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they're so bad for you!!!!!

they're so bad for you!!!!!

Spam: It's worse than heroin, man.

id say...

I have in the past, and won't rule out certain drugs in the future. I take the occasional toke of weed or eat a mushroom here and there.

I've neither the time or the money.

Anyways, if I want to kill myself, I'll do it the Catholic way: With booze and food. Way cheaper, and you get far more enjoyment per dollar.

It's fun to operate on a different level from time to time.

Yes. I take 'em all the time. Zoloft, Caffine, Sugar. Just some of the many, many drugs I pump into my body every day!

I've neither the time or the money.

Anyways, if I want to kill myself, I'll do it the Catholic way: With booze and food. Way cheaper, and you get far more enjoyment per dollar.

Psst... alcohol is a drug.

I'm a bit buzzed on Caffiene. Don't do Frappuccinos, kids. They're bad for you.

I'm with DCD, I have in the past and won't rule it out in the future. Right this moment, though, no, I don't. But if someday I get to imbibe certain chemicals to fight cells gone wild in my own body, trust me, my joint-rolling skills will be revived.

and id rather smoke a shit load of weed then drink myslef. but thats only because im a pothead.

they're so bad for you!!!!!

good arguement there.


i used to... quite a lot. but not any more.

Psst... alcohol is a drug.
No, alcohol is tradition. In a bottle!

Anyways, must we expand the definition of "drug" to include everything enjoyable? Must we? I mean, come on, caffeine and sugar sure as hell shouldn't be considered drugs, and alcohol is borderline. I know that it was always taught as something separate from other drugs when I was in school.

Psst... alcohol is a drug.

pretty nasty one, too.

well going into detail i think pot isnt even a drug. its just like alcohol. borderline.

I usually take enough caffiene to kill an elephant each day. What can I say, I just like coffee. I'm also one of the odd few who, after taking some caffine function better.

But with all the Coffee I drink, I sometimes feel like I should be a Major Stock Holder in Starbucks INC.:p :D

No, alcohol is tradition. In a bottle!

Anyways, must we expand the definition of "drug" to include everything enjoyable? Must we? I mean, come on, caffeine and sugar sure as hell shouldn't be considered drugs, and alcohol is borderline. I know that it was always taught as something separate from other drugs when I was in school.

It's not about expanding the definition; it's already there. At least for things you ingest, inhale, inject or whatever.

Maybe instead we should focus on using a more definitive word than "drugs." Like, psychoactives. But of course alcohol is still included therein.

Maybe, illegal psychoactives. Two words. That would do it, but then there are plenty of legal drugs that are used psychoactively.

Bah.

well going into detail i think pot isnt even a drug. its just like alcohol. borderline.

Agreed, although I wouldn't bother with pot, as per the fact of it's current illegal status. That's not a risk I'm quite willing to take.

No. Never have, never will. I like having a clear mind, and the idea of addiction is sickening.

No, alcohol is tradition. In a bottle!

Anyways, must we expand the definition of "drug" to include everything enjoyable? Must we? I mean, come on, caffeine and sugar sure as hell shouldn't be considered drugs, and alcohol is borderline. I know that it was always taught as something separate from other drugs when I was in school.

alcohol is highly addictive. sugar and, for the most part, caffeine are not.

it also has highly intoxicating effects which sugar and caffeine also do not

just because it is culturally accepted doesn't make it anything less of a powerful drug (i've often said if nicotine and alcohol were discovered tomorrow, they'd both be put in class A categories...)

No. Never have, never will. I like having a clear mind, and the idea of addiction is sickening.

thats why i stay away from the addicting ones. and nicotine is the most addicting substance on the planet. or at least thats what a drug information site said.

thats why i stay away from the addicting ones. and nicotine is the most addicting substance on the planet. or at least thats what a drug information site said.

I can say that's horseshit. Whoever says that has apparently never heard of heroin or morphine, that's all I can say.

alcohol is highly addictive. sugar and, for the most part, caffeine are not.

it also has highly intoxicating effects which sugar and caffeine also do not


Meh. Caffeine is addictive. It has withdrawal symptoms. (In fact, in my experience it's more addictive than nicotine or tobacco.) It provides a pleasurable, chemically-enhanced boost to the psychomotor functions. It's a stimulant.

Though I wouldn't say it's intoxicating in the sense that alcohol literally poisons the brain, but then few drugs are.

stupid drug information site.

No, alcohol is tradition. In a bottle!

Anyways, must we expand the definition of "drug" to include everything enjoyable? Must we? I mean, come on, caffeine and sugar sure as hell shouldn't be considered drugs, and alcohol is borderline. I know that it was always taught as something separate from other drugs when I was in school.

Caffeine was very nearly put on the list of the first federal drug ban along with heroine, cocain, and opium.

Caffeine was very nearly put on the list of the first federal drug ban along with heroine, cocain, and opium.

BUT,that would have been the death of reason altogether.

I like my drugs of choice. Pot and shrooms. Though I only get shrooms like once every two years.


btw, sugar is also addictive and causes withdrawals. Try to stay away from sugar in all of it's forms for two weeks and tell me how that headache is coming along. Not to mention the mood swings. Oh damn I think I just did.

BUT,that would have been the death of reason altogether.

The death of reason is that you get 10 years without parole for large amounts of pot, whereas the average amount of time spent in prision for murder (all degrees combined) is 6.3 years with parole. And that substances that have been proven to be non-harmful, such as pot and payote, are illegal while a roll of tobacco and nicatine is perfectly legal.

well going into detail i think pot isnt even a drug. its just like alcohol. borderline.

i don't know, i've more than once enjoyed a glass of wine or beer just because it tastes good.

i don't know a lot of people that would smoke pot if it didn't gave them some kind of mind altering effect.

that being said, i would support making it legal, or something like in the netherlands.

Technically, the federal drug ban is unconstitutional.

According to the constitution, one of the powers UNCONDITIONALLY denied by to the US government is Unconditional Prohibition.

No. Never have, never will. I like having a clear mind, and the idea of addiction is sickening.

Maybe you're addicted to sobriety and anal retentive self control.

Technically, the federal drug ban is unconstitutional.

According to the constitution, one of the powers UNCONDITIONALLY denied by to the US government is Unconditional Prohibition.

so unconditional prohibition is unconditionally prohibited? :eek:

i don't know, i've more than once enjoyed a glass of wine or beer just because it tastes good.

i don't know a lot of people that would smoke pot if it didn't gave them some kind of mind altering effect.

that being said, i would support making it legal, or something like in the netherlands.


I'd smoke pot for the taste as well (it is so mmm mmm good when you got the chronic *especially when you vaporize because you dont burn the vegetation*) but it's too damn expensive for that.

I like my drugs of choice. Pot and shrooms. Though I only get shrooms like once every two years.


btw, sugar is also addictive and causes withdrawals. Try to stay away from sugar in all of it's forms for two weeks and tell me how that headache is coming along. Not to mention the mood swings. Oh damn I think I just did.

I got some shrooms twice this past autumn. Before that it had been years since I'd used shrooms. Very fun.

I decided I don't like the idea of risking becoming addicted to anything, and I have plenty of fun without them, so, no. Although I probably am addicted to sugar, I guess.

so unconditional prohibition is unconditionally prohibited? :eek:


Yeah, most of the constitution sounds pretty stupid to our modern day ears (eyes, since we're reading.)

I got some shrooms twice this past autumn. Before that it had been years since I'd used shrooms. Very fun.


I just had some maybe 6-9 months ago. They were amazing. My wife had a couple deep insightful trips about the true meanign of the word "Moded" and what it means to live in the present moment. She also finally understood what Ghost In The Shell 2 was all about.

I just laughed the whole time and enjoyed all the pretty colors from the animated film. And I had a great nature walk.

Our friend was thouroughly confused the whole time and wasn't so sure what was going on with anyone or anything. It was his first time shrooming though.

Maybe you're addicted to sobriety and anal retentive self control.

No, you overcomplicate things. I just hate fun.

Technically, the federal drug ban is unconstitutional.

According to the constitution, one of the powers UNCONDITIONALLY denied by to the US government is Unconditional Prohibition.

They got around that by an international treaty aimed at stopping Britain from forcing opium on China. But yes, federal substance bans do go directly against the Constitution.

so unconditional prohibition is unconditionally prohibited? :eek:

No, unconditional substance prohibition is unconditionally prohibited.

They got around that by an international treaty aimed at stopping Britain from forcing opium on China. But yes, federal substance bans do go directly against the Constitution.



No, unconditional substance prohibition is unconditionally prohibited.

Sucky, sucky, sucky.

I like drugs and am angry everytime I'm sent to jail because of them.

Sucky, sucky, sucky.

I like drugs and am angry everytime I'm sent to jail because of them.

That's really shitty. You have my sympathy. I, too, enjoy certain drugs, although have never been sent to jail because of them. I also think it's rediculous that you can be sent to prision and deprived of your liberty for non-violent crimes, like drug possession. And the fact that the government thinks it's it's place to nanny you.

I suppose you could try being more careful in the future.

Two things the government should not be for: legestate morailty, protect you from yourself.

they're so bad for you!!!!!

:eek: ZOMG!
No shit,Sherlock.
Though some aren't bad.Legalize marijuana,and the like.

They got around that by an international treaty aimed at stopping Britain from forcing opium on China. But yes, federal substance bans do go directly against the Constitution.



No, unconditional substance prohibition is unconditionally prohibited.

What part of the constitution unconditionally bans unconditional substance bans?

What part of the constitution unconditionally bans unconditional substance bans?

I'm no Constitutional scholar, so I couldn't tell you. And neither are you. You do not go right to primary sources to coroberate any and all info you recieve, why do you expect me to? I heard from what I concider a reliable source (History Channel) that a federal substance ban was unconstitutional, and that lawmakers got around that in the manner I discribed above. Since then I have had that coroberated by other scholarly scources, including a college history professor. That is enough for me to reasonably believe that it's true.

I'm no Constitutional scholar, so I couldn't tell you. And neither are you. You do not go right to primary sources to coroberate any and all info you recieve, why do you expect me to? I heard from what I concider a reliable source (History Channel) that a federal substance ban was unconstitutional, and that lawmakers got around that in the manner I discribed above. Since then I have had that coroberated by other scholarly scources, including a college history professor. That is enough for me to reasonably believe that it's true.

Sheesh, I just asked a question. :rolleyes: I just thought maybe one of them had mentioned the section of the document, is all.

I occasionally have been known to do things which would be perfectly legal in the Netherlands, yes. Moderation is the key. It'd probably be better for me to do loads of drugs than continue with my current abusively-much intake of alcohol... but then, I am a student, so I don't have to choose. :P

Mmmm...drugs...

Eh, I smoke cannabis occasionally. Only illegal substances I've ever tried are that and 'shrooms (though when I tried the shrooms they were legal). I've also tried salvia, but it had barely any effect on me. I'd never try cocaine, heroin, anything like that (except medically), because I don't want to risk being addicted.

I just had some maybe 6-9 months ago. They were amazing. My wife had a couple deep insightful trips about the true meanign of the word "Moded" and what it means to live in the present moment. She also finally understood what Ghost In The Shell 2 was all about.

I just laughed the whole time and enjoyed all the pretty colors from the animated film. And I had a great nature walk.

Our friend was thouroughly confused the whole time and wasn't so sure what was going on with anyone or anything. It was his first time shrooming though.

i had a shit time on shrooms. i was clinically depressed at the time (and not then on meds) and found myself in a 30 foot grave looking up at the room we were in above me, unable to move or scream with terror, feeling amazingly cold and feeling the 'earth' behind me crawl with.... things.

after what felt like forever i managed to drag myself away/out and throw up, after which i closed my eyes and concentrated on talking with my friend to take my mind off it :(

i had a shit time on shrooms. i was clinically depressed at the time (and not then on meds) and found myself in a 30 foot grave looking up at the room we were in above me, unable to move or scream with terror, feeling amazingly cold and feeling the 'earth' behind me crawl with.... things.

after what felt like forever i managed to drag myself away/out and throw up, after which i closed my eyes and concentrated on talking with my friend to take my mind off it :(



eeep! :( I'm sorry to hear about that. I probably would avoid them (at least when depressed) after an episode liek that, though I imagine you already renounced all drugs so you dont need to make that decision for a single substance.

I've only had all good experiences on them. Well once I was paranoid about how I looked to everyone else for some reason but quickly got over it.

Usually the gut busting laughter is what I am in it for.

You need to define what exactly you mean by "drugs". I have a prescription for most of it and take it because a) it helps me breathe, b) it helps me deal with depression, and c) I've noticed that I'm a happier human being because of them.

So, they're not necessarily bad for you, eh?

(P.S.: My switch to Sertralin was the best thing that happened recently!)

eeep! :( I'm sorry to hear about that. I probably would avoid them (at least when depressed) after an episode liek that, though I imagine you already renounced all drugs so you dont need to make that decision for a single substance.

I've only had all good experiences on them. Well once I was paranoid about how I looked to everyone else for some reason but quickly got over it.

