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This Texan's family has been raising pigs on this farm for 200 years. Then these folks bought the 11 acres next door and wanted him to move. That's just plain wrong. They knew he was raising pigs on the land when they bought the property. They also called the man a liar so he is now protesting by holding pig races on his land every Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241897,00.html

"When an Islamic group moved in next door and told Craig Baker the pigs on his family's 200-year-old Texas farm had to go, he and his swine decided to fight back.

In protest of being asked to move, Davis began staging elaborate pig races on Friday afternoons."

Old, story and someone already posted a thread with an article where the man admitted he was wrong. So much for Fox "News".

Old, story and someone already posted a thread with an article where the man admitted he was wrong. So much for Fox "News".

Initially Baker and Kamel Fotouh, the president of the 500-member Islamic Association, were on good terms. But things turned sour at a town meeting, where Baker says Fotouh insulted him by asking him to move.
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Last Friday, more than 100 attended the pig races, and many say they don't want the mosque either. Some fear it will appear out of place and hurt their property values.

seems like this is an update. the other, past article ended with him pondering if he should still have the pig races... this one indicates the races are held weekly on Friday.

Old, story and someone already posted a thread with an article where the man admitted he was wrong. So much for Fox "News".

YOU! :mad:

That would be hilarious to have a pig farm next to a mosque.

Why should he move? He was there first.

seems like this is an update. the other, past article ended with him pondering if he should still have the pig races... this one indicates the races are held weekly on Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/30/mosque.pig.ap/index.html

The Fox News story still omits that the moron conceded he was never asked to move, and that the mosque people don't give a shit about his pigs.

seems like this is an update. the other, past article ended with him pondering if he should still have the pig races... this one indicates the races are held weekly on Friday.

Inthe last article posted he said he would be holding the races simply because he had talked himself into a corner about it and couldn't not without losing face. He did, however, admit to being in the wrong.

Edit:

Earlier this month, Baker conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land, but he said he had to go through with the pig races because "I would be like a total idiot if I didn't. I'd be the laughingstock now because I've gone too far."

thanks to Fass.

On the one hand, there is no reason for the farmer or his pigs to move.

On the other, he doesn't have to be an arse about it.

Why should he move? He was there first.

He wasn't asked to move. He was asked to get his animals off their land. They have the right not to let his animals be on their land.

YOU! :mad:

That would be hilarious to have a pig farm next to a mosque.

Why should he move? He was there first.

He hasn't been asked to move. The article makes it seem like he was, but he wasn't. Or at least the Mosque denies they asked him. They don't mind the pigs, though.

Where does it say he was accused of being a liar? Or that he had held the pig races yearly? Or that the Mosque asked him to move? I thought he started the pig races just to protest the mosque being built.

Old, story and someone already posted a thread with an article where the man admitted he was wrong. So much for Fox "News".

Quite. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510109&highlight=pigs+mosque)From A golden oldie goin' all the way back to July 12th - I remember the thread, and how it lingered. Here's (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16095716/) the story Nazz linked to in his original thread. Presumably FoxNews was saving it for a rainy day?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/30/mosque.pig.ap/index.html

So he's just being a prat to save face. Well, there you go then.

That would be hilarious to have a pig farm next to a mosque.

I bet you're a real card at parties.

ell oh ell, fox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/30/mosque.pig.ap/index.html

The Fox News story still omits that the moron conceded he was never asked to move, and that the mosque people don't give a shit about his pigs.

You need to read the article Fass. No where in it did he "concede he was never asked to move." :rolleyes:

Meh, most of this is media spin. He wasn't asked to move anyway.
I doubt the Islamic group (I'm surprised, I thought the neighbour would be complaining about the smell caused by the huge amount of shit excreted by the pigs) did so little research as to not realise there was a pig farm next to their new site.

You need to read the article Fass. No where in it did he "concede he was never asked to move." :rolleyes:

"Baker agreed to move his cattle but thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years.

Earlier this month, Baker conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land[...]"

You were saying?

