NationStates Jolt Archive


Was Hitler insane, or arrogant?

Lichy
30-12-2006, 21:16
I am not a psychologist and would not claim to judge whether a person is or is
not insane, however one can't help but wonder if Hitler's actions fitted his
stated motives. For example, conventional wisdom says that Hitler intended to
conquer Europe. If that is the case, he did everything possible to prevent
Germany from winning the war. Case in point - immediately after the German
victory over Poland in October, 1939, Hitler ordered his generals to plan for
an immediate attack on France. Naturally the generals went into apoplexy.
Germany was in no position to invade France in October, 1939. She still had
1.5 million troops in Poland. The only thing that stopped Hitler from invading
France in the Fall of 1939 was the weather. Had the weather cooperated,
Germany would have stumbled into France, woefully unprepared.

If one needs another example of the contradiction between goals and actions,
one need only look at Hitler's actions vis-a-vis the British at Dunkirk.
General Manstein vehemently opposed Hitler's orders to halt short of the
Dunkirk beaches. In short, why did Hitler let the Brits get away? He had them
in the palm of his hands and he knew it. At least Manstein knew it.

The third and most catostrophic case of goals not meeting with actions is
Hitler's invasion of Russia. Germany could have defeated Russia if she had
concentrated her forces on Moscow and Lenningrad, however, Hitler weakened his
central front in order to capture the wheatfields of Ukraine. Any moron knows
that if you invade a country the first goal is to capture the capital, thereby
paralyzing the administrative structure and achieving a great psychological
vctory.

Again, it is probably impossible, and unecessary, for us to judge on Hitler's
sanity. All that matters are his actions and motives. If we concentrate on
these, then we can keep our focus where it belongs and, with luck, prevent
another Hitler from returning to Germany.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 21:18
I am not a psychologist and would not claim to judge whether a person is or is
not insane, however one can't help but wonder if Hitler's actions fitted his
stated motives. For example, conventional wisdom says that Hitler intended to
conquer Europe. If that is the case, he did everything possible to prevent
Germany from winning the war. Case in point - immediately after the German
victory over Poland in October, 1939, Hitler ordered his generals to plan for
an immediate attack on France. Naturally the generals went into apoplexy.
Germany was in no position to invade France in October, 1939. She still had
1.5 million troops in Poland. The only thing that stopped Hitler from invading
France in the Fall of 1939 was the weather. Had the weather cooperated,
Germany would have stumbled into France, woefully unprepared.

If one needs another example of the contradiction between goals and actions,
one need only look at Hitler's actions vis-a-vis the British at Dunkirk.
General Manstein vehemently opposed Hitler's orders to halt short of the
Dunkirk beaches. In short, why did Hitler let the Brits get away? He had them
in the palm of his hands and he knew it. At least Manstein knew it.

The third and most catostrophic case of goals not meeting with actions is
Hitler's invasion of Russia. Germany could have defeated Russia if she had
concentrated her forces on Moscow and Lenningrad, however, Hitler weakened his
central front in order to capture the wheatfields of Ukraine. Any moron knows
that if you invade a country the first goal is to capture the capital, thereby
paralyzing the administrative structure and achieving a great psychological
vctory.

Again, it is probably impossible, and unecessary, for us to judge on Hitler's
sanity. All that matters are his actions and motives. If we concentrate on
these, then we can keep our focus where it belongs and, with luck, prevent
another Hitler from returning to Germany.

Although not bad for a very first post, (I give it a B or a C),it's irrelevant because none of us at all were around to experience the actions of Hitler,or knew Hitler personally,so none of us can make any real claims on his state of mind.All we really know about Hitler comes from history lessons and documentaries-i.e.,we don't know all that much.
Nadkor
30-12-2006, 21:18
Some from column A, some from column B.
Infinite Revolution
30-12-2006, 21:20
basically the 'dolf was just a dickwad. there are so many people exactly like him. fortunately most of them have never had an audience.
Bolol
30-12-2006, 21:21
He was all three, plus a few others: A combination of insanity, arrogance, ignorance, psychopathy, narciccism and stubbornness which I call "Batshit Crazy".
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:26
hitler wasn't crazy he just tryed to make the world a better place but failed , ghandi in his own warped ways tryed to make the world a better place (but in truth he made no difference to making the world better) and yet you don't call him insane , hitler had a good idea but the way he did it was wrong.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:26
why the hell doesn't this pole have a option for "not crazy"
Lichy
30-12-2006, 21:27
He was all three, plus a few others: A combination of insanity, arrogance, ignorance, psychopathy, narciccism and stubbornness which I call "Batshit Crazy".

Psychopathy and narciccism are clinicly the same thing. But I agree with the stubborness part. My great grand-father said to my once " If reason and sound decisions slapped Hitler in the face, he would brush them off and continue down his dark road of destruction."
The Pacifist Womble
30-12-2006, 21:28
All.

Insane: thought that killing animals was evil, but that killing people was fine.

Arrogant: thought he could fight a successful war on multiple fronts.

Ignorant: of the lethal Russian winter which had stopped other conquerors before him
Lichy
30-12-2006, 21:29
why the hell doesn't this pole have a option for "not crazy"

No he was crazy, he had a perosnality disorder called castration complex, where the more he loved his mother, the more he feared his father; and thus became more psycologicly dependant on the presance of his mother. This has been proven by studies into his personality.
Lichy
30-12-2006, 21:31
All.

Insane: thought that killing animals was evil, but that killing people was fine.

Arrogant: thought he could fight a successful war on multiple fronts.

Ignorant: of the lethal Russian winter which had stopped other conquerors before him

You forgot :
Stubborn: wouldn't listen to his advisors.
and
Paranoia:thought the Jews were out to kill his master race.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 21:31
hitler wasn't crazy he just tryed to make the world a better place but failed , ghandi in his own warped ways tryed to make the world a better place (but in truth he made no difference to making the world better) and yet you don't call him insane , hitler had a good idea but the way he did it was wrong.

WTF?!
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:32
No he was crazy, he had a perosnality disorder called castration complex, where the more he loved his mother, the more he feared his father; and thus became more psycologicly dependant on the presance of his mother. This has been proven by studies into his personality.

that doesn't make him insane , he just had phsycological problem , and the british empire thought on multiple fornts and was succesfull hence the empire of around 38 million km
Infinite Revolution
30-12-2006, 21:33
why the hell doesn't this pole have a option for "not crazy"

cuz this "pole"[sic] has a label that says "not for crazies" on it.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:34
WTF?!

Hitler tried to make the world a better place but other national leaders opposed him and they won in war and so they have forced it upon there citizens to believe he was wrong because they thought he was wrong regardless of what the population thinks.
South Lizasauria
30-12-2006, 21:34
I think hitler was damaged from the hardships after WWI and it eventually drove him an many other Germans to do terrible things.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 21:37
Hitler tried to make the world a better place but other national leaders opposed him and they won in war and so they have forced it upon there citizens to believe he was wrong because they thought he was wrong regardless of what the population thinks.

So do you think he was not wrong? You said "hitler had a good idea but the way he did it was wrong". What exactly was the good idea?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 21:39
hitler wasn't crazy he just tryed to make the world a better place but failed , ghandi in his own warped ways tryed to make the world a better place (but in truth he made no difference to making the world better) and yet you don't call him insane , hitler had a good idea but the way he did it was wrong.

You are a sad,sad man.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:40
So do you think he was not wrong? You said "hitler had a good idea but the way he did it was wrong". What exactly was the good idea?

purify races (must be done for the sake of humanity progressing) , slaughtering those who lacked the neccesity's to make decent contributions to society unify the world (by means of war) , cleaning out those that are to arrogant or immoral
tot he point that it blinds them. To rebuild those of the white europeans to there rightfull dominance and superiority.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:41
You are a sad,sad man.

you think I am sad because I have my own political ideaology and beliefs? and support those who act it out.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 21:42
purify races (must be done for the sake of humanity progressing) , slaughtering those who lacked the neccesity's to make decent contributions to society unify the world (by means of war) , cleaning out those that are to arrogant or immoral
tot he point that it blinds them. To rebuild those of the white europeans to there rightfull dominance and superiority.

I really hope you're bulshitting me.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 21:42
Hitler tried to make the world a better place but other national leaders opposed him and they won in war and so they have forced it upon there citizens to believe he was wrong because they thought he was wrong regardless of what the population thinks.

...In what way did he try to make the world a better place?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 21:43
you think I am sad because I have my own political ideaology and beliefs? and support those who act it out.

You believe Hitler had the right idea.In my books,that's kinda scary.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 21:43
you think I am sad because I have my own political ideaology and beliefs? and support those who act it out.

No, beacuse you're a sick white supremacist.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:44
I am not bulshitting you
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 21:45
purify races (must be done for the sake of humanity progressing) , slaughtering those who lacked the neccesity's to make decent contributions to society unify the world (by means of war) , cleaning out those that are to arrogant or immoral
tot he point that it blinds them. To rebuild those of the white europeans to there rightfull dominance and superiority.

What about decent contributions to NS general? What would you have done to those who cannot form coherent sentences?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:45
No, beacuse you're a sick white supremacist.

Not sick but sure as hell I am a white supremecist , white nationalist and a racist.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 21:48
Not sick but sure as hell I am a white supremecist , white nationalist and a racist.

Do me a favour.Explain why?I can never ever see the logic of people like you.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 21:48
Not sick but sure as hell I am a white supremecist , white nationalist and a racist.

Sick indeed.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 21:54
Do me a favour.Explain why?I can never ever see the logic of people like you.

you can't because you are foolish , blinded by what you have been told and most people have prejudiced against us for so long your not suppose to see it after all that.
LiberationFrequency
30-12-2006, 22:02
you can't because you are foolish , blinded by what you have been told and most peopel have prejudiced against us for so long your not suppsoe to see it after all that.

Yeah, you poor white supremecists suffering so much prejudice but I guess thats what happens when you beleive your superior to everyone else
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:04
you can't because you are foolish , blinded by what you have been told and most people have prejudiced against us for so long your not suppose to see it after all that.

I'm not SUPPOSED to see it am I?And I'm foolish?Hmm.You make a bad point.You're assuming all this despite not having explained what you actually believe.Don't be under the impression that by explaining it that I'll agree with you,I think you're views are kinda sick,personally.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:06
what is sick about having pride in my race? what is sick about trying help humanity?
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:07
what is sick about having pride in my race? what is sick about trying help humanity?

