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In the distant future, space colonies are used to mine for ores in space. Natural resources are scarce on earth, so some nations have talen steps to raid your freighters delivering resources to a space platform that will send them to earth. How would you defend your ships and colonies. Oh yea, don't forget that there are also pirates who are paid a lofty price for goods by blackmarket dealiers.


The enemy force:
3 fleets of space cruisers, destroyers, frigets, and small gun boats.
various fighter craft that can take off from the capital ships that can attack your ships.
Mecha. A close-range type equiped with small vulcan guns and a sword.
An all purpose mecha that can be used in cclose and medium ranges. And of course the long range mecha equiped with a sniper rifle.
And a secret prototype which can render itself invisible on infared radar waves equiped with a high energy rail gun and a high powered rifle.it is nuclear powered also


What would you do to defend your land???????????????????
have fun thinking up ways

Magic them out of existence.

Failing that, EMP weapons.

they face the full force of IISA

i'd build a fleet and have it patrol our borders. Also i would have mecha to be the main fighting force in the fleets. I would also set up a defensive area around the mining regions.

Pay them huge sums of money to work for me, use them to plunder the resources of rival businesses, build an invincible military machine, conquer the system, declare the First Human Hegemony, kill dissenters, invent FTL, annex surrounding systems, die, let the empire shatter, Alexander style, be brought back by a plot-device in the crappy sequel catering to fanboys, get killed in a pretentious way by the hero.

The sci-fi badguy with a thousand faces.

Wave motion cannon.

Invest in a Vorlon planet killer. Yeah, I'm a little bit of a babylon 5 nerd.

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Seal the gangster in carbonite. Make it a gift to the empire. Colt 45 for everybody!

Oh! I would launch a multiple perimeter of orbiting hamsters named "conrad" into the area surronding my base, and allow the ships to be taken out by quickly-moving hamsters ripping through their hulls. This would work until they got blender-based armor, in which case we'd have to upgrade to guinea pigs.

Hmmm an interesting one...let me break it down.

If we're doing this in a "fair" manner:

We'll start with the mecha: I laugh at the puny mecha. If they launch a ground assault, they're royally boned. They have so many problems against regular tanks its not funny. The close-range variant gets shelled as it makes its way forward, whilst the other two are dealt with using long-range fire or air support. Seems they don't have any AA guns :p

An invisible mecha that cannot be seen on infrared or radar? Then I'll just use radiation detectors to find it by its emissions.

As for the fleets...

Oh screw it, I'll do it the fun (i.e. really not fair) way.

Seeing as though these raiders seem to be after my resources and are only attacking the freighters, I'm guessing that the mining bases themselves are well defended right?

Well in that case I abandon them, and make it perfectly clear that I am doing so. If the enemy sends only a few ships in to secure the bases, I'll strike with my full force and wipe his piecemeal fleet out. If he sends all of his forces in to secure these critical mining bases, I take every single ship I can scrap together and attack their homeworlds. I bombard the surface until every single man, woman and child is dead or surrendered.

I win :P

on finding they home world i do this to it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Exterminatus.jpg

on finding they home world i do this to it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Exterminatus.jpg

Beat ya to it buddy, genocide's my first resort :p

I'll engage in some random technobabble, press a lot of buttons, and manage to violate all of the laws of physics at once, plus invent a new fundamental particle. Then something will explode, those stupid sparks will fly out of the control panels, and lots of people will fall over until I hit an LCD screen a lot of times, at which point the episode will end and the closing credits will roll.

Beat ya to it buddy, genocide's my first resort :p

good you saved me time
now the fleet's crew's now can go out an get hooker's to fuck

I'll engage in some random technobabble, press a lot of buttons, and manage to violate all of the laws of physics at once, plus invent a new fundamental particle. Then something will explode, those stupid sparks will fly out of the control panels, and lots of people will fall over until I hit an LCD screen a lot of times, at which point the episode will end and the closing credits will roll./ST plots:p

I'd nuke 'em form orbit, it's they only way to be sure.