Where does it say he was accused of being a liar? Or that he had held the pig races yearly? Or that the Mosque asked him to move? I thought he started the pig races just to protest the mosque being built.

Initially Baker and Kamel Fotouh, the president of the 500-member Islamic Association, were on good terms. But things turned sour at a town meeting, where Baker says Fotouh insulted him by asking him to move.

That was the last straw for me ... calling me a liar, especially in front of three or four hundred people at that meeting," Baker said. "Mr. Fotouh said it would be a good idea if I considered packing up my stuff and moving out further to the country."

"Baker agreed to move his cattle but thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years.

Earlier this month, Baker conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land[...]"

You were saying?

He conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land. It does not say he conceded they did not ask him to move. There is a big difference in what he said and what you claim he said. :rolleyes:

He conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land. It does not say he conceded they did not ask him to move. There is a big difference in what he said and what you claim he said. :rolleyes:

Bullshit, Celtlund. Clear and utter bullshit. The mosque people asked him to move his cattle from their land, land they had bought and he agreed to that. Then he went on to say that they had asked him to move from his land, which they did not, and which he has now conceded to.

"The dispute began when the association asked Baker to remove his cattle from its newly bought land. The association plans to build a mosque, community center, athletic facilities and a school.

Baker agreed to move his cattle but thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years.

Earlier this month, Baker conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land, but he said he had to go through with the pig races because "I would be like a total idiot if I didn't. I'd be the laughingstock now because I've gone too far.""

But, sure, if you want to so dearly hang on to the bullshit Fox News fed you - the bullshit not even this hickville moron believes himself any more since he conceded he was wrong about them wanting him off his land - then fine. Be blind. The rest of us can just read.

Jeez Fox.

When those two Iranian diplomats were detained by the U.S. Fox ignored the fact that they had been invited(ok yes they mentioned it in the first few sentences) but then they went on to give evidence of Iranian medling and such.

If this story was true i'd say he shouldn't have to move.

Do we need a new topic on this every month?

Eh, this pretty much is a non-issue, the muslims can build their mosque, the farmer can race his pigs, and the world can cease to care. The only things being negatively impacted by this are the pigs that have to run their ass off every week.

Eh, this pretty much is a non-issue, the muslims can build their mosque, the farmer can race his pigs, and the world can cease to care. The only things being negatively impacted by this are the pigs that have to run their ass off every week.

And it makes the meat tougher. I want my ham coming from lazy pigs.

[And it makes the meat tougher. I want my ham coming from lazy pigs.
which is why only the looser is butchered. ;)

Bullshit, Celtlund. Clear and utter bullshit. The mosque people asked him to move his cattle from their land, land they had bought and he agreed to that. Then he went on to say that they had asked him to move from his land, which they did not, and which he has now conceded to.

"The dispute began when the association asked Baker to remove his cattle from its newly bought land. The association plans to build a mosque, community center, athletic facilities and a school.

Baker agreed to move his cattle but thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years.

Earlier this month, Baker conceded that the Muslims probably aren't after his land, but he said he had to go through with the pig races because "I would be like a total idiot if I didn't. I'd be the laughingstock now because I've gone too far.""

But, sure, if you want to so dearly hang on to the bullshit Fox News fed you - the bullshit not even this hickville moron believes himself any more since he conceded he was wrong about them wanting him off his land - then fine. Be blind. The rest of us can just read.
and now this is about Pigs. a different and if you will, next round of fights beween the two property owners. who's to say that they did or didn't ask him to move after the cattle incident.

seems like this is an update. the other, past article ended with him pondering if he should still have the pig races... this one indicates the races are held weekly on Friday.

You call it an update--it sounds a lot more like revisionism to me. The timeline doesn't work out otherwise. The story about the pig races came out first and mentioned nothing about the request to move--that makes me think that the "request" popped up conveniently after the pig farmer caught shit for being a dumbass bigot.

and now this is about Pigs.

No, it's not about the pigs. It's about him thinking he could upset the Muslims with the pigs after he had for some reason thought the Muslims were out to get him - now he admits that they were not.

a different and if you will, next round of fights beween the two property owners. who's to say that they did or didn't ask him to move after the cattle incident.

