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If you were a French citizen, whom would you vote for?

The poll includes only the two candidates likely to reach the second round. There will be a first round before that, with possibly over a dozen candidates.

Here's some information on the two candidates likely to make it to the second round:
*Ségolène Royal (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/segolene.html)
*Nicolas Sarkozy (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/sarkozy.html)
*Comparing "Ségo" and "Sarko" (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/sego-sarko.html)

The poll includes only the two candidates likely to reach the second round.I guess these 2 parties made the socond round (last time) ???

My vote would be for Ms Royal.

Royal FTW.

While I can't exactly say that I like Madame Royal's personality, I can say that it is irrelevant (and that I actively dislike Monsieur Sarkozy, while her I just don't like). She's closest to my stances out of the two, and she is the clear pro-LGBT candidate.

Some things she's talked about I'm not too fond of, though, like that whole military-ish camp punishment for junior delinquents thing, that was just weird, and I don't much care for her populist views on the issue of Turkey joining the EU ("My opinion is that of the French people" - bitch, s'il te plaît!). I'm also not so keen on her being so family politics-oriented in her platform, but she still sucks less than Sarkozy.

I would vote for Nicolas Sarkozy if only he wasn’t so crazy on the security (though this is just vote grabbing if you ask me) the man is clearly skilled at politics and a good leader and his good image of the U.S could be fairly important in bridging the gap between the two countries

However I have to vote for royal sadly even if she is anti-thong and pro censorship, I think the last thing France needs now is a harsher policy on immigration

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You showed her!

You showed her!

"T'aimes ca, hein, salope!"

"But there is one difference: while Nicolas Sarkozy promises changes, Segolene Royal believes in making the changes."

Isn't that...I don't know...a little...biased, maybe?

Sarkozy. I never vote left.

I guess these 2 parties made the socond round (last time) ???

No, last time was the 2002 election, with the shock of Le Pen's National Front making the second round.


While I can't exactly say that I like Madame Royal's personality, I can say that it is irrelevant (and that I actively dislike Monsieur Sarkozy, while her I just don't like). She's closest to my stances out of the two, and she is the clear pro-LGBT candidate.

Some things she's talked about I'm not too fond of, though, like that whole military-ish camp punishment for junior delinquents thing, that was just weird, and I don't much care for her populist views on the issue of Turkey joining the EU ("My opinion is that of the French people" - bitch, s'il te plaît!). I'm also not so keen on her being so family politics-oriented in her platform, but she still sucks less than Sarkozy.

That's almost point for point my view.

I won't vote for either of them in the first round (I'll vote for one the smaller parties closer to my own views), but in the second round I'll probably vote Royal. I'm not certain yet. I definitely won't vote Sarkozy, but I may yet vote blank.


Sarkozy. I never vote left.

I wouldn't exactly call Ségolène Royal "left-wing"...

not being french, i don't have the slightest idea who any of those people are, but i can tell you this, if is was french, i'd vote for a socialist, and especialy one who would restore rail service to the highest levels it was ever at, and maybe even raise gas taxes to do so.

to hell with linguistic purity, but welfare and infrastructure are the only reasons to have any government of any kind anywhere.

=^^=
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if is was french, i'd vote for a socialist

Define "socialist". Royal is the candidate of the Parti Socialiste, but few would call her socialist in any meaningful sense.

Would you vote for Royal in the first round, or for a smaller left-wing party that is genuinely left-wing? And in the second round, would you vote Royal?

I seem to remember being quite shocked at how Sarkozy dealt with the Parisian riots in 2005. I remember there being accusations that he was more interested in repressing the problem than preventing it. A very New-Labour-esque strategy - 'if there isn't going to be any spin as result, then why bother?'. I think he's also quite chummy with Blair, and admires how he manipulates the media. Or this is what I seem to remember. So I do not think I could vote for Sarkozy.

Depends. What policies are they in for? I probably wouldn't like either of the two from what I'm reading, but from what I've read, I would simply not vote.

