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Bob Dylan, Legend or not?

Smegsenland
24-12-2006, 14:01
I've spoken to alot of my friends and they either havent heard of Bob Dylan or think he sucks. I absolutely love Dylan and his music, i no every1 will have different opinions and i'm not forcing people to like him, i'm just saying people should at least know who he is and how important he is. I'd like to know other people's opinion on him, whether they like him or not:p
Markreich
24-12-2006, 14:13
Besides being an incredible performer, Bob is a prolific writer and has no doubt been responsible for at least some of the music you like. He's been solo, in Joan Baez, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Al Kooper, The Band, Rolling Thunder Revue, Traveling Wilburys, The Grateful Dead, & Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

Songs like Highway 61, Hard Rain's gonna fall, Like a rolling stone, All Along the Watchtower (which he gave to Jimi Hendrix), and literally hundreds of others are a major influence on the musical landscape.

I put him up there with Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, Elvis,The Beatles and many other of the early rock acts... only he's like the Rolling Stones and is still at it!

Legend? Yeah!!
Dobbsworld
24-12-2006, 14:15
Well, if your friends haven't heard of Bob Dylan, they're in dire need of being laughed at. And of having fingers pointed at them while being laughed at, as well.
Smegsenland
24-12-2006, 14:17
i completley agree!
Smegsenland
24-12-2006, 14:21
what should i tell or more like say to my friends?
GoodThoughts
24-12-2006, 15:35
what should i tell or more like say to my friends?

Your friends need to listen to his early electric stuff. He may sounded a bit dated at first, but keep listening and they will hear the voice of rock, pop, folk genius.
Hydesland
24-12-2006, 15:37
If purely on a musical level, is songs are revolutionary but not to everyones tastes.

However he influenced shit loads of musicians, including the Beatles and the bands in their era.
Danmarc
24-12-2006, 15:46
I am not particularly a fan of Dylan's works,(not that I have a dislike either) but you regularly see him from TV show references, to being sited as a "musical inspiration", to mentions in movies (Dangerous Minds is an excellent example), to various other mentions.....Thus, Bob Dylan has become a part life for millions, and in my mind has definitely reached "legend status".. I think the ultimate testament to this is that I, as a non-fan, acknowledge this.....
GoodThoughts
24-12-2006, 15:52
He does meet the standard for legend IMO. He was for a time the single biggest influence on popular music. He was the voice and conscious of a generation of Americans and young adults the world over.
RubberLove
24-12-2006, 16:23
I don't like Dylan's music at all, but i like psychobilly and punk so it's a bit diffrent from "my" taste.
Letila
24-12-2006, 17:01
I've only heard a handful of his songs, so I really can't say. He doesn't particularly intrigue me but he doesn't repulse me, either.
Daverana
24-12-2006, 17:08
Let me guess, your friends all buy whatever MTV tells them to.
The Pacifist Womble
24-12-2006, 17:10
I've spoken to alot of my friends and they either havent heard of Bob Dylan or think he sucks. I absolutely love Dylan and his music, i no every1 will have different opinions and i'm not forcing people to like him, i'm just saying people should at least know who he is and how important he is. I'd like to know other people's opinion on him, whether they like him or not:p
You must be <14.

Bob Dylan is great and everyone knows it.
Arinola
24-12-2006, 17:49
Bob Dylan is a fantastic writer,an amazing musician and in my opinion a legend.Your friends are fools and need to be slapped across the face.
Kiryu-shi
24-12-2006, 17:55
I only know two of his albums (The Times They are Changing, Nashville Skyline), but I would consider him a legend for his tremendous influence on his generation.
Johnny B Goode
25-12-2006, 03:47
I've spoken to alot of my friends and they either havent heard of Bob Dylan or think he sucks. I absolutely love Dylan and his music, i no every1 will have different opinions and i'm not forcing people to like him, i'm just saying people should at least know who he is and how important he is. I'd like to know other people's opinion on him, whether they like him or not:p

Feh. His accent is a little weird.

PS: Don't bold your whole post.
Knight of Nights
25-12-2006, 03:56
He surely deserves legend status. He is one of the mavericks of modern music development.
The Judas Panda
25-12-2006, 03:57
I recommend taking a wet fish and slapping your friends in the face with it while singing knocking on heavens door. Dylan is a legend for his influence even if you don't like his music, I don't like all of it but he has more than enough to satisfy me for an hour or two.

Edit 1:Out of curiousity do your friends have the same view of Led Zeppelin? If so use a very very large fish and don't stop until they're dead or realise the error of their ways.

Edit 2:Just noticed where you're from, I'm from Scotland and have to say the amount of people in the UK who know about good music and not prepackaged crud is very depressing.
New Stalinberg
25-12-2006, 05:58
Bob Dylan sucks. I hate this man A LOT.

Bob Dylan isn't even is real name. He got "Dylan" from some piece of shit poet from the 1910s who died of alchohol poisoning at the age of 20 something. What the hell kind of inspiration is some drunkard poet? Answer me that.

He can't find a fucking genre to stick to. He switches from folk, to country, to rock, etc. and then switches again. Call it versitile. Call it talented. I don't care, I think it's pretty lame that he can't find one style of music he permanently sticks with.