By killing most of it off?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:09
what is sick about having pride in my race? what is sick about trying help humanity?

There's nothing sick about having some pride.It's sick thinking you're better than everyone else because of something so petty as the colour of your skin.
Helping humanity?How the hell are you doing that?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:09
By killing most of it off?

yes by wiping out the weak and useless , by wiping out those who will hinder us and ultimate unification .
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:12
yes by wiping out the weak and useless , by wiping out those who will hinder us and ultimate unification .

Then what? A party? Or will there always be those weaker than the strong? Will there always be war in your little utopian vision? Mmmm. Constant violence. Always good for a hard-on for those who think small.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:13
There's nothing sick about having some pride.It's sick thinking you're better than everyone else because of something so petty as the colour of your skin.
Helping humanity?How the hell are you doing that?

hahahahahaha see this is why your foolish you believe race resides on colour it doesn't , the jewish race can be of black , white or hispanic and yet they ahve certain differences. I am white European not just white or aryan , being white could mean nothing , your race is about your heritage.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:13
yes by wiping out the weak and useless , by wiping out those who will hinder us and ultimate unification .

:rolleyes:
You're a bit deluded.You want to conduct mass slaughter in order to "unify us all?"
Wow.Explain how killing millions upon millions of people unifies mankind?
LiberationFrequency
30-12-2006, 22:14
Don't feed the troll! Think about what white supremecist actually admits it then complains about being 'prejudiced' against?

"yes by wiping out the weak and useless , by wiping out those who will hinder us and ultimate unification ."

C'mon thats just cliche
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:14
Then what? A party? Or will there always be those weaker than the strong? Will there always be war in your little utopian vision? Mmmm. Constant violence. Always good for a hard-on for those who think small.

the weaker will be cleansed , and threw genetics people have already proven that they can make people smarter , stronger , faster , more mentally adept by the genes you recieve. With unification there is no need for war.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:15
hahahahahaha see this is why your foolish you believe race resides on colour it doesn't , the jewish race can be of black , white or hispanic and yet they ahve certain differences. I am white European not just white or aryan , being white could mean nothing , your race is about your heritage.

Race can reside in colour.Can.Not always.
Anti-Jewish much?Thought so.Now explain what a Jew has done to you to make you hate them so much.Go on,I want personal reasons.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:17
the weaker will be cleansed , and threw genetics people have already proven that they can make people smarter , stronger , faster , more mentally adept by the genes you recieve. With unification there is no need for war.

In your vision there's always need for war.In your little utopia you're going to end up with someone fighting for control.There's ALWAYS going to be a strong and a weak.But,it's up to the strong to help the weak,not brutally murder them.
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:17
the weaker will be cleansed , and threw genetics people have already proven that they can make people smarter , stronger , faster , more mentally adept by the genes you recieve. With unification there is no need for war.

You assume that the standards for weak and strong will remain constant. It's a stupid assumption. But don't worry. It may dawn on you.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:18
:rolleyes:
You're a bit deluded.You want to conduct mass slaughter in order to "unify us all?"
Wow.Explain how killing millions upon millions of people unifies mankind?

many wars and schism are created by things but threw mass slaughter of those who deserve it will help stop that. think of all the petty things people fight about
I do not claim that by killing of the weak , those of a difference and those who remain a hindrence will cure all those problems but it will cure a great deal of it. and no it won't be millions BUT Billions.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:19
Race can reside in colour.Can.Not always.
Anti-Jewish much?Thought so.Now explain what a Jew has done to you to make you hate them so much.Go on,I want personal reasons.

when did i say I hate them , I used them as a example but yes I do hate them.

white European is genetically and pigmentadly different to White asian and White american , the asian race sometimes has alot of what you could call white people.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:22
and no it won't be millions BUT Billions.

Oh.My.God.
It makes me slightly ill that I live in the same country as you.
You seriously believe that in mass genocide,we can cure the worlds problems?Jeez,I thought I'd seen it all.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:23
when did i say I hate them , I used them as a example but yes I do hate them.


Contradict yourself much?
Come on.Why do you hate them?What have they EVER done to offend you,or done to harm you?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:24
Oh.My.God.
It makes me slightly ill that I live in the same country as you.
You seriously believe that in mass genocide,we can cure the worlds problems?Jeez,I thought I'd seen it all.

If you read my posts you'd realise I said some of the world problems.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:25
Race does not determine weakness or strength, and if it does, we should help the weak, not slaughter them. YOu know that even the "weak" people have feelings and souls and are not just slugs that sit around and contaminate the master race. Now I am African, and you can't do anything about that, and I certainly wouldn't want to be gassed.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:27
If you read my posts you'd realise I said some of the world problems.

Oh and that makes tons of difference.The fact is,you believe mass slaughter on a gigantic scale will help humanity.You're wrong,friend.The weak need help,not death.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:33
Oh and that makes tons of difference.The fact is,you believe mass slaughter on a gigantic scale will help humanity.You're wrong,friend.The weak need help,not death.

The weak will remain weak and will hinder the strong they shall drain the strongs effort and resoruces thus ultimately permanently wasting time , resources and shortening the ultimately life span of the strong . The weak will always need help they will never change , if we stop to help them then we would only work to the ultimate demise of humanity.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:33
race does , as most people know generally white people are not as sporty as black people , and yes there is something I can do something about you being african , the nazi's research provided them with a way of artifically changing a persons eye colour or skin colour but as I have said race doesn't reside on colour but that deosn't stop me hating blacks . I wouldn't bother gassing you , what a waste of money in the long run , rather I would place you in a large chamber with others and I would deprive the room of oxygen I would remove the oxygen from the chamber and I would stop any form enterring thus you will suffocate within minutes. Ultimately cheaper and more effective.

That's wrong,pure and simple.You're disgusting.For that last remark about "changing Arkendommer" and "putting him in a large chamber and depriving it of oxygen" I ought to report you to the mods.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:34
race does , as most people know generally white people are not as sporty as black people , and yes there is something I can do something about you being african , the nazi's research provided them with a way of artifically changing a persons eye colour or skin colour but as I have said race doesn't reside on colour but that deosn't stop me hating blacks . I wouldn't bother gassing you , what a waste of money in the long run , rather I would place you in a large chamber with others and I would deprive the room of oxygen I would remove the oxygen from the chamber and I would stop any form enterring thus you will suffocate within minutes. Ultimately cheaper and more effective.
WTF? I was just told somebody would like to suffocate me. That we wouldn't waste money on gassing me. H-O-L-Y S-H-I-T. :upyours:
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:36
The weak will remain weak and will hinder the strong they shall drain the strongs effort and resoruces thus ultimately permanently wasting time , resources and shortening the ultimately life span of the strong . The weak will always need help they will never change , if we stop to help them then we would only work to the ultimate demise of humanity.

You're just wrong,through and through.Morally and ethically wrong.You talk of the "strong stopping to help the weak" as if it's a race,and whoever gets first place will reap the rewards.Newsflash.It is not your authority to decide who is better,or who is worse.It is not your decision of who is killed and who is not,and what is better-black or white.Because on this big blue planet,you are a tiny insignificant speck,and what you say will make no difference to the overall grand scheme of things.We're all here together,and if we're all going to survive together,we need to help each other.Not brutally murder each other.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:38
Well he/she asked me about it so I answered truthfully and I ahev a second way of killing people that is somewhat faster than deprevation of air but slower in a group and very ineffecient and that is to slit the throats of the chained offenders and allow the bastards to bleed to death. If you don't want answers liekt hat then don't ask , although you seem quiet keen to question me about things.

You're sick.No other words for it,just sick.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:39
You're just wrong,through and through.Morally and ethically wrong.You talk of the "strong stopping to help the weak" as if it's a race,and whoever gets first place will reap the rewards.Newsflash.It is not your authority to decide who is better,or who is worse.It is not your decision of who is killed and who is not,and what is better-black or white.Because on this big blue planet,you are a tiny insignificant speck,and what you say will make no difference to the overall grand scheme of things.We're all here together,and if we're all going to survive together,we need to help each other.Not brutally murder each other.

Was hitler a insignificant speck ? cause he caused the deaths of more than 62 million people , and I don't choose who is weak but nature and genetics does , and sadly it is not my authority to kill them off yet , but in the future things could change I am to young to make a difference now but later ....
Maney people have changed the grand scheme of things on "this blue planet".
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:39
I'm not actually African, I was just testing to see what he/she/it would say.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:41
I'm not actually African, I was just testing to see what he/she/it would do.

did you get the reaction you wanted?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:41
Was hitler a insignificant speck ? cause he caused the detahs of more than 62 million people , and I don't choose who is weak but nature and genetics does , and sadly it is not my authority to kill them off yet , but in the future things could change I am to young to make a difference now but later ....
Maney people have changed the grand scheme of things on "this blue planet".

I personally hope no one is deluded enough to listen to you.
And look what happened to Hitler.Dead much?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:42
I'm not actually African, I was just testing to see what he/she/it would say.

Ah.Hmm.See,I reported his posts,but you were technically flamebaiting in a way.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:42
He would be dead by now anyway but he did a very valiant effort to help humanity , his country and his race.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:43
did you get the reaction you wanted?

Yes and no, it was a reaction that wasn't much of a suprise (yet it's detail was disturbing) but I wasn't really looking for a particular result.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:43
He would be dead by now anyway but he did a very valiant effort to help humanity , his country and his race.

He did no such thing.He attempted to wipe out various groups of people because he saw himself as better than them-which he wasn't.He was no better than any other evil dictator in recent history.He was a monster.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:43
Ah.Hmm.See,I reported his posts,but you were technically flamebaiting in a way.

you questioned me , you demanded answers and now your reporting me because I didn't say what you wanted me to say and thus your mind didn't get the what it wanted.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:44
Ah.Hmm.See,I reported his posts,but you were technically flamebaiting in a way.

Oh. Bannable?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:45
He did no such thing.He attempted to wipe out various groups of people because he saw himself as better than them-which he wasn't.He was no better than any other evil dictator in recent history.He was a monster.

He was evil in your opinion and he was superior because of his ancestry and you just don't want to believe that because of the social repocussions.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:45
you questioned me , you demanded answers and now your reporting me because I didn't say what you wanted me to say and thus your mind didn't get the what it wanted.

You said you wanted to deprive him of oxygen,along with other blacks,and also said you would like to slit the throats and "let the bastards bleed to death."I think I was justified.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:47
He was evil in your opinion and eh was superior because of his ancestry and you just don't want to believe that because of the social repocussions.

