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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/26/male.rape.ap/index.html

It's always a good idea to cover your ass. But especially in Baytown, Texas. Especially lately! :eek:

You search for news stories like these, do you? :p

I'm intrigued. I've heard a lot about serial killers who rape their male victims, but never about a male serial rapist.

LG, you never cease to amaze me with your deviancy. :D

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/26/male.rape.ap/index.html

It's always a good idea to cover your ass. But especially in Baytown, Texas. Especially lately! :eek:

SHIT! They found me!

I'm intrigued. I've heard a lot about serial killers who rape their male victims, but never about a male serial rapist.

LG, you never cease to amaze me with your deviancy. :D

Hey, I'll do anything for a laugh! :)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/26/male.rape.ap/index.html

It's always a good idea to cover your ass. But especially in Baytown, Texas. Especially lately! :eek:

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See, serial rapists are the kind of people that make me come close to being violent enough to kill. I say come close, because I don't think I have it in me to kill anyone, and I'd try to avoid it if I could.

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See, serial rapists are the kind of people that make me come close to being violent enough to kill. I say come close, because I don't think I have it in me to kill anyone, and I'd try to avoid it if I could.

You so crazeh!

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See, serial rapists are the kind of people that make me come close to being violent enough to kill. I say come close, because I don't think I have it in me to kill anyone, and I'd try to avoid it if I could.


Hooray, I'm safe then :)

You so crazeh!

...Hmm? No, I'm quite sane. Scientologists, those people are crazy.

...Hmm? No, I'm quite sane. Scientologists, those people are crazy.

That's just the thetans talking. :p

I'm intrigued. I've heard a lot about serial killers who rape their male victims, but never about a male serial rapist.

LG, you never cease to amaze me with your deviancy. :D

Society is becoming increasingly aware of male rape. However, experts believe that current male rape statistics vastly under-represent the actual number of males age 12 and over who are raped each year. Rape crisis counselors estimate that while only one in 50 raped women report the crime to the police, the rates of under-reporting among men are even higher (Brochman, 1991). Until the mid-1980s, most literature discussed this violent crime in the context of women only. The lack of tracking of sexual crimes against men and the lack of research about the effects of male rape are indicative of the attitude held by society at large -- that while male rape occurs, it is not an acceptable topic for discussion.

Historically, the rape of males was more widely recognized in ancient times. Several of the legends in Greek mythology involved abductions and sexual assaults of males by other males or gods. The rape of a defeated male enemy was considered the special right of the victorious soldier in some societies and was a signal of the totality of the defeat. There was a widespread belief that a male who was sexually penetrated, even if it was by forced sexual assault, thus "lost his manhood," and could no longer be a warrior or ruler. Gang rape of a male was considered an ultimate form of punishment and, as such, was known to the Romans as punishment for adultery and the Persians and Iranians as punishment for violation of the sanctity of the harem (Donaldson, 1990).

Nicholas Groth, a clinical psychologist and author of Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender, says all sexual assault is an act of aggression, regardless of the gender or age of the victim or the assailant. Neither sexual desire nor sexual deprivation is the primary motivating force behind sexual assault. It is not about sexual gratification, but rather a sexual aggressor using somebody else as a means of expressing their own power and control.

Much has been written about the psychological trauma associated with the rape of female victims. While less research has been conducted about male rape victims, case research suggests that males also commonly experience many of the reactions that females experience. These reactions include: depression, anger, guilt, self-blame, sexual dysfunctions, flashbacks, and suicidal feelings (Isley, 1991). Other problems facing males include an increased sense of vulnerability, damaged self-image and emotional distancing (Mezey & King, 1989). Male rape victims not only have to confront unsympathetic attitudes if they choose to press charges, they also often hear unsupportive statements from their friends, family and acquaintances (Brochman, 1991). People will tend to fault the male victim instead of the rapist. Stephen Donaldson, president of Stop Prisoner Rape (a national education and advocacy group), says that the suppression of knowledge of male rape is so powerful and pervasive that criminals such as burglars and robbers sometimes rape their male victims as a sideline solely to prevent them from going to the police.

