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DIRE DAWA, Ethiopia — As soldiers of Ethiopia’s Christian government continued to rout Islamist militiamen in southern Somalia this week, 2nd Cpl. Wonderfraw Niguse celebrated his own victory on the parched scrublands of eastern Ethiopia hundreds of kilometers to the north.

With the sporadic barking of baboons or braying of donkeys in the distance, the 25-year-old squad leader led two successful ambushes against simulated enemy forces here as his fellow trainees charged through thickets of needle-sharp thorn bushes and down dried river beds.

The feat, which Wonderfraw and his fellow soldiers cheered with songs of victory and courage, was accomplished during a three-month basic infantry skills course offered by the U.S. military at the sprawling Ethiopian Training Academy in Hurso.

In Hurso, the so-called military-to-military training has taken on a new urgency in the days following Ethiopia’s incursion into Somalia.

Sources: YahooNEWS/OcceanNEWS©2005-2007
my2cents: interesting name "Wonderfraw".. isnt it? ;) post your comments

And why are we involved in this war?

That's great. It's about time someone spent some effort trying to help the poor people of Somalia get some order and structure back into their government institutions. This is good news, I hope for the very best from their efforts, may they succeed beyond their wildest dreams and may Somalia become the small paradise locality it once was again.

That's great. It's about time someone spent some effort trying to help the poor people of Somalia get some order and structure back into their government institutions. This is good news, I hope for the very best from their efforts, may they succeed beyond their wildest dreams and may Somalia become the small paradise locality it once was again.
With our nation's record for nation-building, we can't fail.:)

With our nation's record for nation-building, we can't fail.:)

It's not the US, it's Ethiopia. Half of the refugees that left Somalia over the last twenty five years are in Ethiopia...

And why are we involved in this war?
Because it's the US helping the Christians vesus the ebil Muslims.

What's happening here is completely transparent. The US fabricated the myth that Somalia was in the control of an organization called the "Islamic Courts Union," a supposedly terrorist organization, with the object of affording Ethiopia a pretext for invading its arch-rival, Somalia. In return, the Ethiopians are cooperating fully with the US and accepting domestic business intervention by the US with open arms. The people behind this war are really the American corporations which seek to make a profit, no matter what the cost.

What's happening here is completely transparent. The US fabricated the myth that Somalia was in the control of an organization called the "Islamic Courts Union," a supposedly terrorist organization, with the object of affording Ethiopia a pretext for invading its arch-rival, Somalia. In return, the Ethiopians are cooperating fully with the US and accepting domestic business intervention by the US with open arms. The people behind this war are really the American corporations which seek to make a profit, no matter what the cost.
I like you.
You’re probably completely wrong, but a few paranoid people can do a lot of good as long as they’re paranoid about the right things.

What's happening here is completely transparent. The US fabricated the myth that Somalia was in the control of an organization called the "Islamic Courts Union," a supposedly terrorist organization, with the object of affording Ethiopia a pretext for invading its arch-rival, Somalia. In return, the Ethiopians are cooperating fully with the US and accepting domestic business intervention by the US with open arms. The people behind this war are really the American corporations which seek to make a profit, no matter what the cost.
Oh, of course. Duh... it's soooo simple. :p

What's happening here is completely transparent. The US fabricated the myth that Somalia was in the control of an organization called the "Islamic Courts Union," a supposedly terrorist organization, with the object of affording Ethiopia a pretext for invading its arch-rival, Somalia.

OK kids, it's time to revise the Golden Rule of Conspiracy Theories, repeat after me:

"The probability of any given conspiracy theory being true is inversely proportionate to the level of competence that it demands of the government."

Is the government capable of lying about WMD without getting found out?
No.

Are they likely to be able to fake an entire war without getting found out?
No. 'Wag the Dog' doesn't count

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Oh, of course. Duh... it's soooo simple. :p

But where do the Illuminati fit in? :confused:

But where do the Illuminati fit in? :confused:

;) use your imagination...

