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If you don't feel like reading through the full write-up below, here's the lowdown from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/iPhone):

iPhone is a wireless handheld device announced by Apple, Inc. CEO Steve Jobs during his keynote speech at the Macworld conference on 9 January 2007.[1] The device is a 2.5G quad band GSM and EDGE cell phone which supports push e-mail, mobile telephone, text messaging, Safari web browsing and other wireless information services. In addition, the touchscreen device also includes functionality found in the iPod series of music players, and runs a version of the Mac OS X operating system. It will come equipped with both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and a 2 megapixel camera.

There's more info on the device's official website (http://www.apple.com/iphone/).

And finally, here's the full story from the MacWorld Expo (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/09/liveupdate/index.php):

"This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half years," said Jobs. "Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything." In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and changed the computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and changed the entire music industry. "Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products of this class," said Jobs. "The first one is a widescreen iPod with touch controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The third is a breakthrough Internet communications device. These are not three separate devices. This is one device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to reinvent the phone." Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and what he called "the baby Internet."

"They're not so smart and not so easy to use. We don't want to do these," he said. "We want to do a leapfrog product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier to use. So we're going to reinvent the phone." The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus, as many smartphones do today. The device uses new technology called Multitouch. "We're going to use the best pointing device in our world," said Jobs. "We're born with 10 of them, our fingers." Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display, according to Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers gesture. "And boy, have we patented it," he added. The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. "We start with a solid foundation," he explained.

"Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a mobile device? It's got everything we need," he said. "It's got multitasking, networking, power management, awesome security and the right apps. It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to iPhone. And has let us create desktop-class applications and networking. iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, contact information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail accounts. "All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely automatically," said Jobs.

The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color screen. There's a small "Home" button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6 millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according to Jobs. On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume up and down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel digital camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod dock connector. The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that automatically deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when you raise the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense lighting conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to landscape mode.

Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related features. An iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of music, and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped the iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode, displaying album art in iTunes' "Cover Flow" mode. Jobs also showed video on the device. "We want to reinvent the phone," he reiterated. "What's the killer app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it is to make calls on phones. We want you to use contacts like never before." The iPhone can synchronize contacts from a PC or Mac, and features "Visual Voicemail." He described it as "random access voicemail" that lets you navigate directly to the voice messages you're interested in.

iPhone is a quad-band phone that operated on GSM and EDGE networks. That's the most popular international standard, said Jobs, though Apple plans to make 3G phones in the future. It also integrates Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity, and will automatically switch from a cell phone data network to Wi-Fi when it gets in range. Demonstrating the phone's ability to make calls, he touched the screen's phone icon and scrolled through his contact list, pulling up Jonathan Ive, senior vice president of industrial design. Phil Schiller then called Jobs -- visible through call waiting. Jobs pressed a "merge calls" button and then created a three way conference calling.

The iPhone's text messaging interface looks similar to iChat -- user dialogue is encased in bubbles, and a touch keyboard appears below. And the phone's photo management software enables you to use a "pinching" motion to zoom in and out of pictures. The iPhone's Internet connectivity includes HTML-capable e-mail that works with any IMAP or POP-based e-mail service. Apple has also included its Safari Web browser. Jobs called it the "first fully usable HTML browser on a phone." The same finger-pinching trick also works with Safari, to zoom in and out of images on Web pages.

Jobs said that Yahoo will offer free "push" e-mail capabilities using IMAP to all Yahoo! Mail users. "When you get a message, it'll push it right out to the phone for you," he said. The iPhone also supports Dashboard widgets, starting off with weather and stocks. "This a breakthrough Internet communicator," said Jobs. "It's the Internet in your pocket."

Following Jobs' demonstration of how the iPhone works with Google Maps -- he searched for Starbucks, zoomed in to a location and called, then jokingly ordered 4,000 lattes to go -- Google CEO Eric Schmidt joined him on stage, congratulating Jobs and Apple for the iPhone's introduction. Schmidt said that the iPhone lets companies like Apple and Google "merge without merging," combining the "brain trust" of Apple's development team and companies like google to create a "seamless environment." Jerry Yang, co-founder and CEO of Yahoo, expressed similar sentiments, and stated his hope that Yahoo's OneSearch feature will be supported on the iPhone soon. "Just think," said Yang. "It's basically like having a BlackBerry without the Exchange server." Apple is also introducing accessories for the iPhone, including stereo headphones that include a microphone and switch and a Bluetooth headset. The iPhone features a battery that lasts for five hours of talk time, video or Web page browsing, or 16 hours of audio playback.

"So what should we price it at?" Jobs mused. The price will be $499 with a two year contract for a 4GB model, or an 8GB model for $599. And it will be released in the United States in June. Jobs said Apple anticipates bringing the iPhone to Europe in the fourth calendar quarter of 2007, and Asia in 2008. Cingular, the North American cell service provider that has sold iTunes-equipped phones from Motorola, will be Apple's exclusive service partner. "They are the best and most popular network in the country," said Jobs, adding that Cingular worked with Apple to develop the Visual Voicemail technology -- "the first fruit" of their collaboration, which required the development of technology both for the phone and network.

