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Apparently Saddam Hussein's execution had already made it onto the intertubes.

Personally, having viewed the alleged 'tape', it's no big thing. But it does raise the question of the lax security surrounding the whole event.

Given that it was supposed to be a private and secret event, is this further evidence that Iraq is in a state of anarchy?

With the Iraqi president dead, I believe Iraq is in effective anarchy.

EDIT: So far, I've only seen up to when they tighten the rope. CNN refused to show anymore and I'm too lazy to look. My dad says he'd love to see it. :(

Huh. Here I thought only FOX News would do something so tasteless...

How downright pleasant... More execution porn for "Patriots" to enjoy.

Fucking sick.

I refuse to view it and will condemn anyone who views it for any purpose other than academic curiosity. Anyone who intentionally views it for enjoyment or pleasure will recieve my utmost glare of anger, as I refuse to do anything close to harming them for their actions, since of course they are more than welcome to view it for enjoyment if they so wish. That's their right. I simply won't be pleased by it and will make my not-pleasedness known.

I enjoyed seeing the footage displaying his execution, not so much because a man was displayed on television being executed, but because a terrible person has finally been dealt his just reward.

He was a sick, demented man, and I believe the world is much improved by his passing.

~ Romandeos.

I refuse to view it and will condemn anyone who views it for any purpose other than academic curiosity. Anyone who intentionally views it for enjoyment or pleasure will recieve my utmost glare of anger

Mine, too.

but...academic curiousity? What, studying the most effective way to tie a slip knot?

Huh. Here I thought only FOX News would do something so tasteless...

I believe they showed more than any of the other news stations.

Although Saddam's execution was wrong (illegitimate court trials), we must not forget how he enjoyed filming his innocent victims. The mounting deaths in Iraq today has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein, it’s to do with the current Iraqi government which allows the lockdown of Sunni towns while they secretly allow their death squads (Shiite militias) to melt into their (Sunnis) towns. Blind American troops are in the way between these two feuding groups. It seems the Iraqis have forgotten about the presence of the American army, because all we hear is that the Iraqis at each others throat.

Mine, too.

but...academic curiousity? What, studying the most effective way to tie a slip knot?

I can see someone watching it either as an example of the psychology of an execution, or it being something that becomes central to the "history" of the first decade of the 21st century, and therefore becoming an academic thing.

Outside of that, there is no reason to watch it.

I can see someone watching it either as an example of the psychology of an execution, or it being something that becomes central to the "history" of the first decade of the 21st century, and therefore becoming an academic thing.

Outside of that, there is no reason to watch it.

I suppose.

Apparently Saddam Hussein's execution had already made it onto the intertubes.

Personally, having viewed the alleged 'tape', it's no big thing. But it does raise the question of the lax security surrounding the whole event.

Given that it was supposed to be a private and secret event, is this further evidence that Iraq is in a state of anarchy?

It wasnt really an issue of lax security, and if Iraq is drifting toward anarchy, it has nothing to do with this. No one snuck in or planted a mole. One video was part of a news service and had an invitation. The other was a cell phone video taken by one of the invited observers.

I suppose.

It can be sort of the same thing as watching the JFK assassination. Nobody gets pleasure out of that.

However, after watching the video, it disturbed me greatly. Even watching someone so terrible as Saddam getting hanged does not remove my disturbance.

Still a tad queazy.

I saw it, more out of morbid curiosity than anything else. I'd almost consider it a good experience, since it shows you how grisly and wrong capital punishment is. I know Saddam's crimes, I know how many people were killed at his behest, and yet seeing him die like that still made me squirm. Afterward, you're left with this cold, empty feeling. No sense that anything was justified or avenged.

Murder should never be answered with more murder.

I support the death penalty, but I find it incredibly disturbing how many folks get off watching someone else die. For me this began with Deep Kimchi when he said that "killing Muslims is better than sex." And it continues now with all the he-men fapping it to Saddam's death. These people have something seriously wrong with them, something that puts them in the same category as a sadistic psycho like Saddam himself. They should get pscyhiatric help, and they should stay away from children.

