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I've been debating on a few topics recently that discuss body image, body mass index, weight and eating disorders. This is something I am passionate about, so I'm going to ask what everybody classifies as healthy.
Are curves beautiful, womanly and natural?
Are women meant to be thin?
What size should women be?
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I think a women should be able to maintain her weight through healthy eating and some exercise. Healthy eating means not eating under the recommended caloric intake, which is around 2000 for a female. I also think women should not have to starve themselves to look a certain way.

To me, and my fiance, this is "average, normal and healthy" (and beautiful):

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[B]Your thoughts? Provide images if you want!

I think a women should be able to maintain her weight through healthy eating and some exercise. Healthy eating means not eating under the recommended caloric intake, which is around 2000 for a female. I also think women should not have to starve themselves to look a certain way.


I don't need to eat that much food. 2000 calories would be a lot of food for me to eat, and I think it varies by size and activity levels, anyway. I eat 1500-1800 calories a day, which does not starve myself and gives me plenty of energy. I am underweight, but not unnaturally or unhealthily so.

I also have a question. Are the sizes in the link dress sizes or shirt sizes?

I think whilst love is blind it will eventually put on glasses. There is just a limit to how ugly one person can be. Some are lucky and are born lucky. Some can eat junk all day and stay thin. Some look at a pictue of a potato chip and they gain weight. I like women with curves. I like it a lot. I see pictures of supermdels and think "dear god these women are fifty percent made in china" They all look like they're plastic. I hate that. Being too thin is easy. DON'T BE THIN!!! Be toned. It's totaly different. Instead of starving yourself eat healthy and exercise hard. Work hard play easy. Anything cardio will do it. Swimming will improve your whole fitness level and your stamina but also go for something that builds the muscle more like dancing for girly girls or martial arts for tomboys. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. BMI's are crap as they were based on studies from decades ago and they dont take into account bone density or the amount of muscle to fat. Muscle is three times heavier than fat. Women should stop trying to look good and start trying to feel good. Then again i'll admit i'm just a pathetic 15 year old fat ass virgin living vicariously through myspace so i'm probably just talking through my ass. My definition of the perfect woman: strong, independant, dark (dyed) red hair, blue and/or green eyes, medium to tall height wise, fit, medium build and also must be able to literally kick the living fuck out of me. She must be able to best me in combat. If i found a woman who had those qualities i would immediately marry her. Oh and she has to be romantic still. Then again i'm different to a lot of other guys.

I think whilst love is blind it will eventually put on glasses. There is just a limit to how ugly one person can be. Some are lucky and are born lucky. Some can eat junk all day and stay thin. Some look at a pictue of a potato chip and they gain weight. I like women with curves. I like it a lot. I see pictures of supermdels and think "dear god these women are fifty percent made in china" They all look like they're plastic. I hate that. Being too thin is easy. DON'T BE THIN!!! Be toned. It's totaly different. Instead of starving yourself eat healthy and exercise hard. Work hard play easy. Anything cardio will do it. Swimming will improve your whole fitness level and your stamina but also go for something that builds the muscle more like dancing for girly girls or martial arts for tomboys. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. BMI's are crap as they were based on studies from decades ago and they dont take into account bone density or the amount of muscle to fat. Muscle is three times heavier than fat. Women should stop trying to look good and start trying to feel good. Then again i'll admit i'm just a pathetic 15 year old fat ass virgin living vicariously through myspace so i'm probably just talking through my ass. My definition of the perfect woman: strong, independant, dark (dyed) red hair, blue and/or green eyes, medium to tall height wise, fit, medium build and also must be able to literally kick the living fuck out of me. She must be able to best me in combat. If i found a woman who had those qualities i would immediately marry her. Oh and she has to be romantic still. Then again i'm different to a lot of other guys.

And do you think that this ideal woman should accept your body type as it is?
I think the stereotypes of how men are meant to look are unfair too!

I don't need to eat that much food. 2000 calories would be a lot of food for me to eat, and I think it varies by size and activity levels, anyway. I eat 1500-1800 calories a day, which does not starve myself and gives me plenty of energy. I am underweight, but not unnaturally or unhealthily so.

I also have a question. Are the sizes in the link dress sizes or shirt sizes?

They are just general sizes. Shirt and dress sizes are usually the same.

I like the OP, and dislike anorexia. I feel sorry for the sufferers.

http://omeuescape.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/anorexia41.jpg

I like the OP, and dislike anorexia. I feel sorry for the sufferers.

What is OP?
Sadly, Anorexia Nervosa, like other eating disorders, is rather hard to recover from.

http://omeuescape.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/anorexia41.jpg

That image is actually photoshopped.

They are just general sizes. Shirt and dress sizes are usually the same.

Okay. I think I wear like a 4 or a 6 in US dress sizes, but I usually wear large or medium shirts because I don't like tight clothing and the smalls are usually too short.

Okay. I think I wear like a 4 or a 6 in US dress sizes, but I usually wear large or medium shirts because I don't like tight clothing and the smalls are usually too short.

Size and shape of garments differ so much, so I understand what you mean.

That image is actually photoshopped.

But she's sooooooooooo hot.

But she's sooooooooooo hot.

Totally! :headbang:

To my knowledge I don't think that most anorexics starve themselves to become attractive. I have heard that they are after an elusive, mystical ideal of being "weightless". So it's basically like a suicide cult.

To my knowledge I don't think that most anorexics starve themselves to become attractive. I have heard that they are after an elusive, mystical ideal of being "weightless". So it's basically like a suicide cult.

