NationStates Jolt Archive


United States Attacked Along Southern Border

Myrmidonisia
08-01-2007, 22:54
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 22:55
1) Following them into Mexico with gropos and air support is invading Mexico and that is an act of war.

2) No one cares.
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 22:58
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?

I guess Mexico doesn't have any oil.
Myrmidonisia
08-01-2007, 22:59
1) Following them into Mexico with gropos and air support is invading Mexico and that is an act of war.

2) No one cares.

-1 I would call it defensive, after an unprovoked attack on our National Guard.

-2 That's what I think, too. It doesn't involve Xbox, or American Idol, or any of the other popular things that are easy.
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 22:59
I guess Mexico doesn't have any oil.

They have the second largest oil field in the world and are the largest exporter of oil to the US. ;)
Khadgar
08-01-2007, 23:00
I guess Mexico doesn't have any oil.

I believe Mexico has a fair bit of oil, to say nothing of their rights in the Gulf.
Farnhamia
08-01-2007, 23:00
1) Following them into Mexico with gropos and air support is invading Mexico and that is an act of war.

2) No one cares.

1) All the NG armor and air support is over in ... you know where. And whatever isn't is about to be surged over there.

2) No one cares, not even Bush. Really, he doesn't, it just sounded real good to say he was sending troops to patrol the border.
Captain pooby
08-01-2007, 23:01
1) Following them into Mexico with gropos and air support is invading Mexico and that is an act of war.

2) No one cares.

DUM DA DUM!

They already started it, so it's not an act of war. THEY committed the act of war.

2. Yes, unfortunately. It needs to be dealt with. It's pretty sad a predator didn't follow the insurgents back to their homes and then hi-fived it at two in the morning.
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:01
I believe Mexico has a fair bit of oil, to say nothing of their rights in the Gulf.

The Gulf is where their largest field is. It's in rapid decline, though.
Captain pooby
08-01-2007, 23:01
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?

Because the media wants the sheeple to see the illegals coming from across the border as "peaceful" and "law-abiding" (NOT!).
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 23:02
They have the second largest oil field in the world and are the largest exporter of oil to the US. ;)

Ah, there you have it. Why go to war for oil when you can just buy it. Pfft, guardsmen shmardsmen.
New Genoa
08-01-2007, 23:02
Obviously the rational thing to do would be to bomb Mexico City in response. That'll show dem immigrants.
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 23:03
Because the media wants the sheeple to see the illegals coming from across the border as "peaceful" and "law-abiding" (NOT!).

Sorry, attacking National Guardsmen=/=attempted illegal immigration. Try again.
Khadgar
08-01-2007, 23:03
Because the media wants the sheeple to see the illegals coming from across the border as "peaceful" and "law-abiding" (NOT!).

You know the only reason they're illegal is because the government decided they didn't want that many brown people right?
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 23:03
DUM DA DUM!

They already started it, so it's not an act of war. THEY committed the act of war.

2. Yes, unfortunately. It needs to be dealt with. It's pretty sad a predator didn't follow the insurgents back to their homes and then hi-fived it at two in the morning.

Were they under orders from the Mexican government?
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 23:04
DUM DA DUM!

They already started it, so it's not an act of war. THEY committed the act of war.

But was it the Mexican Army that did it? The article does not say.

2. Yes, unfortunately. It needs to be dealt with. It's pretty sad a predator didn't follow the insurgents back to their homes and then hi-fived it at two in the morning.

That would have provoked an international incident.
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 23:04
Obviously the rational thing to do would be to nuke Mexico in response. That'll show dem immigrants.

Fixed :D
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:04
Obviously the rational thing to do would be to bomb Mexico City in response. That'll show dem immigrants.

nah, but we should have blown the shit out of every last one of them including following them back to Juarez, which is where I bet they came from.
Siap
08-01-2007, 23:05
The border patrol will not say if any shots were fired. However, no guardsmen were injured in the incident.

