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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/30/madrid.blast/index.html

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Spain has blamed a powerful bomb explosion Saturday at the country's busiest airport on Basque separatist group ETA, declaring it a violation of a nine-month cease-fire.

The bomb at Barajas International Airport is "absolutely incompatible with the permanent cease-fire that ETA declared nine months ago," Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said during a nationally televised news conference.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/04/madrid.body/index.html

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Spanish police have found a car bomb in the northern Basque region, and suspected it was constructed by ETA, which carried out last weekend's deadly car bombing at Madrid's airport, anti-terrorism sources told CNN's partner station, CNN+.

The car bomb did not detonate but the sources said it was ready to be used.


I find it rather odd that despite this global war on terror Bush keeps going on about, that he seems to have totally ignored the breaking of a 9-month cease-fire by one of Europe's most dangerous terrorist groups.

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I find it rather odd that despite this global war on terror Bush keeps going on about, that he seems to have totally ignored the breaking of a 9-month cease-fire by one of Europe's most dangerous terrorist groups.

Can you name any incidents in history where ETA attacked US interests?

US warships?
US Citizens abroad?
US airliners?
US skyscrapers?

Any incidents where ETA guys get on a website and play a video of them killing an American?

ETA hardly ever even kills anyone. They're like the A-Team of terrorists. Someone should give them their own TV show.

Can you name any incidents in history where ETA attacked US interests?

US warships?
US Citizens abroad?
US airliners?
US skyscrapers?

Any incidents where ETA guys get on a website and play a video of them killing an American?

Can you name any instances where Al-Qaeda attacked British interests?
What about Saddam attacking any of their interests?
Yet Britain still aids us in the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, its called being allies.
Also, Spain is a member of NATO is it not?

ETA hardly ever even kills anyone. They're like the A-Team of terrorists. Someone should give them their own TV show.

They did give Spain their first Astronaut...

Can you name any instances where Al-Qaeda attacked British interests?
What about Saddam attacking any of their interests?
Yet Britain still aids us in the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, its called being allies.
Also, Spain is a member of NATO is it not?

Maybe Spain is dealing with the problem on their own, and don't want our help.

al-Q has certainly threatened to attack UK interests (and I believe that Richard Reid and the tube bombers are part of that).

Spain also did a number on a large number of al-Q suspects over the past few years.

Maybe we think Spain has the ETA well in hand. And since the ETA never talks shit about the US or UK, we think of it as a local problem.

Now, if ETA were to blow up a major building in the US, I'm sure all of that would change.

I find it rather odd that despite this global war on terror Bush keeps going on about, that he seems to have totally ignored the breaking of a 9-month cease-fire by one of Europe's most dangerous terrorist groups.

I find it rather odd that you're trying to slam Bush for what is clearly an internal matter for Spain.

Actually, wait...no, I don't. This is NSG. Everything is Bush's fault. Hell, he probably causes cancer, too, I bet. :rolleyes:

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I find it rather odd that despite this global war on terror Bush keeps going on about, that he seems to have totally ignored the breaking of a 9-month cease-fire by one of Europe's most dangerous terrorist groups.
you WANT the USA to get involved in SPAIN's problem without their (Spain's) permission?

you WANT the USA to get involved in SPAIN's problem without their (Spain's) permission?

It sounds like he does, otherwise it's Bush's fault. And if Bush gets involved in Spain, that will be Bush's fault, too.

Maybe Spain is dealing with the problem on their own, and don't want our help.
I never said help, I said its strange that Bush seems to have completely ignored it, and hasn't expressed support for the Spainish gov't, and instead has focused on Iraq.

al-Q has certainly threatened to attack UK interests (and I believe that Richard Reid and the tube bombers are part of that).
I'm sure most of the jihadists are interconnected somehow.

you WANT the USA to get involved in SPAIN's problem without their (Spain's) permission?

whoa, whoa, whoa. No, I said its funny that Bush hasn't even mentioned it, calm down people.

Can you name any instances where Al-Qaeda attacked British interests?
More Brits died on 11/9 than 7/7.

I still see no reason why that means we are somehow allowed to kill a couple of hundred thousand Iraqis who had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, mind. Or even Afghanistan. No need.
What about Saddam attacking any of their interests?[QUOTE]
What American interests did Saddam honestly attack other than "George Bush Snr.'s Ego"?
[QUOTE]Yet Britain still aids us in the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, its called being allies.
It's more Tony Blair being your bitch, to be honest.
Also, Spain is a member of NATO is it not?
NATO is a group which was made to fight actual wars, and proper large scale conflicts. Counterterrorism is not something which NATO is for.

I never said help, I said its strange that Bush seems to have completely ignored it and instead has focused on Iraq
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I'm sure most of the jihadists are interconnected somehow

They call that "staying on message". All Presidents do that.

Can you name a time when a previous US President mentioned ETA in his weekly address?

whoa, whoa, whoa. No, I said its funny that Bush hasn't even mentioned it, calm down people.