What's happening here is completely transparent. The US fabricated the myth that Somalia was in the control of an organization called the "Islamic Courts Union," a supposedly terrorist organization, with the object of affording Ethiopia a pretext for invading its arch-rival, Somalia. In return, the Ethiopians are cooperating fully with the US and accepting domestic business intervention by the US with open arms. The people behind this war are really the American corporations which seek to make a profit, no matter what the cost.I dont agree with 2 details..

#1 I think the Islamic Courts Union exist.. they evicted the Warlords.. and restored law and order.

#2 US corporations?? Naaah..
Its more like someones in the US gov.. I think they want to get back at Somalia for killing the BlackChopper pilots.

... the Somali people is fucked.. sooner or later they are going to pay for the BlackHawkDown thingie.

During the Cold War, the US and Russia used most African countries to wage war on one another. Up to this day, the US influence in the region is still high.

They are doing the same way as they did in the past, but nowadays their main objective is to fight islam. As I´ve said in other posts, islam is spreading all over Africa, and the US (nor Europe) wants that.

... the Somali people is fucked.. sooner or later they are going to pay for the BlackHawkDown thingie.

The Somali people were fucked a long time ago, when their country descended into chaos at the hands of the warlords. US involvement in 1993 was an attempt to alleviate famine and neutralize the warlords, it was a good will effort to try to help the Somali people.

Unfortunately, the US was skittish and pulled out ahead of time.

"The probability of any given conspiracy theory being true is inversely proportionate to the level of competence that it demands of the government."

What level of competence would such an plot necessitate? There is precious little media coverage of a region as unstable as Somalia -- it would be easy to contrive fraudulent coverage of Islamists taking over the country, and a gullible public would be eager to swallow these falsities. There would be little independent corroboration of the status of Somalia and all the major news stations are in the pocket of the world power structure, which dictates what they can or cannot say. There is little room for the truth to seep out; all outlets are avariciously guarded by those in power, and few whose hands are untainted by the stench of corruption have ventured to Somalia. To effect such a plot would require very little effort -- nobody can refute the allegations, and all evidence to the contrary is hidden from the eyes of the public. No, it's actually quite simple.

And why are we involved in this war?

Because the US is constantly in a military pissing contest with the Soviets.

Because the US is constantly in a military pissing contest with the Soviets.
The Soviets? I thought it was 2006.

The Somali people were fucked a long time ago, when their country descended into chaos at the hands of the warlords. US involvement in 1993 was an attempt to alleviate famine and neutralize the warlords, it was a good will effort to try to help the Somali people.you are probably rigth.. it was a good will effort (I think).

most African peoples were fucked long before.. maybe it was the slave trade or something.

Because the US is constantly in a military pissing contest with the Soviets.

Either that or the US government is finally realizing that the breeding grounds of terrorists are found not in rogue states, but in non-states. Places where the state cannot provide even basic security (or even worse, does not exist at all) are where we get Al-Qaeda and Hiz'bo'allah from. If we can help make it so that these sanctuaries of chaos are slowly closed to these types, then we'll be able to have a real impact on decreasing the terrorist threat.

It's a much better alternative to running around in Iraq chasing ghosts, don't you think?

And why are we involved in this war?

Well, it just wouldn't be a real war if America wasn't involved some how

yes I agree.. it was a good will effort.

most Africa countries were fucked long before.. maybe it was the slave trade or something.

Infighting and chaos were the problem at the beginning. Africa never developed anything resembling the nation-state system of Europe. This weakened the continent and its peoples very severely. So much so that when the European Empires arrived on the scene they didn't even have to topple a state, they just sailed up the river, planted a flag and declared the locals to be French, British, Belgian, German or whoever's subjects.

The slave trade had little to do with it.

The Soviets? I thought it was 2006.

I know that and you know that but..