I'm not sure if this qualifies as an act of war. I don't think we have the full story here.
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 23:06
You know the only reason they're illegal is because the government decided they didn't want that many brown people right?

:rolleyes:

They are illegal because they do not want to go through the process of actually becoming a legal immigrant for it is time consuming and costs money to do so.
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:06
You know the only reason they're illegal is because the government decided they didn't want that many brown people right?

If it were up to our current administration we'd just open the borders wide and let in as many "brown people" as wanted to come.
Khadgar
08-01-2007, 23:06
:rolleyes:

They are illegal because they do not want to go through the process of actually becoming a legal immigrant for it is time consuming and costs money to do so.

Also we have a very small quota of Mexicans we let in.
Coltstania
08-01-2007, 23:08
You know the only reason they're illegal is because the government decided they didn't want that many brown people right?
Or because they are people born in another sovereign nation that have come to our country without naturalization.
Iztatepopotla
08-01-2007, 23:09
Obviously the rational thing to do would be to bomb Mexico City in response. That'll show dem immigrants.

Mexico City already looks like it's been bombed. No one would notice.

Anyway, since it wasn't Mexico's government ordering the invasion, there's no reason to invade Mexico. What's needed is tough and coordinated police action on both sides of the border, or even coordinated army patrols from both countries to stop drug trafficking.

But since it's a nice little business for both countries...
Coltstania
08-01-2007, 23:10
I'm not sure if this qualifies as an act of war. I don't think we have the full story here.
It was most likely a drug cartel. If anyone noticed, the story states that the attackers came in the "drug corridor".


I'm afraid the national guard aren't the world premier fighting force, and would be easily routed by an unexpected attack, at night, while watching the border.
Cannot think of a name
08-01-2007, 23:10
DUM DA DUM!

They already started it, so it's not an act of war. THEY committed the act of war.

2. Yes, unfortunately. It needs to be dealt with. It's pretty sad a predator didn't follow the insurgents back to their homes and then hi-fived it at two in the morning.

Mexico didn't start it, it wasn't an act of war by Mexico, it wasn't the Mexican army.

Try this little tidbit on for size. Some American whatevers (drug runners, whatever) start some shit in Canada, bail quickly across the border-you think you or the American military is just going to be 'okay' with the Canadian army and air force to just start bombing away in the states? Yeah, no.

Sorry slugger, you're going to have to shelve your bloodlust on this one.
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 23:12
Also we have a very small quota of Mexicans we let in.

I would love to see your proof of that.
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:13
Mexico didn't start it, it wasn't an act of war by Mexico, it wasn't the Mexican army.

Try this little tidbit on for size. Some American whatevers (drug runners, whatever) start some shit in Canada, bail quickly across the border-you think you or the American military is just going to be 'okay' with the Canadian army and air force to just start bombing away in the states? Yeah, no.

Sorry slugger, you're going to have to shelve your bloodlust on this one.

No, but when Canada complained about it we'd find them, prosecute them and maybe even extradite them. Mexico is either unwilling or unable, probably both, to do anything about the lawlessness in it's border towns. Sending in troops to follow and kill drug runners who invade and attack border patrol or national guard troops would be a great srvice to Mexicans who live in these towns.
Drunk commies deleted
08-01-2007, 23:17
It was more likely to be drug smugglers than illegals.
Call to power
08-01-2007, 23:18
national guard troops would be a great srvice to Mexicans who live in these towns.

I wonder if they will see it that way?
The Pacifist Womble
08-01-2007, 23:19
Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?
Why not nuke everything south of the Rio Grande?
Teh_pantless_hero
08-01-2007, 23:20
-1 I would call it defensive, after an unprovoked attack on our National Guard.

