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War on Iraq-Pythons View.

Harlesburg
06-01-2007, 23:09
The US has spent a million dollars for every dead Iraqi - is that what they mean by value for money?

Terry Jones
Saturday January 6, 2007
The Guardian


Early this year the Bush administration is to ask Congress to approve an additional $100bn for the onerous task of making life intolerable for the Iraqis. This will bring the total spent on the White House's current obsession with war to almost $500bn - enough to have given every US citizen $1,600 each. I wonder which the voters would have gone for if given the choice: shall we (a) give every American $1,600 or (b) spend the money on bombing a country in the Middle East that doesn't use lavatory paper?

Of course, there's another thing that George Bush could have done with the money: he could have given every Iraqi $18,700. I imagine that would have reduced the threat of international terrorism somewhat. Call me old-fashioned, but I can't help thinking that giving someone $18,700 brings them round to your side more quickly than bombing the hell out of them. They could certainly buy a lot of lavatory paper with it.

In 2002 the house budget committee and the congressional budget office both guesstimated the cost of invading Iraq at approximately $50bn; $500bn seems a bit wide of the mark. What's more, with over half a million dead, it means that the world's greatest military superpower has spent a million dollars for every Iraqi killed. That can't be value for money!

So how on earth could such a vast overspend occur? After all, the US is the flagship of monetary common sense. Well, for starters, in 2003 the White House refused to allow competitive bidding for contracts in Iraq, which is odd for the champions of free enterprise. Then the White House ensured there would be no overseeing of what was spent. In the original Iraq spending bill, which earmarked the first $87bn to go down the drain, there was a provision for the general accounting office to keep a check on things, but that provision was stripped from the bill - even though the Senate had originally voted for it 97 to 0.

But what I want to know is: how do they actually spend all that money? Well the answer is: they don't. According to the website Halliburtonwatch, the Halliburton subsidiary KBR bills the US taxpayer for $50-$80 per day for labourers working for it in Iraq, but pays them only $5-$16 per day. It's the same with Halliburton. In December 2003 the US army discovered that the company had overcharged by $61m for fuel transportation and $67m for food services in Iraq.

Then there is good old-fashioned incompetence. Take the al-Fatah pipeline: KBR went through $75.7m of taxpayers' money, supposedly trying to replace a pipeline across the river Tigris that US forces had blown up. They never finished the job, but still got paid.

With all this double-dealing and incompetence, you'd expect that those responsible would have been penalised by now. But that's where the mystery deepens. Companies such as Halliburton and its subsidiaries have never had it so good. In January 2006 the Bush administration intervened in a dispute between the Pentagon and Halliburton, and agreed to pay the company $199m in disputed charges. On January 26 2006 Halliburton announced that its 2005 profits were the "best in our 86-year history". And to date KBR has received around $16bn from its contracts in Iraq.

Vice-President Dick Cheney, formerly CEO of Halliburton, has not had a bad war either. His tax returns for 2005 show that he earned $194,862 from his Halliburton stock options alone. Mind you, it's small change compared to his $36m payoff when he left the firm. Was that for his past role, or was Halliburton anticipating further services from the future vice-president of the US? Perhaps it's just as well that in 2003 the White House removed from the Iraq spending bill any provision to penalise war profiteers who defrauded US taxpayers.

Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python www.terry-jones.net
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1983865,00.html
That pretty much sums it up.
Almighty America
06-01-2007, 23:13
Terry Jones is an enemy of Cheney and God. :D
Fartsniffage
06-01-2007, 23:15
Monty Python>USA

But to be fair Monty Python>Rest of world as well.
Iztatepopotla
06-01-2007, 23:22
Iraq was better under Sudan. The should have never moved it from there. In its current position above Saudi Arabia and next to Iran is just too hot, dry and conflictive.

I wonder if there's a way to move it back.
Harlesburg
06-01-2007, 23:53
Iraq was better under Sudan. The should have never moved it from there. In its current position above Saudi Arabia and next to Iran is just too hot, dry and conflictive.

I wonder if there's a way to move it back.
A flight of African Swallows perhaps?:D
Dobbsworld
07-01-2007, 00:01
A flight of African Swallows perhaps?:D

Mr. Neutron?
Andaras Prime
07-01-2007, 00:03
Saddam is fast looking like a nice and compassionate ruler Iraq once had these days, in comparison.
Rhaomi
07-01-2007, 01:42
Yes, I'm sure that even millions of years ago when Iraq was south of Sudan, it was a better place.