No,I don't want to believe it because I think it's wrong.He is no better than anyone else on this huge planet-in fact,I think he's worse.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:47
You said you wanted to deprive him of oxygen,along with other blacks,and also said you would like to slit the throats and "let the bastards bleed to death."I think I was justified.

I didn't say with other blacks I said with others , although that others could have white people in it to i.e jewish-white , but it probably would be with other blacks , asians and hispanics.
CiPearl
30-12-2006, 22:48
the weaker will be cleansed , and threw genetics people have already proven that they can make people smarter , stronger , faster , more mentally adept by the genes you recieve. With unification there is no need for war.

Obviously you didn't get any of the superior genes: it is "through" not "threw", the 'through' that you used is like, "I threw a baseball". So if we're supposed to be impressed by your arguments based on your mental superiority, I'm afraid that it's not working. I'd just like to say that I find your reasoning disgusting and tell you that you give a bad name to non-racist white people. I'm as WASP as it gets and I'm ashamed that you feel that people like me are superior to anyone. I don't know where you got your morals and ideals, but it must have been about 200 years ago.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:48
Oh. Bannable?

Warnable I think.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:48
He was evil in your opinion and eh was superior because of his ancestry and you just don't want to believe that because of the social repocussions.

No, I think she just doesn't believe that his race was superior. There aren't many social reprecussions from being a Nazi, as you may know.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:49
I didn't say with other blacks I said with others , although that others could have white people in it to i.e jewish-white , but it probably would be with other blacks , asians and hispanics.

You're still contradicting yourself.It's kinda funny.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:49
Warnable I think.

Good/ish.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 22:50
Good/ish.

Meh,could be worse.We'll see what the mods say.
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:50
Hey, Empire. I'm still wondering if you feel that the definitions of weak and strong won't be changed after you get rid of all those pesky "others"?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:51
No, I think she just doesn't believe that his race was superior. There aren't many social reprecussions from being a Nazi, as you may know.

There is , my friends treat me slightly different , and those chavs and blacks in my year like to try and take the piss out of me but I scarcley need to say that they failed.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:53
There is , my friends treat me slightly different , and those chavs and blacks in my year like to try and take the piss out of me but I scarcley need to say that they failed.

How do they know you're a Nazi?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:54
Hey, Empire. I'm still wondering if you feel that the definitions of weak and strong won't be changed after you get rid of all those pesky "others"?

They'll have to , I mean you still can't blame the dead for being weak but there is weakness at a tolerable level . Participation to reach potential , you don't ahve to be great at everything you just need to participate to yuor fullest potential and that'll make you strong but as for other races I am sorry to say that they annd they ancestry has already condemmed them to a doomed future.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 22:56
How do they know you're a Nazi?

I do not bother to keep my voice down when talking about my opinions and I do not deny it .
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:57
They'll have to , I mean you still can't blame the dead for being weak but there is weakness at a tolerable level . Participation to reach potential , you don't ahve to be great at everything you just need to participate to yuor fullest potential and that'll make you strong but as for other races I am sorry to say that they annd they ancestry has already condemmed them to a doomed future.

Who would decide what is tolerable? What would the line be? What would happen to those who fall beneath that line? You cannot hope that there will be no resistance. That people would not find this society to be in the wrong. Look at how much opposition you are facing in this thread. In your school. You are talking about a society which can only be upheld through violence and where there can be no peace.

I won't comment about your ridiculous opinions of other races and your judgement of them except to say that it is rare to read such an ignorant statement.
Arrkendommer
30-12-2006, 22:58
I do not bother to keep my voice down when talking about my opinions and I do not deny it .

No shaved head or armband?
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 22:59
No shaved head or armband?

Maybe he wears a button?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:00
Who would decide what is tolerable? What would the line be? What would happen to those who fall beneath that line? You cannot hope that there will be no resistance. That people would not find this society to be in the wrong. Look at how much opposition you are facing in this thread. In your school. You are talking about a society which can only be upheld through violence and where there can be no peace.

No becuase of violence we created peace , we wiped out those who threatened peace (even though thats sounds liek a oxymoron) and as for tolerable and the line , I would follow the line of the hitler youth , they did not just pick the best they allowed all to come and be taught and if they fell below the line they would work harder to reach above it again or face shame in the furhers eyes. In my school not that maney are outspoken against me , they just avoid the topic(s) because it is such a sensitive matter in britain . No matter they opposition i will not be cowed and coerced into abandoning what I believe in.
Onabanestan
30-12-2006, 23:00
Was hitler a insignificant speck ? cause he caused the deaths of more than 62 million people

Yeah, and he did that all by himself. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I was just wondering why being European makes you superiour. Genetically, I mean. It doesn't seem like there's much of a difference between most groups of people (besides culturally). I just would like to know.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:03
Maybe he wears a button?

I am not a skinhead , they're different to what I believe and I need not wear a armband , I don't need such things as that just to show what I am. People who talk to me for a while generally have some inkling about it besides why would I? having a skinhead is not a hair cut I'd like and wear and armband is not a item of clothing I'd wear and I don't like wearing buttons.
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:04
No becuase of violence we created peace , we wiped out those who threatened peace (even though thats sounds liek a oxymoron) and as for tolerable and the line , I would follow the line of the hitler youth , they did not just pick the best they allowed all to come and be taught and if they fell below the line they would work harder to reach above it again or face shame in the furhers eyes. In my school not that maney are outspoken against me , they just avoid the topic(s) because it is such a sensitive matter in britain . No matter they opposition i will not be cowed and coerced into abandoning what I believe in.

You are still speaking in terms of the idealistic. That somehow, everyone will fall in step once other races have been terminated.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:06
I am not a skinhead , they're different to what I believe and I need not wear a armband , I don't need such things as that just to show what I am. People who talk to me for a while generally have some inkling about it besides why would I? having a skinhead is not a hair cut I'd like and wear and armband is not a item of clothing I'd wear and I don't like wearing buttons.

I don't think you are a skinhead, at least skinheads arguments have some sort of very basic but flawed logic to them, and at least they try and provide sources for what they say.

You on the other hand, are insane.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:06
Yeah, and he did that all by himself. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I was just wondering why being European makes you superiour. Genetically, I mean. It doesn't seem like there's much of a difference between most groups of people (besides culturally). I just would like to know.

Genetics have proved that , If you want the links to all the sources then go on stormfront , heres abit of evidence that most cannot deny . As you will know homo sapian sapians (humanity) first evolved in africa and as humanity extended to europe and other continents it had to EVOLVE . Being a single-minded basic prototype of humanity wouldn't suit the needs of humanitys but I am sorry to say but with all this racial cross-breeding the balck races has changed somewhat but it is a prototype of what humanity is.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:07
Genetics have proved that , If you want the links to all the sources then go on stormfront , heres abit of evidence that most cannot deny . As you will know homo sapian sapians (humanity) first evolved in africa and as humanity extended to europe and other continents it had to EVOLVE . Being a single-minded basic prototype of humanity wouldn't suit the needs of humanitys but I am sorry to say but with all this racial cross-breeding the balck races has changed somewhat but it is a prototype of what humanity is.

You fail at science.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:07
I don't think you are a skinhead, at least skinheads arguments have some sort of very basic but flawed logic to them, and at least they try and provide sources for what they say.

You on the other hand, are insane.

I am of perfect mental and emotional health and very sane I just have indivigual thoughts.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:08
You fail at science.

actually no , I get high marks in all my science tests exams and topics.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:09
Genetics have proved that , If you want the links to all the sources then go on stormfront , heres abit of evidence that most cannot deny . As you will know homo sapian sapians (humanity) first evolved in africa and as humanity extended to europe and other continents it had to EVOLVE . Being a single-minded basic prototype of humanity wouldn't suit the needs of humanitys but I am sorry to say but with all this racial cross-breeding the balck races has changed somewhat but it is a prototype of what humanity is.

You're going back millions of years.You cannot possibly compare civilization today on primates whom we know nothing about.Civilization actually STARTED in Africa.The birthplace of civilization.Yet they're inferior?

P.S. I'm not saying blacks are superior either,I'm in the view that everyone's equal.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:10
actually no , I get high marks in all my science tests exams and topics.

apparently not. Impart from your completely flawed argument, you just sited from Stormfront, the most unreliable source you can ever use.
Onabanestan
30-12-2006, 23:10
Genetics have proved that , If you want the links to all the sources then go on stormfront , heres abit of evidence that most cannot deny . As you will know homo sapian sapians (humanity) first evolved in africa and as humanity extended to europe and other continents it had to EVOLVE . Being a single-minded basic prototype of humanity wouldn't suit the needs of humanitys but I am sorry to say but with all this racial cross-breeding the balck races has changed somewhat but it is a prototype of what humanity is.

Yes, and as some of humanity stayed in Africa it also EVOLVED to better survive. Your statement is flawed in believing that the average modern African has been genetically trapped in time since ancient times. Please don't try to out-Darwin me. kthxbai
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:12
You're going back millions of years.You cannot possibly compare civilization today on primates whom we know nothing about.Civilization actually STARTED in Africa.The birthplace of civilization.Yet they're inferior?

P.S. I'm not saying blacks are superior either,I'm in the view that everyone's equal.

Inferior due to evolution
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:13
I am of perfect mental and emotional health and very sane I am just a indivigual thoughts.

I think you are a kid who likes to be the odd man out. Maybe you were beat up by a black kid. Maybe you have a small penis and an acne problem. You feel inferior and are attracted to the idea of a Master Race. If you can't be superior individually, maybe you can be part of a superior group. You gain confidence by repulsing people and having a Grand Idea shields others from seeing your own insecurities. There is no way anybody will get anywhere with you through discussion and if you ever want to be happy, you'd do well to face yourself and see a therapist.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:14
Yes, and as some of humanity stayed in Africa it also EVOLVED to better survive. Your statement is flawed in believing that the average modern African has been genetically trapped in time since ancient times. Please don't try to out-Darwin me. kthxbai

Darwin said survival of the fittest yes? well the african peoples has trouble staying alive , it is only due to the fact they seem to have high sex drives that they survive that have massive birth rates and yet sexual intercourse spreads most diesease and the strong have stopped to help the weak (africans) and look at how all the developing countries are fairing when they are wasting there time on a lost cause.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:15
Inferior due to evolution

Inferior how? Physical fitness is certainly not inferior in black people. But I guess you are talking about intelligence? Why would that be different? You're brain does not evolve differently depending on where you live, or what your physical body looks like, it would evolve at the same rate wherever you live.