Come on, I know you arn't quite that stupid.
Ifreann
08-01-2007, 23:21
No, but when Canada complained about it we'd find them, prosecute them and maybe even extradite them. Mexico is either unwilling or unable, probably both, to do anything about the lawlessness in it's border towns. Sending in troops to follow and kill drug runners who invade and attack border patrol or national guard troops would be a great srvice to Mexicans who live in these towns.

I'm sure your forces would get a welcome comprable to the one they got in Iraq.
Siap
08-01-2007, 23:22
It was most likely a drug cartel. If anyone noticed, the story states that the attackers came in the "drug corridor".


I'm afraid the national guard aren't the world premier fighting force, and would be easily routed by an unexpected attack, at night, while watching the border.

The fact that the guard won't talk about whether shots were fired or not, no one was injured, no deaths on either side were reported etc. and the "attackers" quickly retreated back to Mexico begs the question "What the hell happened there?"
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:23
I wonder if they will see it that way?

Maybe not at first, but too bad. If Mexico won't control their side of the border why should our troops and border patrol be put at risk? We know where these people come from, we know why they are here and we know who they are. I'm not saying to go take Mexican territory, but if some gun slinging drug runners attack one of our border stations we should respond in kind and kill or capture every last one of them whether the chase leads into Mexico or not. Look at the kind of terror these cartels have Mexican citizens living under.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/
Wallonochia
08-01-2007, 23:24
No, but when Canada complained about it we'd find them, prosecute them and maybe even extradite them.

Which is, more or less, what happened during the Patriot War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_War).
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:25
I'm sure your forces would get a welcome comprable to the one they got in Iraq.

I'm sure they would, too, if we overthrew their government and occupied Mexico. Thankfully, no one is advocating that.
Kryozerkia
08-01-2007, 23:25
I guess Mexico doesn't have any oil.

No... I think they don't want to hurt potential cheap labour. So they let them go.
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 23:27
Maybe not at first, but too bad. If Mexico won't control their side of the border why should our troops and border patrol be put at risk? We know where these people come from, we know why they are here and we know who they are. I'm not saying to go take Mexican territory, but if some gun slinging drug runners attack one of our border stations we should respond in kind and kill or capture every last one of them whether the chase leads into Mexico or not. Look at the kind of terror these cartels have Mexican citizens living under.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/

Hear Hear!
Iztatepopotla
08-01-2007, 23:28
The fact that the guard won't talk about whether shots were fired or not, no one was injured, no deaths on either side were reported etc. and the "attackers" quickly retreated back to Mexico begs the question "What the hell happened there?"

My guess is the drug dealers didn't know they were walking into a National Guard position, and when they realized that they went back, while the National Guard fell back when they say the drug dealers were armed, since they don't have power to arrest and are not carrying weapons anyway.

I'm sure your forces would get a welcome comprable to the one they got in Iraq.

Doubtful. In the last war most of the people didn't know what to make of the US soldiers, since they treated them better than the Mexicans. I think half the people would just run north, before the border moves back again; and the other half won't really care that much either way.

Some would fight but after a while they'd be like "meh".
Coltstania
08-01-2007, 23:35
The problem is that any action that would amount to more than a token gesture requires cooperation on two sides of the border, and there isn't. Honestly, the Mexican government doesn't give a rats back end about immigration, or drug running into America. The famously corrupt authorties help, instead of hinder, illegal immigrants in such cases.

Which is why this incident is going to remain unsolved, and why more attacks are going to happen.
Farnhamia
08-01-2007, 23:48
My guess is the drug dealers didn't know they were walking into a National Guard position, and when they realized that they went back, while the National Guard fell back when they say the drug dealers were armed, since they don't have power to arrest and are not carrying weapons anyway.



Doubtful. In the last war most of the people didn't know what to make of the US soldiers, since they treated them better than the Mexicans. I think half the people would just run north, before the border moves back again; and the other half won't really care that much either way.

Some would fight but after a while they'd be like "meh".

Wait, Bush sent unarmed National Guard troops to guard the border? Okay, even for him, that's just stupid.
The Pacifist Womble
08-01-2007, 23:53
DUM DA DUM!

