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In Danville, Pennsylvania a 12-year-old special education student has been charged (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171650)with a crime. Why? The poor girl wet her pants.

The school claims she did it deliberately and called the cops. She's been charged with disorderly conduct over the incident. If she wants to avoid a fine, she can do community service. Great. Out there, picking up roadside trash with the drunks and other miscreants just because of some wet pants. I wonder how vomiting and defecation rate on the disorderly conduct scale.

Thank God we have school administrators that are willing to take a stand on this terrible issue.

Man, probably a good thing I never tried that one to get out of class.

That is sickening man. No wonder our school system is so screwed up.

Is it so hard to believe that a 12 year old person wet herself because a fully grown man (whom she is scared of) was looming over them and scolding them. People these days :rolleyes:

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never mind.

I'd like to know the schools proof that she did it on purpose, is there some kind of test? (also I have seen this happen once and the image of a puddle of urine nestled in the groove of the chair in front has haunted me to this day)

either way this will never hold up in court

What does this have to do with the government?

Is it so hard to believe that a 12 year old person wet herself because a fully grown man (whom she is scared of) was looming over them and scolding them. People these days :rolleyes:

She's a special ed student. That doesn't mean 'retarded', but it could either mean that she is academically and/or socially behind the norms for her grade and age.

Why is that in American schools the american police seem to be constantly involved. During my whole school and university career I have never seen a police officer on the ground, and only once were they involved that was with regards to criminal damage, not some silly little 'disorderly conduct' offence.

What does this have to do with the government?

The Danville Middle School is a branch of the Danville County School Board, or some such governmental organization supported by taxpayer money. In other words, it's not a private school.

And to get to the point, more of this nonsense seems to occur in the zero-tolerance, non-judgmental, zero-intelligence world of government schools.

The school called the cops on a student for non-criminal behaviour???

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Ok, I'm speechless. What do they expect the legal system to do with the kid?

She's a special ed student. That doesn't mean 'retarded', but it could either mean that she is academically and/or socially behind the norms for her grade and age.

where did he say she was retarded :confused:

And to get to the point, more of this nonsense seems to occur in the zero-tolerance, non-judgmental, zero-intelligence world of government schools.And I presume you have something to back this up? My experience has been that stupidity in the ranks of school administrators is an across the board thing, not a public versus private matter.

The school called the cops on a student for non-criminal behaviour???

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Ok, I'm speechless. What do they expect the legal system to do with the kid?
Apparently, they expect the legal system to make her go out and pick up trash alongside the roads. That's the typical 'community service' punishment that courts assign.

She's a special ed student. That doesn't mean 'retarded', but it could either mean that she is academically and/or socially behind the norms for her grade and age.

I never said that :(

I was just saying that is it so much of a stretch to believe that scared children may lose bladder control.

In Danville, Pennsylvania a 12-year-old special education student has been charged (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171650)with a crime. Why? The poor girl wet her pants.

The school claims she did it deliberately and called the cops. She's been charged with disorderly conduct over the incident. If she wants to avoid a fine, she can do community service. Great. Out there, picking up roadside trash with the drunks and other miscreants just because of some wet pants. I wonder how vomiting and defecation rate on the disorderly conduct scale.

Thank God we have school administrators that are willing to take a stand on this terrible issue.

This scares me. Why? Well...

I actually did wet my trousers deliberately in primary. All I got was a stern talking too.

Apparently, they expect the legal system to make her go out and pick up trash alongside the roads. That's the typical 'community service' punishment that courts assign.

Ok, I may be a bit of a spoiled socialist commie European here, but how is that going to help her with bladder control?

This scares me. Why? Well...

I actually did wet my trousers deliberately in primary. All I got was a stern talking too.

Which is all you needed, apparently...

And I presume you have something to back this up? My experience has been that stupidity in the ranks of school administrators is an across the board thing, not a public versus private matter.

Come on, how many stupid zero-tolerance decisions have you read about that result in the expulsion of good students because:
1. they pointed a chicken nugget at someone and said 'bang-bang'.
2. They brought Tylenol to school and either used it themselves, or offered it to someone else.
3. Save a life by sharing an asthma inhaler.
4. Drawn pictures of guns.
5. Brought real utensils to school to cut and serve cake.
and more. The only limit is my memory. These all happen at government-run schools. Tell me about any similar incident happening at a privately-run school.

All better now. All charges were dropped. And interesting to note the police were called with the parents prior permission.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171734

This scares me. Why? Well...

I actually did wet my trousers deliberately in primary. All I got was a stern talking too.

SWAT and Delta Force are en route to your house. Say goodbye to your loved ones.

Which is all you needed, apparently...

Exactly. You over-reacting excessive yankees! Over here, one stern talking too and the six year old kids will instantly switch back to showing off how they can talk so fast and with so many big words that the teacher can't understand them.