The only reason why africans may seem intellictually inferior to simple minded people is because they are poorer, and deprived of education.
Tirindor
30-12-2006, 23:16
I am not a psychologist and would not claim to judge whether a person is or is
not insane, however one can't help but wonder if Hitler's actions fitted his
stated motives. For example, conventional wisdom says that Hitler intended to
conquer Europe. If that is the case, he did everything possible to prevent
Germany from winning the war. Case in point - immediately after the German
victory over Poland in October, 1939, Hitler ordered his generals to plan for
an immediate attack on France. Naturally the generals went into apoplexy.
Germany was in no position to invade France in October, 1939. She still had
1.5 million troops in Poland. The only thing that stopped Hitler from invading
France in the Fall of 1939 was the weather. Had the weather cooperated,
Germany would have stumbled into France, woefully unprepared.

If one needs another example of the contradiction between goals and actions,
one need only look at Hitler's actions vis-a-vis the British at Dunkirk.
General Manstein vehemently opposed Hitler's orders to halt short of the
Dunkirk beaches. In short, why did Hitler let the Brits get away? He had them
in the palm of his hands and he knew it. At least Manstein knew it.

The third and most catostrophic case of goals not meeting with actions is
Hitler's invasion of Russia. Germany could have defeated Russia if she had
concentrated her forces on Moscow and Lenningrad, however, Hitler weakened his
central front in order to capture the wheatfields of Ukraine. Any moron knows
that if you invade a country the first goal is to capture the capital, thereby
paralyzing the administrative structure and achieving a great psychological
vctory.

These things only fail to make sense if you look at them from the historically inaccurate and revisionist perspective that Hitler was a nationalist bent on expanding Germany's borders.

He wasn't. His order to burn Germany to the ground at the war's end should suggest as much. He was simply a madman who liked war and wanted lots of it, not as the means, but as the end in itself. Looked at in this way his decisions take on a warped consistency. He let the British escape at Dunkirk so they could fight another day. He conquered the Ukrainians rather than allying with them because he preferred social relations based on domination. And he declared war on the U.S. because he wanted a world war götterdämmerung.

He was, in other words, just insane.

Psychopathy and narciccism are clinicly the same thing

"Psychopathy" is a generalized term that has no exact place in psychology but which is most commonly used to refer to people with antisocial personality disorder. Narcissism is a personality trait, which in its most extreme form is characterized by narcissistic personality disorder. They are two wholly different concepts.

I think hitler was damaged from the hardships after WWI and it eventually drove him an many other Germans to do terrible things.

This comes closer than anything else to basically explaining the problem. Having been primed by the Marxist notion of progress only through conflict and violence, brutalized by the atrocities of WWI, and warped by the unique conditions of his childhood, he just snapped.

Sort of a "Fuck it, I will kill everyone in the world!" thought that everyone gets from time to time. Only he apparently never got over it and somehow finagled himself into a position to act on it.

purify races (must be done for the sake of humanity progressing)

Last I heard racial interbreeding improved genetic stock by increasing both races' immunities to diseases, each developed by the circumstances of their evolutions in vastly different climates.

slaughtering those who lacked the neccesity's to make decent contributions to society unify the world

And again, last I heard, Jews have made pretty strong contributions to western civilization, both in terms of economics and academics.

Not sick but sure as hell I am a white supremecist , white nationalist and a racist.

You don't seem very bothered by the fact that Hitler was pretty shitty as far as white supremacy standards go. I mean he took as allies the four groups of people in whom the casual eye detects some of the greatest deviations from the Aryan ideal: Spaniards, Italians, Arabs, and Japanese.

His "racism" was just a mouthful of insincere platitudes meant to mold the goals of the Nazi regime to those of the established (racist) powers of the time, so as to ease their integration once he had conquered them. He didn't genuinely believe them. You're a tool if you think he did.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:16
Inferior due to evolution

So,since the dawn of humanity,people in Africa have not evolved at all???
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:18
I think you are a kid who likes to be the odd man out. Maybe you were beat up by a black kid. Maybe you have a small penis and an acne problem. You feel inferior and are attracted to the idea of a Master Race. If you can't be superior individually, maybe you can be part of a superior group. You gain confidence by repulsing people and having a Grand Idea shields others from seeing your own insecurities. There is no way anybody will get anywhere with you through discussion and if you ever want to be happy, you'd do well to face yourself and see a therapist.

If you mean being the odd one out by being a indivigual then yes , I haven't ever been beaten up yet so a black couldn't of done it. I don't have a acne problem and I definatly don't have a small penis. I am happy thanks and why would I go to a therapist . How can I gain confidence by repulsing people? by doing that you just achieve snobbiness , and what would I have to be insecure about? I am perfectly fine with myself
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:19
Darwin said survival of the fittest yes? well the african peoples has trouble staying alive , it is only due to the fact they seem to have high sex drives that they survive that have massive birth rates and yet sexual intercourse spreads most diesease and the strong have stopped to help the weak (africans) and look at how all the developing countries are fairing when they are wasting there time on a lost cause.

:confused: Didn't the Nazis slaughtered people of your kind? You know, retarded?
Onabanestan
30-12-2006, 23:19
Darwin said survival of the fittest yes? well the african peoples has trouble staying alive , it is only due to the fact they seem to have high sex drives that they survive that have massive birth rates and yet sexual intercourse spreads most diesease and the strong have stopped to help the weak (africans) and look at how all the developing countries are fairing when they are wasting there time on a lost cause.


I thought viruses and bacterium spread most disease. Don't tell me you're an abstinence guy as well. I don't think Africans have had trouble staying alive, they're still here. Perhaps that is a sign of genetic superiourity?

I think that developing countries are faring rather well, seeing as they're developing.
CthulhuFhtagn
30-12-2006, 23:21
Genetics have proved that

Actually, genetics proved that there is no such thing as race in regards to humanity. For both the scientific and nonscientific definitions of race. Try again, Beavis.
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:21
If you mean being the odd one out by being a indivigual then yes , I haven't ever been beaten up yet so a black couldn't of done it. I don't have a acne problem and I definatly don't have a small penis. I am happy thanks and why would I go to a therapist . How can I gain confidence by repulsing people? by doing that you just achieve snobbiness , and what would I have to be insecure about? I am perfectly fine with myself

If you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For your friendship to end

Be it your sister, be it your brother
Be it your cousin, or your uncle, or your lover

If you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For your friendship to end

Be it your best friend, or any other
Is it your husband, or your father, or your mother

Either change their views
Or change your friends

If you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For your friendship to end

So if you know a racist who thinks he is your friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For your friendship to end

Call yourself my friend
Now is the time to make up your mind
Don't try to pretend

Be it your sister, be it your brother
Be it your cousin, or your uncle, or your lover

So if you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time
For our friendship to end
CthulhuFhtagn
30-12-2006, 23:21
:confused: Didn't the Nazis slaughtered people of your kind? You know, retarded?

I rarely say this, but OWNED.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:23
I rarely say this, but OWNED.

:D
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:24
:confused: Didn't the Nazis slaughtered people of your kind? You know, retarded?

yes the retarded are weaker therefore they cannot be allowed to reproduce , and the developing countries are faring well because there is now contraception annd much of populace have no education so they now little about how dangerous unprotected sex is. In developing countries , in modern times they seem to have the worst people leading them , they do not fair well since there leaders work only for there own gain and leaving the rest to die or work in slavery to them . corruption is a major problem in developing countries so do you think that is superior? they're still here because of what they don't know.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:26
I rarely say this, but OWNED.

hardly "owned" it is a neccesity to slaughter the retarded and those with genetic disabilities. I am not one of "them" I am not "retarded" or "genetically disabled".
so I guess your "gutted" for thinking that.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:27
yes the retarded are weaker therefore they cannot be allowed to reproduce , and the developing countries are faring well because there is now contraception annd much of populace have no education so they now little about how dangerous unprotected sex is. In developing countries , in modern times they seem to have the worst people leading them , they do not fair well since there leaders work only for there own gain and leaving the rest to die or work in slavery to them . corruption is a major problem in developing countries so do you think that is superior? they're still here because of what they don't know.

:eek: You admit that you should be dead then. I was just checking :p
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:28
:eek: You admit that you should be dead then. I was just checking :p

what makes you think that I think I should be dead?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:29
yes the retarded are weaker therefore they cannot be allowed to reproduce , and the developing countries are faring well because there is now contraception annd much of populace have no education so they now little about how dangerous unprotected sex is. In developing countries , in modern times they seem to have the worst people leading them , they do not fair well since there leaders work only for there own gain and leaving the rest to die or work in slavery to them . corruption is a major problem in developing countries so do you think that is superior? they're still here because of what they don't know.

But surely that shows,even through all the hardship and toil and corruption,THEY manage to survive?Wow!You proved yourself wrong.Way to go,hotshot.
I'm betting you live a nice cushy lifestyle in a reasonably sized house,comfy bed,perhaps a nice neighbourhood,maybe a pet.Comfy little life,not too shabby.I bet you don't even spare a thought for those in developing countries-except of course,when you're devising new ways to kill them.They live lives you couldn't possibly live-you wouldn't last a week.And YOU are the strong?Please.
You lose.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:29
what makes you think that I think I should be dead?

a little slow arn't we.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:30
what makes you think that I think I should be dead?

He's playing on the fact that he called you retarded.Evidently you're not overfurnished in the brain department.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:31
Because Caliguan empire never responded to my post, I thought I would post it again. And i shall continue untill he responds:

Inferior how? Physical fitness is certainly not inferior in black people. But I guess you are talking about intelligence? Why would that be different? You're brain does not evolve differently depending on where you live, or what your physical body looks like, it would evolve at the same rate wherever you live.

The only reason why africans may seem intellictually inferior to simple minded people is because they are poorer, and deprived of education.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:31
hardly "owned" it is a neccesity to slaughter the retarded and those with genetic disabilities. I am not one of "them" I am not "retarded" or "genetically disabled".
so I guess your "gutted" for thinking that.