Usually the gut busting laughter is what I am in it for.

well yeah.... after that (which was in amsterdam) i had a week binge of weed, ecstacy and coke (plus booze of course) at a friend's place, and it was after that i decided to give it all a rest for a while.
now its been almost 2 years since even having a beer and i'm far happier and more stable for it :)

at the time though i was getting paranoid just having a spliff or two, and all the drugs were doing were giving me a means of escape for my problems... meaning i just got worse without really realising it, ending up attempting suicide, dropping out of university, being hospitalised and having to move back in with my parents to be looked after, and now on medication for the depression.

i don't blame the drugs particularly, as recreationally they're generally fine if you can handle them. i was just one of the ones who couldn't, or did them for the wrong reason. sometimes it was fun, but it ended up being very bad... though i might one day try drugs again if i feel ready for them (i tried having some spliffs round a friend's place a couple of months back and got kinda fucked up :( so not ready yet, heh)

You need to define what exactly you mean by "drugs". I have a prescription for most of it and take it because a) it helps me breathe, b) it helps me deal with depression, and c) I've noticed that I'm a happier human being because of them.

So, they're not necessarily bad for you, eh?

(P.S.: My switch to Sertralin was the best thing that happened recently!)

very glad to hear it, man! :) :fluffle:

and merry xmas to you :)

I used to be addicted to very bad stuff......

I take prescription medication and OTC medicine.......

After years of a caffeine free life I have returned to it.........and it's good, oh so good.

I smoked weed a fair bit last year. I got kind of bored of it though, so I'm putting all my time and effort into drinking myself to death now :D

i had a shit time on shrooms. i was clinically depressed at the time (and not then on meds) and found myself in a 30 foot grave looking up at the room we were in above me, unable to move or scream with terror, feeling amazingly cold and feeling the 'earth' behind me crawl with.... things.

after what felt like forever i managed to drag myself away/out and throw up, after which i closed my eyes and concentrated on talking with my friend to take my mind off it :(

yeah thats a bummer to have a bad trip. but just last week i had an amazing one! fantastic!

though I like Caffeine, and Coffee is the only way I take it, besides plenty of Soda, I figure I myself should probably be classified as an Illegal Drug, because plenty of people have told me that talking to me when I ramble on about things I imagine is like being high, without all the negative side effects of drugs.

Well, I smoke bud somewhat regularly...and occasionally do some acid or mushrooms...although I have not done mushrooms in probably two years, due to their unavailability... Which kind of sucks, but what can you do?

And I drink occasionally, but I much prefer smoking.

Well, I smoke bud somewhat regularly...and occasionally do some acid or mushrooms...although I have not done mushrooms in probably two years, due to their unavailability... Which kind of sucks, but what can you do?

And I drink occasionally, but I much prefer smoking.

around here the shrooms are being harvested so i have plenty right now! yay for me!

I wrote a damn post and lost it cause of some problem loading. I don't feel like writing it out again but basically what I said was:

I think people are incredibly brainwashed by the media and society while growing up, so they learn to think drugs are bad and they end up fearing them. Then lots of people who are simply afraid try and sound like they're consciously opposed for thoughtful reasons... saying stuff like "I like my clear headedness" or "I'm straight-edge." I don't know a lot about many drugs but I think marijuana is a really good thing that everyone should try. It's a peace inducing drug that lets you take a step back from all the bullshit of daily life. You can feel good about yourself and the company you're with. Plus it's not addictive at all. I smoke cigarettes from time to time (to take the edge off) and although I still don't consider myself a smoker, this past week I've felt more of an urge to have a cigarette than to smoke some weed. Anyway, I think weed is a good thing that brings nothing but positivity, and I'm willing to try other drugs as well.

around here the shrooms are being harvested so i have plenty right now! yay for me!

Must you lord it over me?


No, nop, only joking, good for you. THat is awesome. I have access to them, but only if I buy at least an ounce, and I don't really have a spare US$100 lying around.

Sheesh, I just asked a question. :rolleyes: I just thought maybe one of them had mentioned the section of the document, is all.

Sorry, didn't mean to react like that. Been on NSG too long, you get jumpy to challenges.


In responce to the guy above me, the brainwashing can lead to more drug use as well, and more irresponcible drug use. People grow up being told that drugs will kill them, and pot is addictive, and all this shit. Then they find out that pot is not the devil's herb, and that some drugs are perfectly safe. They then assume they've been lied to and become reckless about taking more dangerous drugs, or they choose to rebel by taking all the drugs they were told are bad to take. This leads to kids ODing on coke or messing up their lives with acid or something. As people have said, they keep is moderation. The key is also real education, so people can make their own *informed* decisions. Also, if people know what they are doing, they are less likely to use drugs dangerously, or to use certain dangerous drugs. When you lie to someone and try to make decisions for them, it makes them want to resist you, and with something like drugs, the choice should be a personal one. You shouldn't be prohibited, but nor should you do drugs to get back at your parents or teachers.

All that said, I've been doing pot for about 4 years now, and don't do it nearly as often as I used to. I drink alot more then I used to, but I'm in college, so I suppose that has something to do with it :) I've done opium a couple of times, but plan to limit myself strictly when it comes to that drug (fortunatly it's very hard to come by in my area, so I figure if I don't put effort into sedaking it out I won't end up doing it to often), I sometimes snort aderal pills, but also less then I used to, and only if I have something specific I want to get jazzed up for. I've tried Salvia, but that barely did anything for me. I'd like to try mushrooms, and acid, although the latter I'd limit greatly if I decide to do it more then once at all, and both I'd be extremely careful with. I'd like to try cocaine once, but I would never allow myself to do it more then one time. I've seen people ruin their lives with coke. Not to mention it's expensive, you get major jail time if caugh, and it's addictive. Plus, it's exactly what I'm looking for in a drug, so I know that I couldn't hold myself to limited use. Heroin, crack, E, and crystal meth are all things I would never touch. Additionally, I would very much like to experience payote, and would give the drug the respect it deserves.

What part of the constitution unconditionally bans unconditional substance bans?

No part.


So, the History Channel was performing up to its usual (lack of) standards.

In fact, one could make the argument that the 9th amendment would allow such a thing, since its for the "Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights". Rather than come up with an exhaustive list of things that you can't do, they simply shoved this clause in there so that they didn't have to make the bill of rights have thousands of amendments. Why did they feel that they needed to specifically make an amendment banning alcohol if the constitution didn't allow you to use it?

People who do drugs are stupid, I use to and It ruined my life

People who do drugs are stupid, I use to and It ruined my life

what about those of us who use drugs (as I have for about 17 years now) but aren't ruining our lives?

My career is great

My marriage is great

I have strong bonds with my family and friends

I'm happy

I'm healthy

Sounds like you are equating everyone as being stupid for doing something you personally coudlnt handle.

I don't do drugs, and most likely never will.

The most alchohol I've ever had was half a glass of wine, almost exactly a year ago. I've had sips of alcohol before (under parental supervision, they wont let me get drunk). Being the daughter of two smokers, I've inhaled enough tobacco smoke.

On the other hand, I take Adoxa for acne and Concerta for ADHD, and pop a couple Advils when I'm feeling ill.

All that said, I've been doing pot for about 4 years now, and don't do it nearly as often as I used to. I drink alot more then I used to, but I'm in college, so I suppose that has something to do with it :) I've done opium a couple of times, but plan to limit myself strictly when it comes to that drug (fortunatly it's very hard to come by in my area, so I figure if I don't put effort into sedaking it out I won't end up doing it to often), I sometimes snort aderal pills, but also less then I used to, and only if I have something specific I want to get jazzed up for. I've tried Salvia, but that barely did anything for me. I'd like to try mushrooms, and acid, although the latter I'd limit greatly if I decide to do it more then once at all, and both I'd be extremely careful with. I'd like to try cocaine once, but I would never allow myself to do it more then one time. I've seen people ruin their lives with coke. Not to mention it's expensive, you get major jail time if caugh, and it's addictive. Plus, it's exactly what I'm looking for in a drug, so I know that I couldn't hold myself to limited use. Heroin, crack, E, and crystal meth are all things I would never touch. Additionally, I would very much like to experience payote, and would give the drug the respect it deserves.

yes i will never touch the ones you mentioned to. i have done coke one. it was alright but nothing id get into cause is addicting and really expensive.

I think I'm on the slippery slope to alcoholism. I already drink myself to tears when I'm sad and I've already had to see psychologists, psychiatrists, and the like.

I've never done drugs, and I don't intend to as long as I live.

Though I did take a drag from one of my mom's cigarettes when I was two-and-a-half years old... I choked on the ash and coughed it out.

I think I'm on the slippery slope to alcoholism. I already drink myself to tears when I'm sad and I've already had to see psychologists, psychiatrists, and the like.

I lost a year of my life to alcohol, the stuff is messed up and I still can't quit. Now I have my drinking under control

yes drinking when your depressed is never good. my brother was injured in iraq and most of his buddies were killed. he got back and didnt sleep very well so he would be out in the bars until wee hours of the morning. this contintued for several weeks and then he tryed to hang himself in our garage. he was so trashed his brain didnt form a memory and he doesnt even remember the incident. i enjoy drinking and im not condeming it use. just dont drink when your depressed. its never good.

yes i will never touch the ones you mentioned to. i have done coke one. it was alright but nothing id get into cause is addicting and really expensive.

Yeah, plus even trying coke once is a REALLY bad idea. For one thing, it's so potent one try can get you hooked...or kill.


The only illegal drug I would even CONSIDER trying once is pot (And even then, probably not because I find it just as disgusting an idea as tobacco). Certainly not acid, because of flashbacks, cocaine and heroin because they're really deadly, and of course not touching any drug like meth that besides being super deadly basically immobilizes you.

yes drinking when your depressed is never good. my brother was injured in iraq and most of his buddies were killed. he got back and didnt sleep very well so he would be out in the bars until wee hours of the morning. this contintued for several weeks and then he tryed to hang himself in our garage. he was so trashed his brain didnt form a memory and he doesnt even remember the incident. i enjoy drinking and im not condeming it use. just dont drink when your depressed. its never good.

Yeah.... bad idea... :(

The only illegal drug I would even CONSIDER trying once is pot (And even then, probably not because I find it just as disgusting an idea as tobacco). Certainly not acid, because of flashbacks, cocaine and heroin because they're really deadly, and of course not touching any drug like meth that besides being super deadly basically immobilizes you.[/QUOTE]


but pot tastes ever so sweet :)

Yeah, plus even trying coke once is a REALLY bad idea. For one thing, it's so potent one try can get you hooked...or kill.


The only illegal drug I would even CONSIDER trying once is pot (And even then, probably not because I find it just as disgusting an idea as tobacco). Certainly not acid, because of flashbacks, cocaine and heroin because they're really deadly, and of course not touching any drug like meth that besides being super deadly basically immobilizes you.

Yeah... pot doesn't sound good to me either. I hear the highs are good but when you come off them you're uber-paranoid... I'd rather be clean and not have to worry about drug tests and all that.

And no acid for me... *shudders*

Yeah... pot doesn't sound good to me either. I hear the highs are good but when you come off them you're uber-paranoid... I'd rather be clean and not have to worry about drug tests and all that.

And no acid for me... *shudders*

I'm sure that whole paranoid thing varies from person to person, as my cousin is a huge pot smoker. I was in his room after he'd smoked a literal load of the stuff, and there was a thick cloud of smoke. I got high from it, though I really didn't act any differently than I usually do (I felt like I could float and I was really light-headed). I definitely wasn't paranoid.

I managed to scarf down seven huge tamales after I left his room. Of course, I hadn't eaten all day (it was about 1:30 PM, and I'd been up since 8:05)... I'm not sure if it was the pot, or if I was really that hungry.

Yeah... pot doesn't sound good to me either. I hear the highs are good but when you come off them you're uber-paranoid... I'd rather be clean and not have to worry about drug tests and all that.

And no acid for me... *shudders*

i feel sorry for the pot smokers who get paranoid. in my case i seem to only feel the positive effects. the only bad thing i can think of is when im coming down i get real tired...and somtimes a head ach, but the head ach isnt so bad cause i just fall asleep!

i also feel kinda sorry for those people who havnt done any drug, or even drank alcohol. they have never had been in a different reality. that must suck.

i feel sorry for the pot smokers who get paranoid. in my case i seem to only feel the positive effects. the only bad thing i can think of is when im coming down i get real tired...and somtimes a head ach, but the head ach isnt so bad cause i just fall asleep!

All the ex-stoners I know say they got extremely paranoid...

i also feel kinda sorry for those people who havnt done any drug, or even drank alcohol. they have never had been in a different reality. that must suck.

I used to drink kinda often when I was five and six years old. My dad would let me finish off the rest of his beer quite a lot, and that would usually be about 1/6 of the bottle.

But once when I was six, he let me have half a bottle of Shiner Bock, half a bottle of Zima, and finally, a full bottle of Zima, all in one day. And not for a second was I drunk.

All the ex-stoners I know say they got extremely paranoid...

yes, i think someone said it before, it must be different from person to person.

yes, i think someone said it before, it must be different from person to person.

True...

Admittedly, I only know a few ex-stoners.

But I'd still rather not get high, I like to be aware of what I'm doing without judgement impairments.

True...

Admittedly, I only know a few ex-stoners.