Your knowledge is quite limited.

This is the ED support community that I'm in: http://community.livejournal.com/aussie_ana/profile
It does not promote starvation, eating disordered behaviour or triggering images. I am yet to witness a member who wants to be "weightless", but many members, including myself, do not have eating disorders purely because they want to look a certain way. I want to be curvy, but sometimes I still find it hard to keep my food down. It's a mental thing.

And do you think that this ideal woman should accept your body type as it is?
I think the stereotypes of how men are meant to look are unfair too!

I totally agree with you. I would think she was perfect but that's everything i would want to be and everything i'd want in a person i'd spend the rest of my life with. And she wouldn't accept my body. She'd whip my ass and get me to the gym cause she's my ambition. She'd be my other half.

Your knowledge is quite limited.

I admit, this is an area in which I am completely ignorant.

I admit, this is an area in which I am completely ignorant.


I will also admit i know nothing of what i speak.

Fortunaly, us guys have it easier. Why? Because, as we get older, we actually get more atractive, unlike women.

And I dont mean it because of money, but because of personality. Men are much more imature than women, and that is why they like older man. That is why I dont care too much about geting old, because even if you are 60 you can marry a 25 year old women and be happy with her.

Anyway, guys have it easier. Yes, you can be fat. Yes, you can be ugly. But with you have a good personality, you will be atractive. If you have money you will be atractive. If you have an interesting job, you will be atractive.

About women, well, I like them natural. What that means? Nor skinny or fat. I want them to look the best they can without going for the extremes. And I also like a woman who takes care of herself, and do some kind of exercise, even if it is just walking 30 minutes 3x week.

And I like curves. But they usually have nothing to do with fat. Its much more a "frame/bone" structure. And a woman cant change that. Big breasts, a slender body and large hips, with long legs, that is what I aim for. What I really dont like is women who have as many curves as 10 year old boys, or that have very short legs, meaning their ass looks very low.

You've listed people like Miss Aguilera as the average? Interesting.

It's not the diet of supermodels that "real women" can't compete with, it's the airbrushed, made up, well lighted, glossy magazine shots that pose the problem.

And so what? Attractiveness isn't just a female pressure, men get compared to Brad Pitt and even someone who has as much going for him as Tom Cruise gets derided for his physical make up. It's just that men are okay with being filthy slobs.

And all in all, does it even matter? Men still want women, women still - for some reason - want men. Nothing has changed.

I should also mention that just because stick-thin isn't attractive (and I have no idea why people continue to say it isn't like they're saying something new) it doesn't make it okay to be fat.

Anyway, guys have it easier. Yes, you can be fat. Yes, you can be ugly. But with you have a good personality, you will be atractive. If you have money you will be atractive. If you have an interesting job, you will be atractive.


That's not really true. Yes, an ugly millionaire can get some gold digger but generally you need a decent balance.

And besides - apart from the money - all those factors contribute to making a girl more attractive.

http://www.rupaul.com/gallery/gallery_img/ru_calendar_07.jpg

Like celebrity woman, only hot.

Well, money does make a woman more atractive, at least for me. That way I wont bother to worry if she wants to date/marry me just because of my money.

And also, there arent ugly women: there are poor women. If you have money, a bit of wisdom and smarts, a woman can easily become atractive. The only thing you cant change is the frame I mentioned before. If you have big bones, you wont be able to change that. But if you change your diet (meaning what you eat, now how much), exercise a bit, and has a bit of money to put into your looks, anyone can become atractive.

I mean, here in Brazil, there are even women who are taking out their lower ribs to make their body more slim and thin. Not to mention all the classic boob, butt and belly jobs.

And, well, guys do get compared to Brad Pitt or shit like that, but fortunaly women, as they get older, realize usually vain or extremely beautifull guys are:

1) Boring
2) Cocky
3) Bad in bed.

And also, there arent ugly women: there are poor women. If you have money, a bit of wisdom and smarts, a woman can easily become atractive. The only thing you cant change is the frame I mentioned before. If you have big bones, you wont be able to change that. But if you change your diet (meaning what you eat, now how much), exercise a bit, and has a bit of money to put into your looks, anyone can become atractive.

And, well, guys do get compared to Brad Pitt or shit like that, but fortunaly women, as they get older, realize usually vain or extremely beautifull guys are:

1) Boring
2) Cocky
3) Bad in bed.

I don't even know where to begin.

Could you explain how a woman can just buy her way to attractiveness? (she can't, so this should be interesting)

And could you explain how you came by that information about "beautiful guys"?

What do real women look like? Lots and lots and lots of different things. Some women are 5'11'' with hips no wider than their narrow waists. Some women are 4'10'' and built like a beach ball. Last I checked, if you poke any of them, you'll find that they physically exist, which suggests to me that they are, in fact, real.

I find very little more pathetic than people who will rant about how other people's appearance makes them inferior, and blather about how "real women have curves" or "fatties are gross!" Real women look like whatever they happen to look like, and having enough self-confidence not to worry about how other people look is sexy whether one is a size 0 or a size 40.

