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Alright, time to vent, so I doubt most of you are going to give a damn about this.

Recently I found out that my old High School(The entire district, actually) is closing down, due to lack of funding. Now, here is what is pissing me off to no end:

The referrendum that has failed for the past several years in a row was shot down largely by farming asshats and rich-ass bastards who didn't take the goddamn time to understand what it was.

In basics, the referrendum would increase property taxes by a very tiny amount(Most places wouldn't see more than a couple dollars or so more on their property taxes-WOOO!! That's so freakin much). Thing is, the goddamn idiot farmers thought that their farmland was going to be taxed, which is a valid concern, due to them having a lot of land it would increase their taxes substantially. HOWEVER the referrendum specifically made farmland exempt from the increase in taxes, and all anyone would have had to do was go to a bloody Town Meeting(Of which several went without a single freakin person showing up), talk to the dean of Students during any number of events, or freakin' call the Goddamn bloody Town Hall to freakin find out. It was not kept quite, nobody took the god damn fucking time to find this bloody shit out.

Where do rich ass bastards come in? Well, living in Minnesota, there are alot of lakes. Lakeland these days is not cheap. The only people who really own lake land around here are rich bastards of the area. And they thought their lake land was going to be taxed. And guess what? Lake land was exempt as well! Bloody fucking hell, they are just as bloody bad as the idiotic farmers.

The other problem is that the school lost a good deal of it's Government funding. So basically, it got screwed two days to Wednesday.

Bloody. Fucking. Hell.

*put's on Libertarian hat* Taxes are da ebil
*Put's on Conservative hat* The wealthy are over taxed.

It does suck as I have seen a situation like that.....

Alright, time to vent, so I doubt most of you are going to give a damn about this.

Recently I found out that my old High School(The entire district, actually) is closing down, due to lack of funding. Now, here is what is pissing me off to no end:

The referrendum that has failed for the past several years in a row was shot down largely by farming asshats and rich-ass bastards who didn't take the goddamn time to understand what it was.

In basics, the referrendum would increase property taxes by a very tiny amount(Most places wouldn't see more than a couple dollars or so more on their property taxes-WOOO!! That's so freakin much). Thing is, the goddamn idiot farmers thought that their farmland was going to be taxed, which is a valid concern, due to them having a lot of land it would increase their taxes substantially. HOWEVER the referrendum specifically made farmland exempt from the increase in taxes, and all anyone would have had to do was go to a bloody Town Meeting(Of which several went without a single freakin person showing up), talk to the dean of Students during any number of events, or freakin' call the Goddamn bloody Town Hall to freakin find out. It was not kept quite, nobody took the god damn fucking time to find this bloody shit out.

Where do rich ass bastards come in? Well, living in Minnesota, there are alot of lakes. Lakeland these days is not cheap. The only people who really own lake land around here are rich bastards of the area. And they thought their lake land was going to be taxed. And guess what? Lake land was exempt as well! Bloody fucking hell, they are just as bloody bad as the idiotic farmers.

The other problem is that the school lost a good deal of it's Government funding. So basically, it got screwed two days to Wednesday.

Bloody. Fucking. Hell.
First, which district?

Second, I too live in Minnesota and in case you hadn't noticed we've got the highest taxes in the region and some of the highest in the nation. So I find it pretty damn understandable that some people hate the idea of any raises in taxes.

Third, half the goddamn states budget goes into public schools but it's never enough. I went to public school for the first 9 years to a private for 3 more. I can tell you right now that the private school gave me a lot better education than the public system did. And I'm not rich, my family could barely afford those 3 years so don't think I am. The problem with public schools in this state is that most of the loaded with mostly horrible instructors that are incredibly expensive and come with at least 2 assitant vice administators who get paid 100 grand a year to rubber stamp more spending into the budget (most of which is pork or personal perks). Superintendents getting paid a quarter million plus perks? Does that sound right to you? Sound like your dollar is really getting into classrooms and to kids? Hell no! Standards have dropped like a stone while the price has shot up like a rocket.

And before you go about insulting those farmers just try getting along without any. Farming is hard work and farmers deserve more respect than you're giving them.

It's morons like you who think the only solution is to throw money at the problem that made government into the bloated, gorging menace it is today.

Bloody. Fucking. Hell.

And before you go about insulting those farmers just try getting along without any. Farming is hard work and farmers deserve more respect than you're giving them.

It's morons like you who think the only solution is to throw money at the problem that made government into the bloated, gorging menace it is today.

Bloody. Fucking. Hell.

This part is the only part I'm going to respond to:

First off, I have great respect for farmers. However, they were blatantly idiotic in claiming that they didn't vote for the referendum because they thought it would raise taxes on their land, which it never would have. They THOUGHT it would, didn't spend the time and effort to be informed.

2.It's not that it would be throwing more money at the situation, it's the fact that the school NEEDS funding to even continue to survive, at all. Which is being pulled.

3.The teachers and faculty are NOT overpayed in the district. A few years back, I got the rare chance to look over the pay-bracket of the teachers. On average, 30k was the average for teachers, with those whom had been there for over 40-ish years making only 50ishk a year, the dean and superintendent were making nowhere near the 100k mark you say, and quite frankly the teachers(and faculty) were making far less for the job they were doing than they ever should have.

So yeah, salaries are way to high when they are struggling to make lower-middle class wages on average.

Thumbs up to you!

2.It's not that it would be throwing more money at the situation, it's the fact that the school NEEDS funding to even continue to survive, at all. Which is being pulled.

3.The teachers and faculty are NOT overpayed in the district. A few years back, I got the rare chance to look over the pay-bracket of the teachers. On average, 30k was the average for teachers, with those whom had been there for over 40-ish years making only 50ishk a year, the dean and superintendent were making nowhere near the 100k mark you say, and quite frankly the teachers(and faculty) were making far less for the job they were doing than they ever should have.