There is nothing to support your paragraph here. The CNN story is pretty conclusive: they bought land next to his and asked him to remove his cattle from it. He did, but got the idea for some reason that they wanted him off his own land, too, so he wanted to be a douche with the pigs. The Mosque people have stated they didn't want him off his land, apologised to him if he thought they did and that they don't give a shit about the pigs, and the man has now conceded they didn't want him off his land at all, but he'll still do the pig races because he's another one of these idiots who cannot renegue no matter how wrong they are; this US craziness of "staying the course" even when they know the course is wrong. It's that simple.

The moral of this story is, don't trust Fox news.

The moral of this story is, don't trust Fox news.

Or CNN. :eek:

Ok, we all now that news is or can be slanted. We all know what Fass is saying and what I'm saying. So, I went for another source and I ran across the pig farmers story written by the pig farmer.

http://www.americanpigrace.com/

I went for another source and I ran across the pig farmers story written by the pig farmer.

Which of course would not be bias at all.

Which of course would not be bias at all.

Yes it would be bias, but should we not listen to what he has to say? If his neighbors have written something on this I would like to see that also. From reading his story I have learned that neither FOX or CNN got the story straight. :eek:

This brings up a wider issue. Any farmer close to a city understands all of the problems with 5-10 acres and a horse people. They move from the city to escape the problems and bring the problems with them. They further insist that everyone live the life of a city dweller. Starting with light pollution (they all have to have a street light so no one can see the stars) to intolerance for slow moving equipment, to cutting fences so they can play with four wheelers in the pastures.

If you want to live in the city---stay in the city.

Fuck the neighbour. Make him squeal. :)

EDIT: Might as well express my opinion..

That pig farmer was there first. Plain and simple. If the new land owner didn't want to live next the a pig farm, he should have actually checked out the area he was planning on buying land in. You can't just walk in to some place and demand they change everything for the new kid.

There is something like this going on around here with the boy scout camp and a new home owner. She claims they make too much noise. It's her fault that she chose to live next to a place that gets a little loud on the weekends. She sued the camp. If I was the judge in that case, I would laugh at her and tell her if she didn't want to live next to a some-what noisey place, you should have done your homework.

I would tell that new land owner that if he wanted the pig farmer to move, then he should pay for it.

Yes it would be bias, but should we not listen to what he has to say? If his neighbors have written something on this I would like to see that also. From reading his story I have learned that neither FOX or CNN got the story straight. :eek:

Any reason we shouldn't listen to the point of view of the Muslim neighbors as well? Why focus just on this guy?

Invite them over. Build a bacon launcher.

Send them airline tickets to Cuba.

ooooh the possibilities are endless!

;)

I would tell that new land owner that if he wanted the pig farmer to move, then he should pay for it.

Sounds to me like he didn't want the farmer to move.

Let's build a pig trebuchet! :p

Speaking of Mosques, my old home in Malaysia is not more. They knocked down all the government houses and build a huge Mosque over the land.

What is this? International Lets Attack Fox News Day?

What is this? International Lets Attack Fox News Day?

When they stop using "We're Full of Shit All Day Every Day" as their motto, we'll stop attacking them.

What is this? International Lets Attack Fox News Day?

Nope, but in fairness every day should be an international let's attack fox news day.

Ok, we all now that news is or can be slanted. We all know what Fass is saying and what I'm saying. So, I went for another source and I ran across the pig farmers story written by the pig farmer.

http://www.americanpigrace.com/

After he had admitted to lying to a major publication to not look like a duch about the pig races why should we trust this "story" any more

Invite them over. Build a bacon launcher.

Send them airline tickets to Cuba.

ooooh the possibilities are endless!

;)

For what? from the sound of it the guy misunderstood, got defensive came up with a story and now it is going away ... what did they do?

... what did they do?

Muslim in Public.

Muslim in Public.

Apparently

There has been similiar stuff about this with lifestyle blocks and farms. Apparently somewhere like the Waikato council has been ignoring these because they get so many complaints about the noise and smell.