They already started it, so it's not an act of war. THEY committed the act of war.

2. Yes, unfortunately. It needs to be dealt with. It's pretty sad a predator didn't follow the insurgents back to their homes and then hi-fived it at two in the morning.
Captain pooby's (and what kind of a crazy name is that anyway?) love of violence shows yet again...
Iztatepopotla
08-01-2007, 23:55
Wait, Bush sent unarmed National Guard troops to guard the border? Okay, even for him, that's just stupid.

They're there just to watch for illegal immigrants trying to cross the border. If they spot someone they just call the border patrol who goes and grabs them.
Farnhamia
08-01-2007, 23:57
They're there just to watch for illegal immigrants trying to cross the border. If they spot someone they just call the border patrol who goes and grabs them.

So they're just a glorified Neighborhood Watch contingent? Brilliant. Your tax dollars at work.
PsychoticDan
08-01-2007, 23:58
So they're just a glorified Neighborhood Watch contingent? Brilliant. Your tax dollars at work.

No shit. If it were up to me they'd have the okay to arrest and certainly to return fire.
Allegheny County 2
09-01-2007, 00:06
No shit. If it were up to me they'd have the okay to arrest and certainly to return fire.

I can hear human rights watchdog groups screaming their heads off as well as some politicians.
Ekardia
09-01-2007, 00:06
I'm afraid the national guard aren't the world premier fighting force, and would be easily routed by an unexpected attack, at night, while watching the border.

Im getting tired of people downing the guard, calling us weekend warriors and saying we aren't as good as Active Duty soldiers or even the Reserves. We get the same damn training as everyone else. While I was at Basic Training over the summer I was doing pushups with Reservists and active duty right beside me. The Reserve is almost the same thing as the National Guard except ones Federally funded and the other is State funded.

The reason why the were "so easily routed" as you called it is because their not allowed to use any force while they're patrolling the borders. They not even allowed to stop the illegals from crossing, they have to call the Border Patrol to come after them.
Shasoria
09-01-2007, 00:06
They have the second largest oil field in the world and are the largest exporter of oil to the US. ;)
No, sir, you are wrong! The largest exporter of oil to the US is Canada. Mexico held the title during their messed up 1980s, but have since pulled back on oil exports (it was something like 60% of their GDP back then) in favour of free trade of manufactured goods.
Greater Trostia
09-01-2007, 00:13
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration.

Hold up - so you think even a migration is an "invasion" by Mexico?

Perhaps it's part of a fifth column attack force to commit genocide against white Americans. This is something you believe, no?

Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

It was "overrun," but the Border Patrol won't say whether "shots were fired."

No one was injured or killed.

You calling this an invasion is like how some Nazis think that the Jews declared war on Germany, hence Germany was only defending itself...


"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Maybe because a bunch of rednecks who feel mysteriously "overwhelmed" by gunmen aren't really a casus belli nor a justification for the tanks and planes that make you feel happy.

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?

Demanding to whom? The Mexican government? Yeah, that'll work. While we're at it, we can ask the New York state government to please cut down on all those rapes and homicides.
PsychoticDan
09-01-2007, 00:15
No, sir, you are wrong! The largest exporter of oil to the US is Canada. Mexico held the title during their messed up 1980s, but have since pulled back on oil exports (it was something like 60% of their GDP back then) in favour of free trade of manufactured goods.

Okay, you're right, but barely. Point still stands.