You are right, it's demeaning for the retarded for you to be considered one of "them". You cannot even spell and I assume English is your first language. English is my secong language and I'm afraid I can spell better than you. What's shocking here is that I'm Jewish by birth so technically you should be smarter than me.
Onabanestan
30-12-2006, 23:31
yes the retarded are weaker therefore they cannot be allowed to reproduce , and the developing countries are faring well because there is now contraception annd much of populace have no education so they now little about how dangerous unprotected sex is. In developing countries , in modern times they seem to have the worst people leading them , they do not fair well since there leaders work only for there own gain and leaving the rest to die or work in slavery to them . corruption is a major problem in developing countries so do you think that is superior? they're still here because of what they don't know.

Isn't this what you'd like to shoot for? The "superiour" leader using the worse for his own gain, in order to advance himself?
CthulhuFhtagn
30-12-2006, 23:32
hardly "owned" it is a neccesity to slaughter the retarded and those with genetic disabilities. I am not one of "them" I am not "retarded" or "genetically disabled".
so I guess your "gutted" for thinking that.

You're white. That's a genetic disability. It raises one's chance of getting skin cancer.
Nomanslanda
30-12-2006, 23:32
merely ignorant.

he was not insane... insane people do not get into power... at best they get deluded after gaining power and are called insane.

and he wasn't as arrogant as people think.. he always had the impression that he had the upper hand (and it's not just blind fatih in his master race, but what everyone around him told him to get more influence with him and therefore more political power). not one general told him out straight with a well presented argument backed by good intel that he couldn't win the war, no matter how far he expanded it, because they thought they would be sacked (black-bagged, deadened, on a trip to work-camps etc.)

the only sign of arrongance was in assuming the role of minister of war in 1938, but that was a political move to prevent goering from that role while also appeasing him. now if his chiefs of staff would have presented a nice report in which they said: "you may go ahead and conquer anything you want but stay the fuck away from russia and the US until you are done with the rest of the world" there is no indication he would not have listened... after all the army was about the only institution with political power in the reich that wasn't completly under the control of the nazi party.
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:34
You are right, it's demeaning for the retarded for you to be considered one of "them". You cannot even spell and I assume English is your first language. English is my secong language and I'm afraid I can spell better than you. What's shocking here is that I'm Jewish by birth so technically you should be smarter than me.

You fail to notice that he is so intelligent that he has gone beyond spelling. He belongs to a class of intelligence that finds correct spelling to be a charmingly quaint feature of the lower classes.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:35
But surely that shows,even through all the hardship and toil and corruption,THEY manage to survive?Wow!You proved yourself wrong.Way to go,hotshot.
I'm betting you live a nice cushy lifestyle in a reasonably sized house,comfy bed,perhaps a nice neighbourhood,maybe a pet.Comfy little life,not too shabby.I bet you don't even spare a thought for those in developing countries-except of course,when you're devising new ways to kill them.They live lives you couldn't possibly live-you wouldn't last a week.And YOU are the strong?Please.
You lose.


They don't survive though , those who live long enought to reproduce waste no time in doing so , and in doing so maney contract diseases , most of there infants die out or do not live paste childhood but it is the sheer magnitude on the scale that they reproduce that there population gains , and ofcourse maney form other contients and countries have aided them. There death rate is slightly smaller than the birthrate and maney of them don't live threw those hardships. My hosue is decently sized , I don't know my neighbours although some of them are asian (:headbang:) my pets died nearly a year ago I have spared thought for them but not a thought of sorrow or a want to help them , I don't waste my time like that and I needn't wast my emotions on them. I probably could live a life like theres although if you take away my common sense , my initiative and my education I would rpobably die.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:36
You fail to notice that he is so intelligent that he has gone beyond spelling. He belongs to a class of intelligence that finds correct spelling to be a charmingly quaint feature of the lower classes.

I'm trying to put it into terms he might understand, because evidently he doesn't understand what is wrong with Nazism.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:36
You fail to notice that he is so intelligent that he has gone beyond spelling. He belongs to a class of intelligence that finds correct spelling to be a charmingly quaint feature of the lower classes.

I can spell I am just typing fast since all of you seem quiet content in sending multiple posts per minute.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:37
You fail to notice that he is so intelligent that he has gone beyond spelling. He belongs to a class of intelligence that finds correct spelling to be a charmingly quaint feature of the lower classes.

Not only that,but grammar is for losers.I mean,honestly,who uses punctuation anymore?
Tirindor
30-12-2006, 23:37
And another brilliant post of mine goes ignored. :(
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:37
I can spell I am just typing fast since all of you seem quiet content in sending multiple posts per minute.

We're all typing fast as well.
Wait...I can type better than you?
Does that mean I'm superiour?Suppose I'll just have to shoot you then.Oh,no,wait,that would be idiotic!
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:38
Isn't this what you'd like to shoot for? The "superiour" leader using the worse for his own gain, in order to advance himself?

No I would not do it for my gain but for those of my race
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:38
I can spell I am just typing fast since all of you seem quiet content in sending multiple posts per minute.

Sure you can, sugar puff.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:38
I can spell I am just typing fast since all of you seem quiet content in sending multiple posts per minute.

boo hoo:rolleyes:
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:38
They don't survive though , those who live long enought to reproduce waste no time in doing so , and in doing so maney contract diseases , most of there infants die out or do not live paste childhood but it is the sheer magnitude on the scale that they reproduce that there population gains , and ofcourse maney form other contients and countries have aided them. There death rate is slightly smaller than the birthrate and maney of them don't live threw those hardships. My hosue is decently sized , I don't know my neighbours although some of them are asian (:headbang:) my pets died nearly a year ago I have spared thought for them but not a thought of sorrow or a want to help them , I don't waste my time like that and I needn't wast my emotions on them. I probably could live a life like theres although if you take away my common sense , my initiative and my education I would rpobably die.

The only reason they reproduce loads is to increase the work force to provide food. The reason they are poor has nothing to do with their physical or mental state, it has to do with a number of things including the climate, their corrupt governments, and our governments.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:38
And another brilliant post of mine goes ignored. :(

Do not worry son.One day it will happen.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:39
Sure you can, sugar puff.

I can but if you don't think I can then ok , I am not here to change peoples mind.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:39
I can but if you don't think I can then ok , I am not here to change peoples mind.

No,only disturb them.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:40
No I would not do it for my gain but for those of my race

Wow you must be such a great guy! Always putting others before you. You are a sweatheart sir.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:40
And another brilliant post of mine goes ignored. :(

Everyone keeps on sending messages I cannot answer all of them if I am not given the chance.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:40
Not only that,but grammar is for losers.I mean,honestly,who uses punctuation anymore?

I'm not being a twat, but now that you have mentioned it, it's kind of annoying when you don't put spaces after your commers and full stops.
Ydmos
30-12-2006, 23:40
How might we view Hitler differently if the Holocaust hadn't been a part of WWII?

No flames, please -- I'm not denying the Holocaust, nor am I defending Hitler. I'm just wondering how the world might see him differently. Was Napoleon insane? Caesar? Would Hitler still be a monster without the Holocaust, or just another two bit despot seeking conquest?
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:41
I can but if you don't think I can then ok , I am not here to change peoples mind.

It shows, apple bottom.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:41
No,only disturb them.

I posted my views on hitler and everyone decided that they would question me otherwise they could just ignore what I said and actually talk about the topic on this thread.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:42
I'm not being a twat, but now that you have mentioned it, it's kind of annoying when you don't put spaces after your commers and full stops.

Really?How so?I know it pisses the fuck out of MS Word,but I never really saw it as grammatically incorrect.Be nice if someone explained to me why it was.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:42
I posted my views on hitler and everyone decided that they would question me otherwise they could just ignore what I said and actually talk about the topic on this thread.

Please can you respond to my post: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12151352&postcount=134
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:43
Wow you must be such a great guy! Always putting others before you. You are a sweatheart sir.

Not always only when it is some one of my race .
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:43
Really?How so?I know it pisses the fuck out of MS Word,but I never really saw it as grammatically incorrect.Be nice if someone explained to me why it was.

It just is.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:44
I posted my views on hitler and everyone decided that they would question me otherwise they could just ignore what I said and actually talk about the topic on this thread.

Well you sort of hijacked the thread when you began talking about depriving people of oxygen,and slitting people's throats and "letting the bastards bleed to death."
Desperate Measures
30-12-2006, 23:44
Really?How so?I know it pisses the fuck out of MS Word,but I never really saw it as grammatically incorrect.Be nice if someone explained to me why it was.

Easier on the eyes.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:45
It just is.

Fair enough,each to their own.I've spent most of my life doing it this way,however,and would be kinda difficult to stop.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:46
The only reason they reproduce loads is to increase the work force to provide food. The reason they are poor has nothing to do with their physical or mental state, it has to do with a number of things including the climate, their corrupt governments, and our governments.

I doubt they did it because of that , Africa needs to have population control since it is out of control and to stop starvation they must stop the population growing uncontrollably but to but at a manageble rate so they can finally get things like that under control. There corrupt goverments can be changed but they lakc the will to stand up or make a change because of the personnaly repocussions . If Africa is the cradle of life then the climate should not be to much of a hassle since others have survived well in jungles , plains and soem ahve even mastered living in deserts.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:46
Fair enough,each to their own.I've spent most of my life doing it this way,however,and would be kinda difficult to stop.

Well, I wouldn't suggest doing any essays, formal letters or other important documents like that at all.
CthulhuFhtagn
30-12-2006, 23:47
Aw, he didn't respond to my post about how being white is a genetic disability.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:48
Not always only when it is some one of my race .

No shit
Bartonstein
30-12-2006, 23:48
It's wrong because the MLA says it is, they are the gods of grammar and must be worshiped under penalty of stuff....
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:49
Well, I wouldn't suggest doing any essays, formal letters or other important documents like that at all.

Oh no I change on Word because the little red squiggles annoy me. But that's about it.




See,I did it then! :p
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:49
I doubt they did it because of that , Africa needs to have population control since it is out of control and to stop starvation they must stop the population growing uncontrollably but to but at a manageble rate so they can finally get things like that under control. There corrupt goverments can be changed but they lakc the will to stand up or make a change because of the personnaly repocussions . If Africa is the cradle of life then the climate should not be to much of a hassle since others have survived well in jungles , plains and soem ahve even mastered living in deserts.

Do you think each individual african peasent cares, or even realizes the situation of population control. They don't because they are deprived of education.

They are too poor and weak to stand up and fight their governments, and thats only because of their living conditions not because they "evolved that way".
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:49
Well you sort of hijacked the thread when you began talking about depriving people of oxygen,and slitting people's throats and "letting the bastards bleed to death."