I support the death penalty, but I find it incredibly disturbing how many folks get off watching someone else die. For me this began with Deep Kimchi when he said that "killing Muslims is better than sex." And it continues now with all the he-men fapping it to Saddam's death. These people have something seriously wrong with them, something that puts them in the same category as a sadistic psycho like Saddam himself. They should get pscyhiatric help, and they should stay away from children.

The only thing that seperates them from him is circumstance, I would think.

I refuse to view it and will condemn anyone who views it for any purpose other than academic curiosity. Anyone who intentionally views it for enjoyment or pleasure will recieve my utmost glare of anger, as I refuse to do anything close to harming them for their actions, since of course they are more than welcome to view it for enjoyment if they so wish. That's their right. I simply won't be pleased by it and will make my not-pleasedness known.

I wanted to watch a great man die a martyr and also to show me that death is wrong, especially state-run, organized death. As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty is WORSE than first-degree murder. Not only is there intent to kill, but it is systematically planned out, organized, and regulated.

you sure it is real?

last time i checked theres alot of false information out there on the internet

I can see someone watching it either as an example of the psychology of an execution, or it being something that becomes central to the "history" of the first decade of the 21st century, and therefore becoming an academic thing.

Outside of that, there is no reason to watch it.

Yes, those reasons are what I meant by academic curiosity.

you sure it is real?

last time i checked theres alot of false information out there on the internet.

Tis real. The begginning of the video can be seen on any news network(Across the globe, really), and the last part is just an extension of the first.

I wanted to watch a great man die a martyr and also to show me that death is wrong, especially state-run, organized death. As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty is WORSE than first-degree murder. Not only is there intent to kill, but it is systematically planned out, organized, and regulated.

Do you also feel that imprisonment is wrong, and WORSE than kidnapping?

I can see someone watching it either as an example of the psychology of an execution, or it being something that becomes central to the "history" of the first decade of the 21st century, and therefore becoming an academic thing.

Outside of that, there is no reason to watch it.

Yes, those reasons are what I meant by academic curiosity.

How would one fake that? It's obviously the same scenery as in the official video. And it's clearly Saddam falling and then hanging in the noose. What disturbs me that they didn't wait for him to finish his small prayer (at least he uttered something).

Watched the one that looks to be of a cellphone vid quality, looks like they had a good hangman for it. As far as I can tell the neck was broken causing a quick death, a poor hangman wouldn't have got the drop right and he would have choked to death taking longer and jerking around which was partly why it used to be called called the hemp fandango. A proper hanging isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.

How downright pleasant... More execution porn for "Patriots" to enjoy.

Fucking sick.

Ya...Kinda like how murdering thousands of Kurds and your own citizens in cold blood is fucking sick. =/

With the Iraqi president dead, I believe Iraq is in effective anarchy.

EDIT: So far, I've only seen up to when they tighten the rope. CNN refused to show anymore and I'm too lazy to look. My dad says he'd love to see it. :(



Their president isn't dead.....Jalal Talabani is alive and well..Saddam was just some removed dictator.

But it does raise the question of the lax security surrounding the whole event.

They filmed it so they could disperse it. That's sort of the point with propaganda.

They filmed it so they could disperse it. That's sort of the point with propaganda.I suppose they wanted this to leak and somehow give the security that he really is dead.

Ya...Kinda like how murdering thousands of Kurds and your own citizens in cold blood is fucking sick. =/

And that makes this less disgusting how?

And that makes this less disgusting how?

Because the guy hanged was convicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity by the people he oppressed...

Because the guy hanged was convicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity by the people he oppressed...

And that makes this less disgusting how?

They filmed it so they could disperse it. That's sort of the point with propaganda.

I don't know. It's pretty poor propaganda considering it was supposed to be a secret.