Country Oct-06 Sep-06 YTD 2006 Oct-05 Jan - Oct 2005
CANADA 1,704 1,747 1,750 1,516 1,594
MEXICO 1,481 1,441 1,621 1,463 1,531


http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
Cannot think of a name
09-01-2007, 00:21
Maybe not at first, but too bad. If Mexico won't control their side of the border why should our troops and border patrol be put at risk?
Mostly because that's their job. It's part of why we give them such hardy vehicles and clothes that make them hard to see and stuff.
We know where these people come from, we know why they are here and we know who they are. I'm not saying to go take Mexican territory, but if some gun slinging drug runners attack one of our border stations we should respond in kind and kill or capture every last one of them whether the chase leads into Mexico or not. Look at the kind of terror these cartels have Mexican citizens living under.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/

Unfortunately, they don't have "Bad Guy" hanging on a shingle over their house and life in no way resembles an A-Team episode. Riding in on an armored and armed truck, make shift or not, and spraying bullets at the meanies isn't realistic nor is it going to work or improve the conditions of the people living there. It's a far more complex situation and one that will only be made worse by riding in like we where John Wayne or Hannibal, BA Baracus and the boys and pretending that a few good shots, well thrown gernades and a good catch phrase is going to make it all better.
Desperate Measures
09-01-2007, 00:23
This are stupid thread.
Farnhamia
09-01-2007, 00:24
This are stupid thread.

Yes, it are, and all our bases are them's. :eek:
Ifreann
09-01-2007, 00:28
Maybe not at first, but too bad. If Mexico won't control their side of the border why should our troops and border patrol be put at risk? We know where these people come from, we know why they are here and we know who they are. I'm not saying to go take Mexican territory, but if some gun slinging drug runners attack one of our border stations we should respond in kind and kill or capture every last one of them whether the chase leads into Mexico or not. Look at the kind of terror these cartels have Mexican citizens living under.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/women/juarez/
You suspect. Why should innocent Mexican civilians be put at risk by overzealous Americans crossing the border to murder suspected drug dealers of illegal immigrants.
I'm sure they would, too, if we overthrew their government and occupied Mexico. Thankfully, no one is advocating that.

An invasion is an invasion.
Gravlen
09-01-2007, 00:29
Unfortunately, they don't have "Bad Guy" hanging on a shingle
:eek: What?? You're kidding, right? I was sure that was the modus operandi for identifying the evildoers...

Oh wait. It's Mexico. So it's simple really. Just look for the boys in black hats and/or sleazy and evil-looking mustaches :)
Neu Leonstein
09-01-2007, 00:31
United States attacked in Atlanta! (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/copbriefs/entries/2007.01.02.122349.html)

:rolleyes:
PsychoticDan
09-01-2007, 00:33
Mostly because that's their job. It's part of why we give them such hardy vehicles and clothes that make them hard to see and stuff.Then we should give them the means to protect themselves.


Unfortunately, they don't have "Bad Guy" hanging on a shingle over their house and life in no way resembles an A-Team episode. Riding in on an armored and armed truck, make shift or not, and spraying bullets at the meanies isn't realistic nor is it going to work or improve the conditions of the people living there. It's a far more complex situation and one that will only be made worse by riding in like we where John Wayne or Hannibal, BA Baracus and the boys and pretending that a few good shots, well thrown gernades and a good catch phrase is going to make it all better.

Actually, we do know exactly where these people are - especially if they come running up to our troops at the border. Hell, I read this one story about a drug kingpin in Juarezwho was so blatant that he put the heads of some federalies on posts outside his own home. The border lawlessness in mexico has reached such epidemic proportions that the cartels aren't afraid to bask in the sunlight there. They don't hide like they do here. I'm not saying we should go take over Juarez or any other Mexican town, but we should be prepared, when fired at, to respond in kind and to chase these people down where ever they run. I see no proble with that and the day American criminals start making armed incursions into Mexico and firing at their cops and we do nothing to respond to it or control it I'll expect Mexico to do the same thing.