Stan Sigman, CEO of Cingular, joined Jobs on stage and said that his company is pleased to distribute "one of the most eagerly anticipated wireless products ever. This is not an MVNO," said Sigman, referring to a Mobile Virtual Network Operation, such as Virgin Wireless, Disney Mobile, Helio and others -- companies that buy bandwidth capacity on cell service provider networks and offer added value, such as exclusive handsets or content. "It's a unique relationship that lets Apple be Apple and Cingular be Cingular."

Jobs showed a slide that estimated the market for phones to be in the vicinity of 957 million units. "In 2008 we are going to try to grab 1 percent marketshare," he said. "We think we're going to have the best product in the world."

Well, it seems the most infamous piece of vaporware is finally a reality. An expensive, sleek reality, at that.

Given the above info, do you think the iPhone will be a success on par with the iPod? Or will it flop?

it's ugly, but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.

Honestly I don't know why the Ipod is even a success. It's just an MP3 player that is rigged to use Itunes format only. Great. Sell me an MP3 player and then make sure I can only buy the songs on it from you. Where do I sign up for that?

Anyway, yeah, the phone will sell. People will end up buying it when they could get a much better phone, like a Cingular 8525 for about the same price.
EDIT: Nope it's significantly more expensive than an 8525, and it's got slower internet. Nice going Apple.

it's ugly, but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.

Yeah, probably. I myself prefer the iCecream.

i'll wait for the cheaper, better alternatives to come out. and then stick with the phone i already have.

why would anyone need that for? and how much is it going to cost?

why would anyone need that for? and how much is it going to cost?
"The price will be $499 with a two year contract for a 4GB model, or an 8GB model for $599."

No thanks. I've still got my Nokia dinosaur, and it still works. Thus, no new phone.

why would anyone need that for? and how much is it going to cost?

Five to six hundred with a two year contract depending on the model you buy.

Five to six hundred with a two year contract depending on the model you buy.

Right, and a really cool new one scheduled for just about the time we have enough people hooked. Of course, you can upgrade for another $500.

"The price will be $499 with a two year contract for a 4GB model, or an 8GB model for $599."

omg, that's extremely expensive for something that nobody really needs. ok, i'm sure it will be handy, but not really necessary, and especially not for that price. + it's kind of ugly, and to large.

omg, that's extremely expensive for something that nobody really needs. ok, i'm sure it will be handy, but not really necessary, and especially not for that price. + it's kind of ugly, and to large.

Something nobody really needs? You don't know very many teenagers, do you? :p

it's ugly, but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.

I want it..:(

Something nobody really needs? You don't know very many teenagers, do you? :p

i am 18 years old and i'm sure they will sell many of them. but it seems a little bit pointless to me.

i am 18 years old and i'm sure they will sell many of them. but it seems a little bit pointless to me.

You have obviously been brought up by wolves or wolverines or some other feral creatures. :p

How much in Euros..?
Or Sterling.. :confused:

I'm ordering one as soon as possible. :cool:

Why does everyone love apple so much. What is it? The misreported earnings, the backdated options? Why are they all cool and fluffy?

Congratulations to Apple for another great marketing program. All I care about is that I bought AAPL for about $50 a share last summer and it's up $7.48 today to $92.97.

And I thought that I got in too late.

I definitely would NOT buy such a phone. I don't even want it as present. I want a mobile phone to talk to people... maybe send an SMS or such...

You have obviously been brought up by wolves or wolverines or some other feral creatures. :p

yes, my parents are werewolves.
but yeah i don't have an MP3 player (because i'm to lazy to rip my cd's), my cellphone was for free from my friends because they couldn't reach me. and the laptop i'm typing on was also a present for my 18th birthday.
but my point is: i could use the money for things that i find way more important.

I definitely would NOT buy such a phone. I don't even want it as present. I want a mobile phone to talk to people... maybe send an SMS or such...

Here (http://regmedia.co.uk/2005/05/06/phobile.jpg).

I definitely would NOT buy such a phone. I don't even want it as present. I want a mobile phone to talk to people... maybe send an SMS or such...
Until you figure out that you want directions to somewhere, or that you want to google something or other and you aren't near your computer. I'm sure Safari does all of the internet stuff better than the Blazer browser that is installed on my Treo.

Until you figure out that you want directions to somewhere, or that you want to google something or other and you aren't near your computer. I'm sure Safari does all of the internet stuff better than the Blazer browser that is installed on my Treo.

you could always ask for directions.

you could always ask for directions.

But then you'd have to ... to ... talk to someone! :eek: A live person! :eek:

Congratulations to Apple for another great marketing program. All I care about is that I bought AAPL for about $50 a share last summer and it's up $7.48 today to $92.97.

