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poll: most us military disagree with Bush on Iraq

Liuzzo
03-01-2007, 16:02
Granted it's a representitive sample but this is not looking good. When even the military believes you to be a total F up then you probably are.


Poll of military finds dimmer view of Iraq war
By Robert Hodierne

Military Times

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President Bush stands with, from left, Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Peter Pace on Thursday in Crawford, Texas.


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WASHINGTON — The U.S. military, once a staunch supporter of President Bush and the Iraq war, has grown increasingly pessimistic about chances for victory, a new poll says.

For the first time, more troops disapprove of the president's handling of the war than approve of it, according to the 2006 Military Times Poll.

When the military was feeling most optimistic about the war — in 2004 — 83 percent of poll respondents said success in Iraq was likely. This year, that number is down to 50 percent.

Only 35 percent of military members polled this year said they approve of the way Bush is handling the war, and 42 percent said they disapprove. While approval of the president's war leadership has slumped, his overall approval remains high among the military.

Just as telling, only 41 percent of the military now say the United States should have gone to war in Iraq, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects beliefs of the general population — 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today-Gallup poll.

The Military Times survey, conducted by mail Nov. 13 through Dec. 22, is the fourth annual gauge of active-duty military subscribers to the newspapers. Results are not representative of the military as a whole. The survey's respondents, 945 this year, are on average older, more experienced, more likely to be officers and more career-oriented than the overall military population.

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U.S. casualties: Three Marines were killed in battle in Iraq, the military said Friday, making December the year's deadliest month for U.S. troops with the toll reaching 106. The Marines, all assigned to Regimental Combat Team 5, died Thursday of wounds during fighting in western Anbar province, the U.S. military said. At least 2,997 members of the U.S. military have been killed in the war, according to an Associated Press count.

Iraqis slain: A suicide bomber killed at least nine people near a Shiite mosque Friday in Baghdad, and 32 tortured bodies were found across the country.

U.S. launches raids: U.S. troops killed six people and destroyed a weapons cache in separate raids in Baghdad and northwest of the Iraqi capital, the military said.

Iranian suspects freed: Two senior Iranian operatives who were detained by U.S. forces in Iraq and were strongly suspected of planning attacks against American military forces and Iraqi targets were expelled to Iran on Friday, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials. The decision to free the men was made by the Iraqi government and has angered U.S. military officials.


Seattle Times news services

The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Among respondents, 66 percent have deployed at least once to Iraq or Afghanistan. That number is 72 percent in the overall active-duty force, according to the Department of Defense.

The poll has come to be viewed by some as a barometer of the professional career military. It is the only independent poll done on an annual basis.

Professor David Segal, director of the Center for Research on Military Organization at the University of Maryland, said he was not surprised by the changing attitude within the military.

"They're seeing more casualties and fatalities and less progress," Segal said. "Part of what we're seeing is a recognition that the intelligence that led to the war was wrong."

Segal said he believes military opinion often mirrors that of the civilian population, even though it might lag in time. He also said the military "will always be more pro-military and pro-war than the civilians. That's why they are in this line of work."

Whatever war plan Bush announces next month, its ultimate goal likely will be to replace U.S. troops with Iraqis. The military is not optimistic that will happen soon.

Only about one in every five service members said large numbers of U.S. troops can be replaced with Iraqi troops within two years. More than one-third think it will take more than five years. And more than half think the United States will have to stay in Iraq more than five years to achieve its goals.

Almost half of those responding think the United States needs more troops in Iraq. A surprising 13 percent said the United States should have no troops there.

As for Afghanistan force levels, 39 percent think more U.S. troops are needed there. But while they want more troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, nearly three-quarters of respondents think the military is stretched too thin to be effective.

Approval for Bush's overall performance as president remains high, at 52 percent. That's down from his high of 71 percent in 2004, but still far better than approval ratings of the general population, where that number has fallen into the 30s.

Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company
Kryozerkia
03-01-2007, 16:12
Everyone else was predicting this years ago...
Liuzzo
03-01-2007, 16:19
Everyone else was predicting this years ago...

Agreed. I've gone over past journal notes, new articles, Op=Ed pieces, etc. that I've written over the past 6 years and nearly everything I've said has come through crystal clear and true. I'm not saying I'm omnipotent or even the smartest guy in the world, but others really couldn't see this coming? Or were they trying to fool themselves into believing everything would be fine and dandy. Fiding Bush supporters who will speak up is increasibly hard and mostly you get childish reponses with the reasoning skils of a 7 year old. That and name calling. George W. Bush represents all that is all that is wrong with America. Overpriveleged snots who know nothing and are used to getting everything they want who find out that the world doesn't work their way when the game is not rigged.
RLI Rides Again
03-01-2007, 17:26
When even the military believes you to be a total F up then you probably are.

-snip-

Those liberal traitors should shut up and support the troops! :mad:

Oh, wait...
Liuzzo
03-01-2007, 18:58
Those liberal traitors should shut up and support the troops! :mad:

Oh, wait...

wonderful humor. Perfect example of what Bill O'Reilly might still say on his show being the pompous windbag he is.
Kyronea
03-01-2007, 19:10
wonderful humor. Perfect example of what Bill O'Reilly might still say on his show being the pompous windbag he is.

"Oh, we know who it really is in the military saying these things. It's the liberals signing up in droves left and right just so they can insult the President and make the military look worse."

That, or something akin to that, I guarantee you will be said by O'Reilly.
Liuzzo
03-01-2007, 19:22
"Oh, we know who it really is in the military saying these things. It's the liberals signing up in droves left and right just so they can insult the President and make the military look worse."

That, or something akin to that, I guarantee you will be said by O'Reilly.

It just follows the whole dystopia side of logic here. O'Reilly claims to have a no spin zone when his entire life and show are made of spin. It's just bullshit from his perspective rather than someone else's. Bill's a big guy and has probably been bullying the smaller, weaker "liberals" he's grown up with since birth. I would enjoy the chance to destroy Bill O'Reilly in a debate from and when he tried to get all up in his chair to be "imposing" drop his ass with some right to his glass jaw. Attitudes like this are why I have "I fear no man" tatted on my arm. That and the spiritual side of which means that I fear no man but fear only God instead. Most people who I show it to think it's some kind of tough-ass statement when it's really just a statement of my faith. No man can put me in fear when God is the only one who can judge. I know I got off on a tangent here so sorry for that. The reality is that even the military knows Bush is a flake and failure. Who are the %30 of Americans who still worship this boob?
Arinola
03-01-2007, 19:23
"Oh, we know who it really is in the military saying these things. It's the liberals signing up in droves left and right just so they can insult the President and make the military look worse."

That, or something akin to that, I guarantee you will be said by O'Reilly.

And he shall burn in hell for it.
Arinola
03-01-2007, 19:25
The reality is that even the military knows Bush is a flake and failure. Who are the %30 of Americans who still worship this boob?

Bush is a flake? What kind, the chocolate bar or the snowflake? :p

And the 30% are the blind Americans. They actually think they're voting for a giant boob.
Kulikovia
03-01-2007, 19:32
I have to say I don't agree with his policy in Iraq. Toppling Saddam and bringing democracy to Iraq were good reasons. But the way they undertook this mission was full of blunders, miscalculations, and unwise decisions. Being in the military myself I have to say that no one really talks about Bush and his policies. Political discussions in the military are never a good thing. It compromises the moral of the command and leads to fights, disagreements and a breakdown in the chain of command. I don't really think about his policies because there's no point. I agree on some things but disagree on others. I'm more of a middle of the road myself.
Liuzzo
03-01-2007, 19:32
And he shall burn in hell for it.

oooh, images of O'Reilly in hell bring joy to my mind.