Law and order -- During the 2002 campaign, law and order came to the forefront, especially with respect to unruly youth from poor suburbs. In the Fall of 2005, in some of these suburbs significant unrest erupted. Again, law and order will be a forefront issues, with mainstream candidates tackling the problem of reining in unruly youngsters. Already, right-wing candidate Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed measures to change criminal procedure for youngsters, while left-wing candidate Ségolène Royal has proposed to send unruly youths to centers under military discipline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_elections%2C_2007

That kinda convinced me that they were both useless, Populist shmucks who were playing to the old fogeys, so I would support neither.

That kinda convinced me that they were both useless, Populist shmucks who were playing to the old fogeys, so I would support neither.

In which case the question is raised of whether to vote for the lesser evil (which in my view would be Royal).

By the way, for more on various candidate and potential candidates, Wikpedia has a list and articles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_elections%2C_2007#Politicians_who_may_pursue_a_candidacy_for_the_2007_presidenti al_election). (They list Chirac as a possible candidate, but I think that's extremely unlikely.)

Segolene Royal. I think she'd be a decent president, and I don't trust Sarkozy.

The non-Sarkozy.

While I can't exactly say that I like Madame Royal's personality, I can say that it is irrelevant (and that I actively dislike Monsieur Sarkozy, while her I just don't like). She's closest to my stances out of the two, and she is the clear pro-LGBT candidate.

Some things she's talked about I'm not too fond of, though, like that whole military-ish camp punishment for junior delinquents thing, that was just weird, and I don't much care for her populist views on the issue of Turkey joining the EU ("My opinion is that of the French people" - bitch, s'il te plaît!). I'm also not so keen on her being so family politics-oriented in her platform, but she still sucks less than Sarkozy.
Yeah I thought they had the Legion for that, but besides that she would be my choice.

how much power does a president have anyway in france? and something i've always wondered, what are presidents good for anyway?
i voted for the woman, because she's the lesser of evils imo. and i would also like to see a woman as president, 50% of mankind are women, but how many heads of state are women? and women tend to be less agressive and posses other traits i tend to value (but i doubt this also counts for women in politics)
that being said i surely wouldn't vote for her in the first round. the military punishments for young criminals kind of turned me off.

Sarkozy. I never vote left.

You would love Jean Marie Le Pen.

Anyway, I'd vote for Royal, but mainly because she's not Sarkozy. I'll actually be in France during the elections, so I'll get to see how they work over there.

However I have to vote for royal sadly even if she is anti-thong and pro censorship, I think the last thing France needs now is a harsher policy on immigration

That's exactly why Sarkozy is the man for the job.

Vive Sarkozy!

Anyway, I'd vote for Royal, but mainly because she's not Sarkozy. I'll actually be in France during the elections, so I'll get to see how they work over there.

Welcome in advance. :)

And if I do vote Royal, it'll be as the lesser of two evils, yes.

If I were French, I'd probably go for Buffet in the first round, and Royal in the second, although I don't know enough about French politics to say in the first round with any kind of accuracy. Personally I think having Presidential and Assembly elections every 5 years is a complete farce, four is long enough in the UK...

That's exactly why Sarkozy is the man for the job.

Vive Sarkozy!

I think you'd like Le Pen too.

Welcome in advance.

Merci :)

If I were French, I'd probably go for Buffet in the first round, and Royal in the second, although I don't know enough about French politics to say in the first round with any kind of accuracy. Personally I think having Presidential and Assembly elections every 5 years is a complete farce, four is long enough in the UK...

The problem is making sure that Royal gets to the second round. In the last elections it was Chirac and Le Pen, while the Parti Socialiste candidate came in third. I haven't seen poll numbers, but I've heard that the Front National has been making gains in them.

Spoiled ballot, as per the fact that I'm an American.

Spoiled ballot, as per the fact that I'm an American.

The question was what would you vote if you were French.

Incidentally, a new poll today says (although one should always be cautious of polls) that Royal would defeat Sarkozy in the second round with 52%.

"Rôti ou bouilli ?"