There are many reasons that male victims do not come forward and report being raped, but perhaps the biggest reason for many males is the fear of being perceived as homosexual. However, male sexual assault has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the attacker or the victim, just as a sexual assault does not make the victim survivor gay, bisexual or heterosexual. It is a violent crime that affects heterosexual men as much as gay men. The phrase "homosexual rape," for instance, which is often used by uninformed persons to designate male-male rape, camouflages the fact that the majority of the rapists are not generally homosexual (Donaldson, 1990).

In a well-known study of offenders and victims conducted by Nicholas Groth and Ann Burgess, one-half of the offender population described their consenting sexual encounters to be with women only, while 38 percent had consenting sexual encounters with men and women. Additionally, one-half of the victim population was strictly heterosexual. Among the offenders studied, the gender of the victim did not appear to be of specific significance to half of the offenders. Instead, they appeared to be relatively indiscriminate with regard to their choice of a victim -- that is, their victims included both males and females, as well as both adults and children (Groth & Burgess, 1980). The choice of a victim seemed to be more a matter of accessibility than of sexual orientation, gender or age.

Many people believe that the majority of male rape occurs in prison; however, there is existing research which shatters this myth. A study of incarcerated and non-incarcerated male rape victims in Tennessee concluded that the similarities between these two groups would suggest that the sexual assault of men may not be due to conditions unique to a prison and that all men are potential victims (Lipscomb et al., 1992).

Research indicates that the most common sites for male rape involving post-puberty victims are outdoors in remote areas and in automobiles (the latter usually involving hitchhikers). Boys in their early and mid-teens are more likely to be victimized than older males (studies indicate a median victim age of 17). The form of assault usually involves penetration of the victim anally and/or orally, rather than stimulation of the victim's penis. Gang rape is more common in cases involving male victims than those involving female victims. Also, multiple sexual acts are more likely to be demanded, weapons are more likely to be displayed and used, and physical injury is more likely to occur, with the injuries that do occur being more serious than with injured female rape victims (Porter, 1986).

It was common in ancient times - no reason to think it's less common now, just not reported as much.

Or do you never hear stories about gang rape in prison?

Or do you never hear stories about gang rape in prison?

We hear about it, but we tend to think of it as a punch line rather than a gross misfortune the way we think of female rape.

Hey, I'll do anything for a laugh! :)

So would you laugh at female rape victims as well? At kids getting raped?

Be a darling and point out the humour to me, would ya?

If you think rape's so funny then clearly you should experience it

Next time you feel the urge to post like this... don't.

Where was the problem? The comment to 'grow up' or the swearing?

If you think rape's so funny then clearly you should experience it

Well, it's only funny if it happens to an adult male. That's what we're led to believe.

The worst possible rape is that of a female child, followed by that of a male child. Those people should be killed in the worst possible way, and then brought back to life just so we can continue to kill them in the most horrifying fashions.

After that, there are those who rape the elderly. Sick SOBs, but not as bad as killing children. Those people should be thrown down the staircase in the Statue of Liberty thirteen times and then be thrown into the water just outside of it.

Then there are those who rape family members or those who trust them...but the victims are adults or close to it. Sick, power-hungry bastards, yes, but not as sick as those who rape the elderly. These people should be dragged behind a rusty pickup truck through the streets of NYC at three in the morning...you know, so there's less traffic and the truck can get up to speed. And hecklers can still throw beer cans at them.

Then you have the garden-variety rapists. Still assholes, and still deserving of punishment, but we accept that there are worse people. Usually their victims are young adult females who generally don't report the crime. A few swift kicks to the crotch with golf spikes on should do the trick for these fuckers.