And I thought that I got in too late.

Got to love any stock the trades at 37 times earnings. (Isn't the price target 90 for AAPL?).

nah... too unhandy, however, this one (http://www.fitage.com/) is neat.

you could always ask for directions.
I find that a map from Mapquest or Google is a lot easier to follow than the bunch of disjointed instructions that one usually gets from an uninterested bystander.

And you can check your email while out and around, among all the other normal things we do with phones. You just haven't become gadget-dependent, yet.

it's ugly, but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.

QFT


just the first sentence of that quote in the OP irritated me... like apple fucking invented the mp3 player. i bet they'll be claiming in 10 years time that apple invented the phone and "changed the world" yadda yadda shit shit bollocks...

Got to love any stock the trades at 37 times earnings. (Isn't the price target 90 for AAPL?).

I'm not much of a trader. I just try to keep money in companies that are either rock-solid dividend payers like JNJ, or safely innovative like Apple. Other than that, it's index funds.

It's shiny!

Of course, there is no chance whatsoever that I will buy one, as I'm too poor to afford anything but my veritable dinosaur of a prepaid cell phone. In the alternate universe where I have a million dollars, though, I might well get one of those little toys to play with. :)

I'm not gonna lie, I hate this one even more than I hate the rest of Apple's products (and I despise them a lot!).

Man, so much hate for Apple. Is it because of innovation? Marketing? Those silly commercials? Or is it just because they never had a General Protection Fault programmed into their OS?

I will not buy any Apple products until they clean up their act.

Man, so much hate for Apple. Is it because of innovation? Marketing? Those silly commercials? Or is it just because they never had a General Protection Fault programmed into their OS?
Maybe it's the way their asshat business practices?

I will not buy any Apple products until they clean up their act.


Maybe it's the way their asshat business practices?

Like what? Suing other companies that infringe on patents and copyrights? I guess you don't eat at McDonalds, either.

Man, so much hate for Apple. Is it because of innovation? Marketing? Those silly commercials? Or is it just because they never had a General Protection Fault programmed into their OS?

The options backdating thing could hurt them. Jobs may have to take a sabatical, because it's becoming apparent that he did lie about the whole thing.

Also, people just hate the apple fanboy thing I suppose.

Like what? Suing other companies that infringe on patents and copyrights? I guess you don't eat at McDonalds, either.

I don't support anyone who habitually has virus-like actions in their software. Such as both Quicktime and iTunes. Not to mention all their antitrust shit revolving around the iPod.

All the Apple fanboys try to ride Microsoft's ass for this kind of stuff then shove their head up Apple's ass and ignore all the shit they do because they arn't Microsoft. Elitists.

it's ugly, but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.
That was the exact thing I thought when I saw the picture.

It's ugly, too big and too expensive. $500? So that'll probably be about £500 in the UK...

But that's not my biggest complaint. This is:

"It's amazing how hard it is to make calls on phones"

Yeah. If you're A FUCKING IDIOT. :rolleyes:

This apple reacting too late to the fact that many phone makers have incorporated mp3 players to their phones. Apparently sales in iPods have been tailing off and sales in mp3 phones increasing by a proportionate amount. Apple is stupid not to have forseen this trend earlier (I was thinking that they would combine phones and mp3 players back in 2002/3), and have missed the 2006 xmas where they could have got the product out on the market and got people talking about it.

Yeah. If you're A FUCKING IDIOT. :rolleyes:

Yeah, there are just all those numbers.

This apple reacting too late to the fact that many phone makers have incorporated mp3 players to their phones. Apparently sales in iPods have been tailing off and sales in mp3 phones increasing by a proportionate amount. Apple is stupid not to have forseen this trend earlier (I was thinking that they would combine phones and mp3 players back in 2002/3), and have missed the 2006 xmas where they could have got the product out on the market and got people talking about it.

All the Apple fanboy brownnowers will buy one. Everything Apple costs and assload anyway, why not shell out $500 for a glorified phone just because it is Apple.

Yeah, there are just all those numbers.
Yep. It's even more complicated if you want to phone someone on your contacts list. I mean, scrolling down? Jeez, it's amazing mobile phones became as popular as they are.

It's ugly, too big and too expensive. $500? So that'll probably be about £500 in the UK...


No sir, that was the old way of doing things. It's all made in china, so an english peso is every bit as good as a unitedstatesman peso: and don't let them tell you otherwise!

it's ugly,

Nonsense. It has very nice lines and is unspeakably sublime in its smoothness.

but I bet stupid trendy people buy it.

It's so ugly to see people rag that which they can't afford for that very reason.