Ségo because I hate Sarko, but that won't be a pleasure. If she's elected, some leaders in the french media will probably be rewarded ...:upyours:

I clearly understand why her name is "Royal", and it's not a good omen ...

As far as Royal isn't a proper socialist, she's still a far better bet than Sarkozy.

The question was what would you vote if you were French.

Incidentally, a new poll today says (although one should always be cautious of polls) that Royal would defeat Sarkozy in the second round with 52%.

I read that in Le Monde. Too small a margin for my liking.

If past experience is anything to go by (excepting 2002), it's not all that likely to get wider. The winner may be elected with less than 51%. But yes, it does mean that anything can still happen.

I don't think I like either of them, but not being French, I don't really know what the issues at hand are.

Would you vote for Royal in the first round, or for a smaller left-wing party that is genuinely left-wing? And in the second round, would you vote Royal?No,No and No...
Blank vote all the way

While not a proper leftist, Segolene Royal is far better than the alternative. Sarkovsky is far too right wing for my taste and oddly, frightens me. France has always been spiky in international affairs, Sarkovsky would make their politics downright belligerant.

Chirac is going to be gone? :(

The Socialist woman...

Is the French system like the German one ??
reelection-limits... or not?

Chirac is going to be gone? :( YEAH.. Chirac is THE better option.. by far..

Blank vote all the way

Why?

Why?the current options on the table are not good enough.

Blank vote all the way

That answers the question I was about to ask you.


Is the French system like the German one ??
reelection-limits... or not?

No, no re-election limits. (Which, incidentally, is why it amuses me when people say that Chavez wanting to remove such limits means turning Venezuela into a "dictatorship"...)


Chirac is going to be gone? :(

Well, we have had him for 12 years... Although I have to say that, if Sarko gets in, I'm really going to wish we were back in the Chirac days.

No, no re-election limits. (Which, incidentally, is why it amuses me when people say that Chavez wanting to remove such limits means turning Venezuela into a "dictatorship"...)I feel the very same way...

That answers the question I was about to ask you.
Yup.. sorry about that.

I am always considering (my) replies avaible.. to (their) replies generated by my posts.
Its like thinking 2 moves ahead of me.

must be a reflex from my Chess tournament years... :D

Whilst I’m afraid I don’t like Sarkozy, I’m afraid I like Royale even less but I’ve thought she’d win this election since the middle of 2004. It seems to be that clear who'll win.

I’d adore for a woman president but my political views come first as I am right wing (by no means am I suggesting Royale is left, she’s always been quite conservative) so I sadly have to default to Sarkozy.

Unfortunately, the policy announcements Chriac made in his address with only 5 months (?) left in office suggest he has the intention of standing which would completely eliminate any chance of a Sarkozy victory. He needs to announce his support of Sarkozy now if he’s to stand a chance.

The fact Chirac will probably be arrested for his dubious major affairs once he loses his immunity is probably holding some sway over his decision isn’t it?:D

If you were a French citizen, whom would you vote for?

The poll includes only the two candidates likely to reach the second round. There will be a first round before that, with possibly over a dozen candidates.

Here's some information on the two candidates likely to make it to the second round:
*Ségolène Royal (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/segolene.html)
*Nicolas Sarkozy (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/sarkozy.html)
*Comparing "Ségo" and "Sarko" (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/sego-sarko.html)
I'd vote for Sarkozy, though I must admit that "Royal" is such a beautiful name. Anyway, Sarkozy is a right wing (for Euro-standards atleast) politician, who has seemed destined for power since his birth, and is clearly a politician after my own heart. I also think he may further bridge gaps between America and France that a socialist/left wing could never do. It would be the smart thing for France to do.

Also, to Le Pen, I've heard good and I've heard bad...but I just dont know as much about Le Pen as I do Schweizerische Volkspartei (Switzerland), Dansk Folkeparti (Denmar), and Vlaams Blok (Flanders), which are, conviently my favorite parties in Europe. Aridda, or any others...mind filling me in on Le Pen?