Are curves beautiful, womanly and natural?
Are women meant to be thin?
What size should women be?
[BEFORE YOU ANSWER THIS, please look at this conversion chart, so you can properly discuss sizing. http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm ]



1. Yes, more or less. "Curves"(In a natural sense) tend to be caused by a well-fed diet, and a healthy body. Healthy bodies are more suitable for procreation, and thus there is usually a higher attraction to those that look healthy, than those that are not(Which is why morbidly obese people are not seen as attractive-they are quite obviously unhealthy, and thus are not seen as attractive). That being said, individuals tend to be attracted to those somwhere on a scale between two extremes of 'curviness', or 'healthy body', from fairly(but naturally) thin, the fairly(but naturally) heavy. Very few people find unnaturally thin or heavy people to be attractive, really, as it is rather obvious they are not healthy.

Basically: There is a reason why really obese people get no lovin'-we are not wired to find them attractive. Deal with it, and walk some stairs instead of taking the goddamn elevator all the freakin' time.

2. No. Not at all, actually. Some are naturally thinner than others, however being of a healthy state for your body is more important. Also, a little plump is a good thing, naturally speaking, as it means you are usually more able to have children, and will likely have fewer problems.

3. Whatever their "natural" size should be. Some are naturally thin, other mid-weight, others heavier. However, people in these categories can look quite attractive, if they are healthy. How does one know their naturally body size? Eating the right food, and excercise are a good start. Whereever your weight levels off at should be a decent marker. If you are thin, but eat alot, you are likely naturally thin. If you are heavier, and can't seem to lose weight, you are probably naturally heavier. However, if you are thin and only get thinner, and heavy and only get heavier, that's a different problem. A person can be thin, or heavy, and still be very healthy, but to thin or to heavy for one's natural body size is very unappealing.

Could you explain how a woman can just buy her way to attractiveness? (she can't, so this should be interesting)


You'd be surprised how much more attractive a nip/tuck can make a woman to some guys/girls. :rolleyes:

I don't even know where to begin.

Could you explain how a woman can just buy her way to attractiveness? (she can't, so this should be interesting)

And could you explain how you came by that information about "beautiful guys"?

You need time and money to go to gym. If you work too much, you wont have the energy nor the time to go to the gym and keep fit.

If you have money, you can buy the proper clothes design to your body type.

If you have money, you can go to a good hair saloon and improve your hair, which everyone knows greatly improves anyone looks.

If you use glasses, and have money, you can buy a good looking frame, or even start using contacts.

If you have money, and is flat chested, you can get a boob job.

If you cant get rid of that fat in your stomach, and you just need to get rid of it, get a lipo removal.

Of course you cant expect to get money, eat it and think you will turn more atractive. You need a bit of knowledge, and you need to be willing to try diferent things. I mean, when you look at those programs like Extreme Makeover, the Swan or stuff like that, the people they choose not only look bad, but they behave like they are ugly. Use ugly clothings, use ugly haircuts, dont use makeup, and stuff like that.

And could you explain how you came by that information about "beautiful guys"?

I'm guessing he has some "experience". ;)

And also, there arent ugly women: there are poor women. If you have money, a bit of wisdom and smarts, a woman can easily become atractive. The only thing you cant change is the frame I mentioned before. If you have big bones, you wont be able to change that. But if you change your diet (meaning what you eat, now how much), exercise a bit, and has a bit of money to put into your looks, anyone can become atractive.

Why is it that men (in general) think that women should be constantly making themselves attractive to men? We got into a discussion one day in class, the statement being 'Women should make themselves attractive for men'. All of the guys agreed. Look, they can if they want to, but they shouldn't have to. It's like an unwritten rule of society. Besides, there's no universal attractiveness. Some guys are into 'slutty' girls, others don't, etc. I guess that's what this thread is about.

So you’re saying that rich women are generally attractive and poor women aren’t. I know a lot of pretty poor girls but they’re naturally very good looking with great figures so they’ll make anything look good. I know some rich girls who have great clothes and hairstyles… that are completely wrong for their bodies and faces. Money does not egual beauty. It can enhance it, but it can’t buy looks. Say you were missing a leg. Could you buy a new one? No, not a real one. Would a one-legged woman be attractive? Well, she could be, but to the average, high-aiming guy she might not. And no amount of nip tucking could get her a real leg.

What do real women look like? Lots and lots and lots of different things. Some women are 5'11'' with hips no wider than their narrow waists. Some women are 4'10'' and built like a beach ball. Last I checked, if you poke any of them, you'll find that they physically exist, which suggests to me that they are, in fact, real.

I find very little more pathetic than people who will rant about how other people's appearance makes them inferior, and blather about how "real women have curves" or "fatties are gross!" Real women look like whatever they happen to look like, and having enough self-confidence not to worry about how other people look is sexy whether one is a size 0 or a size 40.

Well said. I have a friend who's naturally very thin and she's very upset by the saying 'real women have curves' because naturally she doesn't have curves, she hardly even has a chest. It's a saying that curvy women invented to make themselves feel better. And curvy women can look very attractive. So can thin women. But women come in way more shapes and sizes than curvy, thin and 'fat'...

Yes, I do (but not the bed part)

I have good looking friends, and they usually are boring and cocky. Women love them, but they can hardly have girlfriends, because they cant hold the women. Yet, I have ugly friends who are funny and interesting, and they have some quite nice girlfriends.

And also, my sister herself, who is very good looking, says so. She says she is more interested in a guy with a good personality, instead of a guy with a good face. Of course she wont date anyone, the guy has to be clean and neat at least, but she had quite a few boyfriends, none of them were amazingly good looking, but she liked all of them.

Why is it that men (in general) think that women should be constantly making themselves attractive to men? We got into a discussion one day in class, the statement being 'Women should make themselves attractive for men'. All of the guys agreed. Look, they can if they want to, but they shouldn't have to. It's like an unwritten rule of society. Besides, there's no universal attractiveness. Some guys are into 'slutty' girls, others don't, etc. I guess that's what this thread is about.