I was just wondering... it did suggest a tone of "Pres. Bush should've done something."

then again, He (President Bush) can't be called to comment on every single terrorist act that occures ourside our borders and doesn't involve the USA.

or he might be waiting to see if there is an escallation of ETA activity before saying anything.

has there been any more attacks other than the car bomb at the airport?

It's more Tony Blair being your bitch, to be whiny.


Fixed for accuracy. You disagree with Blair's policies? Vote him out. You can do that, y'know.

Can you name a time when a previous US President mentioned ETA in his weekly address?

Can you name a previous president who devoted so much of his policy to terrorism?

I never said help, I said its strange that Bush seems to have completely ignored it and instead has focused on Iraq
That's because some kind of weedy amount of people have died, like 3 or something, and hardly anyone really cares, as opposed to Iraq, which is actually the US's business at this point and people care about in terms of elections.
I'm sure most of the jihadists are interconnected somehow
ETA are nothing to do with "jihadists". At all. They want a free Basque state, and for their political wing, Batasuna to be re-legalised.

They've nothing, nothing, and I repeat nothing to do with any 'Jihadist' group. Their aims have nothing to do with Iraq, or 'fighting US imperialism' or whatever. That's like saying "FARC are jihadists" or something equally moronic.

I was just wondering... it did suggest a tone of "Pres. Bush should've done something."

then again, He (President Bush) can't be called to comment on every single terrorist act that occures ourside our borders and doesn't involve the USA.

or he might be waiting to see if there is an escallation of ETA activity before saying anything.

has there been any more attacks other than the car bomb at the airport?

A lot, actually. ETA's pretty damned nasty.

Can you name a previous president who devoted so much of his policy to supporting terrorism?
Raegan. Iraq and the Taliban are biting you in the arse again at this very point in time.

has there been any more attacks other than the car bomb at the airport?

No, but another car bomb was found, and I believe they robbed a French armory of high explosives and small arms.

Can you name a previous president who devoted so much of his policy to supporting terrorism?

Uh...supporting?

No, but another car bomb was found, and I believe they robbed a French armory of high explosives and small arms.

Robbing a French armory doesn't sound that hard.

Show the guards your weapons, and I'm sure they'll surrender.

Raegan. Iraq and the Taliban are biting you in the arse again at this very point in time.

Typo. >_<

sorry, i'd appreciate it if you'd delete your post...

Raegan. Iraq and the Taliban are biting you in the arse again at this very point in time.

And historical reality's chomping on your bum right now as well.

Uh...supporting?

Mistake, sorry, I'm trying to respond while cooking and cleaning my room....

And historical reality's chomping on your bum right now as well.

Yootopia is probably upset that the Reagan buildup sank the former USSR.

Yootopia is probably upset that the Reagan buildup sank the former USSR.

Well, as we all know, Reagan was Satan incarnate. :rolleyes:

Yootopia is probably upset that the Reagan buildup sank the former USSR.
Urmm no, not really. It was in a sorry state by then anyway, and to be honest, after Trotsky was gone, it was all downhill.

It's more that he funded, trained and armed the Mujuh'adeen, who are now causing... urmm... hell in Hellmand Provice, and they've also shown the fighters in Iraq how to modify RPG-7s to fire from lying down, a trick that the US showed them, that's been used against the US itself.

A lot, actually. ETA's pretty damned nasty.AFTER the airport bombing that broke the cease fire? funny, then... it's not just the President not mentioning it, none of the news services did either.

No, but another car bomb was found, and I believe they robbed a French armory of high explosives and small arms.and I (as an American) am waiting to see when and where those stolen items will be used.

Urmm no, not really. It was in a sorry state by then anyway, and to be honest, after Trotsky was gone, it was all downhill.

It's more that he funded, trained and armed the Mujuh'adeen, who are now causing... urmm... hell in Hellmand Provice, and they've also shown the fighters in Iraq how to modify RPG-7s to fire from lying down, a trick that the US showed them, that's been used against the US itself.

And anyone could have learned how to do that. It's not rocket science... LOL.

Robbing a French armory doesn't sound that hard.

Show the guards your weapons, and I'm sure they'll surrender.
:rolleyes:

10/10 for pure wit there...

And anyone could have learned how to do that. It's not rocket science... LOL.
LOLZLOLZLOLZ !!1!!1

Incorrect - they needed to attach several extra bits to it, as well as vent the actual rocket's exhaust gasses differently.

And the SAS (bloody Thatcher!) and SEALS (or D-Force, I forget which of the two) who trained them showed them how to do this, after researching it themselves for quite a significant while.

After a few cross-border meetups, some of the fighters in Iraq now know how to do this.

Back in the real world, very interesting that a Batasua leader asked ETA to explain why they planted this bomb and what it was meant to achieve.

Looks like a split may be looming between the military and the political.