Man, so much hate for Apple. Is it because of innovation? Marketing? Those silly commercials? Or is it just because they never had a General Protection Fault programmed into their OS?

they market themselves as, and people seem to percieve them as, some kind of godly innovator that can do no wrong. when in reality the last true innovation i can see the company making was a true GUI back in the 80s for the original apple mac's.

plus to me their products look like child's playthings, or just extremely ugly at best (and yet the media seem to shit a brick every time some new apple kit is released because somehow its all "trendy"...)

they market themselves as, and people seem to percieve them as, some kind of godly innovator that can do no wrong. when in reality the last true innovation i can see the company making was a true GUI back in the 80s for the original apple mac's.

plus to me their products look like child's playthings, or just extremely ugly at best (and yet the media seem to shit a brick every time some new apple kit is released because somehow its all "trendy"...)

Actually, that innovation was stolen from Xerox-Parc in San Jose. Apple's origins are a lot like M$. They put the right parts together at the right time. But their marketing has always been the strong point. Like the 1984 commercial that introduced the Macintosh line.

It's so ugly to see people rag that which they can't afford for that very reason.

Why buy a $600 phone, when I can just buy a Playstation 3 instead.

Why buy a $600 phone, when I can just buy a Playstation 3 instead.

You just said it. A Playstation 3.

Or better yet, buy the most expensive BlackBerry on the market and Nintendo Wii.

Or better yet, buy the most expensive BlackBerry on the market and

BlackBerry and Playstation 3? You sure know how to pick the shit nuggets...

Nintendo Wii.

They are so cheap one can easily afford one and this phone.

BlackBerry and Playstation 3? You sure know how to pick the shit nuggets...



They are so cheap one can easily afford one and this phone.

why would anyone want this phone though? the only thing i can think of is that it's shiny. cd cases are shiny, i could buy 50 cds for the cost of this thing and derive far greater pleasure out of them than this gadget.

Because it holds your entire life inside!

... or something.

why would anyone want this phone though? the only thing i can think of is that it's shiny. cd cases are shiny, i could buy 50 cds for the cost of this thing and derive far greater pleasure out of them than this gadget.

I'll probably get if it's as excellent as the iPod is. I've been on the lookout for a good MP3 phone for ages and unfortunately have not been able to find a single one that could hold the smallest of candles to my iPod. If this phone manages to keep the iPod functionality and has what appears to be some very capable phone abilities, then it's a must have for me, and I bet for many, many more.

BlackBerry and Playstation 3? You sure know how to pick the shit nuggets...



They are so cheap one can easily afford one and this phone.
Look, we have an Apple fanboy brownnoser here folks.

I'll probably get if it's as excellent as the iPod is.
And that proves it.

many, many more
Many, many more elitist idiots with a penchant for burning money.

Look, we have an Apple fanboy brownnoser here folks.

As opposed to a fanboy basher? Come now. Your hypocrisy is positively pungent. Do something about it, will you.

why would anyone want this phone though? the only thing i can think of is that it's shiny. cd cases are shiny, i could buy 50 cds for the cost of this thing and derive far greater pleasure out of them than this gadget.

This is the great thing about the market. Folks like you and the pants man can turn up your noses at this device, but that doesn't mean it won't be selling faster than the cell companies can stock it.

And I'm buying and holding AAPL for the next few weeks.

As opposed to a fanboy basher? Come now. Your hypocrisy is positively pungent. Do something about it, will you.

And your fanboyism is repugnant. And your ignorant use of the word "hypocrisy" is even more so.

And that proves it.

qft

why would anyone want this phone though? the only thing i can think of is that it's shiny. cd cases are shiny, i could buy 50 cds for the cost of this thing and derive far greater pleasure out of them than this gadget.
i like the web browsing and the wifi, but frankly my PDA can do that and it cost a lot less.

Actually, that innovation was stolen from Xerox-Parc in San Jose. Apple's origins are a lot like M$. They put the right parts together at the right time. But their marketing has always been the strong point. Like the 1984 commercial that introduced the Macintosh line.

well there you go. MS, Apple, Sony... all as shit as each other (whatever the fanboys may think)

Many, many more elitist idiots with a penchant for burning money.

Oh, looky. Not only a bashing fanboy. But a bitter one as well. My, my, you're failing to convince so adeptly, it's as if it were your very goal.

And your fanboyism is repugnant.

And yours is sanctimonious.

And your ignorant use of the word "hypocrisy" is even more so.

It seems like you do not know what hypocrisy means. It's OK, no shame for you to admit it.

Oh, looky. Not only a bashing fanboy. But a bitter one as well. My, my, you're failing to convince so adeptly, it's as if it were your very goal.

Oh yes, I'm bitter because I think spending $500 for a phone ($500 with the plan inclusion price reduction mind you) is for dipshits.

And yours is sanctimonious.
That's funny because I havn't exhibited any fanboyism.