But I'd still rather not get high, I like to be aware of what I'm doing without judgement impairments.

I never got paranoid when I smoked pot, although I probably should have thought it out a little more.......but when you are perpetually high, you don't really think anything out much. ;)

i also feel kinda sorry for those people who havnt done any drug, or even drank alcohol. they have never had been in a different reality. that must suck.
true, tis an experience.
but then you gotta ask yourself why you're needing a different reality... if its just fun then fine. if you're escaping this reality trying to find a new one, then you're just running from your problems and not doing yourself any favours (generally speaking)

i feel sorry for the pot smokers who get paranoid. in my case i seem to only feel the positive effects. the only bad thing i can think of is when im coming down i get real tired...and somtimes a head ach, but the head ach isnt so bad cause i just fall asleep!
heh that's my trick with MDMA/ecstacy.... just fall alseep and skip out the comedown (facilitated by smoking copious amounts of weed :p)

i got paranoid after almost 3 years of smoking pot, the latter 2 years of which was every day... it was probably my deteriorating mental health that caused the paranoia, not the drug itself, as when i first started there was none and it was all cool :cool:
yeah thats a bummer to have a bad trip. but just last week i had an amazing one! fantastic!

yeah, really shitty trip. my mate wanted to do them the next day as well but i couldn't face it... so glad i didn't.

True...

Admittedly, I only know a few ex-stoners.

But I'd still rather not get high, I like to be aware of what I'm doing without judgement impairments.

it does get me aggrivated when people assume that when you are high you have the intelligence of a 5 year old. true there are judgement impairments most are not significant enough to harm yourself or others. like i can drive just fine, sure i would rather not, i would always want someone else to drive. and the more sober they are the better.

it does get me aggrivated when people assume that when you are high you have the intelligence of a 5 year old. true there are judgement impairments most are not significant enough to harm yourself or others. like i can drive just fine, sure i would rather not, i would always want someone else to drive. and the more sober they are the better.

one of the "best" things about weed, as opposed to alcohol, is that you are aware of your own imparements. when you're drunk you're king (or queen ;)) of the world, and driving is a laugh... when you're high you know you're high and (can) compensate for it. hell, my flatmate was actually a better & safer driver when he was stoned because he was slower, more cautious and less aggressive behind the wheel :p


i, however, cannot possibly cook while monged :p :p

one of the "best" things about weed, as opposed to alcohol, is that you are aware of your own imparements. when you're drunk you're king (or queen ;)) of the world, and driving is a laugh... when you're high you know you're high and (can) compensate for it. hell, my flatmate was actually a better & safer driver when he was stoned because he was slower, more cautious and less aggressive behind the wheel :p


i, however, cannot possibly cook while monged :p :p

yes i can denfinately see how that is possible. im not sure about me when driving but when i play my ps2 and its a war game i play hell of a lot better. that and play the guitar. however, my school work seffers greatly.:headbang:

People who do drugs are stupid, I use to and It ruined my life

well, they certainly ruined your diction


In responce to the guy above me, the brainwashing can lead to more drug use as well, and more irresponcible drug use. People grow up being told that drugs will kill them, and pot is addictive, and all this shit. Then they find out that pot is not the devil's herb, and that some drugs are perfectly safe. They then assume they've been lied to and become reckless about taking more dangerous drugs, or they choose to rebel by taking all the drugs they were told are bad to take. This leads to kids ODing on coke or messing up their lives with acid or something. As people have said, they keep is moderation. The key is also real education, so people can make their own *informed* decisions. Also, if people know what they are doing, they are less likely to use drugs dangerously, or to use certain dangerous drugs. When you lie to someone and try to make decisions for them, it makes them want to resist you, and with something like drugs, the choice should be a personal one. You shouldn't be prohibited, but nor should you do drugs to get back at your parents or teachers.

couldn't agree more - my grandparents were alcoholics (yep, all four of them) so my parents were terrified of alcohol
and told me endlessly that "drugs are bad, m'kay?" but never taught me anything about them - never let me drink in moderation at home, for example, so i'd be experienced with alcohol when i attended my first party at university and was handed a beer...
i had to find out everything from scratch, because the first time i got drunk, and the first time i got stoned, i didn't instantly become a craven junkie, so clearly everything they'd told me was lies

so in the course of my life i've taken alcohol, nicotine, pot in many forms (leaf, hash, oil, charis), cocaine, heroin, speed and crystal meth, acid, psilocybin (mushrooms), mescalin (san pedro cactus), DMT, nitrous oxide, amyl nitrate... i think that's the lot (plus caffeine, sugar etc)
yet i'm addicted to none of them, nor have i ever been. i only take hallucinogenics when i feel strong enough to, and have had only one bad trip out of about 50 - and even that wasn't so bad, i just couldn't comprehend time so the whole night was like Memento

i don't offer the above list to brag, but i don't apologise for any of my experiences either. they were all personal, and i've never harmed anyone either under the influence of these substances (how many other people can say that just about alcohol?) or in order to obtain any of them

i've had a ten year professional career as a graphic artist, and on only one day in that ten years have i been incapable of working because of "drugs" and that was due to alcohol alone

but we're talking several concurrent lifetimes imprisonment if i ever got charged with my many drug "offences"

well, they certainly ruined your diction




couldn't agree more - my grandparents were alcoholics (yep, all four of them) so my parents were terrified of alcohol
and told me endlessly that "drugs are bad, m'kay?" but never taught me anything about them - never let me drink in moderation at home, for example, so i'd be experienced with alcohol when i attended my first party at university and was handed a beer...
i had to find out everything from scratch, because the first time i got drunk, and the first time i got stoned, i didn't instantly become a craven junkie, so clearly everything they'd told me was lies

so in the course of my life i've taken alcohol, nicotine, pot in many forms (leaf, hash, oil, charis), cocaine, heroin, speed and crystal meth, acid, psilocybin (mushrooms), mescalin (san pedro cactus), DMT, nitrous oxide, amyl nitrate... i think that's the lot (plus caffeine, sugar etc)
yet i'm addicted to none of them, nor have i ever been. i only take hallucinogenics when i feel strong enough to, and have had only one bad trip out of about 50 - and even that wasn't so bad, i just couldn't comprehend time so the whole night was like Memento

i don't offer the above list to brag, but i don't apologise for any of my experiences either. they were all personal, and i've never harmed anyone either under the influence of these substances (how many other people can say that just about alcohol?) or in order to obtain any of them

i've had a ten year professional career as a graphic artist, and on only one day in that ten years have i been incapable of working because of "drugs" and that was due to alcohol alone

but we're talking several concurrent lifetimes imprisonment if i ever got charged with my many drug "offences"

wow. i was the opposite. all of my older 3 brothers did drugs and alcohol at a youg age. so i was exposed to it young. i started smoking weed at age of 11. and alcohol soon after. i did shrooms i think it was 13. and coke about a year ago. but all of the other "Hardcore" drugs im going to stay away from. i might do acid though.

Marijuananananananana!


But I don't have any for tonight. Damn.

Marijuananananananana!


But I don't have any for tonight. Damn.

sucker:D

sucker:D

Screw you. Cokehead :P

Marijuananananananana!


But I don't have any for tonight. Damn.

Come to my town, there's some growing behind my old elementary school :D

Screw you. Cokehead :P

:upyours: .............:)

Come to my town, there's some growing behind my old elementary school :D

if thatwere true for me i might actually go to school!

wow. i was the opposite. all of my older 3 brothers did drugs and alcohol at a youg age. so i was exposed to it young. i started smoking weed at age of 11. and alcohol soon after. i did shrooms i think it was 13. and coke about a year ago. but all of the other "Hardcore" drugs im going to stay away from. i might do acid though.

the guys who first introduced me to hallucinogenics were four brothers with about ten years between eldest and youngest
and it's the youngest brother (the one who had the most knowledge of drugs before trying them himself) who's the most stable, and in fact has a chemistry degree primarily to better understand what's happening when he takes stuff
the brothers all had a simple rule - if you give someone a new substance for the first time, you stay with them until the trip's over
there's nothing more irresponsible than giving an inexperienced person a mind-altering substance then abandoning them

also i didn't touch anything at all until i was eighteen, and nothing stronger than pot until my late twenties

i would never advocate (or give) drugs to a teenager, simply because there isn't a strong enough sense of self to get you through if it does turn bad

the guys who first introduced me to hallucinogenics were four brothers with about ten years between eldest and youngest
and it's the youngest brother (the one who had the most knowledge of drugs before trying them himself) who's the most stable, and in fact has a chemistry degree primarily to better understand what's happening when he takes stuff
the brothers all had a simple rule - if you give someone a new substance for the first time, you stay with them until the trip's over
there's nothing more irresponsible than giving an inexperienced person a mind-altering substance then abandoning them

also i didn't touch anything at all until i was eighteen, and nothing stronger than pot until my late twenties

i would never advocate (or give) drugs to a teenager, simply because there isn't a strong enough sense of self to get you through if it does turn bad


true that. and i would never force any one to do anything.

:upyours: .............:)

Seriously, cocaine is bad. Get rid of it from your life ASAP. I don't touch any drugs other than weed but I think the fact that cocaine is becoming increasingly socially acceptable is very disturbing considering just how addictive a drug it is. Seriously, pill up, ket out, get your 2CB on, whatever, just try and get away from charlie.

Seriously, cocaine is bad. Get rid of it from your life ASAP. I don't touch any drugs other than weed but I think the fact that cocaine is becoming increasingly socially acceptable is very disturbing considering just how addictive a drug it is. Seriously, pill up, ket out, get your 2CB on, whatever, just try and get away from charlie.

yeah i tend to stay away from coke heads. very unstable. i tried coke once and i didnt think it was that great. plus my brother (who went to rehab 6 different times for 6 different drugs) used to do coke and he told me how it fucked up his life. so....no coke for me. unless im real thirsty.:D

Seriously, cocaine is bad. Get rid of it from your life ASAP. I don't touch any drugs other than weed but I think the fact that cocaine is becoming increasingly socially acceptable is very disturbing considering just how addictive a drug it is. Seriously, pill up, ket out, get your 2CB on, whatever, just try and get away from charlie.

yep, coke, meth, and heroine, all uber bad. I wouldn't recommend experimenting with any of them, ever.

yep, coke, meth, and heroine, all uber bad. I wouldn't recommend experimenting with any of them, ever.

only done coke once or twice, and didn't like it that much.... not really one for stimulants in general, me (even when having mdma i gotta have some weed or i'd get overstimulated and all paranoid and weird). and that was only really because it was there - never really had a wish to try it much.

same goes for the other two. never have wanted to do them (bar wanting to have heroin when i was suicidal), and never will.

yep, coke, meth, and heroine, all uber bad. I wouldn't recommend experimenting with any of them, ever.

truesay. Good advice.

only done coke once or twice, and didn't like it that much.... not really one for stimulants in general, me (even when having mdma i gotta have some weed or i'd get overstimulated and all paranoid and weird). and that was only really because it was there - never really had a wish to try it much.

same goes for the other two. never have wanted to do them (bar wanting to have heroin when i was suicidal), and never will.

I sold coke for about 6 months before I tried it, and when I did I really liked it, only about 4 months later I figured out it was too expensive and that I was going to get into trouble with it so I switched to meth, and that's when the trouble really started........

only did heroine 5 times but ended up in the hospital sick as a dog the last time, so I didn't do it again.......the whole time I was puking and sweating and having unbelievable pain wishing that meth would make me sick too so I could quit.

like I said earlier, I didn't really have a grasp on what you guys call "reality" when I was high.

not so much these days, but i go through the occaisional phase where i'll try something and then take lots of it for a while and then get bored or disollusioned(sp?) with it and stop doing it.

yeah. it doesnt help if you have an addicting personality. like my brother right above me ( the once who when to a shit load of rehabs) when he finds somthing he likes he gets alot of it or does alot of it. and that doesnt have to be drugs. food, video games, cloths. anything.

yep, coke, meth, and heroine, all uber bad. I wouldn't recommend experimenting with any of them, ever.

i'd also like to see coke, meth, and heroin set apart from acid, shrooms and mescalin, as none of the hallucinogenics have any form of toxicity or addictivity

the word "drug" has become so polluted with scaremongering and misinformation it practically lacks any real meaning at all

i find it amazing how many people flinch and look over their shoulders when i relate a trip anecdote - as though they're going to be tarred with my evil "drug" brush, and dragged off to be beaten with rubber hoses just for hearing the word

oh, what i wouldn't give to see one newspaper article that didn't immediately draw hideous links between casual drug use and rapacious carnage...

only done coke once or twice, and didn't like it that much.... not really one for stimulants in general, me (even when having mdma i gotta have some weed or i'd get overstimulated and all paranoid and weird). and that was only really because it was there - never really had a wish to try it much.

same goes for the other two. never have wanted to do them (bar wanting to have heroin when i was suicidal), and never will.

oh yeah, mdma! i knew i missed one...

i'd also like to see coke, meth, and heroin set apart from acid, shrooms and mescalin, as none of the hallucinogenics have any form of toxicity or addictivity

the word "drug" has become so polluted with scaremongering and misinformation it practically lacks any real meaning at all

i find it amazing how many people flinch and look over their shoulders when i relate a trip anecdote - as though they're going to be tarred with my evil "drug" brush, and dragged off to be beaten with rubber hoses just for hearing the word

oh, what i wouldn't give to see one newspaper article that didn't immediately draw hideous links between casual drug use and rapacious carnage...
I had a terrible first experience with acid, but it was mostly because my dad found out and started screwing with me to ruin my trip........idiot.