I only mentioned depriving people of oxygen and draining peoples blood because I was being questioned.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:49
Aw, he didn't respond to my post about how being white is a genetic disability.

He responds to posts to which he can sort of salvage a small argument.He ignores the rest that pwn him.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:50
Oh no I change on Word because the little red squiggles annoy me. But that's about it.




See,I did it then! :p

Infact i'll take it one step further, if you want to make sure you don't look the least bit noobish on these threads as well, you should put spaces after as well.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:50
I only mentioned depriving people of oxygen and draining peoples blood because I was being questioned.

If you look at your posts,back on page 4,you can quite clearly see that,when responding to Arrkendommer,you said you would do those things.The first one,because it was "cheap and effective."
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:50
Do you think each individual african peasent cares, or even realizes the situation of population control. They don't because they are deprived of education.

They are too poor and weak to stand up and fight their governments, and thats only because of their living conditions not because they "evolved that way".

They are not to weak , they just think they are . All threw history theres been rebellions by the weak against the strong.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:52
Infact i'll take it one step further, if you want to make sure you don't look the least bit noobish on these threads as well, you should put spaces after as well.

I like to think we all have a bit of n00b inside us.


Just the spelling mind,not the mindless moronic generalisations and annoying smilies.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:52
I doubt they did it because of that , Africa needs to have population control since it is out of control and to stop starvation they must stop the population growing uncontrollably

I bet Africa needs to have pop. control so it'll be easier for you and your fellow Nazis to exterminate them ASAP.
Bartonstein
30-12-2006, 23:52
You also shouldn't start sentences with but, and put commas after things like In fact.
Hydesland
30-12-2006, 23:52
They are not to weak , they just think they are . All threw history theres been rebellions by the weak against the strong.

In that context, the term week is merely revering to the poor. In this case however, they are far too physically skinny and diseased to stand up, thanks to their living conditions.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:53
If you look at your posts,back on page 4,you can quite clearly see that,when responding to Arrkendommer,you said you would do those things.The first one,because it was "cheap and effective."

Well I would use cheaper and more effective ways then gassing as arrkdommer said He/She wouldn't like to be gassed and now it comes to it I have another idea at killing them of Gladiatory combat , let them fight amongst themselfs untill they are to mutilated to live.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:53
I like to think we all have a bit of n00b inside us.


Just the spelling mind,not the mindless moronic generalisations and annoying smilies.

People take it outside please! We have a Nazi to defeat. Allies, join forces!
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:54
Aw, he didn't respond to my post about how being white is a genetic disability.

Wheres the evidence that being white means your more likely to get skin cancer?
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:56
Well I would use cheaper and more effective ways then gassing as arrkdommer said He/She wouldn't like to be gassed and now it comes to it I have another idea at killing them of Gladiatory combat , let them fight amongst themselfs untill they are to mutilated to live.

You're sick.
Onabanestan
30-12-2006, 23:56
Wheres the evidence that being white means your more likely to get skin cancer?

The pile of white people who died from skin cancer that I have in my backyard.
Isralandia
30-12-2006, 23:56
Wheres the evidence that being white means your more likely to get skin cancer?

Science, that subject you are so good at.
CthulhuFhtagn
30-12-2006, 23:56
Wheres the evidence that being white means your more likely to get skin cancer?

Less melanin. Melanin protects your genetic material from UV radiation.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:56
He responds to posts to which he can sort of salvage a small argument.He ignores the rest that pwn him.

I am replying to as many as I can but as I have pointed out it is hard with the amount of posts being directed at me.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:57
Less melanin. Melanin protects your genetic material from UV radiation.

Give me some source scientific evidence.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:57
Wheres the evidence that being white means your more likely to get skin cancer?

Various studies.Go check Wiki,they may have it.
Arinola
30-12-2006, 23:58
I am replying to as many as I can but as I have pointed out it is hard with the amount of posts being directed at me.

Perhaps you shouldn't have started up such a storm,eh?
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:58
You're sick.

Oh no , I wouldn't watch or anything , because that would be sick , and look at modern people many watch things that depict things liek that although they are fake.
Caliguan empire
30-12-2006, 23:59
Various studies.Go check Wiki,they may have it.

Give me the link.
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:00
Oh no , I wouldn't watch or anything , because that would be sick , and look at modern people many watch things that depict things liek that although they are fake.

Oh,you wouldn't watch,that makes it perfectly ok.


But you would order the deaths of people by...gladiator combat?You're a twisted man.People watch them because they are fake,exactly,but they would never dream of enacting them in real life.Well,you would of course.
Bartonstein
31-12-2006, 00:01
Dermatology textbooks. Why don't black people get sunburned as easily as white people?
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:01
Give me the link.

I wasn't the one making the claims.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:03
Oh,you wouldn't watch,that makes it perfectly ok.


But you would order the deaths of people by...gladiator combat?You're a twisted man.People watch them because they are fake,exactly,but they would never dream of enacting them in real life.Well,you would of course.

Ehm , I have already pointed out the deprivation of air and blood loss which I would order because gladitorially combat is costly of materials and time , you'd be surprised by how many would actually watch things like , look at history all the gruesome events the public watched.
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:04
Ehm , I have already pointed out the deprivation of air and blood loss which I would order because gladitorially combat is costly of materials and time , you'd be surprised by how many would actually watch things like , look at history all the gruesome events the public watched.

People watched those events 500 years ago.I like to think humanity has come some way since then.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:04
Dermatology textbooks. Why don't black people get sunburned as easily as white people?

I don't have any Dermatology textbooks , I don't befriend black people and I've never asked them whether or not they get sunburns that ofton , especially in britain you find it hard to get sunburnt
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:05
I don't have any Dermatology textbooks , I don't befriend black people and I've never asked them whether or not they get sunburns that ofton , especially in britain you find it hard to get sunburnt

Why not? They're often very friendly.
Bartonstein
31-12-2006, 00:05
Understandable, but still then, how can you oppose a scientific truth?
Onabanestan
31-12-2006, 00:05
People watched those events 500 years ago.I like to think humanity has come some way since then.

I'd watch it. Y'know, I just have a sort of grim fascination with that kind of stuff. Like looking on Ogrish for vids of people getting sniped in the head, y'know?
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:06
People watched those events 500 years ago.I like to think humanity has come some way since then.

What about hangings even until the 19 century peope ewatched that , and even now people want to watch hangings , I am refering to the hanging of sadam hussein. Torturing many people do it , many like to watch it. (I don't like to do it or watch it)
Isralandia
31-12-2006, 00:06
I don't have any Dermatology textbooks , I don't befriend black people and I've never asked them whether or not they get sunburns that ofton , especially in britain you find it hard to get sunburnt

:mad: That's no excuse to be so stupid. It's a well known fact that black people don't get sunburns.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:07
Rant

Caliguan empire can you please responde to this post http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12151447&postcount=166
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:08
Why not? They're often very friendly.

I wouldn't know and have you not being paying attention? I am a racist so I wouldn't try to however I do not neccesarily prejudice race because thats just stupid , There are bound to be perfectly likable blacks , hispanics , asians , jews in the world.
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:08
Caliguan empire can you please responde to this post http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12151447&postcount=166

He won't.
Arinola
31-12-2006, 00:09
I wouldn't know and have you not being paying attention? I am a racist so I wouldn't try to however I do not neccesarily prejudice race because thats just stupid , There are bound to be perfectly likable blacks , hispanics , asians , jews in the world.

You are racist,but do not prejudice race.
Contradict much?
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:09
I wouldn't know and have you not being paying attention? I am a racist so I wouldn't try to however I do not neccesarily prejudice race because thats just stupid , There are bound to be perfectly likable blacks , hispanics , asians , jews in the world.

There is no reason why the amount of decent people would change depending on skin colour or race, at all.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:09
In that context, the term week is merely revering to the poor. In this case however, they are far too physically skinny and diseased to stand up, thanks to their living conditions.

Those are the people I am on about in history they were always the oppressed and poor , especially the slave rebellions.
Isralandia
31-12-2006, 00:10
I wouldn't know and have you not being paying attention? I am a racist so I wouldn't try to however I do not neccesarily prejudice race because thats just stupid , There are bound to be perfectly likable blacks , hispanics , asians , jews in the world.

:confused: Everything in your whole damn argument is 'just stupid'. You say the other races are inferior to yours. Is that not prejudice? You are one goddamn idiot.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:14
Those are the people I am on about in history they were always the oppressed and poor , especially the slave rebellions.

As I said earlier, the slaves were well fed and were fit enough to stand up against the opressors. The poverty stricken africans today are too physically unfit to stand up against them, especially when they have guns and tanks.

Also, I bet there is absolutely no chance you could survive among one of the true hunter gatherer african tribes, you have to be really tough.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:15
:confused: Everything in your whole damn argument is 'just stupid'. You say the other races are inferior to yours. Is that not prejudice? You are one goddamn idiot.

Before you read much more this read my last post , I said there was perfectly like able people that means I am referring to there personality , I am not prejudiced against personality.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:17
As I said earlier, the slaves were well fed and were fit enough to stand up against the opressors. The poverty stricken africans today are too physically unfit to stand up against them, especially when they have guns and tanks.

Also, I bet there is absolutely no chance you could survive among one of the true hunter gatherer african tribes, you have to be really tough.

I would had I been brought up in one of there "hunter gatherer" tribes , I bet poverty stricken africans wouldn't survive in britain with out help. There is the most basic of problems for them i.e language how will they learn it with no help ? no money , how will they get any? A place to live , wihtout money or help from some one else they couldn't.

They would survive in britain if they were helped as I would in a "hunter gatherer" tribe.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:20
I would had I been brought up in one of there "hunter gatherer" tribes , I bet poverty stricken africans wouldn't survive in britain with out help. There is the most basic of problems for them i.e language how will they learn it with no help ? no money , how will they get any? A place to live , wihtout money or help from some one else they couldn't.

They would survive in britain if they were helped as I would in a "hunter gatherer" tribe.

But you agree to my other point, which makes your original argument about afriancs being inferior void. I win.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:20
As I said earlier, the slaves were well fed and were fit enough to stand up against the opressors. The poverty stricken africans today are too physically unfit to stand up against them, especially when they have guns and tanks.

Also, I bet there is absolutely no chance you could survive among one of the true hunter gatherer african tribes, you have to be really tough.