Oh, looky. Not only a bashing fanboy. But a bitter one as well. My, my, you're failing to convince so adeptly, it's as if it were your very goal.

anyone who thinks the ipod is great is a fanboy by my book, largely because they've been won over by the marketing and PR apple generates so much of so successfully. this is because the ipod is nothing fucking special.

anyone who thinks the ipod is great is a fanboy by my book, largely because they've been won over by the marketing and PR apple generates so much of so successfully. this is because the ipod is nothing fucking special.

There has to be a word that describes someone who is devoted to the condemnation of a single object. Because you are as much of a fanboy, by your actions, as anyone who engages in the evangelism of an Apple product.

Oh yes, I'm bitter because I think spending $500 for a phone ($500 with the plan inclusion price reduction mind you)

These "plans" are mostly a US aberration.

is for dipshits. That's funny because I havn't exhibited any fanboyism.

Yes, because reasonable people devoid of fanboyish deviancy are ever so prone to calling other people "dipshits" and "idots", and whatever little unimaginatively puerile, petty invective you probably strained all your capabilities to the breaking point to be able to come up with, over being favourable to a device they as bashing fanboys haven't even had a chance to test out yet, let alone be driven to such undignified and tawdry decomposure by. I must point out your general failure to convince once more.

anyone who thinks the ipod is great is a fanboy by my book

And that's what makes you an anti-Apple fanboy hypocrite, honey.

There has to be a word that describes someone who is devoted to the condemnation of a single object. Because you are as much of a fanboy, by your actions, as anyone who engages in the evangelism of an Apple product.

an anti-fanboy? antiphase to the point of being nearly identical...

yeah, i admit that i don't like apple and am an anti-apple-antifanboy... or something. however, of course, in a thread on apple my anti-apple opinions are just as valid as any other.
i stand by what i believe. apple products = nothing special. apple users = people won over by hype, PR, marketing and trendiness (as a generalisation)

And that's what makes you an anti-Apple fanboy hypocrite, honey.

where's the hypocracy? i'm calling you a fanboy. i admit i am an apple-anti-fanboy. whats the problem?

Yes, because reasonable people devoid of fanboyish deviancy are ever so prone to calling other people "dipshits" and "idots", and whatever little unimaginatively puerile, petty invective you probably strained all your capabilities to the breaking point to be able to come up with, over being favourable to a device they as bashing fanboys haven't even had a chance to test out yet, let alone be driven to such undignified and tawdry decomposure by. I must point out your general failure to convince once more.

So you now admit you neither know what hypocrisy nor fanboyism is?

where's the hypocracy? i'm calling you a fanboy. i admit i am an apple-anti-fanboy. whats the problem?

You're not anti-fanboy. You are a fanboy. You continue your hypocrisy even through your terminology, which is telling. As to your "concession" to being one, you should probably ponder the smartness of throwing bricks in a glass house whose glassy nature one claims to be aware of...

So you now admit you neither know what hypocrisy nor fanboyism is?

I know exactly what they are, as you've provided such perfect examples of them.

I want it..:(
Me too. :/

This apple reacting too late to the fact that many phone makers have incorporated mp3 players to their phones. Apparently sales in iPods have been tailing off and sales in mp3 phones increasing by a proportionate amount. Apple is stupid not to have forseen this trend earlier (I was thinking that they would combine phones and mp3 players back in 2002/3), and have missed the 2006 xmas where they could have got the product out on the market and got people talking about it.

There are several motorola cell phones with itunes in them. Motorola phones suck though, and so does itunes.

Look, we have an Apple fanboy brownnoser here folks.
Erm, so? For once I agree with him.

Many, many more elitist idiots with a penchant for burning money.
I love how people revel in criticising others for how they spend their money...

You're not anti-fanboy. You are a fanboy. You continue your hypocrisy even through your terminology, which is telling. As to your "concession" to being one, you should probably ponder the smartness of throwing bricks in a glass house whose glassy nature one claims to be aware of...

i'm a fanboy of what exactly?


i disagree with you. live with it.

I wonder if they're going to start remaking this one like they did with the iPod. An iPhone Shuffle, where you can't pick who you're going to call, or something that would actually make sense.

i'm a fanboy of what exactly?

"Not Apple". Or "Not Ipod." You see, "fanboy" is not just a noun, it's also a pathetic attempt at insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and deride those who like that which they don't like. It's classic fanboy behaviour, to go into a thread or forum dealing with the competing brand or brand they've decided to be hateful of and call others names.

i disagree with you. live with it.

Don't worry about me. I see through you quite easily.

I know exactly what they are, as you've provided such perfect examples of them.

Under the made up definitions created by a knee-jerk reactionary, vicious Apple fanboy.

I don't hate Apple because I hate Apple, it is because I have found no redeeming quality of either their hardware or software.

There are several motorola cell phones with itunes in them. Motorola phones suck though, and so does itunes.The manufacturer is still motorola, who will be getting the bulk of the profits from sales.