So yeah, salaries are way to high when they are struggling to make lower-middle class wages on average.
Why do you think I asked for the district? It must be outside the metro because that is what principals and deans are getting paid in the Twin Cities. Teachers in the Metro get paid more than teachers in greater Minnesota. You see I too once saw what teachers and administrators get paid and those in the metro get paid twice as much if not more than those in greater Minnesota.

Why do you think I asked for the district? It must be outside the metro because that is what principals and deans are getting paid in the Twin Cities. Teachers in the Metro get paid more than teachers in greater Minnesota. You see I too once saw what teachers and administrators get paid and those in the metro get paid twice as much if not more than those in greater Minnesota.

There is a reason teachers in the cities get paid more. Cities can't hold teachers. The burn out rate in cities is five years on average (that means a teacher will work there for five years before it gets bad enough they have to not only leave urban teaching, but often leave education on the whole). The challenges of cities are much different from suburbs, and require higher pay.

As sorry, but NO teacher in the US, urban or otherwise, are overpaid. The pay that, as professionals, teachers can expect is absolutly piss poor.

As sorry, but NO teacher in the US, urban or otherwise, are overpaid. The pay that, as professionals, teachers can expect is absolutly piss poor.
The quality of my education for the first 9 years was piss-poor. The private school instructors where I went weren't paid more yet they delivered better results most of the time. It can be done.

Why do you think I asked for the district? It must be outside the metro because that is what principals and deans are getting paid in the Twin Cities. Teachers in the Metro get paid more than teachers in greater Minnesota. You see I too once saw what teachers and administrators get paid and those in the metro get paid twice as much if not more than those in greater Minnesota.

Rural Minnesota. Nowhere near the Metro area. Only thing resembling "urban" in my general area is Detroit Lakes and Moorhead, if you know where that is.

There is a reason teachers in the cities get paid more. Cities can't hold teachers. The burn out rate in cities is five years on average (that means a teacher will work there for five years before it gets bad enough they have to not only leave urban teaching, but often leave education on the whole). The challenges of cities are much different from suburbs, and require higher pay.

As sorry, but NO teacher in the US, urban or otherwise, are overpaid. The pay that, as professionals, teachers can expect is absolutly piss poor.

The idea that teachers are overpaid stems from the belief that teaching is an easy job that anyone with half a brain could do. This isn't true.

Rural Minnesota. Nowhere near the Metro area. Only thing resembling "urban" in my general area is Detroit Lakes and Moorhead, if you know where that is.
Yeah, I do know where that is. Education officials get twice as much pay in the metro as rural educators. That's why I said 100k. Because that's what they get in Minneapolis and St. Paul. I live in the suburbs but things are growing faster here than I'd like.

The idea that teachers are overpaid stems from the belief that teaching is an easy job that anyone with half a brain could do. This isn't true.

Indeed. Even at that, I was appalled at the salary bracket that my district has set up.

Basically, if you had a Master's degree, and worked there for 40 years, you could hope to make at most 60k a year. And most that were there for 40 years were getting payed far less than that(I believe we had exactly one teacher who was making anywhere near that before I graduated).

Overpaid teachers... bah, for the amount of work and training required, they get payed practically nothing.

Yeah, I do know where that is. Education officials get twice as much pay in the metro as rural educators. That's why I said 100k. Because that's what they get in Minneapolis and St. Paul. I live in the suburbs but things are growing faster here than I'd like.

Ah, gotya. One must also consider the fact that cost of living in the Metro is also quite a bit more.

May I cite my favourite band, Broder Daniel, yet again?

I was out walking yesterday
I passed my old school
and I started to think back
to when I was a boy there
and all my classmates
they got real jobs now
but we are walking along
the same streets where I was born

What I’m confused about is how your farmers where such an influence on this how big can a western farming population be?

May I cite my favourite band, Broder Daniel, yet again?
No, it will be stricken from the record. Bailiff, remove that poster.

No, it will be stricken from the record. Bailiff, remove that poster.

That's a bit harsh...:(

What I’m confused about is how your farmers where such an influence on this how big can a western farming population be?

Cattle, milk cows, corn, etc. We have quite a large population in the area of farmer voters(And friends of farmers, etc).

They have quite the influence.

My Old School should have been shut down, but hasn't.

The teachers are actually overpaid (Before you complain about this, you should see the wages. Wealthiest are in the city basically, there were two dark skinned people there, because they're parents were rich lawyers, and this is NZ) and do nothing. I'm not the first one who's had to have the police remove me from that school.

My current school (College) the teachers are often underpaid, and have to put up with a lot of shit.

Sucks that it happened to your old school, should have happened to mine instead.

My Old School should have been shut down, but hasn't.

The teachers are actually overpaid (Before you complain about this, you should see the wages. Wealthiest are in the city basically, there were two dark skinned people there, because they're parents were rich lawyers, and this is NZ) and do nothing. I'm not the first one who's had to have the police remove me from that school.

My current school (College) the teachers are often underpaid, and have to put up with a lot of shit.

Sucks that it happened to your old school, should have happened to mine instead.

Eh, the worst part is that the school was actually pretty good, especially considering the resources they had(Many of the texts were far overdue for an upgrade), and the teachers actually gave a damn about the students, and were quite good teachers.

Recently I found out that my old High School(The entire district, actually) is closing down, due to lack of funding.
Sad. Do you have an article from the local news you can link to us, by any chance?

Sad. Do you have an article from the local news you can link to us, by any chance?

I would, but upon checking the town paper, their site is a bit defunct. I'm sure I can find a local paper from the area, but I'm going to need to do some headscratching to find it.