NationStates Jolt Archive

Traditional rôles are stupid if you ask me, and not just for women, either (I don't particularly relish my "natural rôle" of hunting and fighting). I don't believe in people as abstract concepts like Man or Woman, but as individuals who must be understood individually.

Being equal to my partner makes me want to cook, clean and "serve" him. If he expected that of me, I would never do it, but because he respects me, I choose to pamper him like a 50s housewife. :fluffle:

Is this... "wrong"?

it cant be wrong as long as it is your freely chosen way of doing things.

it may still be unwise or unreciprocated though.

it cant be wrong as long as it is your freely chosen way of doing things.

it may still be unwise or unreciprocated though.

why unwise?

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
God our Almighty LOrd made man first, therefore it is fitting that women serve men!
[See Holy Bible] ;)

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
God our Almighty LOrd made man first, therefore it is fitting that women serve men!
[See Holy Bible] ;)

Um...yeah... :rolleyes:

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
God our Almighty LOrd made man first, therefore it is fitting that women serve men!
[See Holy Bible] ;)Saying shit like that makes you a ****, at least to me. So come here & service me.

Saying shit like that makes you a ****, at least to me. So come here & service me.

Easy there, flame freak. Saying shit like that makes you sound even more ignorant than the person to whom you are responding.

God our Almighty LOrd made man first

Naturally, a skilled craftsman always makes a rough model before they design the final version.;) I'm a man so I'm allowed to say this

why unwise?

keep in mind that i said MAY.

its not always wise to overserve your man. it may trap you into a pattern that in the future you become dissatified with. it may keep you from doing those things that further your own development. it may "spoil" your man so that he no longer appreciates that you are going out of your way to please him. it may keep your man from his own development of life skills like cooking, cleaning, and serving others.

Naturally, a skilled craftsman always makes a rough model before they design the final version.;) I'm a man so I'm allowed to say this

Nicely put. I'm a woman so I know what you say is correct, though there are still one or three design points that need attending to.

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
God our Almighty LOrd made man first, therefore it is fitting that women serve men!
[See Holy Bible] ;)

So... women and men all should serve the plants since they came earlier? ;)

So... women and men all should serve the plants since they came earlier? ;)

I serve lichens and moss!

Well, there are some things that one of the sexes is naturally better at - having children, for example.

Indeed. No one is suggesting that there are no basic biological differences between men and women. However, the fact that a woman can give birth to a child doesn't make her a better caregiver for that child.

Having a child might keep a woman away from her career for a couple of years.

It might, if she chooses that route. Of course, a man could just as well be away from his career for that length of time, if they decide that they want (and can afford) someone to be a stay-at-home parent for that length of time.

Is that an evil male conspiracy? No, it’s the simple fact that men can neither give birth to the child, nor feed it when it’s been born (at least not the natural way). That is, of course, not an excuse for the man to just dump all of it on the woman – he should also spent time at home to help take care of the child, and he should also get up in the middle of the night to help change diapers and bottle-feed the child. But the family needs money to survive, and if the woman is staying at home to take care of the child, then it falls to the man to be away from home and work. It’s just the way it has to be…

No, it isn't. It is the way people have dealt with it, because of enforced gender roles. At such a critical stage in the child's life, *both* parents should be able to take off of work. Many places now mandate maternity leave, but not paternity leave. But both parents should be bonding with their child at the beginning of his life, not just one.

In the same way, even though I criticise females for not being drafted alongside the males, it must be said that men generally makes better soldiers. A well trained man is bigger, stronger and more aggressive than his female counterpart. Interestingly, I’ve heard of a study that actually conclude that while men might be bigger and stronger, then women were generally tougher and better able to deal with fatigue and pain. But that a bit OT…

That isn't off-topic at all. It is rather pertinent, in fact. Men are more likely to be bigger and have more muscle strength. Women are more likely to be toughter and have a greater pain threshold. Both qualities could help them to become good soldiers, depending on their particular position in the armed forces. Thus, it would be incorrect to say that men generally make better soldiers. On average, men may be better in certain positions, while women would do better in others, but they would all be good soldiers.



No, there are some things that men, on average, are better at. There are some things that women, on average, are better at. But some men are better at the "feminine" things and some women are better at the "masculine" things. This is exactly why human beings should be treated as individuals and judged on their individual merits, rather than by assumptions made based on nothing more than their genitalia.

[quote=Mogtaria]
Soldier wise there are other reasons for keeping to a male only combat force. Rightly or Wrongly most men are suckers for a "damsel in distress" and a male soldier faced with an injured female companion is likely to take a greater risk in rescuing the fallen comrade and may jeapordise the safety of the entire unit. This is not good in a combat situtation.

People love to say this, but it doesn't actually play out in combat situations. With the current conflict in Iraq, women are in combat situations quite frequently. Patrol groups pretty much all include women in case Iraqi women need to be searched. And when they are fired upon, the men and women do their jobs. Commanding officers have been adamant that the inclusion of women has caused no problems whatsoever. Whatever their relationships might be like off-duty, when the shit hits the fan, everyone is just a soldier, regardless of gender.