My equivelant to this was being sent to the headie for consistantly bad handwriting. F*cking fascist commies! F*ck! They're censoring me now!

All better now. All charges were dropped. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171734

"Using urine as a weapon"? What the hell? To quote from Schlock Mercenary:

"Peeing molecular acid is overrated. Trust me on this."

I never said that :(

I was just saying that is it so much of a stretch to believe that scared children may lose bladder control.

My only point is that she wasn't the typical twelve-year old. And scared children do, indeed, lose bladder control. I've seen a few scared adults suffer the same.

Come on, how many stupid zero-tolerance decisions have you read about that result in the expulsion of good students because:
1. they pointed a chicken nugget at someone and said 'bang-bang'.
2. They brought Tylenol to school and either used it themselves, or offered it to someone else.
3. Save a life by sharing an asthma inhaler.
4. Drawn pictures of guns.
5. Brought real utensils to school to cut and serve cake.
and more. The only limit is my memory. These all happen at government-run schools. Tell me about any similar incident happening at a privately-run school.

Boy, I'd hate to live in America. A few months back, we had our "End of school forever dress-up day", to paraphrase. I was the Grim Reaper, and my scythe was made of, FUCKADOODLEDOO, real wood. I suppose in the States I'd be on death row, huh?

All better now. All charges were dropped. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171734

Okay, move along, there's nothing wrong with our school system.

The only proper end would be for the parents to sue the principal.

Boy, I'd hate to live in America. A few months back, we had our "End of school forever dress-up day", to paraphrase. I was the Grim Reaper, and my scythe was made of, FUCKADOODLEDOO, real wood. I suppose in the States I'd be on death row, huh?

Yep, you don't want to force a union teacher into a decision. So, the school board makes the decisions for them all. That's the zero-tolerance root of all this nonsense.

Sorry but having worked with "difficult" students in the past I must say it's feasible that the child did this on purpose.

People are always quick to think that the sun shines out of a child's arse and blame the school for reacting how it does and I think this is uncalled for.

Sure it may have been a bit extreme to react how they did, but special ed as you have pointed out before does not mean retarded. It certainly doesn't mean that you should allow the child to get away with misbehaving on the grounds that "they don't know better".

So, the child could have been pissed (in the angry sense) at a teacher and decided to bottle it up (inside) until their class and then pee everywhere for shock value. It clearly worked.

The question I'd like to ask is how the parents would have reacted if a different course of action had been taken.

It may seem stupid that they got her to do community service, but if they'd expelled the kid or something along those line there would have been uproar about the expulsion of a special ed kid etc.

It's almost impossible for schools to win these days when kids have more powers than the teachers who are trying to educate them.

Okay, move along, there's nothing wrong with our school system.

The only proper end would be for the parents to sue the principal.

You clearly didnt even read the article. The police were called WITH the parents prior consent and permission. Sue for WHAT exactly?

Okay, move along, there's nothing wrong with our school system.

The only proper end would be for the parents to sue the principal.

Sarcasm, right?

After all - the only reason those 'zero-tolerance' issues even are issues, is because of the outrageous prediliction for litigation by certain sectors of the US population...

There should be some kind of protest over this. It would be nice if the other student organized some kind of pissing contest in the school and just pissed all over the place until they take back the charges.

Sarcasm, right?

After all - the only reason those 'zero-tolerance' issues even are issues, is because of the outrageous prediliction for litigation by certain sectors of the US population...

That brings up an entirely different subject. I know a "loser-pays" (http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg19n1e.html) tort reform would put a stop to all but the most egregious cases in public schools.

You clearly didnt even read the article. The police were called WITH the parents prior consent and permission. Sue for WHAT exactly?

Oh, I didn't read one sentence. Grow up.

That brings up an entirely different subject. I know a "loser-pays" (http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg19n1e.html) tort reform would put a stop to all but the most egregious cases in public schools.

You raised the spectre of zero-tolerance silliness in public schools, but you made it look like it was a flaw in the government involvement... I'm just drawing attention to the fact that the problem has little to do with public or private status, and a whole lot more to do with the fact that many Americans treat the legal process as a kind of lottery.

They punished this kid for pissing her pants? Where the hell were these people when a special ed kid (when I was in grade 8) pushed me down on ice where I hit my head, all because I was talking to a girl in his 'special ed' class and he didn't like that she got pissed off at me? Yes, I was friend with her. She could speak normally, but was learning disabled. So, she got angry at me because I didn't want to hang out at her house... So she yelled at me. The kid was nearby.

I was damn lucky I didn't get a fucking concussion. Oh, and the school doesn't punish him. I get punished and I'm forced to help out in the special ed class because the kid pushes me down onto my ass.

So, all I have to say on this is... GOOD! I'm glad those special ed brats can get into trouble!