They should have just televised it. Or simply said that it wasn't going to be secret.

And that makes this less disgusting how?


:rolleyes:

Forget it.

Or simply said that it wasn't going to be secret.

I was under the impression that they had done just that. And why they sent it to all news networks...

And that makes this less disgusting how?Less disgusting than what?

:rolleyes:

Forget it.

I wasn't talking about Saddam's death. I was talking about how people are practically masturbating to footage of it. (And for some posters who I will not name, remove "practically".) Read the post that got quoted at the beginning of this chain.

Less disgusting than what?

No "than". Someone claimed that Saddam killing a bunch of people somehow made people jacking off to the footage of his death less disgusting. I was trying to find the reasoning.

I wasn't talking about Saddam's death. I was talking about how people are practically masturbating to footage of it. (And for some posters who I will not name, remove "practically".) Read the post that got quoted at the beginning of this chain.


Some people like seeing a genocidal maniac die.

Some people like seeing a genocidal maniac die.

Then those people are death fetishists.

Their president isn't dead.....Jalal Talabani is alive and well..Saddam was just some removed dictator.

Saddam Hussein WAS the president and leader of Iraq until his death yesterday. Iraq is in effective anarchy.

If anyone wants the video, I found it in full ["Don't link to videos of death and mayhem, they are against our TOS. Warned."]here.

I did watch it and it's kind of freaky. One minute, he's yelling the next he's a lifeless lump. He was a martyr.

EDIT: It's a camera phone and the person is obviously freaked by their shaking.

I was under the impression that they had done just that. And why they sent it to all news networks...

Last I heard that was not the case. Maybe they changed their minds however.

No "than". Someone claimed that Saddam killing a bunch of people somehow made people jacking off to the footage of his death less disgusting. I was trying to find the reasoning.Saddam always knew that he would not die of old age. So why the fuss?

Saddam WAS NOT the president! Jeez! Jalal Talabani is the ELECTED president of Iraq since april 2005. You seriously need to get up to date on your propaganda.

Some people who were against the Iraq war followed Saddams line of thought that his overthrow was illegal, which meant he was still president. That Sel Appa calls Saddam a martyr probably indicates their view on it. I wanted him exiled to some crappy rock in the middle of nowhere along with any of his buds that survived where the only fertiliser they could find for their little farm was puffin excrement.

Last I heard that was not the case. Maybe they changed their minds however.

I read that they said they'd film it so they could show it. It'd be funny otherwise, to film something one intends not to show.

Some people who were against the Iraq war followed Saddams line of thought that his overthrow was illegal, which meant he was still president. That Sel Appa calls Saddam a martyr probably indicates their view on it. I wanted him exiled to some crappy rock in the middle of nowhere along with any of his buds that survived where the only fertiliser they could find for their little farm was puffin excrement.

That doesn't matter, the Iraqi people still elected a new leader and he is reconized by the international community. The baathist can claim all they want, saddam is not the leader and hasn't been since he got overthrown.

Saddam WAS NOT the president! Jeez! Jalal Talabani is the ELECTED president of Iraq since april 2005. You seriously need to get up to date on your propaganda.

Some people who were against the Iraq war followed Saddams line of thought that his overthrow was illegal, which meant he was still president. That Sel Appa calls Saddam a martyr probably indicates their view on it. I wanted him exiled to some crappy rock in the middle of nowhere along with any of his buds that survived where the only fertiliser they could find for their little farm was puffin excrement.

Indeed and would you believe I was born a Jew and hate Palestinians?

Indeed and would you believe I was born a Jew and hate Palestinians?


Doesn't make you right. He was overthrown and the Iraqi people elected a perm government over a year ago that is reconized by the UN. Sorry, he was not the leader but the leader of a small group of terrorists and extremists few liked. The majority got what they wanted.

And? My mind isn't that closed that I expect people who were born such and such and hate such and such will have standardised opinions.