So you’re saying that rich women are generally attractive and poor women aren’t. I know a lot of pretty poor girls but they’re naturally very good looking with great figures so they’ll make anything look good. I know some rich girls who have great clothes and hairstyles… that are completely wrong for their bodies and faces. Money does not egual beauty. It can enhance it, but it can’t buy looks. Say you were missing a leg. Could you buy a new one? No, not a real one. Would a one-legged woman be attractive? Well, she could be, but to the average, high-aiming guy she might not. And no amount of nip tucking could get her a real leg.





Men have to follow unwriten rules too. And we dont complain about it.

And we are not talking about styles here. You can like sluty girls, gothic girls, barbie girls, rocker girls. It doesnt matter much. But, as a guy, I´m expecting each of these girls to try to look their best.

Oh, and a one legger woman can be atractive, oh yes. You have no idea what men´s imagination is capable off.

What do real women look like? Lots and lots and lots of different things. Some women are 5'11'' with hips no wider than their narrow waists. Some women are 4'10'' and built like a beach ball. Last I checked, if you poke any of them, you'll find that they physically exist, which suggests to me that they are, in fact, real.

I find very little more pathetic than people who will rant about how other people's appearance makes them inferior, and blather about how "real women have curves" or "fatties are gross!" Real women look like whatever they happen to look like, and having enough self-confidence not to worry about how other people look is sexy whether one is a size 0 or a size 40.

QFT

Why is it that men (in general) think that women should be constantly making themselves attractive to men? We got into a discussion one day in class, the statement being 'Women should make themselves attractive for men'. All of the guys agreed. Look, they can if they want to, but they shouldn't have to. It's like an unwritten rule of society. Besides, there's no universal attractiveness. Some guys are into 'slutty' girls, others don't, etc. I guess that's what this thread is about.


The same goes for women. Almost every female I have ever met cares more about looks and appearance than ANYTHING else. They don't say it usually(Although, being a close friend of many girls, they tell me everything, so I have heard it from quite a few), it is rather obvious the guys that most girls will go for. Really, just observe people in any social area. Women think that men need to be making themselves attractive for women, just as much men think that of women.

The door swings both ways, and I truly hate the double standard placed on men in this particular case.

Women can be just as shallow as men. Infact, in my observance, they can often times be even moreso than many men.(Not saying men are better here-I have a load of issues with other men).

To my knowledge I don't think that most anorexics starve themselves to become attractive. I have heard that they are after an elusive, mystical ideal of being "weightless". So it's basically like a suicide cult.
Many people who suffer from anorexia nervosa are trying to take control of something - and their food intake and what they look like is quite often the only thing they can control. This can be as a result of abuse, domestic problems (your parents are divorcing, you want to do something but you can't, you want to be able to have some grip on real life...).

I knew a girl who'd been the victim of a sexual assault, and as a result of that she became anorexic. After the assault she felt she was 'dirty' and 'sub-human' and so she decided she should punish herself - not for feeling like that, but for actually being that. So she made herself only eat food she didn't like. As a result she ate very little.

I feel pressured by the Expected Attractiveness of women... It's too high... But then again.. What girl my age isn't..?? I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?

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I'm a man and I don't see why women, or men, should have to make such an effort to look their best. Everyone just relax and let nature take its course. Let's smoke a few joints too.

Fortunaly, us guys have it easier. Why? Because, as we get older, we actually get more atractive, unlike women.

And I dont mean it because of money, but because of personality. Men are much more imature than women, and that is why they like older man. That is why I dont care too much about geting old, because even if you are 60 you can marry a 25 year old women and be happy with her.

Anyway, guys have it easier. Yes, you can be fat. Yes, you can be ugly. But with you have a good personality, you will be atractive. If you have money you will be atractive. If you have an interesting job, you will be atractive.

About women, well, I like them natural. What that means? Nor skinny or fat. I want them to look the best they can without going for the extremes. And I also like a woman who takes care of herself, and do some kind of exercise, even if it is just walking 30 minutes 3x week.

And I like curves. But they usually have nothing to do with fat. Its much more a "frame/bone" structure. And a woman cant change that. Big breasts, a slender body and large hips, with long legs, that is what I aim for. What I really dont like is women who have as many curves as 10 year old boys, or that have very short legs, meaning their ass looks very low.

I disagree. Men don't always have it easier. I know many men with eating disorders, and many others who are concerned about their appearance. Women who have a great personality can be just as attractive as men. It's also incorrect to state that men are more immature than women. God, go on ICQ any day and they're just as immature as eachother.

To have big breasts, she must have fat, therefore it is to do with body fat, but I also can't see women who look like 10 year old boys as attractive.

Im tired of how people say women are forced to look a certain way. Woman choose how they look, they can choose to be lok good while bigger, or smaller, its just how they present themselves.

You've listed people like Miss Aguilera as the average? Interesting.

It's not the diet of supermodels that "real women" can't compete with, it's the airbrushed, made up, well lighted, glossy magazine shots that pose the problem.

And so what? Attractiveness isn't just a female pressure, men get compared to Brad Pitt and even someone who has as much going for him as Tom Cruise gets derided for his physical make up. It's just that men are okay with being filthy slobs.

And all in all, does it even matter? Men still want women, women still - for some reason - want men. Nothing has changed.

