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Have you ever made a pilgramage to Mecca? If not, do you plan to do so, and if so, when?

Seriously, those Muslims thought ahead...what comparable innovation can you find in Christianity? You are required as a Muslim to make at least one trip to Mecca in your lifetime...can you imagine if something similar was required of Christians and housed (for some insane reason) in Washington? Cash in and then some...of course I bet it'd look like a cheap version of Vegas...

I haven't but InshAllah I will soon. Either next year or the year after.

I haven't but InshAllah I will soon. Either next year or the year after.

InshAllah? :confused:

InshAllah? :confused:

"God willing", or "If God wills"

InshAllah? :confused:

God willing.

I haven't but InshAllah I will soon. Either next year or the year after.

What happens if you die before then?

"God willing", or "If God wills"

Hey, so, are you going to learn Arabic to read the Koran properly? Or just choose a few words and phrases to pepper throughout your speech?

Danke. :)

*gives Soviestan and Soheran each a cookie*

Where's Keru these days?

What happens if you die before then?

Paradise, hopefully. why? Going to Mecca isn't a must before you can earn favour with Allah, so if you die beforehand it won't be held against you. But all Muslims who are able should go at least once in their lifetime.

I think it would be funny if Soviestan learned arabic and started a thread like the "nethelandse topic" or whatever it's called.

Where's Keru these days?

Mecca, obviously.

Mecca, obviously.

He's not Muslim again, is he? He dropped that AGES ago as I recall.

Hey, so, are you going to learn Arabic to read the Koran properly? Or just choose a few words and phrases to pepper throughout your speech?

It is important for me to learn Arabic. All Muslims should because its better to say your prayers in Arabic and to read the Qur'an in Arabic.

Seriously, those Muslims thought ahead...what comparable innovation can you find in Christianity? You are required as a Muslim to make at least one trip to Mecca in your lifetime...can you imagine if something similar was required of Christians and housed (for some insane reason) in Washington? Cash in and then some...of course I bet it'd look like a cheap version of Vegas...

I thought you were required as an able-bodied Muslim to make at least one trip to Mecca in your lifetime? :confused:

I think it would be funny if Soviestan learned arabic and started a thread like the "nethelandse topic" or whatever it's called.

And talked to himself all day?

It is important for me to learn Arabic. All Muslims should because its better to say your prayers in Arabic and to read the Qur'an in Arabic.

See? Why aren't the Christians required to learn whatever the hell language the Bible was originally written in? Think of the huge industry in language classes that would arise...my gods, the possibilities...

I will go, as soon as airport security stops frisking me.

And talked to himself all day?

I think Icovir speaks arabic, but I haven't seen him for weeks.

He's not Muslim again, is he? He dropped that AGES ago as I recall.

what happen to him, I haven't seen him in awhile.

I thought you were required as an able-bodied Muslim to make at least one trip to Mecca in your lifetime? :confused:

From what I've been told, it's 'anyone who possibly can, should', but it's less pressing for women to do so than for men, and it's not a commandment, it's more of a desire you are expected to have anyway. The rich aren't thought better of because they can make it once a year, and those among the poor might never see it...

He's not Muslim again, is he? He dropped that AGES ago as I recall.

No, he's atheist or possibly follows Buddha. It's just this thread reminded me of him, and I ain't seen him round in.... well, ages.

what happen to him, I haven't seen him in awhile.

Perhaps he's in Fass' pants...one should ask :D

Soviestan, you're a nice guy even though I disagree with you about some things.


I just wanted to say I'll miss you when men in suits push you into a black van full of muslims and cart you off to a black spot.

See? Why aren't the Christians required to learn whatever the hell language the Bible was originally written in? Think of the huge industry in language classes that would arise...my gods, the possibilities...

Well, there was that whole infatuation with Latin...

Basicly, according to belief if a Muslim doesn't visit Mecca they go to hell?

This is another reasons why people better hope that Israel isn't forced to go nuclear. I wouldn't be suprised if Mecca and Medina were on their target list.

That would singlehandly destroy the entire religion.

I'd like to see it, but aren't non-muslims banned?

Basicly, according to belief if a Muslim doesn't visit Mecca they go to hell?

This is another reasons why people better hope that Israel isn't forced to go nuclear. I wouldn't be suprised if Mecca and Medina were on their target list.

That would singlehandly destroy the entire religion.

No that's not it. If your able to go you should. Meaning if it is financially/physically/whateverally possible for you to go you should. Of course if your handicapped, too poor, or caring for a sick one, etc nothing will be held against you. This isn't one of those do it or your going to hell deals :p

"God willing", or "If God wills"

It's sad that you put your fate in the hands of some deity.

