NationStates Jolt Archive


Best Political Leader...

IL Ruffino
02-01-2007, 09:31
.. from the other party?

Who do you respect, and would willingly support, from a different political party that is not your own?
Athesitica
02-01-2007, 09:32
.. from the other party?

Who do you respect, and would willingly support, from a different political party that is not your own?

Ex-Senator Lincoln Chaffe
Christmahanikwanzikah
02-01-2007, 09:33
< Republican

I'd either say FDR or JFK, mostly because of their staunce stance in foreign policy...

although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.
Athesitica
02-01-2007, 09:35
Can you blame him? He probably didn't see them the Nazis or the Japs as a threat.
Rainbowwws
02-01-2007, 09:37
Thats an easy one
http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/5/59/Cthulhu-elections.gif
Wallonochia
02-01-2007, 09:37
although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.

lol
Santiagazo
02-01-2007, 09:40
< Republican

I'd either say FDR or JFK, mostly because of their staunce stance in foreign policy...

although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.

I hope that was a joke. I'm going to let all the uninitiated readers know that is was '41.
Rhaomi
02-01-2007, 09:41
Probably Giuliani. He's good. I used to like McCain, but he's been truckling too much to Bush and the pro-war crowd (is that true anymore, btw?) recently. Plus, he's against net neutrality... :rolleyes:
Artegina Regalia
02-01-2007, 09:41
Political parties are nonsense. They keep people from thinking for themselves.




Anyway... Frank Zappa. I would vote for him in a heart beat. It's a shame he died. The man was a genious.
Kanabia
02-01-2007, 09:42
I usually vote Green, but i'd vote for this guy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Georgiou)

He's a member of our right-wing party, but is very liberal on social issues (supporting euthanasia, abortion, gay civil unions, and speaking out against the mandatory detention policies and reaction against multiculturalism within the party). Since both of the major parties follow nearly identical economic policies and the social conservatives are also fairly strong in the Labor party, I figure i'd have nothing to lose anyway.
Neu Leonstein
02-01-2007, 09:42
Peter Costello, probably.
New Ausha
02-01-2007, 09:50
.. from the other party?

Who do you respect, and would willingly support, from a different political party that is not your own?

I am a Conservative Libertarian. Therefore I suppose....A Liberal Libertarian I admire is....screw it, im naming a democrat.


JFK- Good Job with avoiding the missle crisis.

Clinton- Good job with cutting the defecit.

Mike Meyers- for being so damn funny.
Kanabia
02-01-2007, 09:53
lol

lol seconded.
New Ausha
02-01-2007, 09:54
Can you blame him? He probably didn't see them the Nazis or the Japs as a threat.

Then again mate, there is the theroy that he needed justification, too go into Europe.

At least, thats my dads firm conviction. Ohhh the debates....
Christmahanikwanzikah
02-01-2007, 09:56
I hope that was a joke. I'm going to let all the uninitiated readers know that is was '41.

yeah, im sorry :p
Athesitica
02-01-2007, 09:56
Then again mate, there is the theroy that he needed justification, too go into Europe.

At least, thats my dads firm conviction. Ohhh the debates....


That is quite possible as well. The people most likely wanted a reason for the sacrifice they would be giving and at the time the threats were miminal to the United States.
Seangoli
02-01-2007, 09:59
Then again mate, there is the theroy that he needed justification, too go into Europe.

At least, thats my dads firm conviction. Ohhh the debates....

Quite frankly, that's probably it. There was pretty much 0 support for going to war before pearl harbor, had he declared war before the 1940's election, he would have easily been defeated by any opponent proposing an anti-war plan, which in turn means that the only chance at all he could have had to go to war was after the election in '40, which would leave little over a year from when we actually did. When you factor in massive support after Pearl Harbor, and American morale being heightened, I doubt that year would have made any difference at all, and likely would have turned out far worse.

So, basically, to go to war we needed Pearl Harbor.
Christmahanikwanzikah
02-01-2007, 10:02
Quite frankly, that's probably it. There was pretty much 0 support for going to war before pearl harbor, had he declared war before the 1940's election, he would have easily been defeated by any opponent proposing an anti-war plan, which in turn means that the only chance at all he could have had to go to war was after the election in '40, which would leave little over a year from when we actually did. When you factor in massive support after Pearl Harbor, and American morale being heightened, I doubt that year would have made any difference at all, and likely would have turned out far worse.

So, basically, to go to war we needed Pearl Harbor.

there was 0 support for going to war before pearl harbor because the US didnt want to get involved in another global conflict. in fact, many historians point out that america exhibited isolationist policies after their entrance into WW1. for starters, and the majority of their explanation for this policy, the US backed out of the league of nations signing.

and im still kind of shocked that i said '43. there have honestly been times where ive been burned out (like tonight) and ive forgotten when both WW1 and 2 have ended...
Christmahanikwanzikah
02-01-2007, 10:07
also of note... America started the Lend-Lease Act a year or so before entering the war; if it was either a way to end the war quicker or just have a way to stay out, thats debatable.
UnHoly Smite
02-01-2007, 10:33
.. from the other party?