After this comes the rape of animals. Mostly we think these people have a screw loose or are just lonely, and it all depends on the animal being violated. Punishment ranges either from a stiff fine to public humiliation to having your picture made into a Flash video and posted on YTMND. Either way, I suggest changing your name, getting a nose job, and leaving town, lest you be assaulted by assholes and your car be broken into.

From this point, we have the rape of inanimate objects. We usually don't hand out punishment beyond a fine for vandalism for this.

After that, we have the rape of an adult male. I'm not entirely sure what we think of the perpetrators of this crime, but we seem to think more of them than we do his victims.

The lowest form of rape victim, and the most, ahem, virtuous rape perpetrator, is when an adult male cries rape by an adult female. Such men are immediately assumed to be either gay or lucky.

This hierarchy just seems to be how things break down; I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything, but that's often how people feel about this situation.

Well, it's only funny if it happens to an adult male. That's what we're led to believe.

The worst possible rape is that of a female child, followed by that of a male child. Those people should be killed in the worst possible way, and then brought back to life just so we can continue to kill them in the most horrifying fashions.

After that, there are those who rape the elderly. Sick SOBs, but not as bad as killing children. Those people should be thrown down the staircase in the Statue of Liberty thirteen times and then be thrown into the water just outside of it.

Then there are those who rape family members or those who trust them...but the victims are adults or close to it. Sick, power-hungry bastards, yes, but not as sick as those who rape the elderly. These people should be dragged behind a rusty pickup truck through the streets of NYC at three in the morning...you know, so there's less traffic and the truck can get up to speed. And hecklers can still throw beer cans at them.

Then you have the garden-variety rapists. Still assholes, and still deserving of punishment, but we accept that there are worse people. Usually their victims are young adult females who generally don't report the crime. A few swift kicks to the crotch with golf spikes on should do the trick for these fuckers.

After this comes the rape of animals. Mostly we think these people have a screw loose or are just lonely, and it all depends on the animal being violated. Punishment ranges either from a stiff fine to public humiliation to having your picture made into a Flash video and posted on YTMND. Either way, I suggest changing your name, getting a nose job, and leaving town, lest you be assaulted by assholes and your car be broken into.

From this point, we have the rape of inanimate objects. We usually don't hand out punishment beyond a fine for vandalism for this.

After that, we have the rape of an adult male. I'm not entirely sure what we think of the perpetrators of this crime, but we seem to think more of them than we do his victims.

The lowest form of rape victim, and the most, ahem, virtuous rape perpetrator, is when an adult male cries rape by an adult female. Such men are immediately assumed to be either gay or lucky.

This hierarchy just seems to be how things break down; I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything, but that's often how people feel about this situation.

It's sad, isn't it? Of course, we all know why society views it this way: that whole machoism thing. It's not manly to be raped or something. I've got two words for macho macho men: FUCK. YOU. Be a real person, not some stupid idiotic stereotype. I'm looking at you, Maddox.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/26/male.rape.ap/index.html

It's always a good idea to cover your ass. But especially in Baytown, Texas. Especially lately! :eek:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6036013.stm

It's always a good idea to cover your vagina. But especially in London, England.
Especially lately! :eek:

Which one is funnier?

I'm intrigued. I've heard a lot about serial killers who rape their male victims, but never about a male serial rapist.

LG, you never cease to amaze me with your deviancy. :DWould he cover his butt?? :confused: :eek: :D

Which one is funnier?

Obviously none are funny except to people with head problems, but that article pisses me off too - "Psychologists say he's... sexually attracted to older people" - even I, a person who has studied very little 'psychology', know that rape is more about power and/or violence than sex. Just goes to show you how crap 'psychologists' are, in Britain anyway (you can confirm they're crap by either reading that article, or by telling a pschologist about an emotional problem that you supposedly have)

:upyours: :upyours: :headbang: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

The part that stoood out about the article: "No one has been seriously hurt."

:mad: For Christ's sake, these men have been tortured! They've been traumatised and and emotionally damaged for life!

Assuming they catch this guy and try him, I bet his defense attorney won't be asking the victims, "How were you dressed that day, Mr. X? Do you always dress so provocatively? And how many sex partners have you had in the last year?"