Isn't that...I don't know...a little...biased, maybe?
"But there is one difference: while Nicolas Sarkozy promises changes, Segolene Royal believes in making the changes."
Yes, that seems terribly biased. Ariddia, don't you agree?

Unfortunately, the policy announcements Chriac made in his address with only 5 months (?) left in office suggest he has the intention of standing which would completely eliminate any chance of a Sarkozy victory. He needs to announce his support of Sarkozy now if he’s to stand a chance.

The fact Chirac will probably be arrested for his dubious major affairs once he loses his immunity is probably holding some sway over his decision isn’t it?:DEven if I think Chirac is not all that great.. The other 2 options are the lesser ones.

My vote goes to Chirac.

Intersting point.. even If Chirac is the standing Rigth wing president.. Many Segolene's views are more conservative than Chirac's.

Also, to Le Pen, I've heard good and I've heard bad...but I just dont know as much about Le Pen as I do Schweizerische Volkspartei (Switzerland), Dansk Folkeparti (Denmar), and Vlaams Blok (Flanders), which are, conviently my favorite parties in Europe. Aridda, or any others...mind filling me in on Le Pen?

Then I'm sure you'd like the FN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_%28France%29#Political_platform

Then I'm sure you'd like the FN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_%28France%29#Political_platform
Meh..some points I agree with...others not. Not as good as the other three parties I listed.

Two major things I frown upon in the party.

"The establishment of tariffs or other protectionist measures against cheap imports." ...meh, I'm pretty free-market.

Also..the revionism (though not a official stance of the party) of the holocaust, WWII..ect. Its over...God.

I'd have to decide between these guys and Sarkozy...but I'm leaning towards Sarkozy.

Thanks btw.

George W. Bush. I would love to see him run France. The comic value of such a thing would be priceless.

George W. Bush. I would love to see him run France. The comic value of such a thing would be priceless.LOL.. you really want to punish the French.. dont ya? :D

why are there no decent candidates in elections?

why are there no decent candidates in elections?that is the one million Dollars question.

that is the one million Dollars question.Wait let me rephrase that,
in my Country "that is the 4 billion dollars Question"

2004 ELECTIONS EXPECTED TO COST NEARLY $4 BILLION
WASHINGTON, D.C. – The 2004 presidential and congressional elections will cost a record $3.9 billion, according to projections based on a study of campaign finance figures by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. The estimate represents a 30 percent increase over the $3 billion spent on federal elections four years ago.

The presidential race alone, fueled by massive spending by President Bush, Sen. John Kerry, the political parties and a host of advocacy groups spending millions on ads and voter mobilization, is expected to cost an unprecedented $1.2 billion or more.
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/ecology/04money.htm

The OP is joking?

Unfortunately, the policy announcements Chriac made in his address with only 5 months (?) left in office suggest he has the intention of standing


I very strongly doubt he will. I take it to mean he just wants to leave a respectable legacy, and be remembered for the good things he'll have done at the end of his term. Rather than for having pissed the entire world off in '95, at the beginning of his first term, with the nuclear tests in the Pacific.


He needs to announce his support of Sarkozy now if he’s to stand a chance.


Not going to happen. They hate each other. ;)


The fact Chirac will probably be arrested for his dubious major affairs once he loses his immunity is probably holding some sway over his decision isn’t it?:D

Hehe... The judges will pounce on him as soon as he's no longer president. But I assume he'll get an amnesty from his successor. But yes, for a while there were many jokes about Chirac being headed for prison as soon as he leaves office.


Also, to Le Pen, I've heard good and I've heard bad...but I just dont know as much about Le Pen as I do Schweizerische Volkspartei (Switzerland), Dansk Folkeparti (Denmar), and Vlaams Blok (Flanders), which are, conviently my favorite parties in Europe. Aridda, or any others...mind filling me in on Le Pen?


Does the Wikipedia article answer your question?

If not, take a look here (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/le-pen.html).


Yes, that seems terribly biased. Ariddia, don't you agree?

I found that downright puzzling. My only explanation is that the writer may have been a francophone trying to say something else, and getting it wrong in English. But yes, it does seem weird.