Did dinosaurs experience sectarian violence? :p
Taredas
07-01-2007, 02:24
A flight of African Swallows perhaps?:D

No, no - it's got to be the Ministry of Silly Walks, or perhaps the Spanish Inquisition. :)
Call to power
07-01-2007, 02:33
Seeing as how this is NSG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRlsYud16s&mode=related&search=)
Ollieland
07-01-2007, 03:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHGOl-jfUK0&mode=related&search=
PedroTheDonkey
07-01-2007, 03:29
Yes, I'm sure that even millions of years ago when Iraq was south of Sudan, it was a better place.

Did dinosaurs experience sectarian violence? :p

Triceratops: "Fucking stegs. I say we bomb 'em"

Stegasorous: "Not if we get you first. Wankers"

Triceratops: "Oh yeah?" *bombs*

Stegasorous: "Oh yeah? Fire the shit!" *gasses*

T-Rex: "Fuck, you both. I'm going to come run things my way."

Tri&Steg: "Shit"

T-Rex: "Look how much better off you are"

Tri&Steg: *bomb each other* *bomb T-rex*

Large asteroid: *nukes*
Call to power
07-01-2007, 03:33
SNIP

to be fair they managed to make oil though :D
The Most Glorious Hack
07-01-2007, 05:34
Yeah. When I want geopolitical analysis, I turn to actors and directors. If I want to know how to write a funny movie, I'll look up Mr. Jones. His opinion on Iraq means as little as my opinion on Iraq.

But, hey, he's famous, so let's all talk about it.
Bodies Without Organs
07-01-2007, 05:46
Yeah. When I want geopolitical analysis, I turn to actors and directors.

Ad Hom much?

Mind you, there is something to be said for not trusting actors when it comes to world affairs.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/6/reagan_bonzo.jpg
Dunlaoire
07-01-2007, 05:52
Yeah. When I want geopolitical analysis, I turn to actors and directors. If I want to know how to write a funny movie, I'll look up Mr. Jones. His opinion on Iraq means as little as my opinion on Iraq.

But, hey, he's famous, so let's all talk about it.

Hear hear

The fact based and supported opinions of educated and articulate people without a political agenda are worthless in the face of majority ignorance.
Harlesburg
08-01-2007, 06:08
No, no - it's got to be the Ministry of Silly Walks, or perhaps the Spanish Inquisition. :)
John Cleese can no longer perform that act, his hip replacment doesn't agree with it.:(
The Most Glorious Hack
08-01-2007, 06:17
Ad Hom much?No, not really. Attacking his qualifications when he has none is perfectly legit. If I had written that exact article, nobody would care. It likely wouldn't have even been published, and if it had, nobody would be posting it on internet forums. The only reason anybody cares is because he's a funny actor and director, and quite possibly because he's a Python. His ability to make great movies does not necessarily translate into being worth listening to when it comes to geopolitical affairs.

If Will Friedle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Friedle) had written an article about Iraq, would anybody care? I mean, I used to watch Don't Just Sit There, but that doesn't mean he's qualified to comment on a war.

It's nothing against Terry Jones specifically, it's about the disproportionate weight people give to the opinions of celebreties.
Laerod
08-01-2007, 06:24
It's nothing against Terry Jones specifically, it's about the disproportionate weight people give to the opinions of celebreties.Is it really the disproportionate weight that people give celebrities' opinions or the relative lack thereof given to others? Mr. Jones has an elavated position to speak from, unlike you or myself. That he gets more attention doesn't mean his points are invalid, inappropriate, or less relevant.
Harlesburg
08-01-2007, 06:44
Well to be honest there is some wit in what he has written.

You know if you want to write something like that there is a place it's the opinion column of your local newspaper, if it's good enough it'll get in.
Someone will read it.
Almighty America
08-01-2007, 08:09
Yes, someone will read it, and perhaps they will get angry. Very angry. Further discussion will ensue. However, just before the critical moment where they take action based on the conclusions of their discussion, they stop. They go back to worrying about their own affairs.

And what about the people who orchestrated the Imperalism-Lite adventure in Iraq? Will they go, "Oh dear! This columnist is right! I am such a naughty and ethically devoid person!" Maybe. Will they try to rectify the immense suffering they have caused? Doubtful.
Schwarzchild
08-01-2007, 08:57
Considering many actors have chosen a career in politics after successful film and stage careers, I see no reason not to consider Terry Jones' opinion any more or less relevant than anyone else with a toe on the bully pulpit.

The fact that he speaks of issues with a degree of wit is a plus as well.

Finally, it has been the place in history of both actor and artist to make social and political commentary. Shakespeare did it, Gilbert & Sullivan did it, you may look all the way back into the Greek and Roman periods of theater and find social and political commentary.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion Hack, and I respect you...but I have grown weary of the dittoheads (not you) who goosestep with Herr Limbaugh and see his vile screed as valid social and political commentary, and scream at the top of their lungs when actors and artists do what they have always done. Provide perspective in an interesting and entertaining way.

Be seeing you.