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Well why?

Is it a secret message?

Also, does anyone else find it slightly risable when they play hail to the chief for a moving coffin?

Because people are idiots.

Perhaps it was God Bless America?

the US has its own song with the same tune called "america"

my country 'tis of thee
sweet land of liberty
of thee i sing
land where my fathers died
land of the pilgrims pride
from every mountainside
let freedom ring

the US has its own song with the same tune called "america"

my country 'tis of thee
sweet land of liberty
of thee i sing
land where my fathers died
land of the pilgrims pride
from every mountainside
let freedom ring


That's Edward Elgar's pomp and circumstance whatsit. Nothing to do with god save the queen.

Ford was really into the Sex Pistols, obviously.

perhaps simply because it is a miserable dirge, fit only for funerals.

the US has its own song with the same tune called "america"

my country 'tis of thee
sweet land of liberty
of thee i sing
land where my fathers died
land of the pilgrims pride
from every mountainside
let freedom ring

That's it! I knew it had been usurped by the former colonies ;)

What they're saying is Gerald Ford was a transexual. DUUUHH.

And for the record, before people start suggesting what it might have been, I had to sing God Save the Queen like a billion times at school. I know what it fuking sounds like.

That's Edward Elgar's pomp and circumstance whatsit. Nothing to do with god save the queen.

whatever it is, it uses the same tune.

small proof:

http://www.songtrellis.com/sounds/viewer$2554

And for the record, before people start suggesting what it might have been, I had to sing God Save the Queen like a billion times at school. I know what it fuking sounds like.

The tune thereof, as I have said, was usurped by the former colonies and rewritten with non-monarchal lyrics, therefore making it appropriate for a President's funeral, while at the same time still being the tune to "God Save the Kinks."

I would have played Tom Petty's 'Free Falling.':p

whatever it is, it uses the same tune.

Well good job on the revolution then.

Well good job on the revolution then.

That's cold.

The tune thereof, as I have said, was usurped by the former colonies and rewritten with non-monarchal lyrics, therefore making it appropriate for a President's funeral, while at the same time still being the tune to "God Save the Kinks."

And this is the problem with america. *shakes fist at dad*

Absolutley not a creative bone in their bodies.

the US has its own song with the same tune called "america"

my country 'tis of thee
sweet land of liberty
of thee i sing
land where my fathers died
land of the pilgrims pride
from every mountainside
let freedom ringThat's Edward Elgar's pomp and circumstance whatsit. Nothing to do with god save the queen.

Err... Nope. The song, variously known as "America", "My Country Tis of Thee", or "Let Freedom Ring", is based on "God Save the Queen". "Pomp and Circumstance" is used as a graduation march at high school (secondary school) and college/university graduations.

My Country, 'Tis of Thee
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"My Country, 'Tis of Thee," also known as "America," is an American patriotic song. The melody, based on the British national anthem, "God Save the Queen," has been used by many other countries.

The lyrics to "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" were written in 1831 by Reverend Samuel Francis Smith of Boston's Park Street Church while at the Andover Theological Seminary in Andover, Massachusetts. The song served as a de facto national anthem for much of the 19th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Country,_'Tis_of_Thee

You might well ask why so many othe countries use it as well.

Use elsewhere

"God Save the King" was the very first song to be used as a national anthem, although the Netherlands' national anthem, the Wilhelmus, is older. Its success prompted a number of imitations, notably in France and, later, Germany. Both commissioned their own songs to help construct a concrete national(ist) identity. The first German national anthem was a copy of "God Save the King" with the words changed to Heil dir im Siegerkranz and sung to the same tune as the British version. The tune was either used or officially adopted as the national anthem for several other countries, including those of Russia (until 1833), Sweden, and Switzerland.

It is also the melody to the United States patriotic hymn "Let Freedom Ring" (better known by its first line, "My Country, 'Tis of Thee"), and was played during the Presidential Inauguration parade of President George W. Bush on 20 January, 2001. In Iceland it is called Eldgamla Ísafold. The tune is also used as Norway's Royal anthem entitled Kongesangen. The rock band Queen plays "God Save the Queen" at the end of all of their concerts.

The tune is still used as the national anthem of Liechtenstein, Oben am jungen Rhein. When England met Liechtenstein in a Euro 2004 qualifier, the same tune had to be played twice.

The melody of "God Save the King" has been and continues to be used as a hymn tune by Christian churches in various countries. The United Methodists of the southern United States, Mexico, and Latin America, among other denominations (usually Protestant), play the same melody as a hymn. The Christian hymn "Glory to God on High" is frequently sung to the same tune, as well as an alternate tune that fits both lyrics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen#Use_elsewhere

Object to the wikis if you like, that just means we'll have to waste time digging up other source materials that say the same thing.