The slaves were poorly fed and the owners rarely bothered to keep them healthy sicne they were cheap and in well supply , some nations in africa are as developed as britain but still have poverty stricken lower classes. The africans ahve only to be resourcefull to beat there opressers.
Onabanestan
31-12-2006, 00:21
I would had I been brought up in one of there "hunter gatherer" tribes , I bet poverty stricken africans wouldn't survive in britain with out help. There is the most basic of problems for them i.e language how will they learn it with no help ? no money , how will they get any? A place to live , wihtout money or help from some one else they couldn't.

They would survive in britain if they were helped as I would in a "hunter gatherer" tribe.

So, you're saying... wait, so you and the African nomad guy have the possibility of being equal? Oh, okay. I agree with you then. :p
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:22
But you agree to my other point, which makes your original argument about afriancs being inferior void. I win.

It does not , you do not win , as I have pointed out look at how poorly they are fairing to nature when europeans mastered it and built great civilisations while africa was still struggling to gain even the most basic commodities and neccesities of life.
Caliguan empire
31-12-2006, 00:25
I have to go now , but don't worry I'll be online tommorrow.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:25
The slaves were poorly fed and the owners rarely bothered to keep them healthy sicne they were cheap and in well supply , some nations in africa are as developed as britain but still have poverty stricken lower classes. The africans ahve only to be resourcefull to beat there opressers.

The slaves were well fed, otherwise they wouldn't be sufficient workers.

As for the developed african nations being opresed, they are rebelling, there are many civil wars happening already.

As for the un developed ones, they have no money to afford weapons, they are to physically too week to fight, and have no morale because of their endless suffering.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:27
It does not , you do not win , as I have pointed out look at how poorly they are fairing to nature when europeans mastered it and built great civilisations while africa was still struggling to gain even the most basic commodities and neccesities of life.

The african tribes were completely fine, they did not need to reck nature by building huge buildings over everything, nature was their home.

That was untill the western nations came and fucked everything up.
Isralandia
31-12-2006, 00:29
I have to go now , but don't worry I'll be online tommorrow.

:rolleyes: Thanks. I was worried there for a sec.
Hydesland
31-12-2006, 00:34
So who won, me or t3h n4zi? Be honest :p
Isralandia
31-12-2006, 00:36
So who won, me or t3h n4zi? Be honest :p

The Allies :p
CthulhuFhtagn
31-12-2006, 00:38
So, you're saying... wait, so you and the African nomad guy have the possibility of being equal? Oh, okay. I agree with you then. :p

Of course he and the African nomad guy have the possibility of being equal. All the nomad needs is an icepick to the prefrontal lobes.
The Pictish Revival
31-12-2006, 00:38
:rolleyes: Thanks. I was worried there for a sec.

Good comeback.

Don't you just hate these whingeing semi-literate muppets who, for some unguessable reason, think they represent some kind of super-race?
Itoruntian squirrels
31-12-2006, 00:39
The african tribes were completely fine, they did not need to reck nature by building huge buildings over everything, nature was their home.

That was untill the western nations came and fucked everything up.

The world is spherecal so there is no western nations unless you are reffering to the europeans who are north wester except for estern europe or south americans who happen to be directly west of africa?
Isralandia
31-12-2006, 00:43
Good comeback.

Don't you just hate these whingeing semi-literate muppets who, for some unguessable reason, think they represent some kind of super-race?

I sure as hell do. They [Nazis] killed my grandfather's entire family.
Nietland
31-12-2006, 00:43
Here's that evidence for whites having an increased risk of skin cancer:

There is an increased risk of NMSC in whites, especially those who have blue eyes, a fair complexion, sunburn easily, suntan poorly, freckle with sun exposure, have red, blond, or light-brown hair (Celtic ancestry). NMSC is uncommon in blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. There is a higher incidence of BCC in Albino blacks than in normally pigmented blacks. Compared with whites, blacks have a decreased risk of BCC on sun-exposed areas, but the same incidence of BCC on covered skin. In contrast to whites, sunlight does not appear to be an important etiologic factor for SCC in blacks because lesions occur on non-sun-exposed regions of the body. SCC in blacks arise most often on sites of preexisting inflammatory skin conditions, burn injuries, or trauma. SCC in blacks are often seen in scars, burns, or ulcers.

Source: http://skincancer.dermis.net/content/e04typesof/e148/e149/index_eng.html

I'm sure you'll come up with some ridiculous Hitler is waiting on the moon to attack earth-esque arguement, but I thought I'd put this out there.
Neo Undelia
31-12-2006, 00:54
He was always ignorant, arrogant in the beginning and all three near the end.
The Pictish Revival
31-12-2006, 00:54
I sure as hell do. They [Nazis] killed my grandfather's entire family.

Man, that's just dreadful.
And people like this petty minded creep haven't even got the wit to figure out that institutionalised evil might not be the way to make the world a better place.
Bertoffski
31-12-2006, 01:56
I'm not sure where this thread got off track, or if it's ever getting back on again, but I guess I might as well argue my point of view, since the idea of Nazism has been bothering me lately.

First off, I don't think Caliguan Empire is a troll; he has obviously been extremely patient and controlled, but his methods of circular, step-by-step arguing don't seem particularly distinguishable from his opponents'.

I guess I should start with my humble recollection of the history of Nazism. (I am not being sarcastic with the word "humble"; I just prefer not to overestimate myself.) It actually dates back quite far; the first human civilization began in Mesopotamia, located in the Middle East. All other tribes were, at that point, still nomads.

A common argument against racism directed against those of African origin is that Africa has no native agriculturally sustainable crops or domestic livestock, and that its people were therefore incabable of building liveable cities as opposed to small villages.

This brings me back to Sumeria, the first civilation. Assuming, for a moment, that Caliguan Empire's most likely counterargument, that an inhospitable environment will magically alter a given race's genes, is correct, this first civilization (As defined by culture, traditions, religion, certain levels of advancement in architecture and technology, the presence of a clear government-esque authority, etc.) would logically be the 'superior' (undefined) one by far. Now, assuming that Caliguan Empire hasn't changed his logical/emotional/chemical course by now, he will most likely lay claim to this obvious "master race" as the progenitor of modern Europeans.

However, these ancestors already existed at the time, (roughly 4000 B.C.) and were not, in fact, part of a civilization with any culture, relgion, buildings, or empirical government. In fact, they had not even reached the level of development that the Africans, in their far more inhospitable environment, had; i.e., they had yet to create villages. They were, admittedly, very effective at warfare, and quickly decimated the Sumerians, who were more focused on making themselves a better people than destroying each other.

The Aryans, whose only belief whatsoever was, essentially, that they were better than everyone else, were quickly impressed by the culture of the Sumerians that they had conquered, and soon adopted it as their own, abandoning their hollow narcissistic beliefs to be rediscovered later, fragmented and ready to be padded with vague, quasi-emotional notions. If culture is any measure of intelligence, Caliguan Empire will, at this point, see that there is still hope for his argument, and jump on the idea that the Aryans' military conquest of Mesopotamia, along with their adoption of their enemies' clearly superior culture, proves that these early Narcissists were both willing to and capable of self-betterment to a greater degree than other races.

However, the victory of the nomadic Aryans was not only the result of a complete dedication to warfare typical of barbaric tribes, but also happened to be short-lived; the numerous peoples living south of Mesopotamia, opposite the north side through which the Aryans invaded, soon reconquered the land, adopting once again the culture of the original Sumerians. Aryanism became yet another tribal tradition, to be passed down for generations by European tribes that any good Eugenicist would describe as "barbaric."

At this point I must skip forward a few millenia, as much of Nazi sentiment that would later stem from the intermediary era(s) was based mostly on Christian Catholic sentiment against the Jewish people, which, in turn, is an age-old bias and part of an area in history that I don't particularly want to get into, despite Martin Luther being a very likeable person in my opinion.

This brings us to the early 19th century, when Nazism's 'scientific' basis originated. (Its 'emotional' basis was, ironically, medieval Christianity, which I am far less skeptical of, though I consider myself an agnostic.) Eugenics was a pseudo-science practiced primarily in two places: Europe and the United States. Unlike Nazism, this was an ideology that was considered socially acceptable by almost every culture at the time and was at least somewhat palatable even to those who it essentially discriminated against. The basic premise of Eugenics is that all human traits are determined by genetics (Which would later turn out to be scientifically inaccurate) and that the human race could be greatly improved if those with good genes were encouraged to have more children than those with worse genes. Despite global racism as a virtual constant at the time, Eugenics was based originally on genes, not race. Not only that, but rather than encouraging 'greater' families to destroy 'lesser' families, (If anyone understands that, please explain it to me) it encouraged them to outdo them, and suggested that those with less than desirable genes avoid having children, that they might better humanity as a whole. Surprisingly, as I have mentioned before, the notion went down very well.

One of the most interesting things about the Eugenics movement was that rather than defining "good" genes based on the Darwinian ideal of "survival of the fittest," it claimed that a "genetic group" (This sort of terminology is why race eventually came into the picture) could contribute best to society if it contained a low percentage of criminals. (Don't people often turn to crime because they are forced to in order to "make a living?")

Despite the racism that slowly crept into Eugenic practices and its pro-European bias, nobody at the time was clear-minded or magnanimous enough to realize that its basic premise was evil in nature or that the evidence supporting it as a theory was half based on vague emotional expressions made by 'intellectuals' who were completely incapable of examing their own arguments critically in order to become more objective.

Rather, it would be the Nazis who, ironically, steered people away from Eugenics by reversing one of its most basic ideals: rather than furthering the "master race," it would be assumed based on studies made entirely by those within the party and, yet again, involving vague and ultimately meaningless emotional terms, that the master race was more or less perfect, and that the lesser races would have to go.

Didn't eugenics state that law-abiding citizens contributed best to society? Didn't it assume that American Democracy is ethically sound in its basic premises? Didn't it then imply that morality was part of good genes? By this definition, the Nazis, descended from some of the last people on Earth to civilize themselves, were far from perfect. Without any nationalist bias, (Another matter entirely, and quite boring due to its usage of yet more vague 'emotions') it would appear that Middle Easterners were, in fact, the master race, despite what the British would have you believe after they had conqured India, and despite an unbiased scientific study (Finally!) proving that a Jewish race, was, in fact, the most intelligent among all the races on Earth.