Idiots. :rolleyes:

Link (http://www.ew.govt.nz/newsandevents/mediareleases/mr652594.htm)

Do we need a new topic on this every month?


Everyday, until the evil Musislamesez are show to be the threat to decency and white women that some are convinced they are.......

the strangest thing about this is that there are still family pig farmers in the world...

Any reason we shouldn't listen to the point of view of the Muslim neighbors as well? Why focus just on this guy?

We should listen to both. Do you have a link to the Muslim side of the story?

What is this? International Lets Attack Fox News Day?

Yes, today and every day, but try to attack CNN and Oh No! CNN, is after all, not the least bit bias. :(

Yes, today and every day, but try to attack CNN and Oh No! CNN, is after all, not the least bit bias. :(

I don't see anyone here defending CNN in particular. I'm certainly no fan, though I have a well-deserved distaste for the shit Fox puts out and calls news.

This Texan's family has been raising pigs on this farm for 200 years. Then these folks bought the 11 acres next door and wanted him to move. That's just plain wrong. They knew he was raising pigs on the land when they bought the property. They also called the man a liar so he is now protesting by holding pig races on his land every Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241897,00.html

"When an Islamic group moved in next door and told Craig Baker the pigs on his family's 200-year-old Texas farm had to go, he and his swine decided to fight back.

In protest of being asked to move, Davis began staging elaborate pig races on Friday afternoons."

Idiots. Both the Muslims and the guy are idiots. The Muslims should move, and I say this as a pretty liberal person. That should throw the conservatives offf their stride.

Idiots. Both the Muslims and the guy are idiots. The Muslims should move, and I say this as a pretty liberal person. That should throw the conservatives offf their stride.

Why all they did was request the man not keep his cattle on THEIR land?

They bought the land why should they not be able to say if someone has cattle on it or not?

This Texan's family has been raising pigs on this farm for 200 years. Then these folks bought the 11 acres next door and wanted him to move. That's just plain wrong. They knew he was raising pigs on the land when they bought the property. They also called the man a liar so he is now protesting by holding pig races on his land every Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241897,00.html

"When an Islamic group moved in next door and told Craig Baker the pigs on his family's 200-year-old Texas farm had to go, he and his swine decided to fight back.

In protest of being asked to move, Davis began staging elaborate pig races on Friday afternoons."

1) 'Asking' someone to do something is some kind of crime?

2) According to the source you found (later), the farmer makes a claim he admits he has no witnesses for, and suggests he deliberately decided to position pigs near his muslim neighbours purely to upset them.

3) The consensus seems to be that the story was mostly fabrication, anyway.


Why waste bandwidth on this? Just because they are ebil muslims?

Idiots. Both the Muslims and the guy are idiots. The Muslims should move, and I say this as a pretty liberal person. That should throw the conservatives offf their stride.

Why should the muslims move?

Even if the story wasn't bullshit... they can 'ask' anything they like, right? Freedom of Speech, I think they call it.

Why waste bandwidth on this?

In NSG we waste a lot of bandwith. :eek:

In NSG we waste a lot of bandwith. :eek:

True... but if you search just the Fox site, the story you presented isn't consistent... and is the 'mass media' equivalent of trolling.

Seriously - since when is someone asking someone something news?

True... but if you search just the Fox site, the story you presented isn't consistent... and is the 'mass media' equivalent of trolling.

Seriously - since when is someone asking someone something news?

Well, if the story were accurate, then it would be an example of uncouth behavior and might warrant a local story. What made this a story in the first place was the assholish behavior of the pig farm owner who thought he'd play to the xenophobia of his neighbors by doing the pig races. The story since then seems largely this guy trying to come up with a way where he looks less like an asshole than he did before.

Well, if the story were accurate, then it would be an example of uncouth behavior and might warrant a local story. What made this a story in the first place was the assholish behavior of the pig farm owner who thought he'd play to the xenophobia of his neighbors by doing the pig races. The story since then seems largely this guy trying to come up with a way where he looks less like an asshole than he did before.