Actually, on second thought, as you seem to be in an objectional mood (;)):
http://memory.loc.gov/cocoon/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.200000012/default.html

And for the record, before people start suggesting what it might have been, I had to sing God Save the Queen like a billion times at school. I know what it fuking sounds like.

You were already informed what was played.

And this is the problem with america. *shakes fist at dad*

Absolutley not a creative bone in their bodies.

:rolleyes: Right. And where did you steal the song from?

:rolleyes: Right. And where did you steal the song from?

Yes. Alright. I realized that I made a mistake about Elgar and the Queen's song pretty much after I typed it. But I'm not going to admit it in this thread.

Oh, F**K......

Anyway, whenever I hear that tune I have bad flashbacks to the silver jubilee when Andrew Hodgkis stole my lemon curd tart. Just stop playing it.

Yes. Alright. I realized that I made a mistake about Elgar and the Queen's song pretty much after I typed it. But I'm not going to admit it in this thread.

Oh, F**K......

Anyway, whenever I hear that tune I have bad flashbacks to the silver jubilee when Andrew Hodgkis stole my lemon curd tart. Just stop playing it.

No worries, mate. ;)

The tune was either used or officially adopted as the national anthem for several other countries, including those of Russia (until 1833), Sweden, and Switzerland.

"Bevare Gud vår kung" was never used as a national anthem, so wiki is wrong once more...

Wiki doesn't mention it, but the tune predates even "God Save the King/Queen". It's a traditional instrumental piece that probably predates the United Kingdom.

They called the English national anthem at Ford's funeral, or some american song with the same tune? Must have been nice to hear that tune played in tune for once. The only other times I hear it are at the beginning of a football match when England is playing. 20,000-80,000 people singing or humming some tune they only vaguely know, and with no concept of how out of tune they, but ironically managing to sing in some sort of harmony. In other words - a cacophony. How I hate that song.

"Bevare Gud vår kung" was never used as a national anthem, so wiki is wrong once more...

"The tune was either used or officially adopted as the national anthem for several other countries, including those of Russia (until 1833), Sweden, and Switzerland."

It doesn't say it was used as the national anthem in Sweden. It says it was either used or officially adopted as, not used as or officially adopted as. So it was simply used in some nations while it was officially adopted in others.

Yes. Alright. I realized that I made a mistake about Elgar and the Queen's song pretty much after I typed it. But I'm not going to admit it in this thread.

Oh, F**K......

Anyway, whenever I hear that tune I have bad flashbacks to the silver jubilee when Andrew Hodgkis stole my lemon curd tart. Just stop playing it.



Give us the dirty little rats address and the NSG hitmen will take care of him. :p

Well good job on the revolution then.

Why write new tunes when you can pilfer everyone else's tunes at half the cost?

its never been offically adopted in the UK as its National Anthem either it remains to this day the Royal Anthem

Well why?

Is it a secret message?

Also, does anyone else find it slightly risable when they play hail to the chief for a moving coffin?

The tune to God Save the Queen is used for patriotic tunes in countries all over the world. It's only God Save the Queen if it's performed in England, or with lyrics. Like the Sex Pistols song (with a totally different tune.)

Why write new tunes when you can pilfer everyone else's tunes at half the cost?

It wasn't pilfered. The guy who wrote it hawked it all over the world. It was the VHS of anthemic parade tunes.

That's Edward Elgar's pomp and circumstance whatsit. Nothing to do with god save the queen.

You're so wrong, it's embarrassing.

"My Country, 'tis of Thee" is indeed to the tune of "God Save the Queen". It was one of the ways the young US thumbed its nose at England. The colonies, having had to hear that tune to the original words quite often while they were under the imperial boot probably thought it made a nice bit of satire, or at least a "so there".

"Pomp and Circumstance" is played at graduations and never mentions "America". The lyrics (and there are lyrics, they're very rarely sung) are, in fact, quite religious in nature, which always make me giggle when administrators of public schools choose it over beautiful instrumental pieces like Franz Biebl's Ave Maria because of Ave Maria's religious nature -- despite the fact that that nature is solely in its words, which, as I said earlier, AREN'T BEING SUNG (as the Everett School District here in WA did last June).

Ford was really into the Sex Pistols, obviously.

Good one.

"Bevare Gud vår kung" was never used as a national anthem, so wiki is wrong once more...

Argue all you wanty with the wiki. Like I said above it just wastes everybodies time while we dig up sources that support the wiki like this and the other below.

Sweden (royal anthem)
"Kungssången" (Royal Song)

Words by: Carl Wilhelm August Strandberg
Music by: Otto Lindblad
In use since: c. 1870

Like Denmark, Norway, and Thailand, Sweden also has a royal anthem. The song was first sung at a party held by the University of Lund in 1844 to celebrate the accession of the new king, Oscar I. The anthem was used as a national and royal anthem until 1893, when it became solely the royal anthem.