I could see where a man might not want to report being raped by another man.

He would be the butt of all the office jokes. He might even get a nickname such as Ben Dover. :p

You find rape funny?

...oh, hah hah. Your wit stabs into mine heart without nary a halt from mine armor. :rolleyes:

Nope, but I can have a sense of humour?

Please, do. This subject, however, isn't all that funny.

Nope, but I can have a sense of humour?

Remind me to joke about women being raped, and I'll quote your response as justification.

Please, do. This subject, however, isn't all that funny.Oh please, it's just sex... :eek: :fluffle: :headbang:

Remind me to joke about women being raped, and I'll quote your response as justification.
Perhaps you are right. I deleted the offending posts.

I do not believe that I would ever remind you to joke about women being raped.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/26/male.rape.ap/index.html

It's always a good idea to cover your ass. But especially in Baytown, Texas. Especially lately! :eek:

Christ. Male rape has to get more attention. And I'm not going there for my next vacation.

It does my head in when morons use "I've got a sense of a humour, you musn't have" remarks to laugh at stuff that isn't even funny because they want to somehow justify their warped mind.

Eg. "Guy got raped" > moron: hahaha

"Sister got killed" > moron: hahaha your sister got killed, how hilarious

random person: You're sick laughing at that stuff

moron: I've got a sense of humour! Get a life! etc etc etc

Oh please, it's just sex... :eek: :fluffle: :headbang:

No, forced "sex" is emotional torture

No, forced "sex" is emotional tortureAs if a man ever needed to be forced to sex... ;)

So, if you live in Baytown, you have to cover your nose and your ass, eh?

A giant chemical plant/refinery/power plant right in the middle of town, plus a serial rapist who targets dudes? You know, I always thought that Baytown sucked ass, and now I've got proof.

Perhaps you are right. I deleted the offending posts.

And I edited it out of my post, just so you know.

Obviously none are funny except to people with head problems, but that article pisses me off too - "Psychologists say he's... sexually attracted to older people" - even I, a person who has studied very little 'psychology', know that rape is more about power and/or violence than sex. Just goes to show you how crap 'psychologists' are, in Britain anyway (you can confirm they're crap by either reading that article, or by telling a pschologist about an emotional problem that you supposedly have)

Do you? That is a very unproven theory, and I would take the word of a psychologist over the word of "a person who has studied very little psychology".

And I edited it out of my post, just so you know.
Thank you. I erred in judgement.

As if a man ever needed to be forced to sex... ;)

See, this is what we're so upset about. There were enough snide remarks about this in a past thread about a woman who performed oral sex on a non-consenting man. Now this? Do you people have to be this stupid when it comes to a subject like this? Yes, yes, I know there are morons who try to blame the victim when a woman gets raped, but very few who laugh at her. It's somehow OK to laugh at male rape victims and blame them. Fuck that shit. Get it straight, people - the only time it's even remotely amusing to hear of a man getting raped is if he's in prison for a really horrendous sex crime and the guy doing the raping is somehow connected to the victim. And even then, it's still pretty fucking sick, but the poetic justice factor weighs in somewhat.

Frankly, there's a pretty good word for what you and Lunatic Goofballs have done in this thread - it's called "trolling." And maybe this constitutes a flame, but it's a pretty mild, impersonal one.

this statistic from the article really shocked me:

The U.S. Justice Department says one in 33 men in the United States has been a victim of a rape or attempted rape, compared with one in six women.

The 1 in 33 was shocking and quite sad and the 1 in 6 just depressed the hell out of me.

this statistic from the article really shocked me:



The 1 in 33 was shocking and quite sad and the 1 in 6 just depressed the hell out of me.

The 1 in 33 is pretty shocking. The 1 in 6 is life as a woman. You can't dwell on it all the time but if you're going somewhere on your own, you think about routes and where you'll be and what it's like there, all that.