I agree with what you are saying though, mostly.

got that right

I had a terrible first experience with acid, but it was mostly because my dad found out and started screwing with me to ruin my trip........idiot.

I agree with what you are saying though, mostly.

damn that must have sucked.

I had a terrible first experience with acid, but it was mostly because my dad found out and started screwing with me to ruin my trip........idiot.

I agree with what you are saying though, mostly.

mmm... take someone who's perception of reality you know is distorted, and make it bad for them
clearly your father's love for you is respectful and profound

set and setting - if you're taking a mind-altering substance, be realistic - do it somewhere you feel good, with people you trust, and be in the right mood for it - it shouldn't be russian roulette with your brain

i had a fantastic first trip on acid (which was also my first hallucinogenic experience) - my friend (the youngest of the four brothers) took me for a long walk through the town belt at night, then we went back to his flat and cruised online for fractal generators and other visual spurs, then suntanned and got quietly drunk and stoned in his backyard once the trip started wearing off
no stress, no shocks, no wankers!

set and setting - if you're taking a mind-altering substance, be realistic - do it somewhere you feel good, with people you trust, and be in the right mood for it - it shouldn't be russian roulette with your brain


^^^^^ that is exactly right. exspecialy with acid.

^^^^^ that is exactly right. exspecialy with acid.

*gasps*
i'm right?!

whatever you do, don't tell anyone! they'll hear, and then we'll both be for it!

Okay, seeing as we're on an AA trip here:

I smoked weed pretty much every day for about fifteen years and churned my way through pretty much every substance known to man too. None of them particularly fucked me up, although shoving stuff up my nose left me with a few 'irregularities' of the nasal passage. Despite taking my fair share (or perhaps a little more) of acid and psylocibin I have never had a flashback, although I did learn a great deal about myself under the influence of both. Ecstacy taught me how to open up emotionally to my friends and was great fucking fun for a few years. I was always fairly careful and never had any real trouble (although my friend Dan turned yellow once...) Cocaine is overrated but fun enough in its own way - so long as you want to be a boorish wanker it's the drug for you. Personally I think heroin is dull as shit and I don't recommend it for anybody with a brain. Still, it's like opium but more so. Which is nice enough. Great taste.

Of all the above subtances (not an exhaustive list though I never really got into ketamine,) the one that created the most problems for me was marijuana. Though not physically addictive, it is most certainly habitually addictive and, although I've been clean for a couple of years, if there's some around I find it hard not to indulge. It also makes me bad company (insular, overthoughtful and destroys my conversational skills.) Caffeine, alcohol and tobacco are all drugs (obviously,) and the most difficult to stop as they are readily available, cheap and socially acceptable. Stopping smoking cigarettes is one of the hardest things I have ever done. And booze is shit.

So... to those of you who out there considering getting into drugs, may I recommend the following:

1. Smoke marijuana. But smoke it without mixing it with tobacco. And don't smoke it habitually.
2. Alcohol is nice but only in small quantities. More than that it just makes you vomit and gives you a headache. That's the definition of a shit drug.
3. Take acid. But take it with friends in a safe and natural environment and look after each other. You have nothing to fear but what's inside your head already.
4. When your marijuana runs out, don't be tempted to substitute with cigarettes. Just don't.
5. Don't bother with cocaine. Unless you want to be a wanker (going to a special wanker-themed party, etc...)
6. E's are great. But make sure you're not going to have a toxic reaction by scraping a teeny bit off in advance to try. And don't drink alcohol same time.
7. Sugar is hard to avoid. Go for it.
8. Heroin also makes you vomit. And not think or do anything. Dull.
9. Ketamine is confusing and best left to horses.
10. Don't inject, and don't put MDMA up your nose. There's a right place and a wrong place for everything.
11. Take care and have fun.
12. Don't forget life while you're at it.

not forgetting life is very important.

It really is ridiculous how drugs are demonized. That being said, i drink but i don't regularly do drugs. The only illegal drug i've ever done is pot, and i haven't done that in a year... why? because at my place of employment, we seem to be going through a period of restructuring and due to my low seniority i may have to find another job and get another drug test... which is unfortunate, because pot is awesome. The few times i've tried it have been hillarious and fun and very pleasant. I'm not saying this experience is universal, or even common... but fortunately its been my experience... people who don't know why people smoke pot have most likely never tried it.

It really is ridiculous how drugs are demonized. That being said, i drink but i don't regularly do drugs. The only illegal drug i've ever done is pot, and i haven't done that in a year... why? because at my place of employment, we seem to be going through a period of restructuring and due to my low seniority i may have to find another job and get another drug test... which is unfortunate, because pot is awesome. The few times i've tried it have been hillarious and fun and very pleasant. I'm not saying this experience is universal, or even common... but fortunately its been my experience... people who don't know why people smoke pot have most likely never tried it.

I haven't tried pot or any illegal drugs, and I really don't want to.

I would rather stay clean and have total control over my judgement and actions.

I haven't tried pot or any illegal drugs, and I really don't want to.

I would rather stay clean and have total control over my judgement and actions.

with pot you have control over you jugement and actions.

I haven't tried pot or any illegal drugs, and I really don't want to.

I would rather stay clean and have total control over my judgement and actions.

two points:
first, i don't 'advocate' - i'll tell my experiences happily but i'm not selling anything (literally or figuratively)
it's always your own choice
but if someone's interested, i'll do my best to give accurate and honest advice, and cut through the propaganda

secondly, the experience of surrendering control to my subconscious has been tremendously insightful for me, and has recently become the primary focus of my psilocybin experiences
like i say, set and setting are fundamental - i never take hallucinogenics in a cavalier manner, so surrendering control isn't as scary as it sounds
which isn't to say it isn't scary! but that's what i call a calculated risk

i really shouldn't be listening to jello biafra while typing this - the temptation to rant is somewhat heightened...

No part.


So, the History Channel was performing up to its usual (lack of) standards.

Interesting that no one has tried to dispute this. I looked up the 21st Amendment which repealed Prohibition, but says nothing like what was being implied. In fact, his reaction sounded to me like, "It says what I say it does, and you'd better not look it up!"

Still, I'm completely against the US government's "War on Drugs". It's most certainly the stupidest thing since Prohibition. I think that things like marijuana should be legalized and treated just like alcohol. Of course, I think the drinking age should be lower, but that's another issue altogether, and since I'm a few years above the legal age I'm not all that passionate about it.

...hey

where'd everybody go?

I do not have a problem with people doing drugs, as long as:

1) Not in public, the police have enough to do without removing intoxicated people off the street.

2) NEVER, EVER INFRONT OF CHILDREN! A fully developed body may be able to deal with it, but to disrupt that of a child with drugs is unfair, not to take into the account that it is unfair to addict a child.

3) And you do not have intercourse within two weeks of being intoxicated, crack babies are a crime to nature.

I do not have a problem with people doing drugs, as long as:

1) Not in public, the police have enough to do without removing intoxicated people off the street.

2) NEVER, EVER INFRONT OF CHILDREN! A fully developed body may be able to deal with it, but to disrupt that of a child with drugs is unfair, not to take into the account that it is unfair to addict a child.

3) And you do not have intercourse within two weeks of being intoxicated, crack babies are a crime to nature.

1) i've never enjoyed stepping over unconscious junkies, and i wish to hell they'd help their own public image by not leaving their goddamn freaking needles in parks - being high doesn't have to mean being a colossal fuckhead

2) i agree, never ever give anything to anyone who is unable to give informed consent

3) but sex on hallucinogenics is sooooooo good! it's half the reason i take the stuff! always with protection though (yes i am still capable of remembering to put a condom on when tripping my nut off)

i also feel kinda sorry for those people who havnt done any drug, or even drank alcohol. they have never had been in a different reality. that must suck.

I've never done illegal drugs, but oh, the dreams I've had, The Schizophrenia I've had, still have, don't plan on going to see a docter to get rid of, I've been in more Realities than I can accuratly name, overlayed upon The Real world, like an Egg on a Flapjack. No Drug can compare to what I see naturally without them.

rather spend all my money and look fucked up and acted fucked up and see lots of stuff than look atound at this world...man have you ever actually watched fox or the passion not under the influence of something? man its so scary and weird, plus its funny when your in the theater watching the passion high and start laughing at the part where jesus gets the shit beaten out of him, or was that the whole movie, i forget anyway.....great way to piss off catholics, even more so

Nope, never tried drugs.

I think they should be legal, though - well, soft drugs should, at least. Just my opinion.

Nope, never tried drugs.

I think they should be legal, though - well, soft drugs should, at least. Just my opinion.

but some form of legislature will have to decide what constitutes 'soft' drugs
so where do you draw the distinction?

Just watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

Definitely turned me off to drugs, forever.

Just watched Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

Definitely turned me off to drugs, forever.

fantastic movie in my opinion

primarily for its honesty

it's not a pap morality tale
and it's not a blinkered fantasy vision of completely harmless indulgence

fantastic movie in my opinion

primarily for its honesty

it's not a pap morality tale
and it's not a blinkered fantasy vision of completely harmless indulgence

Books amazing, but some of the stuff I couldn't visualize, or mentally organize, properly, as per my lack of experience with said substances.

Although several of my friends have informed me that weed is just like being drunk, only without the hangover.

Although several of my friends have informed me that weed is just like being drunk, only without the hangover.

Ridiculous. Alcohol intoxication involves a very definite impairment of motor control and visual perception. As well as severe judgement impairment, i.e "beer goggles." On the other hand, marijuana doesn't intoxicate (i.e, kill brain cells, which is how alcohol acts), and motor control is really not impaired. Judgement impairment is something that is often said to coincide with a marijuana high, but I don't think it is. I can judge just fine while stoned. Never heard of anyone having weed goggles.

Books amazing, but some of the stuff I couldn't visualize, or mentally organize, properly, as per my lack of experience with said substances.

Although several of my friends have informed me that weed is just like being drunk, only without the hangover.

i love hunter's writing, and had never believed a movie adaptation could possibly work *ahem*wherethebuffaloroam*ahem*
then i heard gilliam and depp were teaming up, with hunter's blessing and participation, and it turned out to be everything i could possibly have hoped
awww

but when i first read the books, and saw the movie, i hadn't encountered anything stronger than pot, but was eager to find it and find out for myself
then i got to immerse myself in a tripper culture for a coupla years, then went back and watched the movie again

and was delighted to find that i actually appreciated it so much more
even though terry gilliam still claims he's never taken any drugs himself

Although several of my friends have informed me that weed is just like being drunk, only without the hangover.

pot is nothing like alcohol, in the same way that heroin is nothing like mushrooms, in the same way that coffee is nothing like tequila

Pot was fun for a while, but its cost, after-effects and ability to make me fail a drug test turned me off to it. Salvia was interesting at first, but then got way too strange and I had this pervasive feeling that it was way to alien of a substance for my brain. Never drank a drop, my family is chalk full of alcoholics, and addiction is not a pretty road. I've got alcoholism in my genes, and growing up with an alcoholic parent really turned me off to it. The only drug that I now take recreationally made me taste and feel music, see colors that I didn't know existed, let me know what it feels like to be the color orange, as well as to not exist, and gave me significant insights into my interpersonal relationships. As demonized as it is, I find it a far more reasonable drug than alcohol, so long as you use it in moderation. (Which should be the case for any recreational drug you choose to use.) I'm sure you know what drug I'm talking about.

The only drug that I now take recreationally made me taste and feel music, see colors that I din't know existed, let me know what it feels like to be the color orange, as well as to not exist, and gave me significant insights into my interpersonal relationships. As demonized as it is, I find it a far more reasonable drug than alcohol, so long as you use it in moderation. (Which should be the case for any recreational drug you choose to use.) I'm sure you know what drug I'm talking about.

LSD?
DXM?
DMT?
LSA?
Psilocybin?

Pot was fun for a while, but its cost, after-effects and ability to make me fail a drug test turned me off to it. Salvia was interesting at first, but then got way too strange and I had this pervasive feeling that it was way to alien of a substance for my brain. Never drank a drop, my family is chalk full of alcoholics, and addiction is not a pretty road. I've got alcoholism in my genes, and growing up with an alcoholic parent really turned me off to it. The only drug that I now take recreationally made me taste and feel music, see colors that I didn't know existed, let me know what it feels like to be the color orange, as well as to not exist, and gave me significant insights into my interpersonal relationships. As demonized as it is, I find it a far more reasonable drug than alcohol, so long as you use it in moderation. (Which should be the case for any recreational drug you choose to use.) I'm sure you know what drug I'm talking about.

mdma?
acid?
mushrooms?
nitrous oxide?

you don't mean... love?
do you?

Currently I'm not doing any illegal drugs. Other than alchohol and nicotine, all my drugs are prescribed. Not nearly as much fun as the ones I used to do, but the risk of jail is significantly lower. But the main reason I don't do them anymore is that I just don't have as much fun with it as I used to.