You raised the spectre of zero-tolerance silliness in public schools, but you made it look like it was a flaw in the government involvement... I'm just drawing attention to the fact that the problem has little to do with public or private status, and a whole lot more to do with the fact that many Americans treat the legal process as a kind of lottery.

But I think it is a flaw that is amplified by government involvement. I just don't see the kinds of articles that support the notion that zero-intelligence decisions are required in private schools. That has to be because government is always reaching for a one-size-fits-all policy where they really need to make decisions based on individual circumstances.

But I think it is a flaw that is amplified by government involvement. I just don't see the kinds of articles that support the notion that zero-intelligence decisions are required in private schools. That has to be because government is always reaching for a one-size-fits-all policy where they really need to make decisions based on individual circumstances.

Why must it be that way?

A more logical conclusion would be that people complain less about stuff they are responsible for... and 'private' education is intrinsically more inclusive to the parent (by virtue of fiscal association, if nothing else)... and thus, less likely to be attacked for it's flaws.

Damn, I´m glad I´m not in the US, because otherwise I would be in death roll for skipping classes.

oh ho ho. I think I understand what may have happened here. The girl has learnt that wetting her pants can get her out of trouble. So the school has spotted a time when she wet hereself on purpose. The school has phoned the mother want get her permission to give the child a scare - to show her that deliberately wetting her pants and be spotted by the teacher and can get her into even more trouble.

However, when I've normally seen this tactic used the school or parent only threatens to call the police, in an attempt to get an apology from the child. I've never actually seen the threat carried out as the threat is normally enough. Having said this the police officer who was quoted doesn't seem wise to what was happening. So I may be attributing the principal with more smarts than he really has.

oh ho ho. I think I understand what may have happened here. The girl has learnt that wetting her pants can get her out of trouble. So the school has spotted a time when she wet hereself on purpose. The school has phoned the mother want get her permission to give the child a scare - to show her that deliberately wetting her pants and be spotted by the teacher and can get her into even more trouble.

However, when I've normally seen this tactic used the school or parent only threatens to call the police, in an attempt to get an apology from the child. I've never actually seen the threat carried out as the threat is normally enough. Having said this the police officer who was quoted doesn't seem wise to what was happening. So I may be attributing the principal with more smarts than he really has.

Then the principal would have plenty of time to let the officer know. So we're either talking stupid principal, or principal that oiverestimated the cop's knowledge of mind-reading, or, simply, jerk principal.

In Danville, Pennsylvania a 12-year-old special education student has been charged (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171650)with a crime. Why? The poor girl wet her pants.

The school claims she did it deliberately and called the cops. She's been charged with disorderly conduct over the incident. If she wants to avoid a fine, she can do community service. Great. Out there, picking up roadside trash with the drunks and other miscreants just because of some wet pants. I wonder how vomiting and defecation rate on the disorderly conduct scale.

Thank God we have school administrators that are willing to take a stand on this terrible issue.
America sucks.

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never mind.

Indeed. Can you imagine it happening here? The closest thing I can think of is that kid not being allowed to go on camp which kinda pissed me off. Not in the same league as this though.

In Danville, Pennsylvania a 12-year-old special education student has been charged (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=171650)with a crime. Why? The poor girl wet her pants.

The school claims she did it deliberately and called the cops. She's been charged with disorderly conduct over the incident. If she wants to avoid a fine, she can do community service. Great. Out there, picking up roadside trash with the drunks and other miscreants just because of some wet pants. I wonder how vomiting and defecation rate on the disorderly conduct scale.

Thank God we have school administrators that are willing to take a stand on this terrible issue.

I'd like to know how they're getting ANYWHERE with this at all, but considering the world, it's not too surprising.

In PA, I'd expect nothing less.

The town my college was in actually landmarked a tree used to lynch 'colored folk' on a street so aptly named 'Africa Street'.

Why hasn't the proverbial smackdown been wraught upon the out-of-control school administrators?

Are people really so obsessed with protecting their children that they'll live with any horribly retarded consequences of these assinine policies?

In PA, I'd expect nothing less.

The town my college was in actually landmarked a tree used to lynch 'colored folk' on a street so aptly named 'Africa Street'.WTF! :eek:

It's good to see that our "overstretched" criminal justice system has finally solved the rape and mugging problem however, and now has time on its hands for this BS.

Better lock her up for good. The next thing you know she'll be holding up liquor stores by threatening to pee on them.:rolleyes:

Better lock her up for good. The next thing you know she'll be holding up liquor stores by threatening to pee on them.:rolleyes:

I'd give her the liquor. I'm not calling that bluff.:p

She's in special ed, she can't help it. I know people who teach it, if she can't help it she couldn't help it.

Yeah, I hate the zero-tolerance policy and other stupid idea they now have as it effects a few people I know who were expelled before I got my degree. Let at a simple senario if some guy punches you in the face and corners you, what are you supposed to do curl up in a ball and hope that someone finds in a remote place before you lost half of your face.