The 1 in 33 is pretty shocking. The 1 in 6 is life as a woman. You can't dwell on it all the time but if you're going somewhere on your own, you think about routes and where you'll be and what it's like there, all that.

IMHO, the 1 in 33 is underreporting the actual figure.

I bet it's closer to the figure for women (not 1 in 6, but more than 1 in 33).

The 1 in 33 is pretty shocking. The 1 in 6 is life as a woman. You can't dwell on it all the time but if you're going somewhere on your own, you think about routes and where you'll be and what it's like there, all that.


I know it's life as a woman. The majority of my female friends (who felt comfortable talking to me about these kinds of things) have said that they have been either molested or raped (or both). I know at least two girls who have been raped by guys that they thought were their very close (even best) friends.

I get so freaking angry about it. My blood boils when I hear the word "rape".

Still... 1 in 6 is so depressing :( Especially when you think of 6 woman in your family and figure that any one of those women (and likely more) has probably been a victim of rape.

You know, you never hear about lipstick lesbian rapists.

Oh sure, there's the butch lesbian rapists, and the gay rapists, and the straight rapists, but never a single lipstick lesbian rapist.


Just a point.

I know it's life as a woman. The majority of my female friends (who felt comfortable talking to me about these kinds of things) have said that they have been either molested or raped (or both). I know at least two girls who have been raped by guys that they thought were their very close (even best) friends.

I get so freaking angry about it. My blood boils when I hear the word "rape".

Still... 1 in 6 is so depressing :( Especially when you think of 6 woman in your family and figure that any one of those women (and likely more) has probably been a victim of rape.

I wasn't trying to chide you, honestly. And it's particularly nasty when the assault comes frm someone, as you say, you thought was your friend.

:upyours: :upyours: :headbang: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

The part that stoood out about the article: "No one has been seriously hurt."

:mad: For Christ's sake, these men have been tortured! They've been traumatised and and emotionally damaged for life!

One assumes they meant physicaly hurt.

where are all the evil people who haven't had traumatising experiences when they were young?:mad:

Or do you never hear stories about gang rape in prison?

Serial rape is a completely different and unique crime to gang rape or other kinds of sexual assault. I get intrigued by all kinds of serial criminals - killers, rapists, arsonists, etc. It's just rare to actually hear of male on male serial rape.

I think we lose a great opportunity to study and prevent rape of all kinds, by largely ignoring or dismissing a whole victim demographic. I also tend to think that societal attitudes to male victims of rape are abhorrent.

That being said, this is a Lunatic Goofballs thread. Expecting a thread by LG to be a serious, compassionate treatment of any subject is like expecting Paris Hilton to wear underwear. A hopeless dream. As such, we can just sit back and enjoy the ride. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dogman/malerape.jpg

That illistrates the attitude towards male rape pretty effectively. It's sickening that it's as accepted as that.

That illistrates the attitude towards male rape pretty effectively. It's sickening that it's as accepted as that.TV, film, even books have a tendency to use violence as a plot device. Against both men and women, I should add. It's not just rape; for some reason we seen to enjoy watching violence.

For that matter, I've seen a lot of movies (History of Violence, for example) or tv shows (Rescue Me) that show a woman being raped who, ultimately, ended up enjoying it. Which is also pretty sick, if you ask me. It's basically saying that it's okay to rape her because she actually wants you to have sex with you, even though she said no and was fighting with you.

So would you laugh at female rape victims as well? At kids getting raped?

Be a darling and point out the humour to me, would ya?

I wish I could explain it, but for some strange reason, male rape is considerably funnier than female or child rape.

Hey, I don't make the rules! :p

If you think rape's so funny then clearly you should experience it

I have. It wasn't very funny. But it's amaing how well humor helps one cope. *nod*

LG, there are some things even you can't make funny.

Serial rape is a completely different and unique crime to gang rape or other kinds of sexual assault. I get intrigued by all kinds of serial criminals - killers, rapists, arsonists, etc. It's just rare to actually hear of male on male serial rape.