I should also mention that just because stick-thin isn't attractive (and I have no idea why people continue to say it isn't like they're saying something new) it doesn't make it okay to be fat.

I don't think she's neccisarily "average" but she has a healthy body and has womanly curves. If you follow her music at all, you'll recognise that she has gone through periods of being slightly "chubby". When she sung "Beautiful" she was much heavier (and just as gorgeous) as she is now.

I also agree that men are pressured, but you can't say that it's not at all about body image. Many men want to gain muscle, lose fat, tone up etc, just as many women want to lose weight also. This is partially due to the effect that the images of bodies that are imposed upon us are unrealistic. Just as it's not normal (or healthy) for a man to be as hard as bricks, 7 feet tall, with a penis the size of a kebab, it's not normal (or healthy) for a woman to be stick thin. Airbrushing and other disguising techniques are often unessesary, in my opinion, but I think that worries about skin/facial structure/etc are not as deathly as weight worries can potentially become.

People still want to see beautiful models. We all want to be "beautiful". The problem is that the stereotype of beauty at the moment is highly unachievable and unhealthy.

I like women like the old time Hollywood movie stars back in the day. They had fantastic bodies, and actually had meat on their bones. Skinny women scare me because I'm afraid I might accidently break them or something. Not to say I prefere overweight women either. Too much weight is a negative factor.

Kinda like the women in the last pic on the OP.

...Kinda like the women in the last pic on the OP.

Yeah, I was going to post and say 'Eat something' to all those pics apart from the last one.

I know what I like...NO FAT BITCHES! :mad:



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http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Brenda%20Song-13.jpg
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Ashley%20Tisdale-22.jpg
http://www.teenidols4you.com/thumb/Actors/alyson_michalka/TI4U_u1147539112.jpg
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What do real women look like? Lots and lots and lots of different things. Some women are 5'11'' with hips no wider than their narrow waists. Some women are 4'10'' and built like a beach ball. Last I checked, if you poke any of them, you'll find that they physically exist, which suggests to me that they are, in fact, real.

I find very little more pathetic than people who will rant about how other people's appearance makes them inferior, and blather about how "real women have curves" or "fatties are gross!" Real women look like whatever they happen to look like, and having enough self-confidence not to worry about how other people look is sexy whether one is a size 0 or a size 40.

I infallibly declare this post to be the win. I have dispatched cultists to give you your reward.

I know what I like...NO FAT BITCHES! :mad:

Not need to get angry.......

Real women have vaginas. Really, I think that’s the only official qualifier.

Real women have vaginas. Really, I think that’s the only official qualifier.

*applause*

Real women have vaginas. Really, I think that’s the only official qualifier.

*applause*

I second this motion

Real women have vaginas. Really, I think that’s the only official qualifier.

That and they're real. Ya know, they exist. I imagine Aphrodite had a vagina.

I infallibly declare this post to be the win. I have dispatched cultists to give you your reward.

Yay, I win!

*awaits cultists*

Not need to get angry.......


Fat people make me mad!:mad: :mad: :mad:

That and they're real. Ya know, they exist. I imagine Aphrodite had a vagina.
Excellent observation good sir.

Real women have vaginas. Really, I think that’s the only official qualifier.

Young girls and about 50% of all mammalia also have vaginas. It may be necessary, but it sure ain't sufficient.

Fat people make me mad!:mad: :mad: :mad:

This is among the most ridiculous things I've read on NS.

Young girls and about 50% of all mammalia also have vaginas. It may be necessary, but it sure ain't sufficient.

Meh. I just really don’t like people saying what is and isn’t a “real women” or a “real man” for that matter.

This is among the most ridiculous things I've read on NS.


I could say the same about your post. I don't like fat people. I am a bigot in that way.



Fat People :mp5:

I could say the same about your post. I don't like fat people. I am a bigot in that way.



Fat People :mp5:

Not being is attracted to fat people is understanable enough, attraction is totally subjective, but actually getting mad at fat people boggles the mind, and not in a fun way.

I could say the same about your post. I don't like fat people. I am a bigot in that way.



Fat People :mp5:

Might I ask why?

Not being is attracted to fat people is understanable enough, attraction is totally subjective, but actually getting mad at fat people boggles the mind, and not in a fun way.
It's just funny to me.

I know what I like...NO FAT BITCHES! :mad:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/Anneliese.jpg/415px-Anneliese.jpg
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Brenda%20Song-13.jpg
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Ashley%20Tisdale-22.jpg
http://www.teenidols4you.com/thumb/Actors/alyson_michalka/TI4U_u1147539112.jpg
http://www.brittany-snow.org/temp/02.jpg
http://mom.moo.jp/akiko-yada/index.files/image5051.jpg
What is it about American men and Asian women???

What is it about American men and Asian women???
Well, they’re relatively uncommon and thus exotic?

Not being is attracted to fat people is understanable enough, attraction is totally subjective, but actually getting mad at fat people boggles the mind, and not in a fun way.


One of these days I am gonna go all Hitler on fat people. Cleanse the world of fat people. ACHTUNG FATSO! :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :headbang:




You are to easy.....Can't take a joke can you!

It's just funny to me.


COOL!

One of these days I am gonna go all Hitler on fat people.

What? Kill yourself?

One of these days I am gonna go all Hitler on fat people. Cleanse the world of fat people. ACHTUNG FATSO! :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :headbang:




You are to easy.....Can't take a joke can you!

That was a poor attempt at humour.

That was a poor attempt at humour.



Get a sense of humor you idiot. :upyours:

What is it about American men and Asian women???