Intersting point.. even If Chirac is the standing Rigth wing president.. Many Segolene's views are more conservative than Chirac's.

In some ways, yes. The whole of French politics is taking a swing to the right. Royal is part of the right wing of the Parti Socialiste, and Sarkozy part of the right wing of the UMP. Whereas Chirac is far more of a centrist, who has defended the "modèle social français" - which Sarkozy wants to chuck out, and which Royal probably won't leave untouched either.

The OP is joking?

Most definitely not. Why would you think that?

That kinda convinced me that they were both useless, Populist shmucks who were playing to the old fogeys, so I would support neither.
The clear difference there is that Sarkozy believes in sweeping the youths into prisons, while Royal believes in giving them a chance to turn their lives around for the better. She's certainly more progressive.

Most definitely not. Why would you think that?

My mistake, wrong thread....:rolleyes:

In any case, my vote would be for Sarkozy.

YEAH.. Chirac is THE better option.. by far..
Umm, Chirac is of the same party as Sarkozy.

Also, to Le Pen, I've heard good and I've heard bad...but I just dont know as much about Le Pen as I do Schweizerische Volkspartei (Switzerland), Dansk Folkeparti (Denmar), and Vlaams Blok (Flanders), which are, conviently my favorite parties in Europe. Aridda, or any others...mind filling me in on Le Pen?
He despises Muslims, the EU and has a thinly veiled admiration for Hitler. So he's probably right up your alley.

Umm, Chirac is of the same party as Sarkozy.


He despises Muslims, the EU and has a thinly veiled admiration for Hitler. So he's probably right up your alley.

Actually, omitting the last part, he's a damn good politician.

Umm, Chirac is of the same party as Sarkozy.


True, but their views on some issues are radically opposed.

Not going to happen. They hate each other.

That point was kinda raised when we were discussing this a few days ago in real life.

I just hope that Chirac can put aside personal issues so that Segolene doesn't get handed the presidency on a platter (unless of course he thinks she's more likely to grant him amnesty than his rival :D).

I very strongly doubt he will. I take it to mean he just wants to leave a respectable legacy.
Ah I think I see, it seems all politicians attempt this doesn't it?

A wonderful creative image at the end and an attempt to impose his political will on his successor because no executive can ever can let go wrapped into one lovely little present.

The whole of French politics is taking a swing to the right.

I believe this is part of a general trend across Europe to take a swing to the right isn't it? The threat of terrorism, and shared (baseless IMO) paranoia about immigration seems to be controlling the vote in quite a number of nations.

However, whilst I dislike the socially conservative right I am pleased to see some economically right wing leaders getting elected.

It also made me chuckle when the European version of The Economist printed a cover showing Margaret Thatcher stepping out of the French flag with the caption "What France needs". :D

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4966/francethatcherwj9.jpg

I just hope that Chirac can put aside personal issues so that Segolene doesn't get handed the presidency on a platter (unless of course he thinks she's more likely to grant him amnesty than his rival :D).


He may also just want to see Sarko lose for the sheer satisfaction of it.


A wonderful creative image at the end and an attempt to impose his political will on his successor because no executive can ever can let go wrapped into one lovely little present.

Especially since both Sarko and Ségo would probably undo quite a bit of what he's done.


I believe this is part of a general trend across Europe to take a swing to the right isn't it? The thread of terrorism, and shared (baseless IMO) paranoia about immigration seems to be controlling the vote in quite a number of nations.

Indeed. The rise of the right has been paralleled by the rise of the extreme right for quite a few years now, thoughout western Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, Austria... even Germany I think).


It also made me chuckle when the European version of The Economist printed a cover showing Margaret Thatcher stepping out of the French flag with the caption "What France needs". :D


Ewww! *shudders*

He may also just want to see Sarko lose for the sheer satisfaction of it.
He does seem egocentric enough to do that.

Indeed. The rise of the right has been paralleled by the rise of the extreme right for quite a few years now, thoughout western Europe (Netherlands, Belgium, Austria... even Germany I think).