Who do you respect, and would willingly support, from a different political party that is not your own?


Nobody. I hate and refuse to support all people the same. As far as I am concerned they both suck.
Delator
02-01-2007, 11:10
As soon as someone from either party comes along who is worth "supporting" I'll let you know.

I vote for the monkeys they parade in front of me, but that doesn't mean I support them.
Congo--Kinshasa
02-01-2007, 11:27
< Republican

I'd either say FDR or JFK, mostly because of their staunce stance in foreign policy...

although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.

He wanted to get us involved much earlier, though.
Jello Biafra
02-01-2007, 13:29
Hm. I'm registered as a Democrat, but tend to support the Greens. Would either count as the "other party". Or would I have to name a <holds nose> Republican?
Kinda Sensible people
02-01-2007, 14:55
Either Lincon Chafee (who, I suppose, is a RINO, so he may not count), or Rudy Giuliani.

Probably Rudy Giuliani, since we could give him the theme song, "Rudy Can't Fail."
Ceia
02-01-2007, 15:15
I've always found it funny how I'm consistently to the right of all the Americans I meet (except on racial issues), even though I've (1) never lived in the USA and (2) have lived in countries many Americans believe are "socialist".

Anyway, opposition party... um.... yeah.... apparently we have those :confused:
Ichiro Ozawa (may he recover soon) is the opposition leader I like best, since he's a rabid right-winger and perenial trouble maker.
Utaho
02-01-2007, 20:55
Ex-Senator Lincoln Chaffe

*Sees Lincoln Chafee* :sniper: :sniper:
Utaho
02-01-2007, 20:58
Who do I like the most on the other side?I would have to say Ralph Nader,for causing Gore to lose Florida.
Farnhamia
02-01-2007, 20:59
Peter Costello, probably.

Lou Costello (http://www.masquersclub.org/presidents-lou-costello.jpg).
Hobos That Read
02-01-2007, 21:16
The late David Lange. (http://en.wikipedia.com/wiki/David_Lange)

Smart, witty and pissed off Amerika:p
New Domici
02-01-2007, 21:51
< Republican

I'd either say FDR or JFK, mostly because of their staunce stance in foreign policy...

although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.

FDR did not avoid the war. Isolationist conservatives didn't want to go to war and argued vociferously against joining it. FDR pushed as hard as he could for joining the war, did everything he could without Congress' help (in those days it was Congress that had to declare war) to support the Allies when the US was officially neutral.

As for my entry.

Roosevelt. The last decent Republican president. So decent in fact that the Republicans wouldn't let him have a another term despite the fact that he won the popular votes in the primary. An environmentalist before there even was a word for it and so tough a bullet to the chest couldn't shut him up. I'd go so far as to say one of the best presidents ever and if they ever put Reagan's face on Rushmore as some of his fans wish, they should first put Teddy Roosevelt's butt right above the designated spot.
New Domici
02-01-2007, 21:52
Lou Costello (http://www.masquersclub.org/presidents-lou-costello.jpg).

Elvis Costello? (http://www.google.com/musica?aid=75v3kJtjKCK&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result)
Soheran
02-01-2007, 21:52
Um... Connie Morella?
Zarakon
02-01-2007, 21:53
Abe Lincoln
Greill
02-01-2007, 21:58
I don't belong to either party, but Democrats are more irritating to me than Republicans (Reps are still rather disappointing nonetheless.) I would say Joe Lieberman, but he's not a Democrat. I can't really think of any Democrat that I don't think that is less bad than the rest, so I'll just choose a Republican. Ron Paul I like, because he's an associate of the Mises Institute and inspired by Mises' works (but he seems to be quite anti-immigration, I heard him berating it on one of his paid advertisements. Ah well.)
Zarakon
02-01-2007, 21:58
I don't belong to either party, but Democrats are more irritating to me than Republicans (Reps are still rather disappointing nonetheless.) I would say Joe Lieberman, but he's not a Democrat. I can't really think of any Democrat that I don't think that is less bad than the rest, so I'll just choose a Republican. Ron Paul I like, because he's an associate of the Mises Institute and inspired by Mises' works (but he seems to be quite anti-immigration, I heard him berating it on one of his paid advertisements. Ah well.)

Joe claims to be a democrat.
Greill
02-01-2007, 22:21
Joe claims to be a democrat.

Eh, I guess.
Myseneum
02-01-2007, 22:33
< Republican

I'd either say FDR or JFK, mostly because of their staunce stance in foreign policy...

although FDR avoided the war until the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor in '43.

Egads!

FDR WANTED the war. He was chafing at the bit to get in after the Germans. Congress was keeping him back.

Sheesh...
Kinda Sensible people
02-01-2007, 23:44
Joe claims to be a democrat.

He's a DINO and a populist. If he claims to be human, I'm gonna start suspecting he's an alien.