just stop trying to cause trouble. This forum is supposed to be a game environment where anyone can have fun. So chill your selves please!
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:36
More than happy to.

As I said earlier in this thread, those who think this is funny or whatever, would most likely be going through the roof if it were directed at any people other than whites. You think a "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny" film would get any sort of positive attention? Of course not. But because this one goes after whites, it's apparently okay. It's a bullshit double standard.

That clear enough?
Clear enough, and as backwards as when you first said it. This movie points OUT the double standard, by satirising real-life studies of Inuit people as being not only culturally inappropriate, but just bad science. Doing similar things to whites yields equally useless results, and highlights how the approach taken by Canadians studying the Inuit was racist, ethnocentric, and in some ways, quite damaging.

But rather than look at this, you see 'ATTACK ON WHITES'. So...go ahead and molest that straw man, but for the love of god, do it in private!
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:37
Way to put words in my mouth, Sin. Never called Canadians dumb. Again, nice try.

Hahahahaha, you really do NEED to make everything about you, don't you? Trust me, that comment was for Gift-of-God's benefit.
Arthais101
10-01-2007, 20:37
It's wrong either way.

pointing out racism is wrong? And I thought you hated "pc" because it "glossed over real issue without actually correcting them". I thought you'd be in favor of a film that pointed out past nd present racist attitudes.

You know, just as far as it doesn't offend you to hear.
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:37
Ah, my apologies then. Didn't get the ref. *blush*

See? No need to jump to conclusions about my meaning.
Kormanthor
10-01-2007, 20:37
http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/photos2002/2003121112231641A.jpg

;)



There you go ... you beat me too it ... congrads :D
Neesika
10-01-2007, 20:40
It's wrong either way.

Except that in this movie, they aren't even remotely serious. The clips shown, making racist comments about Inuit, WERE. Just playing those clips, and remarking on the racism, would not have been nearly as effective as turning things around, and aping the 'techniques' in this way. Now, it could have been aliens doing this to any group, but it was fitting to do it this way...down to the 'western style' research centre mocking the igloo shaped research centres you'll find peppered throughout the North. And the Department of Whiteman Affairs is a direct shot at the still all-powerful Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. (now INAC)
CthulhuFhtagn
10-01-2007, 22:25
If I can find one example, would you shut the fuck up?

That poor, poor bastard. Of all the people who could have responded to his statement, he got a German.
Poliwanacraca
10-01-2007, 22:57
More than happy to.

As I said earlier in this thread, those who think this is funny or whatever, would most likely be going through the roof if it were directed at any people other than whites. You think a "Why Black People Are Funny" or "Why Arabs Are Funny" film would get any sort of positive attention? Of course not. But because this one goes after whites, it's apparently okay. It's a bullshit double standard.

That clear enough?

But, see, if the description of the movie we have here is at all accurate, it doesn't "go after whites." It "goes after" anyone who is stupid enough to think that the assorted studies white Canadians conducted on Inuits were unbiased, useful, or anything other than absurdly racist. The message the movie is attempting to convey is not "white peeple are teh stoopid LOLZ" but "Doesn't it look dumb when Inuits conduct patronizing bullshit research on white people? Well, when white people do the same to Inuits, that's just as dumb!" How you can find that message offensive is beyond me...
The Pacifist Womble
20-01-2007, 01:40
I wonder how many people are going to cry racism once they see this?
It does sound racist against white people, but I do want to see it and I think it would be a good film. I'm white, BTW.
Neesika
20-01-2007, 02:14
Gravediggage and Jolt timewarpage hooray!
Ifreann
20-01-2007, 02:18
Gravediggage and Jolt timewarpage hooray!

Maybe he posted on time but it got warped to now.
Very Large Penguin
20-01-2007, 02:59
From what you've said about that thing I've got a pretty good idea of what sort of shit it is. So I'm not even going to dignify it by clicking the link.
The Pacifist Womble
20-01-2007, 03:01
The fact that it's made by white people makes its racism more acceptable. It's like Borat. Think of how people would hate it if it wasn't a Jew who had made it.