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From what i understand 3 top military officials from the Iranian Army were caught in a raid in Iraq.If this is true can somebody post a link.And if it is true my question is were they there to sight see or planning attacks on American Troops?:sniper: Sorry if this is been posted before.

Honestly, I'm not sure I really care about this much. Especially after knowing that Saudi Arabia has said that they will send in their own troops if Sunnis keep dying. Suuni vs. Shi'a is what this is boiling down to, not that it wasn't about that in the beginnig of the insurgency. US troops are totally out of their depth now, and have been since the fall of Saddam. We need to GTFO

So we leave an unstable country and let the Iranians invade?That means they control vast oil fields and begin to tighten there grip on the Middle East.
Iran is not an Arab country and it has no paticuliar allegiance to any of the Arab states like that really matters anyhow.

Honestly, I'm not sure I really care about this much. Especially after knowing that Saudi Arabia has said that they will send in their own troops if Sunnis keep dying.

Well this'll be great, Iran invades and starts killing Sunnis, Saudi Arabia invades to protect the sunnis... I dont think this whole war is gonna end well...

It is true that we of the US military have captured 3 high ranking Iranian military officials who were inside Iraq planning attacks against US and allied forces.

This was shown on the news a few days back, and posted on here. I'll look for a link.

Found a couple:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/update_detail.asp?id=15073

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=118083

http://english.alarabonline.org/display.asp?fname=2006%5C12%5C12-25%5Czalsoz%5C921.htm&dismode=x&ts=25/12/2006%2009:56:52%20%C3%95

I think you'd be honestly surprised at how pro-american Iran is. The average Iranian actually loves us. Their idiot president doesn't actually run anything, but I'll bet you didn't know that. They hoestly ask us why we hate them so much. The average Iranian citizen has the very same opinion of Ahmadinejad as the average American has of shruby. It's the Saudis who have everyone convinced of how evil Iran is, which is no surprise considering Saudi Arabia is primarily Sunni, and Iran is primarily Shi'a

Thank you for the links...

yw

The funny part is that they were, apparently INVITED to come into Iraq in the first place.

It is true that we of the US military have captured 3 high ranking Iranian military officials who were inside Iraq planning attacks against US and allied forces.

This was shown on the news a few days back, and posted on here. I'll look for a link.

Found a couple:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/update_detail.asp?id=15073

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=118083

http://english.alarabonline.org/display.asp?fname=2006%5C12%5C12-25%5Czalsoz%5C921.htm&dismode=x&ts=25/12/2006%2009:56:52%20%C3%95

from the third link

The U.S. military is holding at least four Iranians in Iraq, including men the Bush administration calls senior military officials, who were seized in raids last week, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

At least two of the Iranians were in Iraq on an invitation extended by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during a visit to Tehran earlier this month.

Over the past four days, the Iraqis and Iranians have engaged in intense behind-the-scenes efforts to secure the release of the remaining detainees, the Times reported.

The Times said it was particularly awkward for the Iraqis that one of the raids took place in the Baghdad compound of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq's most powerful Shi'ite leaders, who traveled to Washington three weeks ago to meet President George W. Bush.


So if the Americans are holding them
does that mean Iraqis and Iranians are trying to
get the Americans to release them or what?

from the third link

The U.S. military is holding at least four Iranians in Iraq, including men the Bush administration calls senior military officials, who were seized in raids last week, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

At least two of the Iranians were in Iraq on an invitation extended by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during a visit to Tehran earlier this month.

Over the past four days, the Iraqis and Iranians have engaged in intense behind-the-scenes efforts to secure the release of the remaining detainees, the Times reported.

The Times said it was particularly awkward for the Iraqis that one of the raids took place in the Baghdad compound of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq's most powerful Shi'ite leaders, who traveled to Washington three weeks ago to meet President George W. Bush.


So if the Americans are holding them
does that mean Iraqis and Iranians are trying to
get the Americans to release them or what?

its a shame that the Iranians would embarrass their hosts by planning attacks while in Iraq on diplomatic invitation to participate in peace talks. But once in Iraq, instead of talking peace, they prepare for war and destruction.

It's not clear at this point what the Iraqis are trying to do. They're not happy with the Iranians though but they can't afford to ignore the Iranians request to have the men freed. After all, Iran runs the insurgency in Iraq. Only Iran can stop the insurgency. The Iranians are certainly trying to get them released.

its a shame that the Iranians would embarrass their hosts by planning attacks while in Iraq on diplomatic invitation to participate in peace talks. But once in Iraq, instead of talking peace, they prepare for war and destruction.


So true a statement .....

I would love to see a least 1/2 our troops come home and the other half put under a joint Israeli -American force based out of Israel

its a shame that the Iranians would embarrass their hosts by planning attacks while in Iraq on diplomatic invitation to participate in peace talks. But once in Iraq, instead of talking peace, they prepare for war and destruction.