The first music player I ever used was iTunes, before that is was Microsoft CD player. My Dad needed an Apple to work on (they used final cut pro where he worked). Hence he had a huge HD that he could store music on as well, hence the first time I was introduced to a music player.

It has the features I can be bothered to use, so I see no reason to change. (equalizer, volume control, search, random play, album and artist categories, playlists, ratings categories, adjustable start and stop times for tracks, pause buttom, fastforward, skip to next track and crap like that. More than I want or need.

Under the made up definitions created by a knee-jerk reactionary, vicious Apple fanboy.

I don't hate Apple because I hate Apple, it is because I have found no redeeming quality of either their hardware or software.
Value is subjective. Does it not enter your mind that someone else may value the product without being a fanboy?

Under the made up definitions created by a knee-jerk reactionary, vicious Apple fanboy.

I don't hate Apple because I hate Apple, it is because I have found no redeeming quality of either their hardware or software.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12192557&postcount=76

*yawn* You're as transparent as PM.

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12192557&postcount=76

*yawn* You're as transparent as PM.

I am surprised how anything can be considered transparent with your head that far up Apple's ass.

I am surprised how anything can be considered transparent with your head that far up Apple's ass.

Thank you for proving my point exactly. Though, I'm all out of crumbs for you, so run along and retreat under your bridge until someone less perceptive of your little shtick comes along.

Thank you for proving my point exactly. Though, I'm all out of crumbs for you, so run along and retreat under your bridge until someone less perceptive of your little shtick comes along.

Fanboy knee-jerk reactionism gets tiresome.

Fucking hell, I think you've all used up the supply of the word "fanboy" for the next, oh, 10 years or so.

And, for the record, I have an iPod. Only got it recently, after having an iriver for about 2 years. It broke, I played a bit with my mates iPod, and decided I preferred it to the iriver. So I got one.

But that phone is just....pointless...

Teh_pantless_hero: You are technically, when looking at the definition of the word, a fanboy. You just happen to be an "Anti-Mac Fanboy". Does that make any sense.

Yes, well, anyways. I've seen an iPod, and I don't like it. Of course, I don't listen to music much either, but still, it still doesn't look cool, or even sound nice.

Do I hate the Macintosh company? No, I do not. They are just another business, and as such, they build there own products.

"Not Apple". Or "Not Ipod." You see, "fanboy" is not just a noun, it's also a pathetic attempt at insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and deride those who like that which they don't like. It's classic fanboy behaviour, to go into a thread or forum dealing with the competing brand or brand they've decided to be hateful of and call others names.



Don't worry about me. I see through you quite easily.

i really don't care. my calling you "fanboy" is simply one issue, and a term i rarely use, and only in this particular thread because the term was already being bantered around.
you're deflecting the issue to simply accuse me of 'namecalling'... something i don't care about. you can call me a fanboy, an anti-fanboy, whatever... i know that the ipod is nothing special, that this phone has some cool features but is nothing like the innovation the media is portraying it to be (as they do with so many apple products), and that you are clearly a fan of apple. i am not. live with it.

i am not. live with it.

Why do you keep repeating that? As if I had the intention of doing anything else. Shape up!

Wow, more technocrap from Apple. People will pay anything for shiny stuff... hhhmmmm, shiny....:rolleyes:

Wow, more technocrap from Apple. People will pay anything for shiny stuff... hhhmmmm, shiny....:rolleyes:
Wow, more trendy counter-culture verbal ejaculations?

Until you figure out that you want directions to somewhere, or that you want to google something or other and you aren't near your computer. I'm sure Safari does all of the internet stuff better than the Blazer browser that is installed on my Treo.

Spend 600 bucks or actually stop and by a 3 dollar map or ... you know talk to someone.

I am sorry I am as geeky and gagity as they come ... and if this was lets say 200 bucks with contract I would think about it ... but at that price ... no fuckin way

*steals Treo*

It aint worth me spending $1000 on.

Wow, more trendy counter-culture verbal ejaculations?

Hmmm... Actually, they are called OPINIONS. Here is a reference:


o·pin·ion /əˈpɪnyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-pin-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven't much of an opinion of him.


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[Origin: 1250–1300; ME < OF < L opīniōn- (s. of opīniō), deriv. of opīnārī to opine]


—Synonyms 1. persuasion, notion, idea, impression. Opinion, sentiment, view are terms for one's conclusion about something. An opinion is a belief or judgment that falls short of absolute conviction, certainty, or positive knowledge; it is a conclusion that certain facts, ideas, etc., are probably true or likely to prove so: political opinions; an opinion about art; In my opinion this is true. Sentiment (usually pl.) refers to a rather fixed conviction, usually based on feeling or emotion rather than reasoning: These are my sentiments. View is an estimate of something, an intellectual judgment, a critical survey based on a mental examination, particularly of a public matter: views on governmental planning.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006

Wow, more trendy counter-culture verbal ejaculations?