His voice; you know it sucks. He may be able to hit the notes, but he sounds awful. Listen to, "Honey just allow me one more chance" and I think you'l see what I'm talking about.

"BUT HE WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC!!!!!!!11111111ONE" So? Lots of other musicians do. Doesn't make him a legend by any stretch of the imagination.

He can play the harmonica though. That's hardcore.
Neo Undelia
25-12-2006, 06:11
Most overrated musician in history.
Batuni
25-12-2006, 07:06
Yeah, Dylan rocks.

Not to mention he's been an influence on half the stuff that influenced practically anything you listen to.
Lunatic Goofballs
25-12-2006, 07:14
Dylan was the ultimate songwriter. He had a talent with word and rhythm that defied description. Oddly enough, most of the best performances of his best work are done by other people. His songs call to people who take them and make them their own.
Batuni
25-12-2006, 07:17
Bob Dylan sucks. I hate this man A LOT.

Bob Dylan isn't even is real name. He got "Dylan" from some piece of shit poet from the 1910s who died of alchohol poisoning at the age of 20 something. What the hell kind of inspiration is some drunkard poet? Answer me that.

Yeah, his name was Robert Zimmerman, so what?
If the poet you're referring to is, by any chance, Dylan Thomas, the highly influential Welsh poet who died in 1953, then, well, he's quite an inspiration indeed. Got any real reason why he's not?


He can't find a fucking genre to stick to. He switches from folk, to country, to rock, etc. and then switches again. Call it versitile. Call it talented. I don't care, I think it's pretty lame that he can't find one style of music he permanently sticks with.


So... he's required to stick to one genre for the entirity of his career? I'd call that unimaginative, myself. Limited, even. Someone who can successfully traverse genres? Hardly lame.


His voice; you know it sucks. He may be able to hit the notes, but he sounds awful. Listen to, "Honey just allow me one more chance" and I think you'l see what I'm talking about.

Well, that's opinion, suit yourself.


"BUT HE WRITES HIS OWN MUSIC!!!!!!!11111111ONE" So? Lots of other musicians do. Doesn't make him a legend by any stretch of the imagination.

He can play the harmonica though. That's hardcore.

Nooo, he's legendary for the sheer number of artists he's influenced over the years, including the Beatles, Lou Reed, Springsteen, Bowie, Floyd, etc.
Lunatic Goofballs
25-12-2006, 07:21
Bob Dylan sucks. I hate this man A LOT.

Bob Dylan isn't even is real name. He got "Dylan" from some piece of shit poet from the 1910s who died of alchohol poisoning at the age of 20 something. What the hell kind of inspiration is some drunkard poet? Answer me that.

He can't find a fucking genre to stick to. He switches from folk, to country, to rock, etc. and then switches again. Call it versitile. Call it talented. I don't care, I think it's pretty lame that he can't find one style of music he permanently sticks with.

Oddly enough, I consider these to be positives. :p
Batuni
25-12-2006, 07:43
Oddly enough, I consider these to be positives. :p

Well, that must be because you're a lunatic. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
25-12-2006, 07:46
Well, that must be because you're a lunatic. :)

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-005.gif
Zarakon
25-12-2006, 07:48
Dude, he inspired the name of a group of militant radicals. He is FTW.
UpwardThrust
25-12-2006, 07:49
Dylan was the ultimate songwriter. He had a talent with word and rhythm that defied description. Oddly enough, most of the best performances of his best work are done by other people. His songs call to people who take them and make them their own.

I agree he does have some groundbreaking work ... which usually sounds better when other people perform it.

He had a good brain on him but I cant stand to listen to HIM sing any of his music for too long ...
Hobos That Read
25-12-2006, 09:14
You must be <14.

Whatever, man. Quite a few people I know, being pre-dominantly 14 year olds know and like/love Bob Dylan, needless to say I don't go to a school with very many gangsters,
Hobos That Read
25-12-2006, 09:17
Dude, he inspired the name of a group of militant radicals. He is FTW.

Dude? WTF? Who would this be?
Dobbsworld
25-12-2006, 10:04
Dude? WTF? Who would this be?

If Zarakon is thinking of the 'Weather Underground' (or the 'Weathermen'), he's got it the wrong way 'round.
MrMopar
25-12-2006, 10:07
He kicks ass. I'm named after him, so he must be cool. He also wrote My Back Pages.
Branin
25-12-2006, 10:19
I'm not a huge fan. I don't dislike Dylan by any means, just not at the top of my list of things to listen to. However, he's legend, and rightfully so. He may be "good". Or not, that is a matter of taste, however, he was without a doubt "great".
Purple Android
25-12-2006, 10:31
I've spoken to alot of my friends and they either havent heard of Bob Dylan or think he sucks. I absolutely love Dylan and his music, i no every1 will have different opinions and i'm not forcing people to like him, i'm just saying people should at least know who he is and how important he is. I'd like to know other people's opinion on him, whether they like him or not:p

I don't think any act other than The Beatles and Elvis Presley have been as influnetial as Bob Dylan has been. He formed new genres of music, was probably the greatest lyricist that ever existed and has created several of rock and folks greatest albums. There is abosolutely no question that Bob Dyaln is one of music's greatest artists.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939214/the_immortals_the_first_fifty
Einsteinian Big-Heads
25-12-2006, 11:57
I believe that Bob Dylan is irrefutably the greatest singer-songwriter of all time.
Bodies Without Organs
25-12-2006, 12:38
He's been ... in Joan Baez...