I think the most notable examples there are Austria and the Netherlands. The Netherlands defeated the EU constitution as a protest against the inclusion or turkey and Austria has always been vehemently against it haven't they? Their entire presidency was seemingly dedicated to it. It was also noticeable in Belgium too which is most surprising considering that it is the centre of the EU and is composed of such varying cultures.

In my opinion though places such as Germany and Sweden may have been economically focused (despite Merkel’s failure) as in Germany the main image projected was one of “Germany’s Thatcher” whilst in Sweden the Welfare State seemed to take priority didn’t it?

Ewww! *shudders*
I know... I envy you if Segolene wins. :( Thatcher was illustrative of how we English women age; badly (I'm already going grey). Despite a facelift and voice work she still aged terribly whilst Segolene has retained her beauty, skin tone, grace, and healthy hair. Some people get all the luck don't they?:rolleyes:

The Netherlands defeated the EU constitution as a protest against the inclusion or turkey

Not just that. I don't like to see the extreme right appear to be speaking for the entire "No" vote. I know Dutch people who voted no for entirely different reasons.


Thatcher was illustrative of how we English women age; badly

Don't worry too much about it: I'm sure Thatcher's appearance is due in significant part to her personality. Her face always looks hard and aggressive because it reflects her personality.

Does the Wikipedia article answer your question?

If not, take a look here (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/special-reports/France-elections/le-pen.html).
Yeah it did...thanks. I think I'll stay with Sarkozy..the National Front is just not really an appealing nationalist party to me....I'd prefer the others I listed.

He despises Muslims, the EU and has a thinly veiled admiration for Hitler. So he's probably right up your alley.
1. He calls out the problems on Multiculturalism and Islam in Europe.

2. He calls out the loss of soveirgnty on the part of France to Eurocrats.

3. He has said some stupid things about WWII....but if you read my previous posts, I spoke out against those. Please, dont be a tool.

Don't worry too much about it: I'm sure Thatcher's appearance is due in significant part to her personality. Her face always looks hard and aggressive because it reflects her personality.
Ah, that women was the God of Europe. Similiar to our God of America, Reagan.

That kinda convinced me that they were both useless, Populist shmucks who were playing to the old fogeys, so I would support neither.

Yeah...

Ugh, i'd have to say Ms. Royal...sad to say that i'd be glad i'm French and having to make this decision if only politics down here weren't just as bad.

Yeah it did...thanks. I think I'll stay with Sarkozy..the National Front is just not really an appealing nationalist party to me....I'd prefer the others I listed.

If you're still curious, The Times has this report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2534489,00.html) on Le Pen.

Also, this report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2471882,00.html) on "infighting" within the mainstream right.

If you're still curious, The Times has this report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2534489,00.html) on Le Pen.

Also, this report (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2471882,00.html) on "infighting" within the mainstream right.
Thanks. Yeah, it seems hes a bit too shady for me liking...though I still support said goal of greatly reducing immigration/getting control of it and also controlling the mulitcultural situation.

Ah, that women was the God of Europe. Similiar to our God of America, Reagan.
Blasphemy! (in many more ways than one)

At least Reagan was elected by America, Thatcher was only elected by the UK. Mitterand in France lasted longer than she.

Thanks. Yeah, it seems hes a bit too shady for me liking...though I still support said goal of greatly reducing immigration/getting control of it and also controlling the mulitcultural situation.
It must be odd as a member of a minority group, to support these kinds of people. Why not boot out all Jews if we're getting rid of Muslims?

It must be odd as a member of a minority group, to support these kinds of people. Why not boot out all Jews if we're getting rid of Muslims?
Well, in America..Jews usually arnt look at on a minority group (in the same way as Arabs, Blacks, Latinos are)...but more a religious minority..White people who beleive in Judaism......so its not really the same level. Anyway, that isnt a good question really, because the problems with Muslims that we are discussing have nothing to do with Jews. It would be like saying, "well, why not boot out all the atheists if we're getting rid of Muslims." Or, the people who are left handed...ect.