Why is it that the apple fans are doing the exact same things the anti-apple fans are doing ... deriding each other for being "trendy"?

I don't get it,it sounds exactly the same.

Hmmm... Actually, they are called OPINIONS.
Why do you hate freedom? <.<

Why is it that the apple fans are doing the exact same things the anti-apple fans are doing ... deriding each other for being "trendy"?

I don't get it,it sounds exactly the same.
I'm not even an Apple fan. I just get irritated by modern-day attacks on brands simply because they are brands.

It aint worth me spending $1000 on.

Same ... I mean it looks cool enough to me and has some cool features, and if I knew I would use half of them I may think about it (well if I had the money that is)

But in the end as often happens in this market (apple or not) the features I want in a device are surrounded by features I would not use in a spendy package...

Why do you hate freedom? <.<


I'm not even an Apple fan. I just get irritated by modern-day attacks on brands simply because they are brands.

Fair enough but people seem to be doing the same against those that are tired of the mac label being the end all... it just sounds so much alike I dont know it confuses me

I'll just continue to wait for a palm/phone that I can afford and like. I really want one with Windows mobile that can translate my handwriting into text without much in the way of problems. Plus right now texting and web access is too damn expensive.

Fair enough but people seem to be doing the same against those that are tired of the mac label being the end all... it just sounds so much alike I dont know it confuses me
I haven't bought a product from Apple yet to be honest, although I am impressed by what I've seen advertised on their site. I plan on giving them a try in the future.

Why do you hate freedom? <.<


I'm not even an Apple fan. I just get irritated by modern-day attacks on brands simply because they are brands.

Ugh... my O P I N I O N has nothing to do with Apple as a brand. Its just another useless toy in my view. People will buy it until the next toy comes up. If you want one get one. If not don't, I don't care. I for one will save my money for better things that suit me. Whats silly to me is how people are so aggressive at defending some mega-corporation as if they were on the payroll or something.

Oh by the way, heres a reference for you as well:

free·dom /ˈfridəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[free-duhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3. the power to determine action without restraint.
4. political or national independence.
5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom.
6. exemption from the presence of anything specified (usually fol. by from): freedom from fear.
7. the absence of or release from ties, obligations, etc.
8. ease or facility of movement or action: to enjoy the freedom of living in the country.
9. frankness of manner or speech.
10. general exemption or immunity: freedom from taxation.
11. the absence of ceremony or reserve.
12. a liberty taken.
13. a particular immunity or privilege enjoyed, as by a city or corporation: freedom to levy taxes.
14. civil liberty, as opposed to subjection to an arbitrary or despotic government.
15. the right to enjoy all the privileges or special rights of citizenship, membership, etc., in a community or the like.
16. the right to frequent, enjoy, or use at will: to have the freedom of a friend's library.
17. Philosophy. the power to exercise choice and make decisions without constraint from within or without; autonomy; self-determination. Compare necessity (def. 7).
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc.
2006.

I haven't bought a product from Apple yet to be honest, although I am impressed by what I've seen advertised on their site. I plan on giving them a try in the future.

I have been tempted enough by the mini macs

In the end they are just not my market ... I can see how they have a big draw to some people (just like MS does for some) but in the end I don't care about the automated front end and I don't really care about the package in its entirety

I like to tinker change and do weird stuff,and don't have a lot of money right now.

I am just not their demographic (I am not pre-built pc's demographic either)

Thats fine like any market there are going to be those of us that don't derive the full benefits from their design and features and don't feel like paying for things we don't use ... ehhh oh well

Teh_pantless_hero: You are technically, when looking at the definition of the word, a fanboy. You just happen to be an "Anti-Mac Fanboy". Does that make any sense.

I oppose Mac like I oppose Real Player, like I oppose MacAffee and Norton, like I am a "Anti-virus Fanboy." That definition of fanboy is patently absurd.

Meh

Why all the hate? I just got done looking through the video tour on the iPhone website (http://www.apple.com/iphone), and I have to say that it looks pretty great. It's got Google Earth built in, so you can search for local businesses and call them directly through the device. It's got an iPod built in -- I have one and love it. It's also got the whole wireless internet thing going for it, which looks much nicer and more navigable on the iPhone's widescreen than it does on any Blackberry I've seen. There's the whole "Multitouch" concept which looks cool and saves space. Not to mention the camera...

Anyway, from what I saw, it looks like a smoothly-integrated, easy-to-use blend of the most essential and useful modern devices, and it looks sleek to boot. I don't get what everybody's so up in arms about.

And for the record, I'm no Apple fanboy. The only product of theirs I've ever owned is the iPod, and it's worked quite well for me in the year or so that I've had it. I think I can recognize a good product when I see one.

I want me one of those. I went into a joy seizure when I first heard of it. BUt it's only on Cingular. :mad:

Why all the hate?

Fanboyism and non-conformist conformism.

