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I agree to some extent with that.

The defenition of Freedom, The United States of America,
Viva America.

The defenition of Freedom, The United States of America,
Viva America.

Was that sarcastic?

The defenition of Freedom, The United States of America,
Viva America.

Was that sarcastic?

Lol, try Cuba with no political rights at all to disagree with any government policy or laws, Lol.

The defenition of Freedom, The United States of America,
Viva America.

What is it with this bizarre cult of "Freedom"?

What is it with this bizarre cult of "Freedom"?

Would you all like to live in Cuba as average Cuban citizens without any political freedoms to disagree with any government policy or laws, without the right to participate on a forum like Nation States or Jolt Co Uk Forums, without the right to argue, debate and share your diffrent political, economic and social views, where internet and satelite dishes are illegal because they are a form of Freddom of information?

LOL.

Viva The Unites States of America.

wow. it defines freedom by attacking the wars in iraq and vietnam.

how original.

Would you all like to live in Cuba as average Cuban citizens witout any political freedoms to disagree with any government policy or laws, without the right to participate on a forum like Nation States or Jolt Co Uk Forums, without the right to argue, debate and share your diffrent political, economic and social views, where internet and satelite dishes are illegal because they are a form of Freddom of information?

LOL.

Viva The Unites States of America.

So everywhere in the world that isn't the US is exactly like Cuba, then?

he's got a point. even our most basic right in america, freedom of religious expression, is barred or banned in a whole bunch of non-democratic (read: western) countries and is punishable by torture or death.

So everywhere in the world that isn't the US is exactly like Cuba, then?

I did not say that Kanabia, but I am sick and tired of people on this forum and other places defending, excusing, denying the Cuban governmet dictatorship for life, but at least that is there right when posting from the USA, Canada, the EU Nations, Japan, Mexico and some other Nations, but not from Cuba.

Nobody is free, even in America. Freedom is limited so nobody can be truely free. It would also depend on what you relate freedom to.

Nobody is free, even in America. Freedom is limited so nobody can be truely free. It would also depend on what you relate freedom to.

limited freedoms are necessary. move on.

I did not say that Kanabia, but I am sick and tired of people on this forum and other places defending, excusing, denying the Cuban governmet dictatorship for life, but at least that is there right when posting from the USA, Canada, the EU Nations, Japan, Mexico and some other Nations, but not from Cuba.


Nobody in this thread, least of all myself, is claiming that Cuba is the definition of freedom.

However, you stated:
The defenition of Freedom, The United States of America,
Viva America.

With your own words, you stated that the USA is THE definition of freedom.

I took exception, because the USA can hardly claim to have a monopoly on the concept. Any insistence that it does is really quite absurd.

That is all.

Agreed Kanabia, The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, the EU Nations, Japan, Mexico and others are also the defenition of Freedom, but not Cuba.

That is all.

limited freedoms are necessary. move on.

So now we have 'limited freedom'?

So now we have 'limited freedom'?

uh, yeah, ever since weve had a 'government'

uh, yeah, ever since weve had a 'government'

Yes, I know and understand this, this is my whole point. Why are so many people obsessed with the notion of freedom when it doesn't exist?

Yes, I know and understand this, this is my whole point. Why are so many people obsessed with the notion of freedom when it doesn't exist?

one cannot simply have "freedom" because it would obviously conflict with the other 6 billion people's notions of "freedom," so limited freedom is essentially as free as we'll get in the near future.

one cannot simply have "freedom" because it would obviously conflict with the other 6 billion people's notions of "freedom," so limited freedom is essentially as free as we'll get in the near future.

Is this 'freedom' socio, economical or political? Which is more important? You say free then you say not free, which is it? Is there a balance? From your perspective you claim someone is not free, I dare say from their perspective you are not free.

Is this 'freedom' socio, economical or political? Which is more important? You say free then you say not free, which is it? Is there a balance? From your perspective you claim someone is not free, I dare say from their perspective you are not free.

alright, ill ignore the semantics argument because its a "tomato-tomatoe" deal.

anyway, yes, there is a balance between freedom of speech and slander, freedom of press and libel, freedom of religion and *insert faith-based terror attack here,* etc. etc. etc. alls im saying is we are free-er than many a country.

Would you all like to live in Cuba as average Cuban citizens without any political freedoms to disagree with any government policy or laws, without the right to participate on a forum like Nation States or Jolt Co Uk Forums, without the right to argue, debate and share your diffrent political, economic and social views, where internet and satelite dishes are illegal because they are a form of Freddom of information?

LOL.

Viva The Unites States of America.

You do know that the planet has more countries than the USA and Cuba, right? :confused:

one cannot simply have "freedom" because it would obviously conflict with the other 6 billion people's notions of "freedom," so limited freedom is essentially as free as we'll get in the near future.

Is that freedom of or freedom from you're talking about? Two very, very different things.

alright, ill ignore the semantics argument because its a "tomato-tomatoe" deal.

anyway, yes, there is a balance between freedom of speech and slander, freedom of press and libel, freedom of religion and *insert faith-based terror attack here,* etc. etc. etc. alls im saying is we are free-er than many a country.