LSD?
DXM?
DMT?
LSA?
Psilocybin?

ooh, yeah... DXM
i missed that one too
but i still assert that drugs have never harmed my memory at all!

ooh, yeah... DXM
i missed that one too
but i still assert that drugs have never harmed my memory at all!

Let's say that in one briefcase you could have enough to give every person in the country a dose.

Let's say that in one briefcase you could have enough to give every person in the country a dose.

by your 'dose' reference i'm gonna have to assume acid
or you could just stop beating about the bush
(restrains self from political pun)

and i've never heard a good salvia story btw - it's one of the few (like crack) that i really won't touch ever

by your 'dose' reference i'm gonna have to assume acid
or you could just stop beating about the bush
(restrains self from political pun)

and i've never heard a good salvia story btw - it's one of the few (like crack) that i really won't touch ever

Yeah, you assume correctly. The first time I blacked out, and when I came to, I was laughing so hard I was drooling on myself; it was like a second childhood. In addition, I thought my friends were all doctors operating on me. It got far stranger and far less fun very quick, and I didn't feel like using it anymore. I don't think you need to fear it as much as heroin and crack cocaine, because chances are you will not even want to use it again. It is definitely more likely to fry your brain into mental illness than LSD. (Or bring on a latent mental illness that much quicker...)

I'm a recovering drug addict here, so I've done plenty of drugs in my life. Pot, mushrooms, alcohol, speed, coke, E, crystal meth, acid,.... Crack and heroin are the only two big ones that I've never done, and only because I didn't get around to them before I got into recovery.

Been clean for two years now, and life is better than it ever has been! And today I decide not to take any drugs. I've got the hope and faith that I'll make that decision every day for the rest of my life.

I'd tell all of you that marijuana is addictive as is any mood and mild altering substance, (pot addiction is a growing problem here in the Netherlands!) but that would probably be considered flaming here.

I'm a recovering drug addict here, so I've done plenty of drugs in my life. Pot, mushrooms, alcohol, speed, coke, E, crystal meth, acid,.... Crack and heroin are the only two big ones that I've never done, and only because I didn't get around to them before I got into recovery.

Been clean for two years now, and life is better than it ever has been! And today I decide not to take any drugs. I've got the hope and faith that I'll make that decision every day for the rest of my life.

I'd tell all of you that marijuana is addictive as is any mood and mild altering substance, (pot addiction is a growing problem here in the Netherlands!) but that would probably be considered flaming here.

not to me - i'm in a bit of a low state at the moment, and i'm quite aware of how much more attractive my pot pipe is compared to when i've got good things going on

any drugs used excessively, irresponsibly, carelessly, whatever the drug (including, imho, sugar) can be harmful
using drugs without enough information to really know what you're getting into (and once you've taken something, you've no choice but to ride it - as st hunter says: buy the ticket, take the ride, no sympathy for the devil) is idiocy
so my point is that the withholding of information and the blocking of research on these substances, that are not disappearing or diminishing in use, just adds to the damage that these substances can produce, when they're used ignorantly
the withholding of information just adds to this ignorance, and makes curious people more likely to take risks as they know that they can't get reliable information to make a truly informed choice - all they know is that what they have been told has turned out to be pretty much all lies, and to ask is to invite investigation

not to me - i'm in a bit of a low state at the moment, and i'm quite aware of how much more attractive my pot pipe is compared to when i've got good things going on

any drugs used excessively, irresponsibly, carelessly, whatever the drug (including, imho, sugar) can be harmful
using drugs without enough information to really know what you're getting into (and once you've taken something, you've no choice but to ride it - as st hunter says: buy the ticket, take the ride, no sympathy for the devil) is idiocy
so my point is that the withholding of information and the blocking of research on these substances, that are not disappearing or diminishing in use, just adds to the damage that these substances can produce, when they're used ignorantly
the withholding of information just adds to this ignorance, and makes curious people more likely to take risks as they know that they can't get reliable information to make a truly informed choice - all they know is that what they have been told has turned out to be pretty much all lies, and to ask is to invite investigationQFT

The lack of accurate information has only made me more likely to ignore most of the warnings on the danger of drugs. Since the authorities lie about most of it, I ignore them.

I'd've posted earlier but for the pre-emptive twitching of the monkey on my back...

One of the arguements my (partially retarded imo) Health teacher used agaisn't smoking pot was that it changed the chemicals in your brain.

Being happy changes the chemicals in your brain. :rolleyes:

I'm a recovering drug addict here, so I've done plenty of drugs in my life. Pot, mushrooms, alcohol, speed, coke, E, crystal meth, acid,.... Crack and heroin are the only two big ones that I've never done, and only because I didn't get around to them before I got into recovery.

Been clean for two years now, and life is better than it ever has been! And today I decide not to take any drugs. I've got the hope and faith that I'll make that decision every day for the rest of my life.

I'd tell all of you that marijuana is addictive as is any mood and mild altering substance, (pot addiction is a growing problem here in the Netherlands!) but that would probably be considered flaming here.

That is what my German teacher (from Holland) said, but like I said above, being happy changes the chemicals in your brain.

And give it a few years and you guys will be as resistant to pot as the Chinese are to opium. Each to his own,

QFT

The lack of accurate information has only made me more likely to ignore most of the warnings on the danger of drugs. Since the authorities lie about most of it, I ignore them.

and it's scary to discover just how phenomenally ignorant the 'authorities' are, when they do occasionally discover someone in the depths of a trip experience
and thereby reinforce their prejudices by terrifying the living shit out of the unfortunate tripper, thus providing them with their much-craved data that 'people under the influence of hallucinogenics suffer negative reactions"

of course they do - when you're terrorising them with your stormstoopers!

I'm a recovering drug addict here, so I've done plenty of drugs in my life. Pot, mushrooms, alcohol, speed, coke, E, crystal meth, acid,.... Crack and heroin are the only two big ones that I've never done, and only because I didn't get around to them before I got into recovery.

Been clean for two years now, and life is better than it ever has been! And today I decide not to take any drugs. I've got the hope and faith that I'll make that decision every day for the rest of my life.

I'd tell all of you that marijuana is addictive as is any mood and mild altering substance, (pot addiction is a growing problem here in the Netherlands!) but that would probably be considered flaming here.

so i gotta ask, given your experience
do you agree with me that hallucinogenics do not have the addictive qualities that opiates do?
and that anti-hallucingenic propagana has distorted hallucinogenics by directly comparing them to 'harder' drugs? (by which i mean genuinely addictive substances)

I sold coke for about 6 months before I tried it, and when I did I really liked it, only about 4 months later I figured out it was too expensive and that I was going to get into trouble with it so I switched to meth, and that's when the trouble really started........

only did heroine 5 times but ended up in the hospital sick as a dog the last time, so I didn't do it again.......the whole time I was puking and sweating and having unbelievable pain wishing that meth would make me sick too so I could quit.

like I said earlier, I didn't really have a grasp on what you guys call "reality" when I was high.
well that fucking sucks :-S

sincere kudos to you for sorting your life out :fluffle:

I do not have a problem with people doing drugs, as long as:

...

3) And you do not have intercourse within two weeks of being intoxicated, crack babies are a crime to nature.

true, dat.

but that said, i would still one day love to have sex while high on shrooms or acid.... how awesome would that be? :p

not to me - i'm in a bit of a low state at the moment, and i'm quite aware of how much more attractive my pot pipe is compared to when i've got good things going on

any drugs used excessively, irresponsibly, carelessly, whatever the drug (including, imho, sugar) can be harmful
using drugs without enough information to really know what you're getting into (and once you've taken something, you've no choice but to ride it - as st hunter says: buy the ticket, take the ride, no sympathy for the devil) is idiocy
so my point is that the withholding of information and the blocking of research on these substances, that are not disappearing or diminishing in use, just adds to the damage that these substances can produce, when they're used ignorantly
the withholding of information just adds to this ignorance, and makes curious people more likely to take risks as they know that they can't get reliable information to make a truly informed choice - all they know is that what they have been told has turned out to be pretty much all lies, and to ask is to invite investigation

that's one of the reasons i advocate the government seizing control of the supply chain of drugs. they're going to be used anyway: prohibition does not work, so the safest and best thing to do for users is not to lock them up but to ensure they know the health risks they're getting themselves into by having that information available at the clinic where the drugs are sold, asking them a few questions to make sure they know the information, and also making sure that the drugs themselves aren't tainted with shit... if people are going to willingly harm their bodies and minds, the least we could do is make sure that damage is minimised.
addicts can be brought into normal society and helped with their addiction with methadone programes or prescribed heroin (etc) to reduce crime and the antisocial effects of addiction (obviously abusers of this system would have to be punished somehow)

it makes sense to me. and don't forget how powerful propeganda can be.... just look at the stereotypical (uninformed) reefer madness' reaction people often display when talking about pot :p if there were pictures of charred and diseased lungs on the wall every time you went to buy your weed from the government store, you might just be discouraged over time to smoke less :) (better than buying from a dealer/pusher, which anyone who's done drugs will know what that's like)

Basically, my equation figures like this:

Opiates > All Other Drugs

Just don't over-do it. :)

...but that said, i would still one day love to have sex while high on shrooms or acid.... how awesome would that be? :p

It's pretty weird. Mdma is better...

they're so bad for you!!!!!

Speaking as someone who has two heroin addicts as relatives, I think that some (but not all) drugs are a bad thing.

IMHO, neither of them even faintly resembles the person they were before this all started. At this point, all they have to do to tell a lie is open their mouth.

They've abandoned their children, lost their business, and told everyone they know to fuck off. The wife has become a prostitute to support their habit, and they spend most of their time living on the street, because they're not willing to work for anything except their next high.

They both now suffer from grievous health effects from the addiction, and they both look like walking corpses.

I'm not saying that milder drugs are a problem - but the opiates and methamphetamine are a serious problem.

Personally i think gruggos are all pathetic useless scum but i wouldnt stop them from using it even if i had the power to. Because it's your right to do so. What i would stop is people selling and/or buying drugs. You'd have to grow your own.

Speaking as someone who has two heroin addicts as relatives, I think that some (but not all) drugs are a bad thing.

IMHO, neither of them even faintly resembles the person they were before this all started. At this point, all they have to do to tell a lie is open their mouth.

They've abandoned their children, lost their business, and told everyone they know to fuck off. The wife has become a prostitute to support their habit, and they spend most of their time living on the street, because they're not willing to work for anything except their next high.

They both now suffer from grievous health effects from the addiction, and they both look like walking corpses.

I'm not saying that milder drugs are a problem - but the opiates and methamphetamine are a serious problem.


It's not really the drugs,it's the people. Yep sure some of themare more adictive than others, but really it's the overdoing of them, shit even too much choc is bad for you.

The point, leave it up to people those that want to will, and those that don't won't.

It's not really the drugs,it's the people. Yep sure some of themare more adictive than others, but really it's the overdoing of them, shit even too much choc is bad for you.

The point, leave it up to people those that want to will, and those that don't won't.

I would agree if they didn't have children. But they did - and it took a couple of years to strip them of their parental rights.

The emotional damage to the children was immense.

I would agree if they didn't have children. But they did - and it took a couple of years to strip them of their parental rights.

The emotional damage to the children was immense.

Yeah but was it the fault of the drugs or the parents? We all know that ciggerettes kill you, we know that alchol fucks up your liver, we know that too much fat can cuase haert attack, we know some hard drugs will ruin your live and the lives of your loved ones. Yet is it the substance in these cases or the people who have the knolwedge yet choose to ignore it that has to take the blame?

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Yeah but was it the fault of the drugs or the parents? We all know that ciggerettes kill you, we know that alchol fucks up your liver, we know that too much fat can cuase haert attack, we know some hard drugs will ruin your live and the lives of your loved ones. Yet is it the substance in these cases or the people who have the knolwedge yet choose to ignore it that has to take the blame?

Well, if you're going to make drugs like heroin legal, then a condition of its use should be that you have to immediately surrender your parental rights.

In addition, workplaces should have the right to fire you, especially if you work around heavy machinery, or drive.

I'm not saying that milder drugs are a problem - but the opiates and methamphetamine are a serious problem.

Not sure about meth, but I wouldn't dismiss opiates so quickly. A clean supply and a little knowledge of your tolerance and you shouldn't have problems if you can keep it up financially. People with addictive personalities are going to have problems regardless, I'd think.

Not sure about meth, but I wouldn't dismiss opiates so quickly. A clean supply and a little knowledge of your tolerance and you shouldn't have problems if you can keep it up financially. People with addictive personalities are going to have problems regardless, I'd think.

Then maybe the charge should be "Inability To Handle Your High".

Well, if you're going to make drugs like heroin legal, then a condition of its use should be that you have to immediately surrender your parental rights.

In addition, workplaces should have the right to fire you, especially if you work around heavy machinery, or drive.


Yeah I agree, although I don't know about the heroin bit. I know a fair few heroin adicts that hold down jobs and are other wise normal people, hehe a tad telling that not a one of them has any kids though?

Just like we have smoking banned in the work place, and you can get fired for being drunk at work, then again I agree. If people choose to take drugs, let em, but by all means have some control about the work place etc...