What level of competence would such an plot necessitate? There is precious little media coverage of a region as unstable as Somalia -- it would be easy to contrive fraudulent coverage of Islamists taking over the country, and a gullible public would be eager to swallow these falsities. There would be little independent corroboration of the status of Somalia and all the major news stations are in the pocket of the world power structure, which dictates what they can or cannot say. There is little room for the truth to seep out; all outlets are avariciously guarded by those in power, and few whose hands are untainted by the stench of corruption have ventured to Somalia. To effect such a plot would require very little effort -- nobody can refute the allegations, and all evidence to the contrary is hidden from the eyes of the public. No, it's actually quite simple.

Nice rhetoric, but there are:

1.) Plenty of people in a position to expose a hoax on this scale.

2.) Plenty of independant news organisations who would be willing to publish such a story.

Not to mention that any journalist who exposed something like this would have it made for life.

Either that or the US government is finally realizing that the breeding grounds of terrorists are found not in rogue states, but in non-states.

Terrorists are indoctrinated at the behest of sundry Western governments. To delude their populace into thinking that a radical policy of neo-imperialism is necessary for the security of the state, they need a tangible foe to conquer. With the fall of the Soviet Union, military planners were at a loss as to how to justify unwarranted invasions of sovereign nations, as they posed no threat to the US. However, they soon stumbled upon the genial idea of international terrorism; its true brilliance is that it is a perennial pretext. It can be constantly repeated without detracting from the fear which it has instilled; it is a war which can never be won; it is a carte blanche for war and obscene profiteering.

Terrorists are indoctrinated at the behest of sundry Western governments. To delude their populace into thinking that a radical policy of neo-imperialism is necessary for the security of the state, they need a tangible foe to conquer. With the fall of the Soviet Union, military planners were at a loss as to how to justify unwarranted invasions of sovereign nations, as they posed no threat to the US. However, they soon stumbled upon the genial idea of international terrorism; its true brilliance is that it is a perennial pretext. It can be constantly repeated without detracting from the fear which it has instilled; it is a war which can never be won; it is a carte blanche for war and obscene profiteering.

Extraordinairy claims require extraordinairy proofs. As such, bring forward the proofs.

1.) Plenty of people in a position to expose a hoax on this scale.

Indeed, that honor would go to the Somalis. However, they have no medium through which to communicate this information to the susceptible people of the West as all the mainstream news sources are operated by the cohesive international power structure; it would not tolerate such a threat to its well-being.

2.) Plenty of independant news organisations who would be willing to publish such a story.

The independent news organizations which exist are often scoffed at and others lack the funds to send reporters to such a faraway place as Somalia. Furthermore, if they were capable of getting their message across, it would be ridiculed by the mainstream news sources, which people consider to be more "reliable" despite the fact that they are propaganda mechanisms which serve to perpetrate the grand delusion that there is no organized global power structure, that everyone has a chance to succeed, that a revolution in ideology can happen and change the world for the better, etc.

Not to mention that any journalist who exposed something like this would have it made for life.

Sure, but he wouldn't have a long life if he was about to expose something like that, not to mention that nobody would trust him, opting instead to listen to mainstream news organizations.

Extraordinairy claims require extraordinairy proofs. As such, bring forward the proofs.

One can employ simple logic. Who stands to benefit from terrorist attacks? The biggest winner so far is the military-industrial complex of several Western nations and various related enterprises. Who has benefited from the actions of Hamas, for example? Palestine has certainly lost from this arrangement, as the sanctity of its lands has been violated by Israeli tanks. Conversely, the Israelis have gained because they have undertaken a policy of expansionism. The reasonable conclusion is that Hamas is controlled by Israel. By extension, this applies to several other "terrorist" organizations, including Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

Indeed, that honor would go to the Somalis. However, they have no medium through which to communicate this information to the susceptible people of the West as all the mainstream news sources are operated by the cohesive international power structure; it would not tolerate such a threat to its well-being.