In the future Inshallah

Never. Mashallah. :)

It's sad that you put your fate in the hands of some deity.

Something else I can agree with from you. A rare sight.

Also: I'd like to visit Mecca, if only for the culture.

I'd like to see it, but aren't non-muslims banned?

Non-Muslims should not go to Mecca.

Non-Muslims should not go to Mecca.

Bullshit.

I'm sure it's a lovely city, and so long as you bring your tourist dollars/euros/pounds/yen they'll be hapy to receive.

After visiting the Alhambra, I have made it a point to try and visit any more sites of international repute. Mecca is one of them.

Bullshit.

I'm sure it's a lovely city, and so long as you bring your tourist dollars/euros/pounds/yen they'll be hapy to receive.


Actually, if you are caught by the relgious police there, you can be hung by their laws.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/saudi/apartheidhighwaymecca.gif

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/saudi/apartheidhighwaymecca2.gif

Actually, if you are caught by the relgious police there, you can be hung by their laws.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/saudi/apartheidhighwaymecca.gif

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/saudi/apartheidhighwaymecca2.gif

Like I said; Mecca is for Muslims only.

I was waiting for an opportunity to post this (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article304029.ece).

It doesn't really merit its own thread. But it is tangentially related to the subject at hand.

Well she-at.

Hmmm, that is an obstacle.

Like I said; Mecca is for Muslims only.

Non-muslims (in one case, the vile polytheistic hindoos too) have been allowed to enter Mecca for renovation/construction work at the discretion of Saudia regime.

This Mecca for muslims only is not an islamic injunction set by Mohammed. It was a later thing. In Muhammed's time many non-muslims used to live in Mecca.

I was waiting for an opportunity to post this (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article304029.ece).

It doesn't really merit its own thread. But it is tangentially related to the subject at hand.

lol. You don't understand. It is ok for Saudis to do that. But God forbid if somebody were to draw a cartoon...

Where's Keru these days?
Buddhist.

See? Why aren't the Christians required to learn whatever the hell language the Bible was originally written in? Think of the huge industry in language classes that would arise...my gods, the possibilities...
Latin used to be favoured by the Catholic Church, though most have dropped that, fortunately.

It is important for me to learn Arabic. All Muslims should because its better to say your prayers in Arabic and to read the Qur'an in Arabic.
Why elevate Arabic to holy status?

Perhaps he's in Fass' pants...one should ask :D
rofl!

Actually, if you are caught by the relgious police there, you can be hung by their laws.

http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/saudi/apartheidhighwaymecca.gif

They should have an infidel hanging by a noose from those overhead signs. Just to prove they're serious!

I haven't but InshAllah I will soon. Either next year or the year after.

Why say it in arabic why not in english since the rest of your sentence was english.

See? Why aren't the Christians required to learn whatever the hell language the Bible was originally written in? Think of the huge industry in language classes that would arise...my gods, the possibilities...

I don't know what the very first Bibles were written in, but at some time I think the Old Testament was written in Aramaic. And then the New Testaments were written in Greek.

Later, translations to Latin and then other languages have since caused many disputes to come about over interpretation.

I don't know what the very first Bibles were written in, but at some time I think the Old Testament was written in Aramaic. And then the New Testaments were written in Greek.
Close, OT was written in Hebrew, the NT was written in Aramaic, Greek, and Amharic.

Later, translations to Latin and then other languages have since caused many disputes to come about over interpretation.

That, and the council of Nycea[sp?]

They should have an infidel hanging by a noose from those overhead signs. Just to prove they're serious!

They probably should, cos now that I know I'm not allowed, I really want to go to Mecca.

They probably should, cos now that I know I'm not allowed, I really want to go to Mecca.

You could always go here instead.;)

http://terraces.bahai.org/

They probably should, cos now that I know I'm not allowed, I really want to go to Mecca.

Same here. I'll grow a beard and nobody'll notice me.

I just wanted to say I'll miss you when men in suits push you into a black van full of muslims and cart you off to a black spot.

I was under the impression that Sovietstan isn't Arabic, so it shouldn't be a problem

Why elevate Arabic to holy status?



Its not so much that it has holy status. The thing is that when you translate out of a language it loses its meaning. So when you translate the Qur'an or prayers out of Arabic they lose a little of the meaning they had being in their original language(Arabic).

Why say it in arabic why not in english since the rest of your sentence was english.

Out of respect of Allah, Muslims should use Allah in place of "God". Statements refering to Allah such as inshAllah should be in Arabic.

Statements refering to Allah such as inshAllah should be in Arabic.

Because as we all know, the outward manifestations like language used is more important than the actual inner spiritual thoughts and humbleness that is behind the saying "God willing".