Sarkozy has now been confirmed as the official candidate of the UMP, the main party of the French right.

France 24 report (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/world/20070114-sarkozy-candidature.html) (in English)
BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6261511.stm)
CNN report (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/01/14/france.sarkozy.ap/index.html)
Al Jazeera report (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3305D96E-7D47-4174-9E44-7A29FFA9B8C1.htm)

In the absence of Le Pen, I would vote Sarkozy.

Sarkozy

In the absence of Le Pen, I would vote Sarkozy.
Well, who wouldn't want a racist, anti-semetic bigot for a President...

having recently discovered who segolene royale is i change my vote from 'abstain' to 'segolene royale'.

Well, who wouldn't want a racist, anti-semetic bigot for a President...

Admittedly, I do find the anti-Semitism a tad much, but the repatriation part, and the nationalism, would be a fucking hoot!

Admittedly, I do find the anti-Semitism a tad much, but the repatriation part, and the nationalism, would be a fucking hoot!
Oh come on, if you are going to be a far right git, you may as well be consistent. If you don't like, say, Muslims, because of some irrational dislike, why should you want to treat Jews any differently?

Oh come on, if you are going to be a far right git, you may as well be consistent. If you don't like, say, Muslims, because of some irrational dislike, why should you want to treat Jews any differently?

Oddly, because Jews contribute a significant amount to society in regard to taxation, and have this habit of not turning to petty crime, unemployment, rioting and welfare reliance.

Oddly, because Jews contribute a significant amount to society in regard to taxation, and have this habit of not turning to petty crime, unemployment, rioting and welfare reliance.

So, say, if you were French, would you be wanting to kick out two Muslims I know who are both teachers, with high levels of qualifications and skills, currently preparing a doctoral thesis?

So, say, if you were French, would you be wanting to kick out two Muslims I know who are both teachers, with high levels of qualifications and skills, currently preparing a doctoral thesis?

Of course. I do apologise, I concede it is illogical, but Islamic immigration strikes me as a cancer at the heart of a multicultural Europe.

Of course. I do apologise, I concede it is illogical, but Islamic immigration strikes me as a cancer at the heart of a multicultural Europe.

Ah. I would have to oppose you, of course. I get on very well with them, and one of them is a close colleague of mine. She's also a feminist, but not the sexist anti-male type.

I was just curious to see your position regarding the many Muslims who are not only employed and integrated but highly qualified, contributing members of society.

Oddly, because Jews contribute a significant amount to society in regard to taxation, and have this habit of not turning to petty crime, unemployment, rioting and welfare reliance.
And neither do Backs, Muslims, Arabs, Chinese, Hindus or worshippers of the flying spaghetti monster, and this I have pointed out to you before. The owners and waiters of my local Chinese, Italian, Indian and Thai restaurants contribute. My Caribbean urologist does. My middle eastern GPs do. A guy I know who sells computers from Pakistan does. Even people who come over here to sell burgers at Burger King are contributing.

Fuck me. Even my Grandma isn't this bad.

And neither do Backs, Muslims, Arabs, Chinese, Hindus or worshippers of the flying spaghetti monster, and this I have pointed out to you before. The owners and waiters of my local Chinese, Italian, Indian and Thai restaurants contribute. My Caribbean urologist does. My middle eastern GPs do. A guy I know who sells computers from Pakistan does. Even people who come over here to sell burgers at Burger King are contributing.

Fuck me. Even my Grandma isn't this bad.

I
DON'T
CARE.

The amjority of ethnic communities do not, and, in any case, have no place in England.

have no place in England.

Out of curiosity, what would your position be regarding a British-born Muslim, who has no citizenship other than British, and speaks only English? Where would you send him/her? How would you justify sending him anywhere that isn't the one country he's a citizen of?

Would you support all expatriate Brits being forcibly repatriated back to Britain? Would you support, say, a white Kenyan who's the great-great grandson of British immigrants to Kenya being forcibly sent to Britain?

Do your views extend to black Christian British people?

Ségolène Royal