It's tomato ;)

I think it's all a matter of perspective. America maybe politically free to a point but socially it is a little backward. Cuba may have no political freedom but is way ahead of America socially. But then I would live in neither, I like a healthy balance.

Freedom is where you do whatever you want.
It ends when you get caught and jailed.

Freedom is where you do whatever you want.
It ends when you get caught and jailed.

Or become a world leader. Sometimes ending in jail, but usually not. :)

What is it with this bizarre cult of "Freedom"?

The French are almost as bad with their cult of "la République". It's always interesting to see how similar the French and Americans are.

Freedom

"With freedom comes responsibility" -Dennis Hopper(?) Easy Rider 1969

Even if it wasn't Hopper's character that said it never a truer word was spoken. It's when people act irresponsibly (and some always do) that laws must be made and freedoms must be curtailed to a certain extent.

Like you are NOT free to tear through your city center at 120mph because that puts other people's lives at risk. If you do this you are being irresponsible. People do do this so there is a law in place which allows for punishment of those that do it and get caught doing it.

Freedom is most definately a sliding scale but it's one we ultimately impose on ourselves. But I guarantee you the more arseholes we have in the world the fewer freedoms we will have.

And sadly there are those in the world that would willingly stomp on the freedoms and rights of others to gain power for themselves. This is what causes wars when those people gain positions of influence and power.

America is one of the free-est countries of the world as is the UK. I would not necessarily define either as being totally free though.

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Freedom is most definately a sliding scale but it's one we ultimately impose on ourselves. But I guarantee you the more arseholes we have in the world the fewer freedoms we will have.
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Brilliant!
Something in your post has shon a light for me on the rather dismal progress of freedom these last few years.

It's not a rising tide of arseholes which has seen Western governments try to take away once-recognized rights (or freedoms if you will.) It's the empowerment of existing arseholes by prosperity, by global mobility, by free publishing and by access to information (or misinformation.)

Why look for a conspiracy in it? When it can easily be explained as reactionism, as a fearful and defensive clutching at the power that individuals have been taking back for themselves?

Ah, Lincoln would have loved the Internet!

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Exactly my reaction.

Freedom, noun, the right to do whatever the government tells you to do, or implies through inaction that you are not forbidden from doing.

Full stop.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want without harming other people. Contrary to what many on this website think, needing to work 60+ hours a week just to feed your family is not freedom, because you are not doing what you want.

Lol, try Cuba with no political rights at all to disagree with any government policy or laws, Lol.
There are countries other than Cuba and the USA. You can also search for freedom in theoretical models of government.

I think it's all a matter of perspective. America maybe politically free to a point but socially it is a little backward. Cuba may have no political freedom but is way ahead of America socially.
Socially? What does that mean?

Freedom is the ability to do what you want without harming other people. Contrary to what many on this website think, needing to work 60+ hours a week just to feed your family is not freedom, because you are not doing what you want.
What if you want to work 60+ hours a week?








.... Don't look at me like that! It's possible!

Socially? What does that mean?

How society treats society.

A good measure is how a society treats those within its society that are in need.

Agreed Kanabia, The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland, the EU Nations, Japan, Mexico and others are also the defenition of Freedom, but not Cuba.

That is all.

Right, like there is a lot of freedom in Mexico.
I bet you just put it there because now there's a right-wing president.

Don't look at me like that! It's possible!

Perhaps. But if you MUST do it, whatever your wishes, you are not free.

How society treats society.

A good measure is how a society treats those within its society that are in need.
Yes, America does seem to take relish in taking a collective dump on its poor.

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/9chickweedlane

What do you think?

1. WTF @ that cartoon

2. my definition of freedom would be social freedoms allowing citizens to do as they please for the most part without hurting another. economic freedoms are not really an issue in my thinking of 'freedom'

Yes, America does seem to take relish in taking a collective dump on its poor.

And if you're not white then you're really screwed.

The ability to do as you will, so long as it does not reduce the freedom of others.

The French are almost as bad with their cult of "la République". It's always interesting to see how similar the French and Americans are.

I was going to mention Jacobin style Liberté, but then I decided not to bother.


Right, like there is a lot of freedom in Mexico.
I bet you just put it there because now there's a right-wing president.

lol.

2. my definition of freedom would be social freedoms allowing citizens to do as they please for the most part without hurting another. economic freedoms are not really an issue in my thinking of 'freedom'

The definition you just stated encompasses economic freedom as well, not to mention civil/political freedom. Social, economic, and political freedom are usually subdivisions of that:

Social: "They can do whatever they like with their own bodies, as long as it doesn't hurt others."
Economic: "They can do whatever they like with their own property, as long as it doesn't hurt others."
Political: "They can do whatever they like to attempt to impose their views on others, as long as it doesn't hurt others."

(You can probably tell from this which ones I support, and which ones I don't.)