Racist. Why do you hate asians?

Alright, I have nice curves, and I'm not creepily skinny. I've had nothing but good reviews so far. That is all I had to add, but I thought I'd put in my two cents, since I'm pretty much the sort of girl you guys are talking about.

Is there a corrective college for taste? The OP appears to lack it it....

Excuse me but you all are in violation of US Copyright law. It is illegal to publicly display someone else's picture without their consent. As you guys are using photobucket it is clear you stole the pictures from websites. That constitutes theft of intellectual property.

If this site was in the US, you'd be in serious trouble with American authorities.

Are curves beautiful, womanly and natural?
Are women meant to be thin?
What size should women be?


In my opinion, beauty has little to do with subjective aesthetics.

i)Yes, absolutely; what comes naturally, one would argue, is natural.
ii)If one is naturally thin then go for it, it's not something to strive for if one is simply not inclined that way.
iii)The size one is meant to be as determined by one's genetic makeup.

I love a girl not for her body (beautiful as she is), but for her amazing spirit and soul... she will never lose that, and I hope I shall never lose her; I couldn't stand it.

Alas and alack, I go on too much. My piece has been stated. Fare well.

Excuse me but you all are in violation of US Copyright law. It is illegal to publicly display someone else's picture without their consent. As you guys are using photobucket it is clear you stole the pictures from websites. That constitutes theft of intellectual property.

If this site was in the US, you'd be in serious trouble with American authorities.

Firstly, what excellent validation of all that is said of the USA. What, beyond merely citing legislation, is wrong with merely posting pictures as evidence?

Secondly, come and get me/any other posters dickhead....

Firstly, what excellent validation of all that is said of the USA. What, beyond merely citing legislation, is wrong with merely posting pictures as evidence?

Secondly, come and get me/any other posters dickhead....

The problem is that you guys are not citing the photographers. Nor have you shown that you have recieved either the photographers or the model's written consent to use their images as "evidence".

It just like when you using magazine articles or books or websites, you have to cite the photographer who took the picture. If you can't at least do that then you can't use the picture.

I love a girl not for her body (beautiful as she is), but for her amazing spirit and soul... she will never lose that

Don’t discount a strong blow to the head.

Get a sense of humor you idiot. :upyours:
Forgive me for not seeing the vast amounts of lols to be had at someone pretending to hate fat people, Oh Master Of Teh Funneh.
:rolleyes:
Excuse me but you all are in violation of US Copyright law. It is illegal to publicly display someone else's picture without their consent.
What makes you think US Copyright law applies to anything posted here?
As you guys are using photobucket it is clear you stole the pictures from websites. That constitutes theft of intellectual property.
That's not clear at all, and not everything on the internet is copyrighted.

If this site was in the US, you'd be in serious trouble with American authorities.
I doubt that highly.
Firstly, what excellent validation of all that is said of the USA. What, beyond merely citing legislation, is wrong with merely posting pictures as evidence?

Secondly, come and get me/any other posters dickhead....

Ditto.

Excuse me but you all are in violation of US Copyright law. It is illegal to publicly display someone else's picture without their consent. As you guys are using photobucket it is clear you stole the pictures from websites. That constitutes theft of intellectual property.

If this site was in the US, you'd be in serious trouble with American authorities.

And this is relevant to the matter at hand how exactly?

Are you seriously claiming that US authorities worry themselves about links to images posted on the net?

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/images/burkha.JPG

I saw The Love of Allah as the last poster and had to click. It was worth it.

And just to cut some people off, screaming "troll" everytime one appears feeds them more than anything. I say we enjoy his posts in peace and quiet.

I saw The Love of Allah as the last poster and had to click. It was worth it.

And just to cut some people off, screaming "troll" everytime one appears feeds them more than anything. I say we enjoy his posts in peace and quiet.

I tried to, but I lol'd. It amuses me greatly to think it could be a man under that get up.

I tried to, but I lol'd. It amuses me greatly to think it could be a man under that get up.

But what a beautiful man!

Well, they’re relatively uncommon and thus exotic?
Same in Europe, but still no bizarre obsession. Maybe the American women are crap?

Racist. Why do you hate asians?
I don't. I just don't see why American men obsess over them.

Alright, I have nice curves, and I'm not creepily skinny. I've had nothing but good reviews so far.
See women have at least one advantage, it seems - the ability (of a lot of them) to go through a good chunk of life without ever having to deal with rejection. :(

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/images/burkha.JPG
You liberal infidel! It's meant to be black, not blue!!! :sniper: :sniper:

But what a beautiful man!

Or a deer.

It's an easy one, but cookie for the reference.

Same in Europe, but still no bizarre obsession. Maybe the American women are crap?


I don't. I just don't see why American men obsess over them.


See women have at least one advantage, it seems - the ability (of a lot of them) to go through a good chunk of life without ever having to deal with rejection. :(


You liberal infidel! It's meant to be black, not blue!!! :sniper: :sniper:

damn straight! :highfive: Black ftw! Viva la Revolucion! Viva la Tenatsia!

I don't. I just don't see why American men obsess over them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziyi_Zhang

That's why. ;)

It's so nice to know that I'm not a "Real Woman". Pray tell me, how does one become a real woman?

I also can't see women who look like 10 year old boys as attractive.

So that's why I can't keep a guy! They run away when they find the vagina!