Yeah I agree, although I don't know about the heroin bit. I know a fair few heroin adicts that hold down jobs and are other wise normal people, hehe a tad telling that not a one of them has any kids though?


Basically a physical impossibility on heroin. :p

Ridiculous. Alcohol intoxication involves a very definite impairment of motor control and visual perception. As well as severe judgement impairment, i.e "beer goggles." On the other hand, marijuana doesn't intoxicate (i.e, kill brain cells, which is how alcohol acts), and motor control is really not impaired. Judgement impairment is something that is often said to coincide with a marijuana high, but I don't think it is. I can judge just fine while stoned. Never heard of anyone having weed goggles.

According to my health textbook, marijuana contains 28 carcinogens, lowers sperm count in guys, and impairs judgement and ability to drive, etc., like getting drunk.

Of course, this is the same health book that preaches morality in the STD chapter...

According to my health textbook, marijuana contains 28 carcinogens, lowers sperm count in guys, and impairs judgement and ability to drive, etc., like getting drunk.

Of course, this is the same health book that preaches morality in the STD chapter...

your health book is right about pot.

Ridiculous. Alcohol intoxication involves a very definite impairment of motor control and visual perception. As well as severe judgement impairment, i.e "beer goggles." On the other hand, marijuana doesn't intoxicate (i.e, kill brain cells, which is how alcohol acts), and motor control is really not impaired. Judgement impairment is something that is often said to coincide with a marijuana high, but I don't think it is. I can judge just fine while stoned. Never heard of anyone having weed goggles.

if your judgment is impaired you don't really have the judgment to judge that.

your health book is right about pot.

Just not about sex.... :rolleyes:

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According to my health textbook, marijuana contains 28 carcinogens, lowers sperm count in guys, and impairs judgement and ability to drive, etc., like getting drunk.

Of course, this is the same health book that preaches morality in the STD chapter...

Your healthy book is scaremongering.

Carcinogens...that'll be smoking pot with baccy...not if you smoke it pure.

Sperm count...oh! Once more...10 to 1 that'll be the baccy!

Impairs judgement...hmmm possible...depends on the person.

Ability to drive...same thing...depends on the person...

However there does seem to be some credence given to the psychological influence of the stronger types of weed like skunk. These are artificially grown to make very strong strains of skunk.

Some people can handle it while others can't.

Weed and Shrooms are alright if taken from time to time, but I have to say anything "harder" is beyond me.

I deal caffeine and taurine.

I can judge just fine while stoned.

Sorry, that one doesn't fly with me. You may think you're judging fine while stoned (just like every drunk in the world thinks he's judging fine while drunk) but the odds are strongly against it.

Sorry, that one doesn't fly with me. You may think you're judging fine while stoned (just like every drunk in the world thinks he's judging fine while drunk) but the odds are strongly against it.

Not to mention science... So reality pretty much.

Sorry, that one doesn't fly with me. You may think you're judging fine while stoned (just like every drunk in the world thinks he's judging fine while drunk) but the odds are strongly against it.

I'm not sure that is entirely true...otherwise you would not have stoners playing computer games...

I'm not sure that is entirely true...otherwise you would not have stoners playing computer games...

playing a computer game is the ultimate sign of good judgment?:confused:

I'm not sure that is entirely true...otherwise you would not have stoners playing computer games...

As a regular drunk, I'll have you know that I've played some of my best rounds drunk off my ass. I seem to develop an amazing knack for FPS games, which I'm usually horrible at, when I'm incapable of walking in straight line.

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I'm not sure that is entirely true...otherwise you would not have stoners playing computer games...

i seen stoner's play they not that good

playing a computer game is the ultimate sign of good judgment?:confused:

LOL! not ultimate perhaps...I would not want someone stoned off their gourd performing complicated surgery (although I am quite certain it has happened)...

My point is that computer games require eye hand co-ordination and perception...

As a regular drunk, I'll have you know that I've played some of my best rounds drunk off my ass. I seem to develop an amazing knack for FPS games, which I'm usually horrible at, when I'm incapable of walking in straight line.

LOL!!! I'm just crap at most computer games!

Could be that you have played these games often enough that you know the layout and what comes next ...

I guess ultimately it depends on the person....

Another poster mentioned about hard drugs and losing the right to have kids...should that also be applied to alcohol?

(not aimed at you specifically btw....just a general comment)

LOL! not ultimate perhaps...I would not want someone stoned off their gourd performing complicated surgery (although I am quite certain it has happened)...

My point is that computer games require eye hand co-ordination and perception...

I functioned (at least in my mind) better than most around me when I was a coke head.........it doesn't mean that I had good judgment or even that it was good for me.

If you are going to do drugs, do them, it's your body. Don't lie to people about the effects though, trying to rationalize it as "oh, but I am better at video games" sounds like you do have a problem with your own drug habits and you are trying to hide from that.

I functioned (at least in my mind) better than most around me when I was a coke head.........it doesn't mean that I had good judgment or even that it was good for me.

If you are going to do drugs, do them, it's your body. Don't lie to people about the effects though, trying to rationalize it as "oh, but I am better at video games" sounds like you do have a problem with your own drug habits and you are trying to hide from that.

I guess I must have pushed one of your buttons to get this irrational gibberish.

Please highlight my 'rationalising'. Did you even bother to think about what I actually said? And if you had any doubts why did you not ask questions before you decided to spout your verbal spew? No...kneejerking seems to be the order of the day. Nice!

Also I am not a liar. Please point out where I am 'lying'.

What really takes the breath away are your assumptions about me.

I guess I must have pushed one of your buttons to get this irrational gibberish.

Please highlight my 'rationalising'. Did you even bother to think about what I actually said? And if you had any doubts why did you not ask questions before you decided to spout your verbal spew? No...kneejerking seems to be the order of the day. Nice!

Also I am not a liar. Please point out where I am 'lying'.

What really takes the breath away are your assumptions about me.

drugs alter your perceptions, they alter your judgment, saying "they don't do that to me" is lying, they do that to everyone. You don't have some special brain chemistry that stops mind altering substances from altering your mind.

drugs alter your perceptions, they alter your judgment, saying "they don't do that to me" is lying, they do that to everyone. You don't have some special brain chemistry that stops mind altering substances from altering your mind.

Really?

Well you are obviously coked out of your tiny fucking gourd then because I never said that.

Idiot.

Sorry, that one doesn't fly with me. You may think you're judging fine while stoned (just like every drunk in the world thinks he's judging fine while drunk) but the odds are strongly against it.

I'm not sure that is entirely true...otherwise you would not have stoners playing computer games...

just there you implied that.........

Your healthy book is scaremongering.

Carcinogens...that'll be smoking pot with baccy...not if you smoke it pure.

Sperm count...oh! Once more...10 to 1 that'll be the baccy!

Impairs judgement...hmmm possible...depends on the person.

Ability to drive...same thing...depends on the person...

However there does seem to be some credence given to the psychological influence of the stronger types of weed like skunk. These are artificially grown to make very strong strains of skunk.

Some people can handle it while others can't.

here you basically say that some people are altered while others are not.......and without a source claim that pot is safe.

so i gotta ask, given your experience
do you agree with me that hallucinogenics do not have the addictive qualities that opiates do?
and that anti-hallucingenic propagana has distorted hallucinogenics by directly comparing them to 'harder' drugs? (by which i mean genuinely addictive substances)

Okay, I'm probably going to say some things that you don't want to hear, and maybe won't understand, but this is my personal experience, the experience of a lot of addicts I personally know, and the distilled experience of a hell of a lot more addicts that I don't know. So with that....

First - let me say that any and all drugs are addictive. That includes hallucinogenics! In fact: anything and everything that is mood and mind altering has addictive qualities too them. Heroin, acid, shopping, sex, gambling, sports, reading - the list is endless. Actually, the substance or the activity isn't all that important; it's what the substance or the activity does to you that is important. My first drug addiction was to acid before moving on to speed. If crystal meth was more available here in Holland I would have been sticking a needle in my arm every day instead of keeping it to the four times I have slammed.

Secondly, there is a difference between physical and mental aspects of addiction with various substances. But, sure, the physical addiction of LSD might be less than heroin when you look at what a person goes through in withdrawal, but that doesn't mean the one is less addictive than the other, or that the one addiction is 'worse' than the other. They just fuck you up in different ways.

Thirdly, the distinction between 'soft' and 'hard' drugs is completely artificial. As such, a line drawn here is just as valid as a line drawn there - take your pick of which drugs you want on either side as you'll be just as correct as someone else. The fact is there are no 'safe' drugs, nor are there really any 'safer' drugs. It's just a matter of what risks you're willing to accept or find acceptable and which ones you're not willing to accept. Alcohol, after all, which isn't considered by many to be a drug does a lot more damage to society than crack, heroin, or meth does. And let's not forget nicotine!

I'm not sure what you mean by 'genuinely addictive'. It seems to me that something either is addictive, or it isn't. How can a drug be 'fakely' addictive?

I'm not going to defend past and current drug education. In my humble opinion it's pretty messed up with twisted truths, half lies, and little more than scare tactics. It talks down to people, is incomplete and - truth be told - doesn't jive all that well with what we all see as we see it.

The sad fact of the matter is that, if you're susceptible to addiction, any drug is life-threateningly dangerous to you. By the time you realize you've crossed over from a recreational user to a problem user, chances are you've already crossed over to an addicted user without realizing it. I know I had! So did all of my addict friends, as a matter of fact.

*steps away from the pulpit*

I hope that answered your question, even if it was in a round-about way.

Coke's great. It weeds stupid people out of the fucking gene pool.

just there you implied that.........



here you basically say that some people are altered while others are not.......and without a source claim that pot is safe.

Oh dear. Please...come back when you are more rational.

According to my health textbook, marijuana contains 28 carcinogens, lowers sperm count in guys, and impairs judgement and ability to drive, etc., like getting drunk.

Of course, this is the same health book that preaches morality in the STD chapter...

I don't know nor care about "sperm count" (really, who is so insecure that they're counting their fucking SPERM?), the carcinogens sounds fishy (smoking increases risk of cancer, regardless of what is smoked - but THC is not a carcinogen so I wonder what they're referring to if it "contains" carcinogens); and as for impairing judgement, that's bullshit. Same with ability to drive.

By comparing it to getting drunk, not only does it erroneously make marijuana look worse than it is, it makes getting drunk look less serious.

Sorry, that one doesn't fly with me. You may think you're judging fine while stoned (just like every drunk in the world thinks he's judging fine while drunk) but the odds are strongly against it.

I think I'm judging fine while stoned, while I'm sober.

if your judgment is impaired you don't really have the judgment to judge that.

True. And if your judgement is impaired you don't have the judgement to judge my impairment. We could go all day with this. The fact is, you'd have to show examples of me showing impaired judgement while stoned and you can't, because you don't know me or my experiences. Nor in fact do you have a good assessment of my baseline judgemental capabilities to compare my stoned judgemental capabilities even if you knew the latter.

Oh dear. Please...come back when you are more rational.


Your healthy book is scaremongering.

Carcinogens...that'll be smoking pot with baccy...not if you smoke it pure.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347

Sperm count...oh! Once more...10 to 1 that'll be the baccy!
http://www.cannabis.net/sperm/index.html




Ability to drive...same thing...depends on the person...

http://www.springerlink.com/content/3r1hxw24pg37fj3r/


I'm irrational?

True. And if your judgement is impaired you don't have the judgement to judge my impairment. We could go all day with this. The fact is, you'd have to show examples of me showing impaired judgement while stoned and you can't, because you don't know me or my experiences. Nor in fact do you have a good assessment of my baseline judgemental capabilities to compare my stoned judgemental capabilities even if you knew the latter.
I don't believe my judgment to be impaired. However someone who takes a psychoactive drug and claims that it does not affect them seems to have some sort of denial going on, either that or they are not a good judge of the effects.

I don't believe my judgment to be impaired. However someone who takes a psychoactive drug and claims that it does not affect them

That's a strawman. I never said it "doesn't affect" me. I said it doesn't impair my judgement.

Based on these definitions of judgement (Merriam Webster):

the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing
5 a : the capacity for judging : DISCERNMENT

I don't believe I have diminished capacity for either discernment or evaluation while on marijuana.

LOL!!! I'm just crap at most computer games!

Could be that you have played these games often enough that you know the layout and what comes next ...


Nope, it was Halo 2 on XBOX Live where I scored 20 consecutive sniper headshots without dying. This is on a night where I stumbled home on the shoulders of friends because I couldn't walk straight.

My point is that being able to play video games is nowhere near a sign of working hand-eye coordination.

That's a strawman. I never said it "doesn't affect" me. I said it doesn't impair my judgement.

Based on these definitions of judgement (Merriam Webster):



I don't believe I have diminished capacity for either discernment or evaluation while on marijuana.

Going on the personal testimony of someone's perception of their own judgement at a given time is fundamentally a poor idea. The only way to ascertain the truth of the matter involves scientific experimentation.

I don't believe I have diminished capacity for either discernment or evaluation while on marijuana.

Maybe you're smoking parsley and you don't know it.

That's a strawman. I never said it "doesn't affect" me. I said it doesn't impair my judgement.

