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A man in Michigan who has broken into numerous stores to steal mannequins to satisfy his fetish is facing life imprisonment under a Michigan habitual offender law.

Honestly, this guy is at worst a common thief, and mannequins are not valuable enough to justify putting thieves away for life. I get that the habitual offender law was written to deal with truly incorrigible types, but this guy is just a fetishist, he's no threat to society at large.

Anyone else think these prosecutors are a tad overzealous? Why do they go nuts like that? It can't be good for public relations for prosecutors to seek throwing the book at people, it's as crazy as those laws that allow life in prison for possession of a 50g bag of weed in some places in the US. How are these people surviving politically?

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Yeah, I tend to agree, Kat.

while stealing them was wrong, lifesentence is even wronger, especially for stealing mannequins. he should pay for the damage and maybe be fined.
i also wonder, couldn't he have bought the mannequins instead, they can't be that expensive.

in short: i agree with you.

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A man in Michigan who has broken into numerous stores to steal mannequins to satisfy his fetish is facing life imprisonment under a Michigan habitual offender law.

Honestly, this guy is at worst a common thief, and mannequins are not valuable enough to justify putting thieves away for life. I get that the habitual offender law was written to deal with truly incorrigible types, but this guy is just a fetishist, he's no threat to society at large.

Anyone else think these prosecutors are a tad overzealous? Why do they go nuts like that? It can't be good for public relations for prosecutors to seek throwing the book at people, it's as crazy as those laws that allow life in prison for possession of a 50g bag of weed in some places in the US. How are these people surviving politically?

I dunno.. 6 convictions of B&E... obviously a repeat offender. one arrest being less than a week after being let out from a previous conviction.

you have property damage, (broken windows, not the small panes, but the large store front types. plus the merchandise on the mannequin , as well as the mannequins themselves (they are not that cheap.)

the possiblity of Life is likely, but not a certainty.

if anything, the Judge might force him to seek professional help.

Repeated vandalism and apparently either no comprehension of social restrictions or really overpowering fetish compulsions... Life is generous, but an imprisonment is not, I think...

Repeated vandalism and apparently either no comprehension of social restrictions or really overpowering fetish compulsions... Life is generous, but an imprisonment is not, I think...

maybe he should receive some kind of psychological aid.

Oh, well, as long as it's not on the NHS. *snort*

Yes, you are quite right, society would benefit if he worked with a shrink. He wouldn't, necessarily, but if he kept at him and condition him to be a good, useful member of society, then society certainly would.

I wonder if he drilled out a vagina in the manequins so he could actually penetrate them? I wonder if he ever got splinters?

maybe he should receive some kind of psychological aid.

Are you serious?

Lobotomy is not an acceptable medical procedure nowadays.

he's not a criminal he's mentally ill, throwing someone in prison for life being ill is barbaric, something you expect in third world country

I wonder if he drilled out a vagina in the manequins so he could actually penetrate them? I wonder if he ever got splinters?
Maybe he drilled an asshole and a mouth as well...

I wonder if he drilled out a vagina in the manequins so he could actually penetrate them? I wonder if he ever got splinters?
considering most mannequins are fiberglass...



























oww.... :(

he's not a criminal he's mentally ill, throwing someone in prison for life being ill is barbaric, something you expect in third world country
Well, if third world countries have an effective legal and imprisonment system, it's a step in the right direction.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as being "mentally ill", only being "deviant to the social norm on mental grounds". After all, who's to say what's the right way to think?

And trying to change how his mind works if he doesn't want it is as barbaric. More so.

Even so, I think counselling to help him control his fetishes would be a useful thing for him to look into, when he gets out. If they let him out early on good behaviour, it could be on the condition that he did so.

Even so, I think counselling to help him control his fetishes would be a useful thing for him to look into, when he gets out. If they let him out early on good behaviour, it could be on the condition that he did so.

why not help him control his fetishes before locking him up? it would be less expensive for the community if it helped and probably better for him too.

why not help him control his fetishes before locking him up? it would be less expensive for the community if it helped and probably better for him too.

Psychological treatment is expensive, and usually endless. "IF" it helped is a big if.

It would have been cheaper to let him have his pick of four or five mannequins, some clothing for them, and then sent him home with his winnings.

Did the mannequins consent?


But seriously he did no harm. Sure burgulary is a charge that he should be charged on but life. Ruining a guys whole life because his sexual fantasies!

Psychological treatment is expensive, and usually endless. "IF" it helped is a big if.

It would have been cheaper to let him have his pick of four or five mannequins, some clothing for them, and then sent him home with his winnings.

or he gets a job making them. then he can probably learn to cobble one together as a hobby.

Psychological treatment is expensive, and usually endless. "IF" it helped is a big if.