Failing that, I'd release some eggs on their planet. :)

I'd create a small fleet of stealthy cruisers with ship-to-planet missiles and hold their home colonies hostage.

good you saved me time
now the fleet's crew's now can go out an get hooker's to fuck

Pah! Philistine! In the co-educational Boozian fleet, you can get laid with the midshipwoman in the next cabin, thus completely eliminating the possibility of STDs, keeping everything entirely legal, maintaining security and an appearance of aloof discipline, and fostering a "family spirit" among the crew!

Pah! Philistine! In the co-educational Boozian fleet, you can get laid with the midshipwoman in the next cabin, thus completely eliminating the possibility of STDs, keeping everything entirely legal, maintaining security and an appearance of aloof discipline, and fostering a "family spirit" among the crew!

that is better

I'll engage in some random technobabble, press a lot of buttons, and manage to violate all of the laws of physics at once, plus invent a new fundamental particle. Then something will explode, those stupid sparks will fly out of the control panels, and lots of people will fall over until I hit an LCD screen a lot of times, at which point the episode will end and the closing credits will roll.

You win. A Zerg rush would also have been acceptable.

You win. A Zerg rush would also have been acceptable.

I am wretched... but I am strong!

I'd attempt the Corbomite Bluff.

it worked against both Bolok and the Klingons. Plus no one has the balls to call Kirk on it.

You win. A Zerg rush would also have been acceptable.

Yes, but the subspace distortions were interfering with our plasma relay reactors and causing the transporter matrix to reconfigure itself into a picture of Barbara Bush via the antimatter coagulation in a gravitational eddy at three seven one mark nineteen, so attempting a Zerg rush would have caused a supercavitation of the tachyon antineutrino photosynthesis beam, leading to a weird blue light that would suffuse the bridge and cause Ensign Whatserface to pass out again. Seriously, she does that every time the SFX people goof up that way, it's getting annoying as hell.

Yes, but the subspace distortions were interfering with our plasma relay reactors and causing the transporter matrix to reconfigure itself into a picture of Barbara Bush via the antimatter coagulation in a gravitational eddy at three seven one mark nineteen, so attempting a Zerg rush would have caused a supercavitation of the tachyon antineutrino photosynthesis beam, leading to a weird blue light that would suffuse the bridge and cause Ensign Whatserface to pass out again. Seriously, she does that every time the SFX people goof up that way, it's getting annoying as hell.

I second Iffy. You win. May anyone who disagrees be knawed to oblivion by tides of zerglings.

I second Iffy. You win. May anyone who disagrees be knawed to oblivion by tides of zerglings.

Of course I win. I always win. ;)

In the distant future, space colonies are used to mine for ores in space. Natural resources are scarce on earth, so some nations have talen steps to raid your freighters delivering resources to a space platform that will send them to earth. How would you defend your ships and colonies. Oh yea, don't forget that there are also pirates who are paid a lofty price for goods by blackmarket dealiers.


The enemy force:
3 fleets of space cruisers, destroyers, frigets, and small gun boats.
various fighter craft that can take off from the capital ships that can attack your ships.
Mecha. A close-range type equiped with small vulcan guns and a sword.
An all purpose mecha that can be used in cclose and medium ranges. And of course the long range mecha equiped with a sniper rifle.
And a secret prototype which can render itself invisible on infared radar waves equiped with a high energy rail gun and a high powered rifle.it is nuclear powered also


What would you do to defend your land???????????????????
have fun thinking up ways

I stop shipment and processing untill things improve.

if it doesn't, then I open my station to all nations and barter/trade ore for whatever I need.

then I hire the Pirates and use them to corner the Black Market.

using arms and equiptment gotten from the black market, I then turn the Pirates into Privateers and start opening talks with other stations.

Creating a United Space Federation of Mining Stations, I then use this new nation to barter with Earth.

Yes, but the subspace distortions were interfering with our plasma relay reactors and causing the transporter matrix to reconfigure itself into a picture of Barbara Bush via the antimatter coagulation in a gravitational eddy at three seven one mark nineteen, so attempting a Zerg rush would have caused a supercavitation of the tachyon antineutrino photosynthesis beam, leading to a weird blue light that would suffuse the bridge and cause Ensign Whatserface to pass out again. Seriously, she does that every time the SFX people goof up that way, it's getting annoying as hell.