Fnarr.
The Pacifist Womble
25-12-2006, 16:45
Bob Dylan is not one of my favourite artists, but I like to listen to him, and you must respect the influence he has had.

Most overrated musician in history.
Elvis Presley
Kurt Cobain
Wolfgang Mozart
Axl Rose

are more overrated
Ravea
25-12-2006, 16:51
I'm Jazz, so Dylan isn't my type at all. I hate his kind of music.

He's a great songwriter, though.
GoodThoughts
25-12-2006, 17:03
I'm Jazz, so Dylan isn't my type at all. I hate his kind of music.

He's a great songwriter, though.

What's your favorite Jazz style and artist?
Zarakon
25-12-2006, 17:20
If Zarakon is thinking of the 'Weather Underground' (or the 'Weathermen'), he's got it the wrong way 'round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29


The name Weatherman was derived from the Bob Dylan song “Subterranean Homesick Blues”, which featured the lyrics “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”
Ravea
25-12-2006, 23:22
What's your favorite Jazz style and artist?

Well....I love Bebop, and Thelonious Monk is my favorite player...but that's probably becuase I'm a piano player myself.

Mile Davis's free jazz and fusion work is pretty incredible, and I've always been a fan of Herbie Hancock as well (The young one, not the old one.)
GoodThoughts
26-12-2006, 02:38
Well....I love Bebop, and Thelonious Monk is my favorite player...but that's probably becuase I'm a piano player myself.

Mile Davis's free jazz and fusion work is pretty incredible, and I've always been a fan of Herbie Hancock as well (The young one, not the old one.)

Have you ever listened to Los Hombres Calientes. Very hot group. Rhythem guy used to be with Herbie. I am more partial to Jazz trumpet like Dizzzy, Marsalis, of course, Clifford Brown, Artuo Sandavol.
Desperate Measures
26-12-2006, 10:58
Yo man. Your friends need to jump down a manhole and light themselves a candle.
Ravea
26-12-2006, 22:51
Have you ever listened to Los Hombres Calientes. Very hot group. Rhythem guy used to be with Herbie. I am more partial to Jazz trumpet like Dizzzy, Marsalis, of course, Clifford Brown, Artuo Sandavol.

I've heard a little of their stuff, but not much; I'm not really into modern Jazz or Afro-Cuban myself. Jason Marsalis is in that one, right?

I forgot to mention Gil Evans and Mingus, too.

*Bonks self on head*
Sumamba Buwhan
26-12-2006, 22:54
He's been solo, in Joan Baez...

Well everyone was in Joan Baez back then, but solo!?!? That IS an accomplishment.

btw I like Bob Dylan and think he is a great song writer and performer as well. He's made quite a mark on the musical world.
Farnhamia
26-12-2006, 22:55
Bob Dylan is not one of my favourite artists, but I like to listen to him, and you must respect the influence he has had.


Elvis Presley
Kurt Cobain
Wolfgang Mozart
Axl Rose

are more overrated

Mozart is overrated? I'll give you that he's been overhyped, but the man was a friggin' genius. Which is not to say that there aren't other musical geniuses out there, but overrated? I think not. Now, Kurt Cobain is only famous for screwing what's her name, the sloppy blonde, and then blowing his brains out. That's overrated. (But I suspect there's a number of years in age between us, so we'll agree to disagree, shall we?)
Bunnyducks
26-12-2006, 22:58
Well, singularly most brilliant lyricist.

And if I may ask... If there is/are enthusiast(s) out there reading this... I'm willing to trade. 1250+ Dylan bootlegs waiting. :D

TG me.
Cosmo Island
27-12-2006, 00:21
What the hell kind of inspiration is some drunkard poet? Answer me that.

A drunk poet? Surely some mistake. Whatever next, a model with an eating disorder?

As for Mr Zimmerman, it's hard to deny his status as the inventor of folk rock and one of the most influential artists ever. I wouldn't call him a legend, because I think legends have to be dead.
Drunk commies deleted
27-12-2006, 00:56
Dylan is a great lyricist, but judging from the one time I saw him live, a truly shitty performer. I've heard people cover his songs, and they're great. He, however, sang so badly it sounded like a parody of himself.
Kinda Sensible people
27-12-2006, 01:06
I prefer Phil Ochs. I find Dylan's voice grating. Now, when Peter, Paul, and Mary preform Dylan, then it's pretty good.
Mikelvania
27-12-2006, 01:32
Regardless of whether or not you like Dylan, i think its hard to deny his legendary status. Just like how while i'm not particularly fond of country music, i still can acknowledge that Hank Williams is a legend.
CthulhuFhtagn
27-12-2006, 01:40
Dylan is a legend. He just can't sing.