LOLZLOLZLOLZ !!1!!1

Incorrect - they needed to attach several extra bits to it, as well as vent the actual rocket's exhaust gasses differently.

And the SAS (bloody Thatcher!) and SEALS (or D-Force, I forget which of the two) who trained them showed them how to do this, after researching it themselves for quite a significant while.

After a few cross-border meetups, some of the fighters in Iraq now know how to do this.

It's a bent sheet of aluminum that you add to the end of the launcher.

You could make one with simple tools. It's not something as complicated as you think, and it's been done before in other wars prior to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

LOLZLOLZLOLZ !!1!!1

Incorrect - they needed to attach several extra bits to it, as well as vent the actual rocket's exhaust gasses differently.

And the SAS (bloody Thatcher!) and SEALS (or D-Force, I forget which of the two) who trained them showed them how to do this, after researching it themselves for quite a significant while.

After a few cross-border meetups, some of the fighters in Iraq now know how to do this.

Wait...did I miss something, or are you claiming that the US and UK trained ETA? :confused:

Wait...did I miss something, or are you claiming that the US and UK trained ETA? :confused:

No, Yootopia thinks that people are too dumb to fashion a gas deflector for an RPG out of sheet aluminum and lay on their backs to shoot at low flying helicopters.

The VietCong did this with their version of the RPG (it was called the B-50).

Sorry, Yootopia, the idea wasn't taught to them by the Americans...

No, Yootopia thinks that people are too dumb to fashion a gas deflector for an RPG out of sheet aluminum and lay on their backs to shoot at low flying helicopters.

The VietCong did this with their version of the RPG (it was called the B-50).

Sorry, Yootopia, the idea wasn't taught to them by the Americans...

Oh, okay. My bad.

Still, though, Yoo's notion is, of course, ludicrous. But then, what can one expect from someone who blames the US for everything from saggy diapers that leak to genital herpes?

I find it rather odd that despite this global war on terror Bush keeps going on about, that he seems to have totally ignored the breaking of a 9-month cease-fire by one of Europe's most dangerous terrorist groups.
Bush is hardly going to attack or invade Spain now, is he?

Bush is hardly going to attack or invade Spain now, is he?

Gee, you can't make Pyotr happy. If we invade a country, it's bad, and if we don't invade a country, it's bad. :p

Gee, you can't make Pyotr happy. If we invade a country, it's bad, and if we don't invade a country, it's bad. :p

Yup, damned if we do; damned if we don't. Goes back to my "saggy diapers" remark. ;)

Bush is hardly going to attack or invade Spain now, is he?

Gee, you can't make Pyotr happy. If we invade a country, it's bad, and if we don't invade a country, it's bad. :p

Yup, damned if we do; damned if we don't. Goes back to my "saggy diapers" remark. ;)

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You just love putting words in other people's mouths doncha Eve?

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:rolleyes:

Can you name any instances where Al-Qaeda attacked British interests? Sept. 11. 2001. Until that point the worst attack on Brittish citizens in history. The july train bombings may have been worse.
What about Saddam attacking any of their interests?None that were worth the war effort.
Yet Britain still aids us in the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, its called being allies.Yeah, but you probably shouldn't follow your friends off a cliff, though I think you'll agree with that sentiment.
Also, Spain is a member of NATO is it not?
But ETA is a domestic enemy. That would be like Spain helping us with our fight against the 18th Street Gang.

Back in the real world, very interesting that a Batasua leader asked ETA to explain why they planted this bomb and what it was meant to achieve.

Looks like a split may be looming between the military and the political.

That appears to be most likely. Bears all the hallmarks of the late 1990's in Northern Ireland.

Wait...did I miss something, or are you claiming that the US and UK trained ETA? :confused:
No, but they did train and fund the Majuhadeen, which is what we were discussing.

And I don't blame the US for everything, merely things that it's actually done. Which is still a fairly notable amount.



From the wiki article :

"The mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States (during the Carter and Reagan administrations), Saudi Arabia, the People's Republic of China, several European countries, Iran, and Pakistan (during the Zia-ul-Haq military regime). The Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was the interagent used in the majority of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance.

Ronald Reagan praised them as freedom fighters."


And you can't honestly doubt that the Taliban that the US and other NATO forces in Afghanistan were once at least a part of the Majuhadeen, can you?

No, but they did train and fund the Majuhadeen, which is what we were discussing.

Some of the Mujihadin, but not the Taliban.

The Taliban were a creation of the Pakistani ISI. Read your history.

No, Yootopia thinks that people are too dumb to fashion a gas deflector for an RPG out of sheet aluminum and lay on their backs to shoot at low flying helicopters.
I don't think that they were too dumb, merely that the idea probably hadn't occured to them before.
The VietCong did this with their version of the RPG (it was called the B-50).
Which is an RPG-2 rather than the RPG-7 most used by the Majuhadeen. Different weapons, and different measures needed to be taken.
Sorry, Yootopia, the idea wasn't taught to them by the Americans...
By who, then?