The independent news organizations which exist are often scoffed at and others lack the funds to send reporters to such a faraway place as Somalia. Furthermore, if they were capable of getting their message across, it would be ridiculed by the mainstream news sources, which people consider to be more "reliable" despite the fact that they are propaganda mechanisms which serve to perpetrate the grand delusion that there is no organized global power structure, that everyone has a chance to succeed, that a revolution in ideology can happen and change the world for the better, etc.



Sure, but he wouldn't have a long life if he was about to expose something like that, not to mention that nobody would trust him, opting instead to listen to mainstream news organizations.
He's just so funny!

Indeed, that honor would go to the Somalis. However, they have no medium through which to communicate this information to the susceptible people of the West as all the mainstream news sources are operated by the cohesive international power structure; it would not tolerate such a threat to its well-being.



The independent news organizations which exist are often scoffed at and others lack the funds to send reporters to such a faraway place as Somalia. Furthermore, if they were capable of getting their message across, it would be ridiculed by the mainstream news sources, which people consider to be more "reliable" despite the fact that they are propaganda mechanisms which serve to perpetrate the grand delusion that there is no organized global power structure, that everyone has a chance to succeed, that a revolution in ideology can happen and change the world for the better, etc.



Sure, but he wouldn't have a long life if he was about to expose something like that, not to mention that nobody would trust him, opting instead to listen to mainstream news organizations.

Because mainstream news outlets never attack the government and nobody in Somalia is capable of communicating with the outside world. :rolleyes:

There are any number of 'mainstream' organisations who'd love to expose a US plot like this, for example:

BBC
Guardian
Le Monde
Le Figaro
The Observer
Basically any left wing paper/channel in the world.

He's just so funny!

I find this brand of lunacy tends to get dull very quickly.

One can employ simple logic. Who stands to benefit from terrorist attacks? The biggest winner so far is the military-industrial complex of several Western nations and various related enterprises. Who has benefited from the actions of Hamas, for example? Palestine has certainly lost from this arrangement, as the sanctity of its lands has been violated by Israeli tanks. Conversely, the Israelis have gained because they have undertaken a policy of expansionism. The reasonable conclusion is that Hamas is controlled by Israel. By extension, this applies to several other "terrorist" organizations, including Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

Evidence. Don't just play thought games, thought games are not evidence.

Give me papers, testimony of witnesses, press leaks. Something.

Because mainstream news outlets never attack the government and nobody in Somalia is capable of communicating with the outside world. :rolleyes:

Of course not. Obviously, a gossamer and superficial criticism of government policies is necessary to perpetuate the illusion of a "free press." They do "attack" the government, but only on an insignificant level; they do not strike at its heart. If they don't, then the people will begin to realize that something is wrong. The people are lulled by the impression that the media sometimes disagrees with the government. However, the press and the state are inextricably linked to not only each other but to the global power structure. Furthermore, while Somalis do have the capacity to communicate to the outside world, they cannot convey their message through the mass media for aforementioned reasons. How many Somalis do you personally know that have emigrated from Somalia since the alleged rise of the Islamic Courts Union? I'm willing to bet that the answer is "none."

Evidence. Don't just play thought games, thought games are not evidence.

Indeed, logic seems to be in desperately short supply these days. If my discourse was valid, that would necessarily imply that there would be no corroborating evidence. Indeed, the lack of supporting facts reinforces my point and confirms everything which I have stated. The very non-existence of organized dissent against the global power structure strongly hints to its existence. It's like the mythical Bermuda Triangle. All who go there inexplicably disappear. Obviously, there is no information about the Bermuda Triangle, since there is nobody to report on it. Does that prove that it doesn't exist? Certainly not! The absence of accounts of what happens in the Bermuda Triangle implies that such a region actually exists. The same reasoning can be applied in this case, too.