Wow, you're good at this.

hell i just use a powerfull god to fuck them up

What would you do to defend your land???????????????????
have fun thinking up ways

I am a mining colony. They are from resource poor nations.
That means that most of their weapons will be beamtype, to spare the waste inherent in missiles, bombs, mines and topedoes. They will also wish to not destroy my ships, since that destroys the cargo.

I on the other hand do not have those problems. Having a few computercontrolled ships, indistnguishable from my normal cargo vessels but equipped with self destruct devices capable of taking out any ships coming near to it, will also be a great deterrent.

I will lose production, but they lose more.

how about just sending them a couple of pure fussion devices. that should (hypothetically speaking) "fix their wagons"

i change my mind. I would use a combined effort of pirates to raid there ships and sell arms to fund the building of my fleets. I also would build a prototype mecha that would have stealth capiblities and beam weaponery. i would build arbital guns to bombard the enemies colonies.

Flash my knackers at them, and when they're reeling in shock I go and punch the leader of the enemy in the face for being an arsehole.

All of the captains admire this, do a crazy dance, followed by going gome and I am, essentially, teh winnar.

Simple. Find a small group of misfit military officers with character shields, give them an old ship technologically inferior to any other ship in my interstellar fleet, then watch as they obliterate any and all opponents in their path to glory - and make a killing editing the footage, packaging it as a TV show, and transmitting it to all inhabited worlds in nearby space as entertainment programming.

Otherwise, find the best crew available (character shields are nice but may prove unreliable in such a situation), give them the best ship in my fleet, and watch as superior tactics and technology rip the enemy fleet to shreds.

Hmm, 500th post.

Say I'm going to surrender, and give the enemy commander a slip of paper with the code for control of everything on it, which must be said four times out loud, as it is voice-activated. The code shall be "HASTUR".

Kinetic bombardment. Drop big rocks on their home nation. They are at the bottom of a gravity well, I am sitting at the top and have a fleet of craft built specifically to maneuvre heavy loads. Heck, even if I miss their nation they will still have to deal with the resultant tsunami.

I would recruit a lot of jew, catholic and muslim priests, and send them randomly to each of the enemy and pirate ships. Once they stablished themselves on the ships, they would slowly convert people. And once the oficers of the ships were converted, they would start to destroy ships that were converted by other religions.

I would also make all the priests get money from the followers and send this money back to my home base, for the leaders of the religions. Once all the enemy ships were destroyed, I would kill all religious leaders and get the money from them, and at the same time get rid of all religious people on my colony and stablish an all-atheist colony.

So I would get rid of the pirates/ships in one stroke, get their money and get rid of all religious people on my colony with just one strike.

Vortex torpedos for their home planets and super-capitals.
Emperor class Battle-Barges.
Halcyon class cruisers. They suck, but they have sci-fi value.
M.A.C guns.
Jedi/Sith boarding/strike teams.
Dalek stationary defence posts.
Terminator, XV8 teams and MJOLNIR armoured strike teams to counter the mecha.
Also Borg. Just for the hell of it.
In emergencies I could teleport in my level 86 battle-mage to gib them.
Or project nerd-rays at them in the hopes of destroying their minds.

In the distant future, space colonies are used to mine for ores in space. Natural resources are scarce on earth, so some nations have talen steps to raid your freighters delivering resources to a space platform that will send them to earth. How would you defend your ships and colonies. Oh yea, don't forget that there are also pirates who are paid a lofty price for goods by blackmarket dealiers.


The enemy force:
3 fleets of space cruisers, destroyers, frigets, and small gun boats.
various fighter craft that can take off from the capital ships that can attack your ships.
Mecha. A close-range type equiped with small vulcan guns and a sword.
An all purpose mecha that can be used in cclose and medium ranges. And of course the long range mecha equiped with a sniper rifle.
And a secret prototype which can render itself invisible on infared radar waves equiped with a high energy rail gun and a high powered rifle.it is nuclear powered also


What would you do to defend your land???????????????????
have fun thinking up ways
Atomic Rockets (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/)

Setting aside all the problems with this set up, there'd really be only one course of action to stopping surface-side enemies from mucking things up. That would be to drop things on them. Even a few tons of ore would impact with the force of a fission warhead and since it were all from kinetic energy there would be no fallout.