Based on these definitions of judgement (Merriam Webster):

psychoactive drugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug

I'm irrational?

Yep. You see you have not even bothered to address your accusation that I am am liar. You made that accusation based on something I never said.

'Don't lie to people about the effects though, trying to rationalize it as "oh, but I am better at video games" sounds like you do have a problem with your own drug habits and you are trying to hide from that.'

Now had you not decided to become a teenager and spout this crap we could have happily debated the valid points you raised.

But I really see no point in discussion as you decided to go off the rails and called me liar.

I don't know nor care about "sperm count" (really, who is so insecure that they're counting their fucking SPERM?)

Probably the dumbest comment I've seen for a few days. A sperm count is a common phrase referring to, obviously, the amount of sperm a male has and thus their fertility. They are extremely common, especially among couples with trouble conceiving. If you ever want to be a (biological) father it is important. There is nothing insecure about getting one (though I never have). They can provide warnings for men who have low counts to change lifestyle factors.

psychoactive drugs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug

Thank you for that wiki article. How is it relevant to anything I've said?

I'm not gonna write your arguments for you.

Going on the personal testimony of someone's perception of their own judgement at a given time is fundamentally a poor idea. The only way to ascertain the truth of the matter involves scientific experimentation.

And yet you rely on your own perception and your own judgement all the time. Why should I be different?

Maybe you're smoking parsley and you don't know it.

Nah.

Yep. You see you have not even bothered to address your accusation that I am am liar. You made that accusation based on something I never said.

'Don't lie to people about the effects though, trying to rationalize it as "oh, but I am better at video games" sounds like you do have a problem with your own drug habits and you are trying to hide from that.'

Now had you not decided to become a teenager and spout this crap we could have happily debated the valid points you raised.

But I really see no point in discussion as you decided to go off the rails and called me liar.

so you are going to throw a fit and sit in the corner after I provided journal articles proving that you were lying about the effects of marijuana on the body and mind? yep, sounds about right.

Probably the dumbest comment I've seen for a few days. A sperm count is a common phrase referring to, obviously, the amount of sperm a male has

Gee, thanks for that. I guess that would be why I was referring to "counting" and "sperm," because maybe I know what a "sperm count" is.

Nope, it was Halo 2 on XBOX Live where I scored 20 consecutive sniper headshots without dying. This is on a night where I stumbled home on the shoulders of friends because I couldn't walk straight.

My point is that being able to play video games is nowhere near a sign of working hand-eye coordination.

Right...so to get 20 head shots in a row does not require hand eye co-ordination?? Please! Even with the greatest of luck I could not achieve that.

But you see it does also prove...that although you are legless you can still concentrate and succeed...there are others (like me) who would never be able to do that...drunk, stoned or sober...and I do play far too many games! LOL

Nah.

Obviously, if you say you're smoking marijuana, and you're not affected by it (in terms of judgment, perception, etc), then you're smoking some pretty weak shit.

Thank you for that wiki article. How is it relevant to anything I've said?

I'm not gonna write your arguments for you.

lets see if you can connect the dots

psychoactive drug ---> alters your perception -----> altered perception impairs judgment

And yet you rely on your own perception and your own judgement all the time. Why should I be different?



Because when using drugs you are altering the chemistry of the brain, and thereby altering the mechanisms by which you perceive the world and make judgements.

Science treats the unaltered state as the natural state for the brain, when you impregnate the brain with chemicals you're going to change stuff in it.

lets see if you can connect the dots

psychoactive drug ---> alters your perception -----> altered perception impairs judgment

Ah, I see, so anything that qualifies as "psychoactive" always alters your perception, and the manner of that alteration is always such that judgement is impaired. A nice little box you've got there. Do you drink coffee, perhaps?

Obviously, if you say you're smoking marijuana, and you're not affected by it (in terms of judgment, perception, etc), then you're smoking some pretty weak shit.

Ya know, if you and Smunkee want to continue banging on that strawman, that's fine, but I'm not going to indulge you both by pretending you're making an actual argument.

so you are going to throw a fit and sit in the corner after I provided journal articles proving that you were lying about the effects of marijuana on the body and mind? yep, sounds about right.

Why should I? You are very good at putting words in my mouth and bandying about accusations of liar. I'm not going to waste my time debating this with you if you are just going to turn around and make accusations on things that I never mentioned...and then call me a liar to boot.

I know this might be hard to get through your coke addled brain but such is life.

lets see if you can connect the dots

psychoactive drug ---> alters your perception -----> altered perception impairs judgment

He's perceiving this as an attack on himself, as his beliefs about his conscious state while on drugs are being challenged. He is writing in a very defensive fashion. I'm going to let him cool off

He's perceiving this as an attack on himself, as his beliefs about his conscious state while on drugs are being challenged. He is writing in a very defensive fashion. I'm going to let him cool off

hey, I think you are right, both of them are getting pretty defensive.

I said earlier, if you want to do drugs to them, but don't go around painting a picture that they are wholesome and good and never ever have bad effects.

Gee, thanks for that. I guess that would be why I was referring to "counting" and "sperm," because maybe I know what a "sperm count" is.

I was merely pointing out it was a self-explanatory phrase in common usage and that your comment: "I don't know nor care about "sperm count" painted you as a freaking moron, which you certainly appear to be.

Because when using drugs you are altering the chemistry of the brain, and thereby altering the mechanisms by which you perceive the world and make judgements.

But as I've already said, I'm not using drugs at the moment (or recently enough to affect me), so you can't dismiss my assertion based on that. My judgement is fine now and I am judging that my judgement while stoned was not impaired.

So, yes - I do perceive it as a personal attack, since people are arguing here that I must be wrong because a) I must be drugged-out and "impaired" and unable to think critically, b) I don't know what I'm talking about due to ignorance, c) I am simply stupid and can't "connect the dots".

very glad to hear it, man! :) :fluffle:

and merry xmas to you :)
Thanks, I hope you've had a pleasant Christmas as well. http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/umarm2.gif

And the switch really was necessary. I'm on 25mg right now and it's good, especially since I'm taking it a night now.

I said earlier, if you want to do drugs to them, but don't go around painting a picture that they are wholesome and good and never ever have bad effects.

Another strawman. I never said it "has no bad effects" or that all drugs are "wholesome and good." Maybe it's not me who's the one who has to "cool off" here.

I was merely pointing out it was a self-explanatory phrase in common usage and that your comment: "I don't know nor care about "sperm count" painted you as a freaking moron, which you certainly appear to be.

No, YOU are painting me as a "freaking moron." And even if not, even if I say something that "paints" me in such a way, do you think I care what some anonymous internet asshole like you has to say about it? How smart do you think you seem, kindly pointing out how other people seem dumb or "moronic" to you? I can't say I'm very impressed so far.

But as I've already said, I'm not using drugs at the moment (or recently enough to affect me), so you can't dismiss my assertion based on that. My judgement is fine now and I am judging that my judgement while stoned was not impaired.

So, yes - I do perceive it as a personal attack, since people are arguing here that I must be wrong because a) I must be drugged-out and "impaired" and unable to think critically, b) I don't know what I'm talking about due to ignorance, c) I am simply stupid and can't "connect the dots".

How can you judge your actions while stoned were not impaired? Your very memory of that time is distorted. But this is irrelevant since it is scientific fact that drug abuse alters the function of the brain, so there is no use arguing.

Another strawman. I never said it "has no bad effects" or that all drugs are "wholesome and good." Maybe it's not me who's the one who has to "cool off" here.



No, YOU are painting me as a "freaking moron." And even if not, even if I say something that "paints" me in such a way, do you think I care what some anonymous internet asshole like you has to say about it? How smart do you think you seem, kindly pointing out how other people seem dumb or "moronic" to you? I can't say I'm very impressed so far.

It is an opinion board, and you are debating my assertion you are an idiot so you obviously care enough to reply.

In all seriousness but, your sperm count comment was pure idiocy. I pointed out your idiocy and you should accept that and retract your initial comment. That is how you better yourself.

It is an opinion board, and you are debating my assertion you are an idiot so you obviously care enough to reply.

Maybe I'm just doing it to put you in your place, for the sake of others who are not quite such assholes and whose opinions I value a bit more than yours.

In all seriousness but, your sperm count comment was pure idiocy. I pointed out your idiocy and you should accept that and retract your initial comment. That is how you better yourself.

It wasn't idiocy, and I won't retract it. I'll even repeat it: I don't give a shit about sperm count.

How can you judge your actions while stoned were not impaired? Your very memory of that time is distorted. But this is irrelevant since it is scientific fact that drug abuse alters the function of the brain, so there is no use arguing.

"alters the function of brain" =/= "impairs judgement"

drug use =/= "drug abuse"

Since you people are all making the same arguments, maybe you could, I dunno, have a democratic vote. Select one among you to make that argument so that I only have to repeat myself every so often, instead of every post. That would be a more efficient use of your own time, and mine as well.

I've never done drugs for a few reasons, including that I've actually seen the body parts of people who have done them... they're not pretty. Oh dear. Please...come back when you are more rational.

Says the person who's making claims that fly in the face of evidence and reality.

Whether you feel it or recall feeling it, or not, drugs have a highly similar effect on you as they do on anyone else of the same species. There are of course minor differences, due to the genetic differences and so on; however, as long as you have a brain, a bloodstream, etc., drugs will affect those areas in you as much as they would in anyone else.

Seriously, everyone here needs to just lighten up and stop getting all defensive. If someone hits a nerve, or says something you disagree with, respond to it in a rational, civilised manner like an adult, as opposed to personal attacks (calling people idiots and liars) or unproven claims.

/2p

But as I've already said, I'm not using drugs at the moment (or recently enough to affect me), so you can't dismiss my assertion based on that. My judgement is fine now and I am judging that my judgement while stoned was not impaired.

Question; do you remember what exactly you were doing, thinking, etc. when last stoned? How are you judging (now) that your judgment (then) was functioning relatively normally or at least not impaired?

psychoactive drug ---> alters your perception -----> altered perception impairs judgment
Actually, not necessarily. While most psychoactive drugs alter perception, not all altered perception causes impairment of judgment. For instance, recently I went off antidepressants, and as a result my perception has been altered; but rather than impairing my judgment, this perception has actually restored it.

One cannot say that the antidepressants caused the former lack of judgment, as I started taking them due to a lack of judgment (of course, I was 15, and 15-year-olds are notorious for having no judgment whatsoever, but that's beside the point).

My point is, there are exceptions, so the rule should not be treated as an absolute.

Thanks, I hope you've had a pleasant Christmas as well. http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/umarm2.gif

yeah, it was ok.

And the switch really was necessary. I'm on 25mg right now and it's good, especially since I'm taking it a night now.


good :)
i take mine at all times in the day.... but i've forgotten to take it the last few days (been away with family etc) and have found myself today all moodswing-y and my general mood way lower than it has been... just little things setting me off back to the same old feeling :(
not good.

Question; do you remember what exactly you were doing, thinking, etc. when last stoned? How are you judging (now) that your judgment (then) was functioning relatively normally or at least not impaired?

I basically do, yes, but of course no one can remember their every thought for any given time, stoned or no.

I evaluate my judgement based on several things. First and foremost, my actions and behaviour. I have had instances where I was drunk, for example, and wanted (and thought I could) drive - later upon sobriety, I would evaluate my judgement as having definitely been impaired. However, I don't have a similar experience with marijuana; no experience where, upon coming down from the high, I did a double-take and realized my judgement was impaired.
I've also had numerous times when I've done "normal" activities while stoned with no ill effects or noticable decrease in performance.
Second, my memory of the thought patterns at times when stoned, or not stoned, tells me that I have good discernment in both cases. But of course maybe that's "distorted."

And the switch really was necessary. I'm on 25mg right now and it's good, especially since I'm taking it a night now.

I dropped down gradually to zero a short time ago. The result was a very rough period, lasting about 3 weeks (I spent most of that time sleeping, throwing things at people who tried to talk to me, feeling depressed, etc.). Then one day I walked outside; it was raining (I know, cliche) and the squirrels were still running around collecting acorns, some within an arm's length of me. At that point I realised I had more important things to worry about than my own problems -- sort of like waking up and realising what life is all about, or whatever the soap opera cliche is -- and have been fine ever since.

PM, suddenly stopping it is a very bad idea. If you want to remove yourself from the crutches of medication, you must taper it slowly, from whatever amount you're taking now by increments of 12-25 mg; each increment will take about 3-4 weeks to stabilise, so it takes about as long to get off as it does to get on. And, at a certain phase, you'll still need the meds to mentally survive, so perform a self-analysis with or without a therapist to determine that (if you -are- interested in cutting it). If you're not, then, I've just been rambling purposelessly and you can sort of ignore me or something... whatever.

I've never done drugs for a few reasons, including that I've actually seen the body parts of people who have done them... they're not pretty.

Says the person who's making claims that fly in the face of evidence and reality.

Whether you feel it or recall feeling it, or not, drugs have a highly similar effect on you as they do on anyone else of the same species. There are of course minor differences, due to the genetic differences and so on; however, as long as you have a brain, a bloodstream, etc., drugs will affect those areas in you as much as they would in anyone else.