Indeed, logic seems to be in desperately short supply these days. If my discourse was valid, that would necessarily imply that there would be no corroborating evidence. Indeed, the lack of supporting facts reinforces my point and confirms everything which I have stated. The very non-existence of organized dissent against the global power structure strongly hints to its existence. It's like the mythical Bermuda Triangle. All who go there inexplicably disappear. Obviously, there is no information about the Bermuda Triangle, since there is nobody to report on it. Does that prove that it doesn't exist? Certainly not! The absence of accounts of what happens in the Bermuda Triangle implies that such a region actually exists. The same reasoning can be applied in this case, too.
Okay. No one can say that bit isn’t hilarious. Anyway, it’s obvious, at this point, that we’re dealing with a troll/puppet.

Okay. No one can say that bit isn’t hilarious. Anyway, it’s obvious, at this point, that we’re dealing with a troll/puppet.

Yep, although I feel they could do better.

Okay. No one can say that bit isn’t hilarious. Anyway, it’s obvious, at this point, that we’re dealing with a troll/puppet.

What's obvious is that you didn't grasp my Bermuda Triangle example. I will stipulate that I was too absolute in the terms which I employed, however. What I meant to say was that if what I am saying is true, then there would be no evidence to support it.

Indeed, logic seems to be in desperately short supply these days. If my discourse was valid, that would necessarily imply that there would be no corroborating evidence. Indeed, the lack of supporting facts reinforces my point and confirms everything which I have stated.

Either that, or a lack of evidence means you're wrong.

Which is the simpler explanation? That there's a grand, global conspiracy that is so effective that it's been able to hide all traces of its existence, leaving nothing behind to show that it existed.

Or.

That there's no such thing and the lack of evidence is a signal of such a fact.

Occam's Razor smiteth.

You know, this is the exact sort of thinking is what got the US into Iraq in the first place. Negative evidence is not evidence, and it should NEVER be taken as such.

What's obvious is that you didn't grasp my Bermuda Triangle example. I will stipulate that I was too absolute in the terms which I employed, however. What I meant to say was that if what I am saying is true, then there would be no evidence to support it.

I say that there are millions of dragons made out of custard hiding in the hollow centre of the earth.

Of course there's no evidence, that proves they're hiding!

Yep, although I feel they could do better.

I feel you could do better by applying a little reason and seeing through this disgusting and abhorrent charade. Also, it wouldn't hurt to refer to me as a single person instead of as a group of people.

I feel you could do better by applying a little reason and seeing through this disgusting and abhorrent charade. Also, it wouldn't hurt to refer to me as a single person instead of as a group of people.

Reason requires real evidence to function properly, not just innuendo.

I'm loathe to use this, but are you like, 14?

I feel you could do better by applying a little reason and seeing through this disgusting and abhorrent charade. Also, it wouldn't hurt to refer to me as a single person instead of as a group of people.

If you can't cope with reality at least try to get your head around grammar. 'They' in English is used both as a third person plural pronoun and as a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun. As I don't know your sex I can hardly refer to you as 'he' or 'she'.

Would you prefer to be referred to as 'it'?

IS, a response would be flippin' suhweet!

I say that there are millions of dragons made out of custard hiding in the hollow centre of the earth.

Of course there's no evidence, that proves they're hiding!

That is an inapt comparison. There is absolutely no reason to believe that there are indeed dragons hiding in the hollow center of the Earth. There is also plenty of evidence to the contrary, as the Earth radiates a significant quantity of heat, and the temperature would be too high to sustain life in the center of the Earth, unless the dragons were gaseous entities.

'They' in English is used both as a third person plural pronoun and as a gender-neutral third person singular pronoun.

Its latter usage is incorrect. It would be prudent of you to employ the term "he/she" when dealing with an entity of unspecified gender. They is invariably plural, despite the fact that it passes as a singular pronoun in colloquial usage.

Its latter usage is incorrect.