There ain't no stealth in space because heat has to go somewhere. Period.

I know all you Battlestar Galactica fans are not going to want to hear it, but looking from a cost/benefit analysis, space fighter craft do not make any sense.

SPACE FIGHTERS. Small, fast, highly maneuverable COMBAT SPACECRAFT. They have very limited range (never FTL), and no crew habitability to speak of; they can only operate for at most a few hours at a time. The crew is limited to one person, or occasionally two. At least among EARTH HUMANS and ALIENS WTH FOREHEAD RIDGES, these are usually males in their early twenties, known for their swagger, coolness, and fast moves on any attractive female of an INTERBREEDABLE species. (Who REALLY ALIENS use to crew their Space Fighters is not known.)

Because of their short range, Space Fighters usually must be carried into action by TRANSPORTER ships, though in some cases they will be carried piggyback on other, larger Combat Spacecraft. Their tactical value is unclear, since the are really just small spacecraft themselves. Since they don't operate in an essentially different medium, the way aircraft operate in a different medium from surface ships, there is no fundamental reason why they should be all that much faster. In naval terms they are more analogous to motor gunboats than to airplanes.

Mostly Space Fighters fight each other, which is logical enough in itself but doesn't explain why they are used in the first place. Only two other missions can be identified for them:

1) To destroy gargantuan BATTLE STATIONS, which are vulnerable only to attack by Space Fighters.

2) To give prominent roles to young males in their early twenties, so they can display their swagger, coolness, and fast moves on any attractive female of an Interbreedable species.

Mecha would never be used in space combat. They make no sense at all. You'd never design a space ship to look like or be a mech. Swords are not used in space, only guns. Guns can be anything from projectile through laser or other energy weapon but never mecha and swords. Ever.

Railguns have a maximum velocity of about 6 km/s, which while fast, is still a limit. I don't think coilguns have a limit but they're much less efficient weapons and the faster you want the bullet to move the more coils and control you'll need.

I'd turn off Gundam Wing and go back to wanking and watching music videos on the intarwebz.

I do think fighters will be used on space warfare.

Why? Because you can mount extremely powerfull weapons even on fighters. Of course, these fighters could be much bigger than the standart ones we have here on earth.

But considering that we have absolutely no clue how space warfare really will work, if it works like Star Wars or Star Trek, fighters will be usefull.

I do think fighters will be used on space warfare.

Why? Because you can mount extremely powerfull weapons even on fighters. Of course, these fighters could be much bigger than the standart ones we have here on earth.

But considering that we have absolutely no clue how space warfare really will work, if it works like Star Wars or Star Trek, fighters will be usefull.
No. They won't. They really won't. Unless they're unmanned which would make them missile busses not fighters.

They're just too limited and would still cost an awful lot. The cons outweigh the pros.

Ok, the survival rate will be low, but that would not stop everyone. In world war I, the planes could barely fly, yet once someone got the idea of adding a machinegun to it, people started using it.

There are many reasons why fighters shouldnt be used. Low survival rate (which would mean a lot of training and time wasted, not to mention replacements, something hard in space), high maintenance costs (due to constant damage/high technology), and many other problems.

But somedays a guy will think of a way to use them, and people will use fighters. Maybe not the ones we have nowadays, but slighly bigger, like corvetes or such.

Anyway, I want to listen to your reasons why they wouldnt be used. I want to know your ideas.

Anyway, I want to listen to your reasons why they wouldnt be used. I want to know your ideas.
They have very limited range (never FTL), and no crew habitability to speak of; they can only operate for at most a few hours at a time. The crew is limited to one person, or occasionally two. At least among EARTH HUMANS and ALIENS WTH FOREHEAD RIDGES, these are usually males in their early twenties, known for their swagger, coolness, and fast moves on any attractive female of an INTERBREEDABLE species. (Who REALLY ALIENS use to crew their Space Fighters is not known.)

Because of their short range, Space Fighters usually must be carried into action by TRANSPORTER ships, though in some cases they will be carried piggyback on other, larger Combat Spacecraft. Their tactical value is unclear, since the are really just small spacecraft themselves. Since they don't operate in an essentially different medium, the way aircraft operate in a different medium from surface ships, there is no fundamental reason why they should be all that much faster. In naval terms they are more analogous to motor gunboats than to airplanes.

