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About time somebody was doing something about the shit that was happening over there. We can use the aid to pressure the Sudanese to stop Darfur.

Where is the money coming from?

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About time somebody was doing something about the shit that was happening over there. We can use the aid to pressure the Sudanese to stop Darfur.

If you put gold dust in a pile of shit, it's still a pile of shit.

At least he's done something good, though.

Is he trying to get into heaven?

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About time somebody was doing something about the shit that was happening over there. We can use the aid to pressure the Sudanese to stop Darfur.

well cool. i was beginning to think that bush would never do anything right. thanks for posting it.

I give credit when credit is due and as much as I dislike Bush he should be commended for increasing aid to Africa.
Good job President Bush (I never thought I would say that!)

Well good for Bush and his administration.

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About time somebody was doing something about the shit that was happening over there. We can use the aid to pressure the Sudanese to stop Darfur.

Not if our debt is skyrocketing downward.

Bush is doing something right.......I thought it was news about Bush resigning

I'm not sure, is this aid going to have any real long term benefits, that outweigh the losses in their economy.

ugh, humanitarian aid is a waste of taxpayers money. if the private sector wants to throw away money, fine, but all Bush is trying to do is make himself look better to us and probably those middle-eastern nations that just want him to go away.
he needs to take a hint and just leave other countries alone. whatever happened to good old isolationism?

ugh, humanitarian aid is a waste of taxpayers money. if the private sector wants to throw away money, fine, but all Bush is trying to do is make himself look better to us and probably those middle-eastern nations that just want him to go away.
he needs to take a hint and just leave other countries alone. whatever happened to good old isolationism?

You mean isolationism as in the kind that led to World War II and the Cold War and the current situation in the middle east?

All right, so, the leftists want our boys in green to come home, then ship them out to Darfur?

If the left agenda involves not messing around with other countries, why push to get us involved in Darfur?

Why not just cancel the debt? That would be more effective I would have thought. *shrug*

Ah, so he's not a total failure. Go Bush.


In other news, wewt 2007 and corrupting the youth!

skyrocketing downward.

Wha?

When the US gives out aid, I always look at the horse's teeth.

What type of aid is this? Is it tied so that African nations must spend it on US goods?

Is it humanitarian? economic? military?

Is it sustainable or is it mere emergency relief?

Does it come with conditions like forced privatisation of water?

Even PEPFAR, the knight in shining armour, seems more about protecting US economic interests than in true humanitarian relief.
Criticism was constant of PEPFAR on three main fronts: for setting its own agenda, rather than responding to country priorities; for putting ideological constraints on prevention dollars (particularly by earmarking funds for abstinence and by prohibiting funds that are used for harm reduction programs for injection drug users or that could be construed as empowering sex workers); and for its refusal to pay for generic medicines that have not received approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (none have), leaving its grantees able to purchase only patented drugs, often at many times the cost of generics.
http://www.africafocus.org/docs04/acc0407a.php

And I do not think Bush will use this to stop the Darfur genocide. In fact, since the Janjaweed are part of the anti-terrorism forces we are supporting, US tax dollars will probably buy some of the bullets being used to kill innocents. I love capitalism.

In the early 1990s, bin Laden lived in Sudan, the guest of the very regime responsible for the Darfur atrocities. At the time, bin Laden's main local interlocutor was an official named Salah Abdallah Gosh. After 9/11, however, Gosh became a more active counterterrorism partner: detaining terrorism suspects and turning them over to the United States; expelling Islamic extremists; and raiding suspected terrorists' homes and handing evidence to the FBI. Gosh's current job as head of security for the government also gives him a lead role in the regime's counterinsurgency strategy, which relies on the Janjaweed militias to destroy non-Arab villages in Darfur.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200612290814.html

Hurrah, that means that the Sudanese can afford more AK47s to fight its war against some other people in Sudan. Joy.

He's countering Chinese influence there. You may recall that after the Sino-African conference this year, China doubled aid.

I'm happy he did something nice. But, I've heard how his bunch won't fund programs that don't preach abstinence-only to fight AIDS, so I have to question whether any of this new aid is going to good/productive causes.

You mean isolationism as in the kind that led to World War II and the Cold War and the current situation in the middle east?

That's a new one. Isolationism didn't lead to World War Two. Quite the opposite. A complicated systems of alliances (the opposite of isolationism) led to World War One, and thus World War Two.

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About time somebody was doing something about the shit that was happening over there. We can use the aid to pressure the Sudanese to stop Darfur.

Can you spell 'PR'?

:rolleyes: This is just another PR motivated band-aid solution to a bigger problem. Increasing "aid" to African nations is useless when most of that aid money goes to fund the corrupt governments of the continent. Bush could tell me the sky is blue and I would still look up to make sure. One mark on the pro list cannot erase all of the marks on his con list.

Its so sad that people in America are so easily impressed by empty meaningless gestures. The best thing Bush can do for the entire world is to RESIGN and wall himself into his ranch. But again, wishful thinking...:gundge:

You mean isolationism as in the kind that led to World War II and the Cold War and the current situation in the middle east?

Well you're right on the first one, I'll concede the second one, but it was interference in the Middle East that led to the current situation. Like overthrowing their democraticly elected government to instal the Shah. Then when he was overthrown Reagen sold them weapons to fund his intervention efforts in Latin America.

There was Bush encouraging rebellion in Iraq, which precipitated the events for which he was recently executed.

There was our long running proxy war with the USSR which resulted in our more-or-less creating the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Isolation isn't the answer, that's true. But the problem is that when we do anything else it's almost always exploitation. The handful of presidents that do actual humanitarian work like JFK or Carter either become the victims of character assassins or actual assassins.

I'm not sure, is this aid going to have any real long term benefits, that outweigh the losses in their economy.

My opinion: Nope.

That's a new one. Isolationism didn't lead to World War Two. Quite the opposite. A complicated systems of alliances (the opposite of isolationism) led to World War One, and thus World War Two.

Our intervention in Germany's inter-war economy helped forestall WWII because our economic aid created enough prosperity that Nazi's had lost almost all influence in Germany. Once our own economy suffered enough that we were unwilling to aid Germany any further their economy collapsed and Nazism soared, resulting in WWII.

Yes, there was a complicated system of alliances involved in setting off WWI, but we had little to do with it because we really weren't a huge player in world events yet. We had one successful war with an empire so past its prime that it was to warfare what that quail thing Dick Cheney does is to hunting.

You mean isolationism as in the kind that led to World War II and the Cold War and the current situation in the middle east?

wait, what? the US hasnt been isolationist since before WWI. I have no idea what you are talking about. WWII was a giant territorial dispute started by Germany, which wanted its glory back after its ass was handed to it in WWI. Our involvement in the Cold War was just us telling people what their governments' economic policies should be. We havent used isolationism as a foreign policy in a century.

Oh and the Mid-eastern countries that all hate us? thats because we don't keep to ourselves.

3 bn dollars?
When the country needs money to make war all over the world?

Does he print the money?