I'd argue that while the overthrow may have been illegal the election was carried out in a fairly respectable manner and the new government should be recognised. Of course it's now up to the new government to prove it's worth to survive but thats a different matter.

That doesn't matter, the Iraqi people still elected a new leader and he is reconized by the international community. The baathist can claim all they want, saddam is not the leader and hasn't been since he got overthrown.International recognition is irrelevant. Only the Iraqi people's choice is what counts.

Indeed and would you believe I was born a Jew and hate Palestinians?As a Jew you are of course supposed to hate every non-Jew.

By definition a democratic election is the choice of the Iraqi people from what is available if they're unhappy with the selection then in the next election they can choose to vote for someone else.

International recognition is irrelevant. Only the Iraqi people's choice is what counts.

And the Iraqi's elected a new president. Saddam was not the president at the time of his death, just some removed and hated dictator.

It's all that international law bullshit. Saddam's defense was reasonable however under the US rubric of ex post facto. Good job he wasn't tried here.

Doesn't make you right. He was overthrown and the Iraqi people elected a perm government over a year ago that is reconized by the UN. Sorry, he was not the leader but the leader of a small group of terrorists and extremists few liked. The majority got what they wanted.

Did they?

International recognition is irrelevant. Only the Iraqi people's choice is what counts.

International recognition, or lack thereof, keeps Africa in poverty and the Middle East in hell.

This death will bring nothing but a disgusting thirst for revenge. Some revenge is fine, but state-run revenge is not.

I will never recognize the fake government that was put into power by Bush and Company. If anything, the Kurdish government is now the government of all Iraq. I'm still deciding whether to call that or not.

but...academic curiousity? What, studying the most effective way to tie a slip knot?

Nah, a slip knot is the kind you tie around your finger when operating a yo-yo, for example. The hangman's knot is just called a hangman's knot. :p

Uh.. anyway, I watched it (the crummy cell-phone version, not the official tape, if it's even out yet), because it's a significant historic event. That's basically it. It was an ordinary hanging, with the exception of Saddam's refusal to wear the hood.

I can actually tie a noose. (Boy scout, you learn some good shit).

The saddam one was a super uber duper noose.

I have to say he took it like a man. I feel vaguely disgusted about the whole thing. I may have to rethink my position on the death penalty.

Doesn't make you right. He was overthrown and the Iraqi people elected a perm government over a year ago that is reconized by the UN. Sorry, he was not the leader but the leader of a small group of terrorists and extremists few liked. The majority got what they wanted.

Small? I've lived in Iraq, I'd say the number of people who support Saddam is more like 40-50% of the population. Obviously you don't hear their side of the argument on fox news, it's always the Shia and the Kurds you see on the news.

I will never recognize the fake government that was put into power by Bush and Company. If anything, the Kurdish government is now the government of all Iraq. I'm still deciding whether to call that or not.

I missed the part where there was a Kurdish goverment put in by Bush and cronies. First off, the government there is not primarily Kurds, second, it was elected.

Does that mean I think all this was right? Not a chance. Does that mean that the government is doing a good job? Nope. Does that mean I like Bush? Fat chance in hell.

You're clearly on the internet, it's a great place to find information.

Because the guy hanged was convicted for war crimes and crimes against humanity by the people he oppressed...

Not by the people he oppressed. By American Government, who invaded his country, killed more people in a few years then he did in his entire life, and then ordered his execution without even finishing the trial.

I don’t claim that Saddam was innocent; he was a dictator, and he had to order peoples’ death in order to remain in power, but his regime was still much better then what is going on in Iraq now. However, I should note that Americans caused far more death then Saddam, effectively plunging Iraq into civil war and near anarchy for uncertain period of time, yet we see that Bush not only wasn’t trialed for his crimes against humanity, but remains in the office, and will likely lead a long and happy life. Just because he happened to have a larger army and more advanced weapons at his disposal. Is that Justice some people are talking about?