No, I don't think the world is an A-Team episode but the cartels in Mexico aren't these underground conspiracies, either. They're in plain site and they're arrogant and confidant that their own government can't or won't do anything about them. We know who they are. The Mexicans know who they are. If they come shooting we should shoot back and arrest or kill everyone who ever enters our borders with a gun for purposes of commiting crimes.
Greater Trostia
09-01-2007, 00:34
United States attacked in Atlanta! (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/copbriefs/entries/2007.01.02.122349.html)

:rolleyes:

Quick, where's the armor and air support?
PsychoticDan
09-01-2007, 00:34
You suspect. Why should innocent Mexican civilians be put at risk by overzealous Americans crossing the border to murder suspected drug dealers of illegal immigrants.


An invasion is an invasion.

If you're calling shooting back, killing and capturing people who cross our borders and attack our border patrol an invasion then they invaded first.
Greater Trostia
09-01-2007, 00:38
If you're calling shooting back, killing and capturing people who cross our borders and attack our border patrol an invasion then they invaded first.

I'd say the armed forces of one government making a hostile incursion into a foreign country constitutes an "invasion."

As a result, some drug smugglers scaring some Border Patrol does not constitute an invasion. However, our government making an attack in Mexico (without the Mexican government's support or authorization) would.
PsychoticDan
09-01-2007, 00:42
I'd say the armed forces of one government making a hostile incursion into a foreign country constitutes an "invasion."

As a result, some drug smugglers scaring some Border Patrol does not constitute an invasion. However, our government making an attack in Mexico (without the Mexican government's support or authorization) would.

I don't think there's anyone left on Earth that doesn't realize that the drug cartels in Mexico operate with considerable colusion with Mexican police and armed forces.

Look, if they want to have cartels, fine. If they want to try to smuggle drugs, fine. We can do what we need to do to stop it at our borders, but when they start shooting at our border patrol agents and National Guard we should shoot back and kill or capture anyone we can that was involved. Once teh incident is over and the people who attacked our officers are dead or in custody we leave - but I see no reason we should leave the people we ask to patrol our borders without the ability to shoot back with lethal force.
Eudeminea
09-01-2007, 01:00
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?

I'd be willing to bet that the people that attacked our guard post are drug-runners, and that this is not an immigration related incident, but a drug smuggling incident. Immigrants are too poor to aford ordinance to overpower a guard post. It also wouldn't suprise me if these drug-runners are former (or even current) mexican millitary. That would explain the dareing and the apperent tactical know-how to overrun this guard post.

This is all purely supposition on my part, but it is a plausible senario.

I think our border policies with mexico are just plain foolish. The mexican government will not play ball with us on this issue, and even encourages their citizens to migrate illegally to the US. I am in favor of immigration, but it needs to be controlled and orderly, not this confused free-for-all we seem to have on our southern border.
NERVUN
09-01-2007, 02:10
I think our border policies with mexico are just plain foolish. The mexican government will not play ball with us on this issue, and even encourages their citizens to migrate illegally to the US. I am in favor of immigration, but it needs to be controlled and orderly, not this confused free-for-all we seem to have on our southern border.
You guys do know what most illegal immigration to the US is the result of people entering with legal visas and then overstaying them, right?
Katganistan
09-01-2007, 02:15
You know the only reason they're illegal is because the government decided they didn't want that many brown people right?

No, the reason they are illegal is because they did not go through the proper legal immigration channels.

Given how many "brown people" are in the States now, this comment is frankly idiotic.
Allegheny County 2
09-01-2007, 02:16
If you're calling shooting back, killing and capturing people who cross our borders and attack our border patrol an invasion then they invaded first.

Just like Hezbollah invaded Israel precipitating the month long campaign there. Same exact damn thing.
Iztatepopotla
09-01-2007, 02:19
Most of you are assuming that the invaders attacked, shot at, and then overran the NG post. That didn't happen.

The NG spotted a group of men coming from the Mexican border. When they realized those men carried weapons they decided get out of the way. The unknown men also went back immediately upon realizing there were members of the National Guard there and obviously not wanting a confrontation.