The other reason is quite simply genetics. Females are more important than Males. 10 Females and 1 Male produces a more viable gene pool than 10 Males and 1 Female (not to mention the stress on the poor Female).

As soon as the human race is actually small enough for this type of differentiation to matter, we can worry about it. I don't, however, think we're in much danger of being reduced down to 11 people any time soon.

Women and men can never be treated in the same way principally because of one fundamental difference between them: women give birth.
When a woman has a child, there is no way that she can simply carry on doing her job as if nothing was happening. Without even considering the needs of the child, she would probably need to have at least 2 weeks off work to give birth.

At least 2 weeks off, eh? I know very, very few women who have taken more than a few days off of work before or after birth. Most of the women I have known worked right up until the day they went into labor and had, at most, a day or two off. Some were back at work within 24 hours.

I agree that women should take time off after an infant is born - as should the father. And they should be granted such time by their jobs. The beginning of a child's life is critical, and both parents should have ample time for bonding and getting used to the new addition.

Meanwhile, even if a woman did have a medical need for several weeks off for birth, she wouldn't be treated any differently than a man. If a man had a medical condition that made him unable to work for a few weeks, he would get medical leave, would he not?

Then someone needs to care for the baby. The mother does seem to be the obvious parent to do this - her body is designed to enable her to feed the baby, although there is nothing to stop the child's father taking on this role.

Bolding mine.

In short, women should be able to choose their path, and none should be considered "better" than another, and employers should make it easier for them to take a break from work to care for their families.

And employers should make it easier for men to do so as well.

I've been reading a couple books that make it very clear that the feminist movement of the 60s and 70s did not fix everything for us. In fact, it's backsliding. We still aren't getting paid like men, we're getting a lot of propaganda thrown at us, and they're trying to pit us against each other (the stay-at-home mom vs. the working mom feud is totally made-up and irrelevant, especially since most moms have been both at one point or another). If you're interested, check them out:

Getting Even: Why Women Don't Get Paid Like Men--and What To Do About It
http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Even-Women-Men-About/dp/074325466X/sr=8-3/qid=1168401072/ref=pd_bbs_3/105-0966662-8031628?ie=UTF8&s=books

The Mommy Myth : The Idealization of Motherhood and How It Has Undermined All Women
http://www.amazon.com/Mommy-Myth-Idealization-Motherhood-Undermined/dp/B000F3T4L8/sr=1-1/qid=1168401128/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-0966662-8031628?ie=UTF8&s=books

Hm... which tradition are we talking about? The ones of the ancient Greek matriarchy's where the Sacred Kings eventually got sacrificed? Or the Iroquois traditions where the women were the head of the household?

I bet this world would see a lot less trouble if we were subservient to women. :cool:

:D

I bet this world would be a lot better if we all pulled our heads out of our asses.:cool:

At least 2 weeks off, eh? I know very, very few women who have taken more than a few days off of work before or after birth. Most of the women I have known worked right up until the day they went into labor and had, at most, a day or two off. Some were back at work within 24 hours.
I'm surprised. Most of the women I know who have recently had children took some months off, and were fully encouraged to do so by their workplaces. Alot of employers do encourage paternity leave as well.

I'm surprised. Most of the women I know who have recently had children took some months off, and were fully encouraged to do so by their workplaces. Alot of employers do encourage paternity leave as well.

Unless it costs me my job, I'm taking paternity leave. Years from now. Many, many years from now. NOT in the near future. Please... not in the near future...

Unless it costs me my job, I'm taking paternity leave. Years from now. Many, many years from now. NOT in the near future. Please... not in the near future...What? you didn't know about our illegitimate child?

*is suffering from jet-lag, and general lack of hilarity*

What? you didn't know about our illegitimate child?

*is suffering from jet-lag, and general lack of hilarity*

Baby, you know that when I knocked you up, it was very - very legitimate.


Um...


I have to go punish myself in some way.

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
[See Holy Bible] ;)
Other pearls of Grade School Wisdom from the Bible:

Boys Rule, Girls Drool! (Lev. 27:1-7)

Be sure to give the bully ALL your lunch money when he demands it, or you'll get your ass kicked. (Acts 5:3-5)

My dad can beat up your dad. Yeah-huh, he can so, because he's the bestest in the whole world! (Exodus 18:11, 2 Chronicles 2:5)

Girls have cooties. (Lev. 12)

Women should be completely equal. And we should take pains to redress the influence of patriarchally centred ideas in our society.

as the saying goes, first come - first served.
God our Almighty LOrd made man first, therefore it is fitting that women serve men!
[See Holy Bible] ;)

Actually, the invisible pink unicorn created women first. Men are supposed to serve women, you heretic!

Actually, the invisible pink unicorn created women first. Men are supposed to serve women, you heretic!
All of us started out as female, biologically speaking, so females quite literally come first. :D