Your point?

Well, it just wouldn't be a real war if America wasn't involved some howwell.. looks like we are involved allrite.

What's obvious is that you didn't grasp my Bermuda Triangle example. I will stipulate that I was too absolute in the terms which I employed, however. What I meant to say was that if what I am saying is true, then there would be no evidence to support it.

Very elegant. This little device could be used to prove anything!

But really: your theory is interesting and I find myself wanting to believe it. Please make it easier, just a bit easier, by finding some kind of evidence. A blog, a discarded shell-case ... anything?

It's like the mythical Bermuda Triangle. All who go there inexplicably disappear. Obviously, there is no information about the Bermuda Triangle, since there is nobody to report on it. Does that prove that it doesn't exist? Certainly not! The absence of accounts of what happens in the Bermuda Triangle implies that such a region actually exists. The same reasoning can be applied in this case, too.

The funny thing is that the rate of disappearances in the Bermuda Triangle is one of the lowest for any given area of ocean. The entire thing is mere hype, due to a squadron of planes that went off course near the area and went down. It's quite possible that they were never even in it.

Well the fact remains that the US and Ethiopia have been supporting and funding the warlords in Somalia for years, and these groups brutally oppress and terrorize the Somalian people. They are in essence, terrorists of the worst order.

So when the Islamic Courts come and try to set up some kind of stable ordered society with a base in the capital, and to free their people from this anarchic chaos reigned down upon them from the US/Ethiopian backed warlords, they are condemned and militarily attacked.

Finally the warlords who have oppressed and murdered the Somali people are overthrown, and before everyone starts randomly making noises, the Islamic Courts are actually quite a moderate group who want order.

But yet the US are willing to see Somalia ruled by lawless despots because the alternate is an ordered and stable society that just happens to have Islam as it's religion? Why that's bad alright...

Yet all the US has to say are random dribbling about 'al-quida' lalalala '9/11' lalalala 'terrorists' lalalala.

Shame.

Well the fact remains that the US and Ethiopia have been supporting and funding the warlords in Somalia for years, and these groups brutally oppress and terrorize the Somalian people. They are in essence, terrorists of the worst order.

So when the Islamic Courts come and try to set up some kind of stable ordered society with a base in the capital, and to free their people from this anarchic chaos reigned down upon them from the US/Ethiopian backed warlords, they are condemned and militarily attacked.

Finally the warlords who have oppressed and murdered the Somali people are overthrown, and before everyone starts randomly making noises, the Islamic Courts are actually quite a moderate group who want order.

But yet the US are willing to see Somalia ruled by lawless despots because the alternate is an ordered and stable society that just happens to have Islam as it's religion? Why that's bad alright...

Yet all the US has to say are random dribbling about 'al-quida' lalalala '9/11' lalalala 'terrorists' lalalala.

Shame.

The U.S. is supporting the militias that do not want to establish a caliphate and conduct terroristic operations. If the U.S. didn't support these groups there would still be chaos and war. The only difference would be that our true enemies would be doing better. In my view Somalia is a lost cause. We might as well hang on to the last bit of hope we have and not permit a caliphate to be esstablished in that country. Do you really think the Islamic Courts are moderate? Who told you that? They're just as radical as the next fundamentalist. They aren't trying to bring peace and order for somalians. They are trying to create a base of power. Nothing more.

*Snip*. If you'll notice, until they started besieging the final city and talking about a 'greater Somalia,' no one cared, they got to greedy and that was their downfall.

The U.S. is supporting the militias that do not want to establish a caliphate and conduct terroristic operations. If the U.S. didn't support these groups there would still be chaos and war. The only difference would be that our true enemies would be doing better. In my view Somalia is a lost cause. We might as well hang on to the last bit of hope we have and not permit a caliphate to be esstablished in that country. Do you really think the Islamic Courts are moderate? Who told you that? They're just as radical as the next fundamentalist. They aren't trying to bring peace and order for somalians. They are trying to create a base of power. Nothing more.