It was not an attack or an invasion or anything similar, simply an accidental encounter between drug runners and the NG, none of whom were to eager to fight.
NERVUN
09-01-2007, 02:30
No, the reason they are illegal is because they did not go through the proper legal immigration channels.

Given how many "brown people" are in the States now, this comment is frankly idiotic.
But... but... most brown people are here illegally! (There, I'll get BOTH sides pissed off at me for that).

I will say though that I have a lot more sympathy for border runners now trying to help my wife through the legal channels. It's an expensive, time consuming, buracratic nightmare with no gurantee of sucsess, even being married to a US citizen and coming from Japan.
Sel Appa
09-01-2007, 02:35
Interesting...now when will we fully lock up the border into a DMZ and start deportation?
Ashmoria
09-01-2007, 02:42
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?

the rio grande doesnt flow through arizona.
Ashmoria
09-01-2007, 02:44
nah, but we should have blown the shit out of every last one of them including following them back to Juarez, which is where I bet they came from.

juarez is no where near arizona
NERVUN
09-01-2007, 02:46
juarez is no where near arizona
Shh... geography isn't a US strong point. ;)
Demented Hamsters
09-01-2007, 03:17
seems to me like Mexico wants Texas back after 150 years and is planning an invasion while US military is overwhelmed in Iraq.

Best thing to do is give it back to them, imo.
Saves time and money and is only fair, since it was theirs to begin with.
Allegheny County 2
09-01-2007, 03:21
seems to me like Mexico wants Texas back after 150 years and is planning an invasion while US military is overwhelmed in Iraq.

Best thing to do is give it back to them, imo.
Saves time and money and is only fair, since it was theirs to begin with.

That is not 100% correct.
Cannot think of a name
09-01-2007, 03:22
Most of you are assuming that the invaders attacked, shot at, and then overran the NG post. That didn't happen.

The NG spotted a group of men coming from the Mexican border. When they realized those men carried weapons they decided get out of the way. The unknown men also went back immediately upon realizing there were members of the National Guard there and obviously not wanting a confrontation.

It was not an attack or an invasion or anything similar, simply an accidental encounter between drug runners and the NG, none of whom were to eager to fight.
It really does sound like the National Guard did exactly what it was there for. They're there helping the Border Patrol in a limited capacity-their presence was enough to send back what is likely drug runners or whoever, really, so it seems-job well done. Pretty much over.
Cannot think of a name
09-01-2007, 03:23
That is not 100% correct.

I don't think it was 100% serious, either.
Onalos
09-01-2007, 03:34
I guess Mexico doesn't have any oil.

^^ Ha Ha :) . They do have some though. I think The U.S. did't attack because it wasn't a real soldier that shot at the National Guard.
Iztatepopotla
09-01-2007, 03:50
seems to me like Mexico wants Texas back after 150 years and is planning an invasion while US military is overwhelmed in Iraq.

Best thing to do is give it back to them, imo.
Saves time and money and is only fair, since it was theirs to begin with.

Nah, without the Houston Oilers there's no point.
Demented Hamsters
09-01-2007, 04:41
Nah, without the Houston Oilers there's no point.
You bring up a good point re: Houston.
I can't Mexico really wanting all the fatasses who live in that city, so the US might well be safe from a Mexican attack.

For now.
New Stalinberg
09-01-2007, 05:47
Good thing the 20 inch bayonet for my mosin-nagant I ordered from Ebay arrived today. :D

I live in Austin though so I guess it'l be a while before they get to me.
New Stalinberg
09-01-2007, 05:49
seems to me like Mexico wants Texas back after 150 years and is planning an invasion while US military is overwhelmed in Iraq.

Best thing to do is give it back to them, imo.
Saves time and money and is only fair, since it was theirs to begin with.

Fine by me if we leave Austin as a city state. Which I guess it kind of is anyway...
Greater Trostia
09-01-2007, 06:42
I don't think there's anyone left on Earth that doesn't realize that the drug cartels in Mexico operate with considerable colusion with Mexican police and armed forces.