Seriously, get over it. Not every thin woman is eating disordered or trying to live up to unrealistic expectations. Guys who like thin women just like that body shape. Some guys don't like big arses and curves like the women in your images have. There is nothing wrong with this. It does not mean they are closet homosexual paedophiles as you seem to be implying. Stop emasculating them and insulting me and my friends.

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/images/burkha.JPG

Ooh fundamentalist chic! I have to have it!

Don't be my size (10 lbs underweight).
That sums it up. :p

It's so nice to know that I'm not a "Real Woman". Pray tell me, how does one become a real woman?



So that's why I can't keep a guy! They run away when they find the vagina!

Seriously, get over it. Not every thin woman is eating disordered or trying to live up to unrealistic expectations. Guys who like thin women just like that body shape. Some guys don't like big arses and curves like the women in your images have. There is nothing wrong with this. It does not mean they are closet homosexual paedophiles as you seem to be implying. Stop emasculating them and insulting me and my friends.

Skinny girls need love too.

Skinny girls need love too.

AMEN!!!!!

Skinny girls need love too.

So true. At the moment, though, the only love I get is from myself. Luckily, that's very *ahem* satisfying.

And do you think that this ideal woman should accept your body type as it is?
I think the stereotypes of how men are meant to look are unfair too!

Of course women tend to be less concerned with looks. Not that they don't like them, but even a very shallow woman will be more forgiving of bad looks when they belong to a man with a prestigous job or simply a lot of money.

However, men's standards aren't the same as those in fashion magazines. Fashion magazines are run by old women and gay men. And ones with a very poorly developed sense of asthetics at that. Listen to a "fashion critic" sometime. There's no reason behind any of their judgements. When a film critic says he doesn't like a movie he will usually say why. The acting was awkward. the plot was implausible. The symbolism was inappropriate.

Whenever you hear fashion critics explain good and bad fashion, they never know why. They like it or they don't, but they don't know which is good and which is bad. Or they assume that if they don't like it, it must be bad. Fashion professionals don't know anything about anything. They are less important to civilization than Paris Hilton.

So true. At the moment, though, the only love I get is from myself. Luckily, that's very *ahem* satisfying.

Oh, dear. Running away to chicken noodle soup...
Chicken noodle soup, Chicken noodle soup wit a soda on da side.
Let it rain, clear it out.
I'm done.

So true. At the moment, though, the only love I get is from myself. Luckily, that's very *ahem* satisfying.

Beats no love at all. :)

Beats no love at all. :)

All you need is love, love, love,
all you need is love.
Seriously, am I in a musical?

Beats no love at all. :)

Too true. Though, it does get lonely.

Too true. Though, it does get lonely.

One is the loneliest number.

All you need is love, love, love,
all you need is love.
Seriously, am I in a musical?

This reminds me of Once More, With Feeling. The musical Buffy episode.

All you need is love, love, love,
all you need is love.
Seriously, am I in a musical?
If you are the you must have a big role. None of the extras get to burst into song, they just join in.
Too true. Though, it does get lonely.

Indeed it does. :(

So true. At the moment, though, the only love I get is from myself. Luckily, that's very *ahem* satisfying.

Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot piiiiiiiiie!

One is the loneliest number.

It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

Five?

Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot piiiiiiiiie!
What?
It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

So they say.

It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

you can't cut me off like that!

It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

a cow or...

Five?

the more the merrier. :eek: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

the more the merrier. :eek: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Now that's a Merry Christmas.

And do you think that this ideal woman should accept your body type as it is?
I think the stereotypes of how men are meant to look are unfair too!

Hear hear!
I am a skinny assed guy and I used to have very low self esteem because I am not "bigger".
People should try to look beyond your physical appearance and see the "real" you.

Now that's a Merry Christmas.

I aim to please.

Hear hear!
I am a skinny assed guy and I used to have very low self esteem because I am not "bigger".
People should try to look beyond your physical appearance and see the "real" you.

I like skinny guys...skinny guys aren't as intimidating, and seeing as I'm androphobic, that's always good.

What?

Very obscure reference. I didn't expect anyone to get it. :p

It's about a raving psychotic's use of warm chicken pot pie in the place of an... Ahem... Partner.

I aim to please.

Bulls-eye!
Like a Virgin, touched for the very first time...

Very obscure reference. I didn't expect anyone to get it. :p

It's about a raving psychotic's use of warm chicken pot pie in the place of an... Ahem... Partner.

Or apple pie? :fluffle:

Or apple pie? :fluffle:

Chicken pot pie is funnier, simply because it's so much messier.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the guy in question ate the pie after... Defiling it.

Chicken pot pie is funnier, simply because it's so much messier.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the guy in question ate the pie after... Defiling it.

That can't taste good....
Or....
:fluffle:

Chicken pot pie is funnier, simply because it's so much messier.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the guy in question ate the pie after... Defiling it.

ewww.

thats just not fun.

Hear hear!
I am a skinny assed guy and I used to have very low self esteem because I am not "bigger".
People should try to look beyond your physical appearance and see the "real" you.

Oh please, you know you'd want a chick with a perfect body. Why can't girls want the same thing (the perfect guy body)?

Oh please, you know you'd want a chick with a perfect body. Why can't girls want the same thing (the perfect guy body)?

Because apparently guys are the only ones who truly care. I'm more worried about scholarships.

Bulls-eye!
Like a Virgin, touched for the very first time...


quite...

Anyway, I hate to love you and leave you, but thats what I'm about to do.

It was nice to have er, company:D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: to you, Ilfrean, Potarius and Outcast Jesuits.