The Islamists are not the ones who have reigned down terror and perpetual violence on Somalia for years now, the US backed warlords are.

The Islamists are not the ones who have reigned down terror and perpetual violence on Somalia for years now, the US backed warlords are.

No the Islamists actually have pretty much all been reigning terror on Somalia. Actually, everyone has. The way of life in Somalia is war. Aidid was given weapons and funding by Al-Qaeda. His clan used to be the biggest and most violent that there was.

Well a caliphate would certainly be preferable to the oppressive anarchism the US backed warlords are responsible for. And before people start shouting, do some research, the Islamic Courts in the capital are all quite moderate, they just got sick of having to deal with the perpetual death reigned down by the US warlords, and acted.

The U.S. is supporting the militias...you mean to say "supporting the Warlords.." ..rite?

Aidid was given weapons and funding by Al-Qaeda.
Which has precisely what to do with the Islamic Courts Union now?

OK kids, it's time to revise the Golden Rule of Conspiracy Theories, repeat after me:

"The probability of any given conspiracy theory being true is inversely proportionate to the level of competence that it demands of the government."

Is the government capable of lying about WMD without getting found out?
No.

Are they likely to be able to fake an entire war without getting found out?
No. 'Wag the Dog' doesn't count

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

It's not about faking a war. Somalia is a war-torn region. It's not really even a country in any practical sense, and it does house a lot of violent forces. They're not organized on the level of a government, but they would be a thread on the borders of most countries.

They're an enemy of Ethiopia, and Ethiopia would love to stomp them.

If America wanted to simply do what is right, they would have recognized the government of Somaliland years ago, but they've been waiting for something that will bring a reward.

This isn't because they're so far-sighted, but simply because American politicians don't do anything at all, probably including wiping their own asses, unless a lobbyist pays them to. Even if it's not because they're evil and opportunistic. It's certainly because they're too busy to pay attention.

And lobbyists are a farsighted bunch. If they see opportunities in Ethiopia that the government is bogarting, well then they're going to grease a few palms in Washington to give Ethiopia what it wants so that KBR, Bechtel, et al get what they want.

No conspiracy needed. Just people in Washington doing what comes naturally.

I dont agree with 2 details..

#1 I think the Islamic Courts Union exist.. they evicted the Warlords.. and restored law and order.

#2 US corporations?? Naaah..
Its more like someones in the US gov.. I think they want to get back at Somalia for killing the BlackChopper pilots.

... the Somali people is fucked.. sooner or later they are going to pay for the BlackHawkDown thingie.

Don't take him to seriously. He's the same person who said that the US transported Saddam to a secret island location shortly before he was executed, and replaced him with a look alike.

Don't take him to seriously. He's the same person who said that the US transported Saddam to a secret island location shortly before he was executed, and replaced him with a look alike.oh.. ok.

Thank you for the heads-up.

Fact remains, the US is supporting the continued bloody anarchy by the warlord, nay they are paying for it. And all because they can't get this damn 'global Islamic conspiracy to kill all Christians' theory out of their heads and realize the Islamic Courts have nothing to do with Al-quida and all that, their are plenty of Islamic countries the US deals with.

Please, anyone, bring forward evidence that the Islamic Courts in Somalia have terrorist objectives other than maintaining order and stability to a land ravaged by US paid war. Links please.

Because it's the US helping the Christians vesus the ebil Muslims.

Yeah, I mean, surely the Union of Islamic Courts are not in any way evil... wait.

Because it's the US helping the Christians vesus the ebil Muslims.

QFT

Because it's the US helping the Christians vesus the ebil Muslims.LOL

Sarcasm-o-licius

Yeah, I mean, surely the Union of Islamic Courts are not in any way evil... wait.well they are islamic.. So they gotta be evil.. right? [/uber Sarcasm]