It would have been cheaper to let him have his pick of four or five mannequins, some clothing for them, and then sent him home with his winnings.

pshychological treatment is probably less expensive than life sentence (althought i admit i'm not an expert on either one of them)

and it's obvious that putting him in prison didn't work either.

and yes, the last option would be the cheapest one, but couldn't he just pay for them himself, how much does a mannequin cost anyway?

pshychological treatment is probably less expensive than life sentence (althought i admit i'm not an expert on either one of them)

and it's obvious that putting him in prison didn't work either.

and yes, the last option would be the cheapest one, but couldn't he just pay for them himself, how much does a mannequin cost anyway?

Less than psychological treatment over a six month period, I am quite sure.

120 dollars for a used female mannequin

http://www.mannequinmadness.com/

why not help him control his fetishes before locking him up? it would be less expensive for the community if it helped and probably better for him too.
Mental rehabili- well, pretty much what Eve Online said, actually.
It would have been cheaper to let him have his pick of four or five mannequins, some clothing for them, and then sent him home with his winnings.
Ah, far too much like paying him to break the law, methinks... If someone tries to rob a jeweller, you don't give him a diamond necklace and tell him to go home and not do it again...
But seriously he did no harm. Sure burgulary is a charge that he should be charged on but life. Ruining a guys whole life because his sexual fantasies!
Well, if someone's sexual fantasy was to go out, chain up an unconsenting member of the opposite sex he had kidnapped from a supermarket and have her beaten until she agreed to wax his genitals, I wouldn't suggest letting him off because it was just a sexual fantasy...

Mind you, this isn't quite as serious, but still...

120 dollars for a used female mannequin

ewwwwww

Less than psychological treatment over a six month period, I am quite sure.

120 dollars for a used female mannequin

http://www.mannequinmadness.com/

what if he doesn't want a 'used' one... :p

what if he doesn't want a 'used' one... :p

Beggars can't be choosers. We'll give him a bottle of bleach, and a tin of paint.

considering most mannequins are fiberglass...



























oww.... :(

exactly, Im guessing hes working on the pleasure/pain principle like in bdsm

Well, if someone's sexual fantasy was to go out, chain up an unconsenting member of the opposite sex he had kidnapped from a supermarket and have her beaten until she agreed to wax his genitals, I wouldn't suggest letting him off because it was just a sexual fantasy...

Mind you, this isn't quite as serious, but still...

I understand where you're coming from, but the point is this particular sexual fantasy caused property damage, not potential loss of life or liberty.

I would suggest institutionalizing him for the time being and helping him work on his compulsion. Life in prison is barbaric for this type of crime. I understand he committed numerous and expensive crimes, but no one was hurt. He should be made to work and pay off his debt to the store owners while in therapy.

Therapy can help people. It's really strange to me that most people in the NS forums are anti-therapy. Perhaps there's a study in this...(I like research!)

His fetish didn't cause anything. He did. Blaming fetishism for criminal behavior negates the responsibilities of individuals and scapegoats sexuality. He is not going to prison for his fetish, but for his crimes. I don't agree that a life sentence is appropriate, but it's not really my place to judge.

A life-sentence? How's that going to improve anything, eh?

And did anyone else think of 1987's 'Mannequin' (http://imdb.com/title/tt0093493/)?

Just because this guy's fallen in love with a piece of wood, it doesn't make him a dummy. :D

Less than psychological treatment over a six month period, I am quite sure.

120 dollars for a used female mannequin

http://www.mannequinmadness.com/

ewwwwww

im so glad im not the only one who thought that lol!

I think he just likes permeneantly hard nipples. Seriously, why is it that mannequin manufacturers add nipples that you can see throw whatever clothing the store puts on them???

His fetish didn't cause anything. He did. Blaming fetishism for criminal behavior negates the responsibilities of individuals and scapegoats sexuality. He is not going to prison for his fetish, but for his crimes. I don't agree that a life sentence is appropriate, but it's not really my place to judge.

i don't think anybody has a problem with his fetish, only with the fact that it drove him to commit crimes. so maybe if he could control his fetish, he wouldn't commit crimes.
it's like locking up a drugs addict because he stole drugs from a pharmacy and release him without making sure he isn't addicted anymore.

I feel like raising money to buy a mannequin for him.

I'm sure the guy could easily go out and buy a mannequin if he wanted too. Maybe stealing it was part of his thing

I understand where you're coming from, but the point is this particular sexual fantasy caused property damage, not potential loss of life or liberty.

I would suggest institutionalizing him for the time being and helping him work on his compulsion. Life in prison is barbaric for this type of crime. I understand he committed numerous and expensive crimes, but no one was hurt. He should be made to work and pay off his debt to the store owners while in therapy.

Therapy can help people. It's really strange to me that most people in the NS forums are anti-therapy. Perhaps there's a study in this...(I like research!)
Indeed. But he wasn't imprisoned because of his sexual fetish, but because of his criminal damage. I don't think a fetish should get him special treatment, I feel he needs to take what measures he wishes to resolve his social deviancy himself.

I feel like raising money to buy a mannequin for him.how about a real doll instead of a Mannequin.

Well, evidentially he prefers shop dummies.