I want me one of those. I went into a joy seizure when I first heard of it. BUt it's only on Cingular. :mad:

Buy one without a plan, or from abroad where tie-ins to networks are unpopular.

Buy one without a plan, or from abroad where tie-ins to networks are unpopular.

That would be a possibility, but Idon't have the ca$h at the moment.

That would be a possibility, but Idon't have the ca$h at the moment.

Start saving. :)

Don't do credit. Credit is evil.

Start saving. :)

Don't do credit. Credit is evil.

I agree. I'm debit all the way. Or ca$h.

More Macandtrash nonsense? Meh. It was better when I saw the same technology being produced cheaper 6 years ago. Mac is just gonna ride it's PR shite to get it bought by everyone.

Do. Not. Want.

Same ... I mean it looks cool enough to me and has some cool features, and if I knew I would use half of them I may think about it (well if I had the money that is)

But in the end as often happens in this market (apple or not) the features I want in a device are surrounded by features I would not use in a spendy package...
It's being released in New Zealand next year...

There are already phones out with gizmos similiar to this that cost about the same, one can guess that the brand and hype is worth a bit of money.

The iPhone looks no different from any other palmtop computer. Plus, it's Apple so it's bound to cost a lot more and be less interoperable than anything else.

Ok, having looked at the specs of the phone it looks like a pretty decent product. I won't be buying it as I'm a scrooge, and I don't need this flamboyant technology. Maybe when my phone breaks I might buy a new phone. i r luddite.


I still think it looks ugly though.

That phone looks like shit. I much prefer clamshell phones, or those slide ones they got now.

The iPhone looks no different from any other palmtop computer. Plus, it's Apple so it's bound to cost a lot more and be less interoperable than anything else.

And it will have a bunch of near virus-like software to make Windows machines compatible with it then Apple will pay all the companies to make dozens of iPhone only compatible devices so no one buys any of the other phones or palmtops despite they are all just as good or better and cost less than half the price.

I hope Apple gets nailed to the wall in the antitrust cases.

It's exclusive to cingular. LOLLERCAUST.

they market themselves as, and people seem to percieve them as, some kind of godly innovator that can do no wrong. when in reality the last true innovation i can see the company making was a true GUI back in the 80s for the original apple mac's.

plus to me their products look like child's playthings, or just extremely ugly at best (and yet the media seem to shit a brick every time some new apple kit is released because somehow its all "trendy"...)

Now that I think about it, the Newton was pretty innovative and, at the time, was the only real pocket-PC out there. It'd be slick if this iPhone had handwriting recognition built in.

Spend 600 bucks or actually stop and by a 3 dollar map or ... you know talk to someone.

I am sorry I am as geeky and gagity as they come ... and if this was lets say 200 bucks with contract I would think about it ... but at that price ... no fuckin way

Prices have a way of adjusting. Personally, I won't buy one either, as my Treo is sufficient. But, this Spring, these will be backorded until the end of days.

I hope Apple gets nailed to the wall in the antitrust cases.

Me too. I hate Apple. It may sound hypocritical because I have and use an iPod, but I WON that. I'd never actually go out and BUY anything from Apple.

I might get a Zune this year, if I hear only good news about it.

Me too. I hate Apple. It may sound hypocritical because I have and use an iPod, but I WON that. I'd never actually go out and BUY anything from Apple.
Why do you hate progress? <.<

Prices have a way of adjusting. Personally, I won't buy one either, as my Treo is sufficient. But, this Spring, these will be backorded until the end of days.

Agreed prices will drop but even if they are popular and back ordered why does that effect me?
I mean I dont care I have no need to be trendy ...
And baring that draw I probably wont use most of its features ...
And even when the price drops I am not going to switch from verizon so if they don't offer them to me a package through there, or make it reasonable to get one without contract then it is useless to me for the most part.

Why do you hate progress? <.<

Apple has done some unique things for sure, but a large part of their products are not so much progress as re packaged stylized versions of existant hardware in a reasonable interface

Not saying its a bad thing but its not like they embody progress as much as they like people to think

I want one so bad! :) I might need to save up all my money though, but I bet later the price will drop, just like the iPods did....I cant wait!!

Apple has done some unique things for sure, but a large part of their products are not so much progress as re packaged stylized versions of existant hardware in a reasonable interface

Not saying its a bad thing but its not like they embody progress as much as they like people to think
I was yet again being facetious. ;) Apple's products are pretty, yes, and perhaps even functional. I'll have to try them to know.

I was yet again being facetious. ;) Apple's products are pretty, yes, and perhaps even functional. I'll have to try them to know.

Fair enough I did not catch the joke :) sorry i guess with how frigging polarized this group is and how fast everyone is to bash someone they perceive on one side or another its almost more touchy then any of the religion threads (probably cause we are more used to them around here)

I am just trying to be honest, I have not used many of their gadgets but have used almost every model of their computers, at least to an extent with getting them deployed and troubleshooting on campus.