Mostly Space Fighters fight each other, which is logical enough in itself but doesn't explain why they are used in the first place. Only two other missions can be identified for them:

1) To destroy gargantuan BATTLE STATIONS, which are vulnerable only to attack by Space Fighters.

2) To give prominent roles to young males in their early twenties, so they can display their swagger, coolness, and fast moves on any attractive female of an Interbreedable species.

Didn't you read my previous post? It's be like having mini-boats launched from a battleship. They'd get blown up fast and wouldn't provide enough extra firepower or strategic advantage.

Locate their home/base systems, send a single probe which would cause the star in the system to collapse into a nova, blackhole or something extremely dangerous.

In the distant future, space colonies are used to mine for ores in space. Natural resources are scarce on earth, so some nations have talen steps to raid your freighters delivering resources to a space platform that will send them to earth. How would you defend your ships and colonies. Oh yea, don't forget that there are also pirates who are paid a lofty price for goods by blackmarket dealiers.


The enemy force:
3 fleets of space cruisers, destroyers, frigets, and small gun boats.
various fighter craft that can take off from the capital ships that can attack your ships.
Mecha. A close-range type equiped with small vulcan guns and a sword.
An all purpose mecha that can be used in cclose and medium ranges. And of course the long range mecha equiped with a sniper rifle.
And a secret prototype which can render itself invisible on infared radar waves equiped with a high energy rail gun and a high powered rifle.it is nuclear powered also


What would you do to defend your land???????????????????
have fun thinking up ways

I'd surrender the convoy to the enemy. Upon their taking it to their station, I'd detonate the ships, sending the hunks of ore within their cargo holds outwards like buckshot and punching holes in their base of operation.

Having then used the navigational data from the hijacked freighters I'd perform quick hit and run attacks on their fleet, which now have nowhere to repair and quite possibly no chain of command, as well. After crippling the bulk of their forces I'd send in a larger, more concentrated amount of ships to finish the job.

Beer.

Lots and lots of beer.

:)

Mecha would be good in space combat because they are more human like and if you give them enough thrust power they can move fast. They can do similar things as humans do since they have arms and legs .

Mecha would be good in space combat because they are more human like and if you give them enough thrust power they can move fast. They can do similar things as humans do since they have arms and legs .
No. That's just really fucking stupid and you're a dumb shit for even thinking that. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case I'll forgive you in advance. But not if you're serious.

The problem with people in space is that you can't stand on anything so you can't walk or run, hell you can't even swim through space unless there's something like water for you to push against. You'd just float there and flail your mecha arms and legs and then slowly accelerate into a plummet towards the surface of Earth because you'd be in freefall unless you were set in an orbit which would probably eventually degrade to the point where you'd still go into freefall and die.

Some things about space anime with mecha space fighters: constant thrust does not equal constant velocity, constant thrust equals constant acceleration until you get close to 10% of C (the speed of light in a vacuum) which is close enough to relativistic speeds to start seeing a little difference (less acceleration for the same amount of thrust, thanks a lot Eistein :( ); strapping a jet to your mecha back and feet will just make you fly in one direction, the opposite direction the jetpack(s) are pointed in; every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction so every time you fire a big gun from a small ship it will have to fire at least one engine on the other side of the ship to keep the ship from being knocked off course by the kick; there is no reason for a sword in a space fight unless you're down to decorations on your ship (why have decorations when you're being charged by the gram?) and are hoping to pull an Interceptor on the Black Pearl (load a bunch of misc crap into the guns when you run out of real rounds) because in space even a coin can put a basketball sized hole in an enemy hull if it's moving fast enough but not too fast or it'll explode on imapct with the wimple sheild and unless the projectile is big enough will just put a hole in that thin sheet and I'm going off on a tangent; mecha has the same problems as fighters except more; mecha are needlessly more complex machines and are of less value in a space fight than a ship or even a well designed "jet on a long lever arm" fighter. Mecha, to put it bluntly, suck in space fights and their value in even ground-based fights is questionable at best.