That doesn't mean that drug smugglers = Mexican government = invasion.

Even if we assume these particular were indeed bribing and corrupting the Mexican government, that's a far cry from suggesting they are part of a national armed attack on the US - which is what Myrmidoniliketotroll is doing, because people like him see illegal immigrants as an invasion force.
Neo Undelia
09-01-2007, 06:53
Were they under orders from the Mexican government?
Lebonon rules apply.
Greater Trostia
09-01-2007, 06:57
Lebonon rules apply.

What are those again? Fire off a lot of rockets or artillery shells, and whoever dies is the guilty one who deserved it?
Delator
09-01-2007, 07:59
The Mexican "government" seems to be doing SO much to solve their own problems. :rolleyes:

Things will get much worse before they get better in Mexico, and they won't have anyone to blame but themselves.
I H8t you all
10-01-2007, 03:41
Q) Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

A0 Because STUPID moronic librals would get all huffy........:sniper:
CanuckHeaven
10-01-2007, 04:32
It looks like the invasion from Mexico isn't just a quiet and peaceful migration. Even though the latest (http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/borderstory0104-CR.html) in a series of attacks on our National Guard troops has barely made national news, it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site.

"The Border patrol says the attackers quickly retreated back into Mexico."

Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

Better yet, why isn't this attack leading every newscast in the country. And why aren't we demanding an end to border incursions along the Rio Grande?
Here is what really happened. The diversionary tactic allowed 324 illegals to scoot up the middle to Denver. :D

http://www.huskerjournal.com/plays/play3.gif
New Granada
10-01-2007, 06:10
The OP is a liar.

In his post, he states: "it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site."

This is a lie.

The NG are under orders to retreat at the sight of any border crossers so as to evade being seen, and to radio in the border patrol to apprehend.

They weren't 'forced' by violence, they reacted the same way they would have had the interlopers not been armed.

The liar in the OP didnt mention this becuase he was trying to give an impression of what happened contrary to what actually happened.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070108-115830-3144r.htm
Desperate Measures
10-01-2007, 06:12
Q) Why in the world didn't we follow the attackers back into Mexico with armor and air support?

A0 Because STUPID moronic librals would get all huffy........:sniper:

Don't forget the Mexicans. They would have been tiffed.
Zilam
10-01-2007, 06:43
\ Sending in troops to follow and kill drug runners who invade and attack border patrol or national guard troops would be a great srvice to Mexicans who live in these towns.

Sorry, but when it comes brown people, our military is incapable or determing innocent law abiding citizen from criminal. See also, Haditha, Iraq.
Allegheny County 2
10-01-2007, 06:45
Sorry, but when it comes brown people, our military is incapable or determing innocent law abiding citizen from criminal. See also, Haditha, Iraq.

See indictments against them.
Cannot think of a name
10-01-2007, 07:24
The OP is a liar.

In his post, he states: "it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site."

This is a lie.

The NG are under orders to retreat at the sight of any border crossers so as to evade being seen, and to radio in the border patrol to apprehend.

They weren't 'forced' by violence, they reacted the same way they would have had the interlopers not been armed.

The liar in the OP didnt mention this becuase he was trying to give an impression of what happened contrary to what actually happened.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070108-115830-3144r.htm

No surprises...
Greater Trostia
10-01-2007, 07:40
The OP is a liar.

In his post, he states: "it was violent enough to force the retreat of the Guardsmen manning the site."

This is a lie.

The NG are under orders to retreat at the sight of any border crossers so as to evade being seen, and to radio in the border patrol to apprehend.

They weren't 'forced' by violence, they reacted the same way they would have had the interlopers not been armed.

The liar in the OP didnt mention this becuase he was trying to give an impression of what happened contrary to what actually happened.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070108-115830-3144r.htm

Yeah, well Myrmidonisa has never let "facts" get in the way of a good opportunity to troll.