Seriously, everyone here needs to just lighten up and stop getting all defensive. If someone hits a nerve, or says something you disagree with, respond to it in a rational, civilised manner like an adult, as opposed to personal attacks (calling people idiots and liars) or unproven claims.

/2p

Body parts in general are not pretty. Your point being?

Fly in the face of reality and evidence?

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=1390&aid=22

PM, suddenly stopping it is a very bad idea. If you want to remove yourself from the crutches of medication, you must taper it slowly, from whatever amount you're taking now by increments of 12-25 mg; each increment will take about 3-4 weeks to stabilise, so it takes about as long to get off as it does to get on. And, at a certain phase, you'll still need the meds to mentally survive, so perform a self-analysis with or without a therapist to determine that (if you -are- interested in cutting it). If you're not, then, I've just been rambling purposelessly and you can sort of ignore me or something... whatever.

:p it really hasn't been intentional, and i don't want to stop at all... my doctor recommended another 6 to 9 months on them. its just been a matter of not having them handy, being out of my normal routine, being away, etc. in fact, i just took one now :)

Trostia, as marijuana is a "soft" drug, it may have to build up significantly in the brain before causing visible deleterious effects. Someone should check up on this with actual sources (I'm going by my own rather fuzzy memory of health courses and books on the subject), but if you don't take it that often, it probably won't affect you noticeably for a while.
Second, my memory of the thought patterns at times when stoned, or not stoned, tells me that I have good discernment in both cases. But of course maybe that's "distorted."
It is likely distorted; it's been scientifically proven that highs do cause visual and frequently mental distortion, presumably by people who don't do drugs.

I've never done drugs for a few reasons, including that I've actually seen the body parts of people who have done them... they're not pretty.



For instance, recently I went off antidepressants, and as a result my perception has been altered; but rather than impairing my judgment, this perception has actually restored it.

One cannot say that the antidepressants caused the former lack of judgment, as I started taking them due to a lack of judgment (of course, I was 15, and 15-year-olds are notorious for having no judgment whatsoever, but that's beside the point).


Never done drugs? Right!

Trostia, as marijuana is a "soft" drug, it may have to build up significantly in the brain before causing visible deleterious effects. Someone should check up on this with actual sources (I'm going by my own rather fuzzy memory of health courses and books on the subject), but if you don't take it that often, it probably won't affect you noticeably for a while.

As far as I'm aware of, the most "deleterious" effects of marijuana use comes from the act of smoking itself - emphazyma, cancer, etc.

My personal experience is varied and veteran. I've had periods of doing it in high doses, frequently, and periods of infrequent and moderate use, and periods of not doing it at all.

It is likely distorted; it's been scientifically proven that highs do cause visual and frequently mental distortion, presumably by people who don't do drugs.

Visual distortion typically comes in the form of a "shiny" quality to lights and, to a lesser degree, other things. It's minimal and non-impairing. Mental distortion? I guess that depends on what you mean by "distortion." In this case, when talking about my memory, "distortion" seems to mean "unreliable," and I would argue against this.

Body parts in general are not pretty. Your point being?
My point is that, while healthy body parts look just that -- healthy -- those affected by drugs don't look quite as healthy. Lungs of a marijuana+tobacco smoker looked as though they had turned to coal; they were shrunken and blackened (non-cancerous). The brain of an alcohol user had large areas where the nerve cells had died, leaving big black splotches across the normally pink and grey brain. Etc.

That's just my own personal rationale for avoiding drugs however; it has little bearing on whether other people should take them or not.


Fly in the face of reality and evidence?

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=1390&aid=22
"They were young, so we didn’t follow them along enough to observe subsequent risk of developing cancer. Even if we did, the sample was too small to assess the risk of cancer. So that really wasn’t our intent, our intent was to describe what changes are proven and then to relate those changes to risks that have been associated with those changes in other studies, not in our study. "


"I wouldn’t consider these positive results. I would consider these to be neutral results; we failed to find a positive association, so I don’t think that’s a positive result. You could consider it to be a negative result, but you know you can never prove the negative; you can only fail to prove the positive. I don’t consider this to be a definitive study; there are a lot of limitations in this study. One is that there was a higher rate of refusal among the cases, so there could have been a selection bias. And the other is that the recall of marijuana use could have been erroneous. The patients may have reported that they used more than they really did or less than they really did and that over and under reporting could have differed between different cases and controls and that could have affected the results. So it’s not a conclusive study, but it is, I think, an important study because the fact that it was designed as well as we could to minimize the biases and we failed to find a positive association."

Congratulations, they just proved that a) marijuana has little short-term effect and b) people who claim not to have used it have lung, head, or neck cancer. Neither of these studies is anything near conclusive, let alone positive. Besides, drugs tend to affect the brain more than they affect the lungs (unless you believe your perception and judgment originates in your lungs).

Never done drugs? Right!

In case it wasn't clear, I was talking about non-prescription, frequently abused, and in many places illegal drugs -- the common use of the term. If you want to twist my words into strawmen, go right ahead.

No, alcohol is tradition. In a bottle!

Anyways, must we expand the definition of "drug" to include everything enjoyable? Must we? I mean, come on, caffeine and sugar sure as hell shouldn't be considered drugs, and alcohol is borderline. I know that it was always taught as something separate from other drugs when I was in school.


Caffeine can be more addicting then a lot of other drugs. Some people have to have it each day!! Even if you only have to have a soda a day that's still addiction...

yeah, it was ok.

good :)
i take mine at all times in the day.... but i've forgotten to take it the last few days (been away with family etc) and have found myself today all moodswing-y and my general mood way lower than it has been... just little things setting me off back to the same old feeling :(
not good.
Ooh - not good! Glad you remembered to take'em now, though.
I got myself one of those neat pill things with 4 slots/day to store my stuff in because sometimes I tend to forget to take them... Almost like an old man :p

(Which reminds me - I still need to take tonight's pills http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/pills.gif)

In case it wasn't clear, I was talking about non-prescription, frequently abused, and in many places illegal drugs -- the common use of the term. If you want to twist my words into strawmen, go right ahead.

Its not nice is it?

:p it really hasn't been intentional, and i don't want to stop at all... my doctor recommended another 6 to 9 months on them. its just been a matter of not having them handy, being out of my normal routine, being away, etc. in fact, i just took one now :)
I suppose doctors do know better than random internet people, so I'll shut up now....
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/pills.gif

^ Me like. [/Czardaian Anteater of Approval]

Its not nice is it?
What? :confused:

I wasn't strawmanning you, I was pointing out that your claims were in direct opposition to the evidence. If you can show me any better evidence that drugs don't really have that much of an effect on the brain, I will retract my comments. Unlike some people, I know how to concede if I'm shown to be wrong (which is usually because i neglected to check up on the evidence before responding).

What? :confused:

I wasn't strawmanning you, I was pointing out that your claims were in direct opposition to the evidence. If you can show me any better evidence that drugs don't really have that much of an effect on the brain, I will retract my comments. Unlike some people, I know how to concede if I'm shown to be wrong (which is usually because i neglected to check up on the evidence before responding).

I was referencing that daft coke fiend.

Also I never stated that 'drugs' do not affect the brain or any other part of the body.

I do psychedelics (yaknow, mushrooms, dmt, lsd, pot). And don't try to tell me not to. I didn't start doing this kind of thing until I was 22 and by then I'd done all the research. Suffice it to say that advil is (physically) far more dangerous than lsd, and it doesn't cause "holes in your brain", "permanent trips", "low spinal fluid", or any other bullshit. Of course it can turn your brain inside out . . . but I enjoy that :D

Your healthy book is scaremongering.

Carcinogens...that'll be smoking pot with baccy...not if you smoke it pure.

Sperm count...oh! Once more...10 to 1 that'll be the baccy!

Impairs judgement...hmmm possible...depends on the person.

Ability to drive...same thing...depends on the person...

However there does seem to be some credence given to the psychological influence of the stronger types of weed like skunk. These are artificially grown to make very strong strains of skunk.

Some people can handle it while others can't.

Very well. I committed a horrific inaccuracy and deserve to be crucified. I am referencing this ^, for which you have provided no proof, and against which there is scientific evidence showing that all of these things are in fact affected by drugs (tobacco counts as a drug, by the way).

Also I never stated that 'drugs' do not affect the brain or any other part of the body.
You stated that they affect different parts of the brain for different people (which makes little scientific sense) and implied that some people were unaffected, possibly unintentionally; as proof you cited an article pointing out the possible effects of marijuana on developing lung cancer, and I fail to see how that is related. Perhaps you could clarify for me.

I think a better question would be, "what is the extent to which marijuana effects judgment?" It is going to range from not at all, to severely, and from personal experience I'm going to assert that it's effect on judgment is not zero. At the same time, its effects could be such that even when really baked, one could still perform better than another driver with say, a .079 BAC. Of course this depends on the individual. Any psychoactive drug has some type of effect on judgment, be it positive or negative, but it may be negligible when it comes to driving, like caffeine.

You stated that they affect different parts of the brain for different people (which makes little scientific sense) and implied that some people were unaffected, possibly unintentionally; as proof you cited an article pointing out the possible effects of marijuana on developing lung cancer, and I fail to see how that is related. Perhaps you could clarify for me.

His mind must be fuzzy from all the pot ;)

Normally I'd take issue with what you said (a few of the things he said are backed up, to some extent, scientifically) but I'm too lazy to go upstairs and find the photocopied journal entries.

Amotivational Syndrome (bullshit diagnosis, btw) ftw!!!!!!111!!

Cannabis' effects are poorly understood at best. This is best shown with the varying results produced with recent cannabis-based pain medications, some of which were shown to actually increase the level of pain for certain subjects. While certain effects will almost never, if ever happen, e.g. quicker reaction times, you can't say the drug has a standard effect on everyone. Hell, that's clearly visible if you've ever smoked up with anyone, or seen two people who've smoked up together. It's true in the long term too - as a personal example, I know people who've been smoking for 20 years who are fine and one of my former flatmates who's suffered several psychotic breaks brought about by smoking up. I know it's not scientific, but there are research articles to back it up knocking around somewhere. New Scientist told me so :)

...All depends on how you use it. Personally, I've been capitalizing on the more profound psychedelic experiences from my adolescence for - oh, twenty years, now. And I continue to smoke dope daily, as both a reward for a hard day's work, and as a creative tool to stimulate lateral association.

Generating thirty million dollars in sales in one year can't be all bad, now can it?

Very well. I committed a horrific inaccuracy and deserve to be crucified. I am referencing this ^, for which you have provided no proof, and against which there is scientific evidence showing that all of these things are in fact affected by drugs (tobacco counts as a drug, by the way).


You stated that they affect different parts of the brain for different people (which makes little scientific sense) and implied that some people were unaffected, possibly unintentionally; as proof you cited an article pointing out the possible effects of marijuana on developing lung cancer, and I fail to see how that is related. Perhaps you could clarify for me.

No. You just perpetuated the coke fiends lie. But sod it 'eh? Shit happens.

At least you did not start out with 'liar'!

Having re-acquainted myself with some of the more modern research it looks like there are carcinogens in pot. Fair enough. However it seems like many are water soluble. Therefore smoking via a water pipe reduces the risk.

I hasten to add that the last time I looked into this was more than 20 years ago and back then many of the studies we were told as gospel turned out to be seriously flawed (joints with tobacco for example).

Funnily enough the same goes with the sperm count. They tried that as well as a scare tactic. Now this I have not had a chance to look into the subject in much detail at the moment. So cannot comment on the veracity of that research.

Impairs judgement - some people can take it some can't. Same with booze...or any other drug. And given that doctors have performed surgery under the influence...well...I am not going to say that everyone is affected to the point of uselessness. Because that is false. The same goes with driving. There are people who have been driving stoned and never had an accident..and others who do not drive stoned and have accidents.

(Further on I make the video game ref - My comment was as an interest in which has worse effects....booze or pot...obviously someone who's dropped a few tabs of acid ain't driving me anywhere!)

As for affecting seperate parts of the brain....nope sorry...you have me confused with someone else...

See...when things are civil and reasonable debate can be achieved.

PM, suddenly stopping it is a very bad idea. If you want to remove yourself from the crutches of medication, you must taper it slowly,

I completely agree. And I should know - I've been to a lot of inquests of people who've killed themself 1-2 weeks after suddenly coming off medication. Usually people who'd been through a rough time but seemed to be improving.

man imso stoned right now.

:D :headbang: :gundge: :confused: :upyours:

:D :headbang: :gundge: :confused: :upyours:
Congrats on a noobgasmic post.

Congrats on a noobgasmic post.

i used to post when stoned a lot at uni. apparently people could tell *shiftyeyes*

i used to post when stoned a lot at uni. apparently people could tell *shiftyeyes*

given the repetition on here (esp. political threads) i'd assumed everyone was posting stoned...

i used to post when stoned a lot at uni. apparently people could tell *shiftyeyes*

Maybe you said things like "man imso stoned right now."

man i find it hard to type somtimes. i shouldnt have taken that much Coricidin. should have stayed with the weed.

Oh man, last night I got so fucking wasted and I guess around 3am I smoked a joint.

That was so.. not very fun. :(