Hiroshima...Nagasaki - Page 2
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:12
If that is what you believe, than you are absurd.
You are being absurd.
Nothing stopping us from sending them food. Just could have kept them contained until they were ready to deal with reality.
And prey tell how are you going to keep it out of the hands of the military? And how do you recommend we send them food?
They would have given up eventually.
Not without alot of people dying before they do. How many do you think would die before they have given up?
Were you even alive in WWII? Then what does it matter. You’re not your country and there’s nothing to explain. The Truman administration used the bombs, and you have nothing to do with that
Were you alive in WWII? Then what does it matter?
Blockade the island and send food. There.
We did blockade the island. People were starving because the military was taking their food away. They were training their citizens to kill the allied forces. What part of this is not getting through your head?
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:14
"Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907".
You have a slight problem as this was done via Air and not Land. In reality, this does not apply to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. :D
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:16
So your position is that having the initiative, we should have sat back and allowed, no, helped, Japan to regain her strength by not attacking and giving food aid, without bringing an end to the war? That is effectively what your suggestions would have done...
Sounds like something Hitler did with the RAF. :D
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:25
The first part: We left Japan alone and they attacked us, if we had not sufficiently broken the Japanese people they would have started World War 3 just as the Germans started World War 2 (especially if we had allowed them to surrender with conditions).
We left Japan alone? Hello!!! We issued an embargo when they would not leave China. Why do you think they were going for the oil fields around Indochina which precipitated the Pearl Harbor attack? Everyone knew that a war with Japan was coming Droskianishk. Go and learn some history please.
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:27
I know it didn't have that effect on Tojo, after the emperor gave the news he attempted suicide, failed and managed to kill himself in the hospital (if I'm remembering correctly), but the fact remains that the bombs worked even if it was in a political way.
Tojo was executed.
Allegheny County 2
08-01-2007, 03:30
An estimated (rough given that record keeping from that time is spotty or non-existent) half a million people died the first few years AFTER the war due to poor nutrition, sanitation, and disease. This was WITH American aid and supplies and no bombings to stop transportation.
500,000 people, more than twice the amount killed by the bombs. How much worse would it have been if the US sealed off Japan for years without aid? How many millions may have been killed then? THAT'S why I put it that way. Japan at the end of the war was not a nice place to be. School children were being sent out into the countryside to catch grasshoppers, for something to eat.
A sorry fact I'm afraid :(
Please read the rest of the thread, this has been covered in depth. I'll just say, again, that yes, the Japanese knew they were beaten, but they still would not give up.
that might be asking to much for some people.
The Infinite Dunes
08-01-2007, 03:32
Actually, I'm in the states at the moment, visiting my family in Iowa, where we've had litle snow but lottsa meat. :D
You can do it anyway, as long as the drop isn't too far. (I almost said as long as it's from the 1st floor, but then I've seen some 1st floors with loooonggg drops. ;))http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/7290/towerdr9.png
Is this short enough for you?
Actually, I'm in the states at the moment, visiting my family in Iowa, where we've had litle snow but lottsa meat. :D
Lucky! Nagano is getting reminded right now that it is part of 雪国 (You know it's bad when Tsutaya has to close down due to snow).
And I am about to lose any meat in my dinners. How sad.