Not by the people he oppressed. By American Government, who invaded his country, killed more people in a few years then he did in his entire life, and then ordered his execution without even finishing the trial.

I don’t claim that Saddam was innocent; he was a dictator, and he had to order peoples’ death in order to remain in power, but his regime was still much better then what is going on in Iraq now. However, I should note that Americans caused far more death then Saddam, effectively plunging Iraq into civil war and near anarchy for uncertain period of time, yet we see that Bush not only wasn’t trialed for his crimes against humanity, but remains in the office, and will likely lead a long and happy life. Just because he happened to have a larger army and more advanced weapons at his disposal. Is that Justice some people are talking about?



:rolleyes:

Who's puppet are you? Do you even know what Saddam did and how many people he killed? I suspect not.

Small? I've lived in Iraq, I'd say the number of people who support Saddam is more like 40-50% of the population. Obviously you don't hear their side of the argument on fox news, it's always the Shia and the Kurds you see on the news.


40 to 50% huh? Source other than you?





Did they?



:rolleyes:


So I guess the millions who voted and picked the leaders didn't get what they wanted...Yeah sure sure. Face it, the government is legit, Saddam was a asshole that killed north of 200k people and there is NOTHING that will change that.

:rolleyes:

Who's puppet are you? Do you even know what Saddam did and how many people he killed? I suspect not.

Yes, I know what Saddam did, but while many of his actions were horrible, I still view them as lesser evil comparing to what is going on in Iraq now.

You, on the other hand, seem to be completely obvious of "magnitude" of what USA and their allies have "accomplished" in Iraq. But then again, with all the propaganda, the only way for a common man like you to learn what your government is really up to is to do some personal research... Which you apparently never bothered to do. Indeed, why bother (and risk learning things you'd rather not know) when media constantly tells you how great your country is?

Yes, I know what Saddam did, but while many of his actions were horrible, I still view them as lesser evil comparing to what is going on in Iraq now.

You, on the other hand, seem to be completely obvious of "magnitude" of what USA and their allies have "accomplished" in Iraq. But then again, with all the propaganda, the only way for a common man like you to learn what your government is really up to is to do some personal research... Which you apparently never bothered to do. Indeed, why bother (and risk learning things you'd rather not know) when media constantly tells you how great your country is?

:rolleyes:


Your funny...But not in a good way. But why bother doing research on how he flattend a city killing 100k people or gassed another killing another 5k..or Iran war he started that killed 1 million...Nah...why bother just troll and attack people denying the truth about your beloved dictator.:rolleyes:

Sick...

Saddam Hussein will forever live in our hearts...Only as a blood clot or a metastatis.

Only as a blood clot or a metastatis.

You are giving Saddam too much credit.:D

almost everything ends up on the interwebtubenet these days. don't be surprised about this.

almost everything ends up on the interwebtubenet these days. don't be surprised about this.

Even I'm on the blasted contraption.

I refuse to view it and will condemn anyone who views it for any purpose other than academic curiosity. Anyone who intentionally views it for enjoyment or pleasure will recieve my utmost glare of anger, as I refuse to do anything close to harming them for their actions, since of course they are more than welcome to view it for enjoyment if they so wish. That's their right. I simply won't be pleased by it and will make my not-pleasedness known.

I guess that means setting it to "Only the Good Die Young" by Billy Joel would qualify as tasteless. :p

Apparently Saddam Hussein's execution had already made it onto the intertubes.

Personally, having viewed the alleged 'tape', it's no big thing. But it does raise the question of the lax security surrounding the whole event.

Given that it was supposed to be a private and secret event, is this further evidence that Iraq is in a state of anarchy?

No. It just means that anyone can get a cellphone camera into any place, unless you're going to search the guards.

Do NOT link to videos of death and mayhem. They violate the TOS.

I guess that means setting it to "Only the Good Die Young" by Billy Joel would qualify as tasteless. :p

...yes, Lunatic. Yes it would be. :p

I was thinking Highway to Hell myself.