At this point, many of you may wonder about my personal biases. Well, my main emotional reaction to Nazism is one of fear and sadness, though certainly not anger or hatred. Recently, I have often wondered whether my Japanese, also called Asian, also called Mongoloid ancestry was preventing me from reaching a higher state of being than I was capable of. Well, according to Caliguan Empire, it's not something to worry too much about, as he claims that those of Asian descent are more "white" than other races. He doesn't seem to have much bias towards this group, and I honestly have to wonder if, like me, is part Asian, and, unlike me, is willing to completely reject the idea that his perfect form contains lesser genes. After all, Hitler was a quarter Jewish, and would never admit it.

I know that I've rambled a lot, but I've finally gotten to the real science, which I remember about as well as the real history lesson that I gave earlier. (In my defence, any mistakes I make are the result of a poor memory, not deliberate and self-serving attemps to contort the truth) Firstly, Eugenics' most inconvertible bit of evidence is that 50 percent of the gene pool is devoted to the brain. Not only that, but 40 percent of the brain's development is based on genetics. (50 percent of its development is based on environment, and 10 percent is something else that I admit to forgetting.) Of course, that 50 percent of environment-based development is ignored completely by Nazism, much as the 40 percent based on genetics is dismissed by modern mainstream society. (i.e., "You decide what you are, not your parents!"...Every time I hear that, I die a little more...) It would seem that this ratio is most likely a truth that society has somehow forgotten to conceal, much like the aforementioned study concerning Earth's most intelligent race, and, logically, is more likely true than not. One can't help but notice a simple fact: Fifty is a larger number than forty.

That, then, is the result of the battle between science and society: Eugenicists and Nazis dismiss enviromental and social effects on psychological development entirely, whereas the painfully politically correct quickly divert attention from the startling connection between human genetics and the human brain to the sizeable effect of development.

Ultimately, the truth, while not self-evident, is moreso than that all men are created equal, as saddening as that may be. Environment plays a significantly greater role in development than genes, and any "superior" qualities are therefore significantly more attributable to one's environment than one's genes. For example, I could not complete hundred-piece jigsaw puzzles at age two because I am a quarter German, I could complete them at age two because I was given them at age two. For all we know, Europeans could have far inferior genes to those of other races, and have succeeded in creating more powerful civilizations simply because their ancestors leeched off the Mesopotamians. On the other hand, for all we know, the Nazis could have been right through sheer coincidence, which is essentially why mainstream society dismisses Nazism so quickly. Most likley, however, the truth is somewhere inbetween, since each gene does something different, as does each environmental factor. (In fact, environmental factors can easily counteract genes.) Until some earnestly unbiased studies are conducted, the only scientific fact pushing the issue either way is that ratio between the differing effects of nature and nurture on the human brain. 50 percent is environmental, while 40 percent is genetic. (Now that I think about it, I'm almost positive that the other 10 percent was education or something.) This is what the principles of Nazism fail to counter, and why Neo-Nazism can only influence those who are of the "good races" and who are narcissistic and only intelligent within narrow limits, much like the Inner Party members in George Orwell's 1984. (That book is another reason to steer away from Nazism, although it is a bit unfair to Catholics if you ask me.)

Ulimately, I believe that each "race" is slightly different, though nobody has proven how due to the fear held by those truly lacking in bias. (I think there was a law passed in the United States against researching the genes of different races, so that "Jewish people of a certain group are intellectually superior" study must have taken place in... Australia, or something. I'm honestly not very informed about it.) Culture is almost always a reflection of environment, however, as anthropologists will often tell you. I don't think that Caliguan Empire is completely evil or completely wrong; his views are the result of environment and, though it is unlikely, genes. (Who's to say that there isn't a narcissism gene that intereferes with both rational logic and healthy emotions? Furthermore, who's to say that modern medicine is capable of detecting in an individual?) I know that I've forgotten all about Hitler, but if you ask me, he was a very petty individual. "Evil" is a matter of personal experience. I have never spoken with him, as you might imagine, so I can't say for sure.

At best, I will have convinced you all to stop wasting your time on a thread filled with nothing but flaming, patient-looking or otherwise, and enlightened you as to the fact that extremism is very difficult to see when you're surrounded by it. At worst, by compromising, I have estranged both Neo-Nazis and mainstream society, although I have to say that I prefer the latter. (Remember, the people who say that you can be anything you want when you grow up also host fun-runs and whatnot. They're called fun-runs for a reason; running is by nature fun. Therefore, from a larger perspective, I would rather not estrange those in power of the fun.)

Finally, this is my first and last post on this forum. I honestly feel much better now, and I plan on starting my homework now that I've spent half an hour rambling. Bye, everyone!

-Bertoffski
The Pictish Revival
31-12-2006, 10:30
A common argument against racism directed against those of African origin is that Africa has no native agriculturally sustainable crops or domestic livestock, and that its people were therefore incabable of building liveable cities as opposed to small villages.


Africa does have native agriculturally sustainable crops and domestic livestock, and its people could and did build liveable cities.

Your reasoning seems to be built around two assumptions:
A person's intelligence is quantifiable.
A person's value to society is directly related to their intelligence.

Two major problems to overcome before you even start thinking about whether one race/culture is superior to another.
New Ausha
31-12-2006, 10:41
I am not a psychologist and would not claim to judge whether a person is or is
not insane, however one can't help but wonder if Hitler's actions fitted his
stated motives. For example, conventional wisdom says that Hitler intended to
conquer Europe. If that is the case, he did everything possible to prevent
Germany from winning the war. Case in point - immediately after the German
victory over Poland in October, 1939, Hitler ordered his generals to plan for
an immediate attack on France. Naturally the generals went into apoplexy.
Germany was in no position to invade France in October, 1939. She still had
1.5 million troops in Poland. The only thing that stopped Hitler from invading
France in the Fall of 1939 was the weather. Had the weather cooperated,
Germany would have stumbled into France, woefully unprepared.

If one needs another example of the contradiction between goals and actions,
one need only look at Hitler's actions vis-a-vis the British at Dunkirk.
General Manstein vehemently opposed Hitler's orders to halt short of the
Dunkirk beaches. In short, why did Hitler let the Brits get away? He had them
in the palm of his hands and he knew it. At least Manstein knew it.

The third and most catostrophic case of goals not meeting with actions is
Hitler's invasion of Russia. Germany could have defeated Russia if she had
concentrated her forces on Moscow and Lenningrad, however, Hitler weakened his
central front in order to capture the wheatfields of Ukraine. Any moron knows
that if you invade a country the first goal is to capture the capital, thereby
paralyzing the administrative structure and achieving a great psychological
vctory.

Again, it is probably impossible, and unecessary, for us to judge on Hitler's
sanity. All that matters are his actions and motives. If we concentrate on
these, then we can keep our focus where it belongs and, with luck, prevent
another Hitler from returning to Germany.


Hmmm Bob, ill take Crazy, Arrogant, Idiotic, and tiny mustaches for 2000$
UnHoly Smite
31-12-2006, 10:51
Here's that evidence for whites having an increased risk of skin cancer:

There is an increased risk of NMSC in whites, especially those who have blue eyes, a fair complexion, sunburn easily, suntan poorly, freckle with sun exposure, have red, blond, or light-brown hair (Celtic ancestry). NMSC is uncommon in blacks, Asians, and Hispanics. There is a higher incidence of BCC in Albino blacks than in normally pigmented blacks. Compared with whites, blacks have a decreased risk of BCC on sun-exposed areas, but the same incidence of BCC on covered skin. In contrast to whites, sunlight does not appear to be an important etiologic factor for SCC in blacks because lesions occur on non-sun-exposed regions of the body. SCC in blacks arise most often on sites of preexisting inflammatory skin conditions, burn injuries, or trauma. SCC in blacks are often seen in scars, burns, or ulcers.

Source: http://skincancer.dermis.net/content/e04typesof/e148/e149/index_eng.html

I'm sure you'll come up with some ridiculous Hitler is waiting on the moon to attack earth-esque arguement, but I thought I'd put this out there.


So? There are types of stuff that Blacks and asians are more likely to get than whites..whats your point?
Greater Trostia
31-12-2006, 21:44
I'm not sure where this thread got off track, or if it's ever getting back on again, but I guess I might as well argue my point of view, since the idea of Nazism has been bothering me lately.

First off, I don't think Caliguan Empire is a troll; he has obviously been extremely patient and controlled, but his methods of circular, step-by-step arguing don't seem particularly distinguishable from his opponents'.

Oh, right. Because other posters are arguing about how to kill the weak by cutting their throats. Yeah. "patient and controlled," how obvious!

Finally, this is my first and last post on this forum.

Yeah, that's because you're a puppet brought in for support. I guess I'll see you and caliguanempire on Battlemaster...
Seangoli
31-12-2006, 21:57
The weak will remain weak and will hinder the strong they shall drain the strongs effort and resoruces thus ultimately permanently wasting time , resources and shortening the ultimately life span of the strong . The weak will always need help they will never change , if we stop to help them then we would only work to the ultimate demise of humanity.

Hrm.

Question:

What makes your race strong? What makes others weak? What do you define as "race"? How many races are there?

And importantly: How much background do you have in biology, and genetics? Judging by your statements, little to none.
Seangoli
31-12-2006, 21:59
The world is spherecal so there is no western nations unless you are reffering to the europeans who are north wester except for estern europe or south americans who happen to be directly west of africa?

"Western" is an a commonly used term that is used for Europe/Americas. The reason why is largely due to history, as the known world consisted of Europe and Asia, Asia being the East, Europe the West. The term stuck through time, and has been expanded a bit.
Greater Somalia
31-12-2006, 22:16
His demise was being hardheadedness and overconfidence. His last days, his generals actually believed Hitler was insane because he thought the German army (now outstretched, outnumbered, outgunned, and being chased by allied troops) would challenge incoming allied (mostly Russian) armies into Berlin (a hopeless thinking). When he finally comes into realization that Germany was losing, he blames his people, and practically says, they got what they deserved (because in his eyes, Germans have not put up a real resistance).
Lebostrana
31-12-2006, 22:28
Hitler wasn't insane, he was just incredibly racist to jews. He actually wanted to be an artist when he was younger, but the university he applied to didn't let him in because his paintings were crap. I've seen one of them.

It's crap.

Actually, the jews were very unpopular around that time anyway, and Hitler (along with other reasons) basically thought "what the hell" and decided to kill millions of jews.

He made it uncool.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:15
Insane? yeah that's a no brainer
Arrogant? again he tried to conquer all of Europe
Ignorant? yes because the moron should have let his generals run the war