The anthem replaces the former anthem "Bevare Gud vår kung", which, interestingly, was sung to the tune of not only the British royal and national anthem, but also the current tune of the royal anthem of its neighbour, Norway. During the reign of Gustav III (1771-1792) "Gustafs skål" by Carl Micael Bellman was a favourite of the king, and was informally his royal anthem.

Special thanks to: Dieter Baalss for informing me about this anthem, Reinhard Popp for the sheet music, and Lars C Stolt for some of this information.
http://david.national-anthems.net/se%5E.htm

Wiki doesn't mention it, but the tune predates even "God Save the King/Queen". It's a traditional instrumental piece that probably predates the United Kingdom.

Earliest date I could dig up is a Scotish hymn from ca 1611. (see below.)

Why write new tunes when you can pilfer everyone else's tunes at half the cost?

r at no cost at all.

It wasn't pilfered. The guy who wrote it hawked it all over the world. It was the VHS of anthemic parade tunes.

Which person? It's variously atributed.

History of "God Save The Queen"

Though usually attributed to Arne, there is good ground for believing it is really the work of Henry Carey, a singer and composer. It is said to have been written sometime between 1736 and 1740, but was first heard in public at a dinner in 1740 to celebrate the taking of Portobello by Admiral Vernon. Carey sang it as his own composition. The oldest copy is in "Harmonia Anglicana" of 1743 to which Carey was one of the chief contributors.

Several similar earlier airs exist in a manuscript of 1619 attributed to Dr. John Bull, an organist in the Chapel Royal during the reign of James I. In the same book is a song called "God Save the King", but the music is different.

The Scots claim it is based on an old carol of 1611 called "Remember O thou man" or "Franklyn is fled away" of 1669. It has also been traced to Purcell in 1696.

As a phrase from the Coverdale Bible of 1535, "God Save the King" was used as a naval watchword to which the countersign was "Long to reign over us".

For a long time the song was used as an expression of personal loyalty to the king and in translation it was used in Prussia, Denmark, and in Russia until 1833 when Czar Nicholas commissioned a new version. The tune has also been used in Sweden, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and the United States.
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/godsave_e.cfm

I suppose they did because they could. Or someone played one heck of a practical joke.

What have you people got against the Queen?

Same reason they play the 1812 Overture at American Independence Day.

Well why?

Is it a secret message?

Also, does anyone else find it slightly risable when they play hail to the chief for a moving coffin?

Be fair: Lichtenstein.

"Oben am jungen Rhein//
lehnet sich Lichtenstein..."

It doesn't say it was used as the national anthem in Sweden. It says it was either used or officially adopted as, not used as or officially adopted as. So it was simply used in some nations while it was officially adopted in others.

Sweden has never officially adopted a national anthem.

Argue all you wanty with the wiki. Like I said above it just wastes everybodies time while we dig up sources that support the wiki like this and the other below.

http://david.national-anthems.net/se%5E.htm

This contradicts me how? "Bevare Gud vår kung" was used as a royal anthem, but not as a national anthem. "Kungssången" can be said to have been used as a national anthem apart from being used as a royal anthem, but "Kungssången" is not "Bevare Gud vår kung".

Sweden has never officially adopted a national anthem.


The article doesn't say it was used as the national anthem of Sweden. It says some nations used it as a national anthem and some nations just used it.

"The tune was either used or officially adopted as the national anthem for several other countries, including those of Russia (until 1833), Sweden, and Switzerland."

Same reason they play the 1812 Overture at American Independence Day.

Cause we're huge fans of V for Vendetta?

The article doesn't say it was used as the national anthem of Sweden. It says some nations used it as a national anthem and some nations just used it.

"The tune was either used or officially adopted as the national anthem for several other countries, including those of Russia (until 1833), Sweden, and Switzerland."

What the article says is that some countries used it as a national anthem without officially adopting it as one (Sweden does so with "Du gamla, du fria" - there is no official recognition of it as the national anthem, but it is used as one), and that others did officially adopt it as one.

It is wrong, however, in claiming that Sweden used "Bevare Gud vår kung" as a national anthem - it used it as a royal anthem, and that is not the same thing.

Well why?

Is it a secret message?

Also, does anyone else find it slightly risable when they play hail to the chief for a moving coffin?

haha, "my country tis of thee" is a rip-off of god save the queen. same melody. I'd imagine that's the one they were playing, it's a fairly standard american patriotic hymn. "patriotic hymn" rather furthers my impression that all patriotism/nationalism is at the least mildly blasphemous, but whatever.