I think we lose a great opportunity to study and prevent rape of all kinds, by largely ignoring or dismissing a whole victim demographic. I also tend to think that societal attitudes to male victims of rape are abhorrent.

That being said, this is a Lunatic Goofballs thread. Expecting a thread by LG to be a serious, compassionate treatment of any subject is like expecting Paris Hilton to wear underwear. A hopeless dream. As such, we can just sit back and enjoy the ride. :D

I've never claimed to be anything but a barbarian. I have a very small pool of compassion and I conserve it wisely. I deal out my compassion in times and places where it can actually do some good; Like if I ever meet someone who HAS been raped.

This forum is neither the time nor place for compassion. At least, not from me. I don't apoligize for that. But understand that while I can and do make light of events, I would never do so with victims. *nod*

I've never claimed to be anything but a barbarian. I have a very small pool of compassion and I conserve it wisely. I deal out my compassion in times and places where it can actually do some good; Like if I ever meet someone who HAS been raped.

This forum is neither the time nor place for compassion. At least, not from me. I don't apoligize for that. But understand that while I can and do make light of events, I would never do so with victims. *nod*

Yeah, that's the point I was trying to get across. I actually enjoy the fact that some people around here are not so serious, even about serious topics. I don't see anything wrong with it, in fact I think it's great that some people are able to make light of everything.

I have always gotten the sense from you that you are a compassionate person, who happens to have a very left-of-centre sense of humour, and who likes to share that humour with everyone.

An internet forum is not the optimal medium for displays of compassion or empathy. I've never understood why some people think it is.

Sorry if I offended you. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I've never claimed to be anything but a barbarian. I have a very small pool of compassion and I conserve it wisely. I deal out my compassion in times and places where it can actually do some good; Like if I ever meet someone who HAS been raped.

This forum is neither the time nor place for compassion. At least, not from me. I don't apoligize for that. But understand that while I can and do make light of events, I would never do so with victims. *nod*

Just out of curiosity, how can you seperate "events" from "victims", particularly in the case of something such as rape while discussing specific examples of said act?

Just out of curiosity, how can you seperate "events" from "victims", particularly in the case of something such as rape while discussing specific examples of said act?

Well, let me give some examples:

1) Male rapist on the loose gives a new meaning to the phrase, "Cover your ass!" -acceptable

2) A serial rapist was shot by the police today and will require surgery. Doctors say it's a quick 'in and out' procedure. -Acceptable to make fun of the rapist.

3) Saying to a rape victim, "Don't think of it as rape, think of it as surprise sex!" -unacceptably tactless. Even by my standards. *nod*

3) Saying to a rape victim, "Don't think of it as rape, think of it as surprise sex!" -unacceptably tactless. Even by my standards. *nod*

I had a charming young man once yell out in a classroom otherwise full of girls, "Stop rape, say yes!" He couldn't comprehend why I tore him a new one.

Well, let me give some examples:

1) Male rapist on the loose gives a new meaning to the phrase, "Cover your ass!" -acceptable

2) A serial rapist was shot by the police today and will require surgery. Doctors say it's a quick 'in and out' procedure. -Acceptable to make fun of the rapist.

3) Saying to a rape victim, "Don't think of it as rape, think of it as surprise sex!" -unacceptably tactless. Even by my standards. *nod*

I can agree with the second and third...the first one, I just see as being too close to the victims, and laughing somewhat at their expense. It might just be the particular subject in question (and more probably, the specifics of this thread) *shrug*

Do you? That is a very unproven theory, and I would take the word of a psychologist over the word of "a person who has studied very little psychology".

Go ahead. You'll be proved wrong by all the higher-qualified psychiatrists who agree with me. It's not an unproven theory - even rapists have admitted this when interviewed in prison.

I wish I could explain it, but for some strange reason, male rape is considerably funnier than female or child rape.


Only to morons. Not very Christian of me to say that, but had to be said.