It's making the whole community look bad... the neighbours who started a 'terrorist attack clock' that documents all acts of terror attributed to Islam since 9/11... what does it have to do with pigs...?

Nothing - the 'natives' are looking like racist assholes who have decided to take the war-on-islam as a personal credo.

That is what the article should have been about, if anything. I wonder why Fox decided to lead such a weak alternative? I can only assume they are playing to the gallery that they believe they serve.

Why waste bandwidth on this? Just because they are ebil muslims?

Not teh ebil muslims! Eek!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/eek.jpg

Well, if the story were accurate, then it would be an example of uncouth behavior and might warrant a local story. What made this a story in the first place was the assholish behavior of the pig farm owner who thought he'd play to the xenophobia of his neighbors by doing the pig races. The story since then seems largely this guy trying to come up with a way where he looks less like an asshole than he did before.

Though to some extent feel sorry for both of them ... some little local misunderstanding /assholish behavior is now national news because the guy was mildly inventive in the stunt to cover his ass and Muslims are involved

Though to some extent feel sorry for both of them ... some little local misunderstanding /assholish behavior is now national news because the guy was mildly inventive in the stunt to cover his ass and Muslims are involved

I don't feel much sympathy for the pigman.

It's like nailing mannikins to makeshift crosses because your Christian neighbour annoyed you...

This is too funny. I think that not only are the pig races a good idea I think they ought to start breeding them pigs in mass and having Weekly Pig Roasts...mmmm....smells of the freshly over fire Pig Roasts and Smokers...Truly a fabuluous aroma and great eating.

This is too funny. I think that not only are the pig races a good idea I think they ought to start breeding them pigs in mass and having Weekly Pig Roasts...mmmm....smells of the freshly over fire Pig Roasts and Smokers...Truly a fabuluous aroma and great eating.

Because antagonising your neighbours is a good thing?

This is too funny. I think that not only are the pig races a good idea I think they ought to start breeding them pigs in mass and having Weekly Pig Roasts...mmmm....smells of the freshly over fire Pig Roasts and Smokers...Truly a fabuluous aroma and great eating.

Why, exactly? Because, you know, in pretty much every variation of the story you find the Muslim group reminding people that they simply don't eat pork-they're not offended by pigs, afraid of them, worship them, think they're evil, or really give a rats ass what other people do with them-they just don't happen to eat pork. The only humor I can see that can be derived from this is the backwater moronic mentality that thinks somehow doing anything with pigs would have any effect.

Because antagonising your neighbours is a good thing?

If your neighbors are Muslims, they fall in the category of "Brown people" and everyone knows that loving your neighbor doesn't extend to "Brown people".

Same shit, second verse.

This is too funny. I think that not only are the pig races a good idea I think they ought to start breeding them pigs in mass and having Weekly Pig Roasts...mmmm....smells of the freshly over fire Pig Roasts and Smokers...Truly a fabuluous aroma and great eating.

And you wonder why atheists sneer at christians? :rolleyes:

This is too funny. I think that not only are the pig races a good idea I think they ought to start breeding them pigs in mass and having Weekly Pig Roasts...mmmm....smells of the freshly over fire Pig Roasts and Smokers...Truly a fabuluous aroma and great eating.

How do we know who voted for Bush in both elections though? They might just look like pigs, but be innocent...

If your neighbors are Muslims, they fall in the category of "Brown people" and everyone knows that loving your neighbor doesn't extend to "Brown people".

Same shit, second verse.

QFT.

And you wonder why atheists sneer at christians? :rolleyes:

I know some Christians that sneer at other Christians. ;)

I don't feel much sympathy for the pigman.

It's like nailing mannikins to makeshift crosses because your Christian neighbour annoyed you...

Yeah it is stupid yeah it is assholish but national wide disgrace is a bit much for me to wish on anyone ... maybe that makes me week I don't know

I know some Christians that sneer at other Christians. ;)

Fair enough ... it just gets a bit hard when usually those that speak the loudest about their religion tend to be the ones that are most likely to act like assholes.

Easy to forget that there are plenty out there that are just peachy