How do you honestly know what they were doing??? How can you say with any confidence what was going on in a room you weren't in, between people you've never even met? This sort of BS coming from people who are in no position to know anything (i.e. you) is simply astounding.

its a shame that the Iranians would embarrass their hosts by planning attacks while in Iraq on diplomatic invitation to participate in peace talks. But once in Iraq, instead of talking peace, they prepare for war and destruction.

Actually the only facts we have are that Iranians invited to Iraq by the
president of Iraq have been arrested and detained by the Americans.

The Americans have claimed that someone has told them that these
people were involved in planning attacks.
But out of every country in the world the US has the least credibility
after the events of the last few years, particularly when it comes to Iraq.

Not just the boy who cried wolf but the boy who cried wolf and killed
several sheep to give credibility to his story and got caught doing so.

... After all, Iran runs the insurgency in Iraq. ...

Not what the us military has been saying
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/14/AR2006031401083.html

I feel ill just having looked upon the website but

TEHRAN, Iran — Two Iranian diplomats detained by U.S. troops in Iraq were released early Friday in Baghdad, Iran's state-run television and news agency reported.

The Iranians were in Iraq on the invitation of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, officials have said. Their detention was announced on Monday.

The two were handed over to Iranian officials in the presence of Iraq's National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie, Iran's state-run news agency, IRNA, reported.

Hassan Kazemi Qomi, Iran's ambassador to Baghdad, said the arrest of the two diplomats was against internationally accepted regulations, IRNA said.

"Fortunately with the effort exerted by the Iraqi officials, the U.S. forces, who first denied their arrest, were obliged to admit it and under pressure from the Iraqi government to release them," IRNA quoted Qomi as saying. Iran did not provide any more information about the diplomats and their release.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,239790,00.html

This is way off subject here but i really don't care ...i hate it when other countries say the U.S. should do this and do that and they themselves can't hold a match to the United States.Those countries did'nt have hostages taken for close to a year and did'nt have a compound of Marines blown to bits by a suicide bomber or have a plane blown up and did'nt have 3000 lives lost at one time.We should do whatever we want when we want considering all the attacks that we've endured.

Not what the us military has been saying
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/14/AR2006031401083.html

thanks for the link. I appreciated this clarification:

"Rumsfeld, standing beside Pace, said today it is difficult to ascertain whether the Iranian government is directly involved in sending military equipment and personnel to Iraq.

"As to equipment, unless you physically see it coming in in a government-sponsored vehicle, or with government-sponsored troops, you can't know it" comes from Iran's government, Rumsfeld said. "All you know is that you find equipment -- weapons, explosives, whatever -- in a country that came from the neighboring country.

"With respect to people, it's very difficult to tie a thread precisely to the government of Iran. As we all know, there are pilgrimages where Shi'a come from Iran and around the world to go to holy places in Iraq, and they come by the thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. And so, that is also a difficult" to prove."

I feel ill just having looked upon the website but

TEHRAN, Iran — Two Iranian diplomats detained by U.S. troops in Iraq were released early Friday in Baghdad, Iran's state-run television and news agency reported.

The Iranians were in Iraq on the invitation of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, officials have said. Their detention was announced on Monday.

The two were handed over to Iranian officials in the presence of Iraq's National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie, Iran's state-run news agency, IRNA, reported.

Hassan Kazemi Qomi, Iran's ambassador to Baghdad, said the arrest of the two diplomats was against internationally accepted regulations, IRNA said.

"Fortunately with the effort exerted by the Iraqi officials, the U.S. forces, who first denied their arrest, were obliged to admit it and under pressure from the Iraqi government to release them," IRNA quoted Qomi as saying. Iran did not provide any more information about the diplomats and their release.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,239790,00.html

Thanks for the link. I thought it was the US who said the men had been planning attacks but this clears things up:

"Maryam Rajavi, the head of the National Council of Resistance of Iran — an Iranian opposition group — on Thursday in Brussels, Belgium said two Iranians detained by U.S. forces in Iraq were senior members of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards and allegedly had coordinated attacks against coalition troops and Iraqi civilians"

wasn't it exiled opposition groups that told us that Iraq was still making nukes?

This is way off subject here but i really don't care ...i hate it when other countries say the U.S. should do this and do that and they themselves can't hold a match to the United States.Those countries did'nt have hostages taken for close to a year and did'nt have a compound of Marines blown to bits by a suicide bomber or have a plane blown up and did'nt have 3000 lives lost at one time.We should do whatever we want when we want considering all the attacks that we've endured.

Considering all the attacks you've made, you should expect a lot more.

How many people did the US kill in Vietnam?
How many people died when the US supported the contras.
How many people died under US supported dictators.
How many people died in Iraq in the last 3 years.
How many people died in Afghanistan in the last 5 years.

I could continue listing things for hours but there is no point in me even
listing one of the things above, is there?

You as a person living in the worlds only superpower,
with it's history of causing the overthrow of democracies
and supporting tyrannical dictators for your own selfish purposes
are trying to play victim
which indicates neither reality nor logic will penetrate.

This is way off subject here but i really don't care ...i hate it when other countries say the U.S. should do this and do that and they themselves can't hold a match to the United States.Those countries did'nt have hostages taken for close to a year and did'nt have a compound of Marines blown to bits by a suicide bomber or have a plane blown up and did'nt have 3000 lives lost at one time.We should do whatever we want when we want considering all the attacks that we've endured.

I agree but to be fair to the Europeans, we didn't have our Olympics bombed, we never had our airliners shotdown by Stinger weilding terrorists, we've never had our discos or nightclubs bombed, our subways and railstations have never been bombed either.
The 1986 bombings of Libya, ordered by Reagan, was in response to terrorist attacks on Germany and the UK that were funded and planned by Libya. We've only suffered two cases of Islamic Terrorism in our nation compared to what the Europeans have been through.
You should respect them for that.

Considering all the attacks you've made, you should expect a lot more.

How many people did the US kill in Vietnam?
How many people died when the US supported the contras.
How many people died under US supported dictators.
How many people died in Iraq in the last 3 years.
How many people died in Afghanistan in the last 5 years.

I could continue listing things for hours but there is no point in me even
listing one of the things above, is there?

You as a person living in the worlds only superpower,
with it's history of causing the overthrow of democracies
and supporting tyrannical dictators for your own selfish purposes
are trying to play victim
which indicates neither reality nor logic will penetrate.

Do you know how many dictatorships your own government has supported when it was in your own nation's interest?

thanks for the link. I appreciated this clarification:

"Rumsfeld, standing beside Pace, said today it is difficult to ascertain whether the Iranian government is directly involved in sending military equipment and personnel to Iraq.

"As to equipment, unless you physically see it coming in in a government-sponsored vehicle, or with government-sponsored troops, you can't know it" comes from Iran's government, Rumsfeld said. "All you know is that you find equipment -- weapons, explosives, whatever -- in a country that came from the neighboring country.

"With respect to people, it's very difficult to tie a thread precisely to the government of Iran. As we all know, there are pilgrimages where Shi'a come from Iran and around the world to go to holy places in Iraq, and they come by the thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. And so, that is also a difficult" to prove."

Difficult to prove as in having no evidence at all.
We've been here before with Rumsfeld, many many times.
"Absence of evidence not evidence of absence"
etc etc

Do you know how many dictatorships your own government has supported when it was in your own nation's interest?

Ah so your going with the old
my country may be corrupt barbaric and vicious nation with no more morals than
a sewer rat but it is my contention that other nations are every
bit as bad as we are so its all alright
argument.

Ah so your going with the old
my country may be corrupt barbaric and vicious nation with no more morals than
a sewer rat but it is my contention that other nations are every
bit as bad as we are so its all alright
argument.

LOL. No that's not what I am saying at all. My country supports dictatorships when it thinks its in the best interest of democracy. Though, in the 80's it was more for capitalism than for democracy.
Other nation's don't care about democracy or free markets when they support dictatorships.
Don't forget that the French were also supporting Saddam. But for different reasons than the US did. The US only supported Saddam because Iran was a greater threat to the stability and peace of the middle east.

One cannot not expect Iranians to take care of shia interests. That's what their whole "revolutionary regime" and national ideology is based on.

Iranian agents such as Qods Force have been operating against the US since the 1980s. This is no big surprise.

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My country supports dictatorships when it thinks its in the best interest of democracy.

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LOL. No that's not what I am saying at all. My country supports dictatorships when it thinks its in the best interest of democracy. Though, in the 80's it was more for capitalism than for democracy.
Other nation's don't care about democracy or free markets when they support dictatorships.
Don't forget that the French were also supporting Saddam. But for different reasons than the US did. The US only supported Saddam because Iran was a greater threat to the stability and peace of the middle east.

Best interest off Democracy?
Threat to the stability and peace of the middle east?

Obviously you were not paying attention when the U.S. was selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war!
How did that further Democracy?
How did that create stability in the Middle east?
War is Peace?

The reason we did so is simple and actually the same reason that France supported Saddam.
M-O-N-E-Y

WE installed Saddam as a dictator in Iraq.
We supported him and everyone has seen the picture of Rumsfeld shaking his hand.
I wonder if Rummy is going to miss his old buddy?