But she's sooooooooooo hot.
Remove the ooooooo's and that would be about right.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: to you, Ilfrean, Potarius and Outcast Jesuits.

Can you feel the love tonight?

quite...

Anyway, I hate to love you and leave you, but thats what I'm about to do.

It was nice to have er, company:D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: to you, Ilfrean, Potarius and Outcast Jesuits.

Have a good one. And please, for the love of Ifreann's fragile mind, close the curtains...

I feel pressured by the Expected Attractiveness of women... It's too high... But then again.. What girl my age isn't..?? I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?

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You're a pretty girl, even though you're a bit too young for me. Nevertheless, you shouldn't worry about what others say about you. Just be confident, take care of yourself, eat properly, and pay no mind to any whom would try to hook you into depression and self-pity.

Oftentimes, they're the ones who are just that (depressive, unconfident and crying "Woe is me!").

Yeah, I was going to post and say 'Eat something' to all those pics apart from the last one.

This really made me smile. It's the Dove "Campaign for Real Beauty". They're all stunning!

I know what I like...NO FAT BITCHES! :mad:


How intellectual.

Well, money does make a woman more atractive, at least for me. That way I wont bother to worry if she wants to date/marry me just because of my money.

And also, there arent ugly women: there are poor women. If you have money, a bit of wisdom and smarts, a woman can easily become atractive. The only thing you cant change is the frame I mentioned before. If you have big bones, you wont be able to change that. But if you change your diet (meaning what you eat, now how much), exercise a bit, and has a bit of money to put into your looks, anyone can become atractive.

I mean, here in Brazil, there are even women who are taking out their lower ribs to make their body more slim and thin. Not to mention all the classic boob, butt and belly jobs.

And, well, guys do get compared to Brad Pitt or shit like that, but fortunaly women, as they get older, realize usually vain or extremely beautifull guys are:

1) Boring
2) Cocky
3) Bad in bed.

Getting plastic surgery and going to the gym does not make someone beautiful. Of course, now we have to define beauty. Firstly, I think all people are beautiful & all bodies are beautiful, but for a girl (or guy) to be particularly stunning/attractive/noticable she must have an elegant facial structure, proportionate body and nice features. This, however, does not make "beauty" fit only one type of woman. There are many women who wear dolce & gabbana, work out everyday, get botox and live off salad, who will never be truly "beautiful" according to anyone's standards. Plastic, to me, is not "beautiful". Bad skin and bad teeth, to me, are also not aspects of someone who I consider "beautiful", and even though these can be covered up, there are natural and healthy beauties that will always be more noticable than them. That being said, all people of all sizes, colours, shapes and backgrounds can be attractive. There is no one who is "ugly". There are only people who are unhealthy, too bony, have acne etc. That element of them does not make them any less of a person.

And sexy men aren't always vain, boring or bad in bed. Someone is a little jealous, I assume.

I don't even know where to begin.

Could you explain how a woman can just buy her way to attractiveness? (she can't, so this should be interesting)

And could you explain how you came by that information about "beautiful guys"?

I want to know the answers to those questions as well.

1. Yes, more or less. "Curves"(In a natural sense) tend to be caused by a well-fed diet, and a healthy body. Healthy bodies are more suitable for procreation, and thus there is usually a higher attraction to those that look healthy, than those that are not(Which is why morbidly obese people are not seen as attractive-they are quite obviously unhealthy, and thus are not seen as attractive). That being said, individuals tend to be attracted to those somwhere on a scale between two extremes of 'curviness', or 'healthy body', from fairly(but naturally) thin, the fairly(but naturally) heavy. Very few people find unnaturally thin or heavy people to be attractive, really, as it is rather obvious they are not healthy.

Basically: There is a reason why really obese people get no lovin'-we are not wired to find them attractive. Deal with it, and walk some stairs instead of taking the goddamn elevator all the freakin' time.

2. No. Not at all, actually. Some are naturally thinner than others, however being of a healthy state for your body is more important. Also, a little plump is a good thing, naturally speaking, as it means you are usually more able to have children, and will likely have fewer problems.

3. Whatever their "natural" size should be. Some are naturally thin, other mid-weight, others heavier. However, people in these categories can look quite attractive, if they are healthy. How does one know their naturally body size? Eating the right food, and excercise are a good start. Whereever your weight levels off at should be a decent marker. If you are thin, but eat alot, you are likely naturally thin. If you are heavier, and can't seem to lose weight, you are probably naturally heavier. However, if you are thin and only get thinner, and heavy and only get heavier, that's a different problem. A person can be thin, or heavy, and still be very healthy, but to thin or to heavy for one's natural body size is very unappealing.

You answered my questions really well.

Fat people make me mad!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Stupid people make me mad.

Racist. Why do you hate asians?

Umm, considering that you just insulted overweight people, you really can't take the moral high ground.

Is there a corrective college for taste? The OP appears to lack it it....

Excuse me?

Excuse me but you all are in violation of US Copyright law. It is illegal to publicly display someone else's picture without their consent. As you guys are using photobucket it is clear you stole the pictures from websites. That constitutes theft of intellectual property.

If this site was in the US, you'd be in serious trouble with American authorities.

Score.

In my opinion, beauty has little to do with subjective aesthetics.

i)Yes, absolutely; what comes naturally, one would argue, is natural.
ii)If one is naturally thin then go for it, it's not something to strive for if one is simply not inclined that way.
iii)The size one is meant to be as determined by one's genetic makeup.

I love a girl not for her body (beautiful as she is), but for her amazing spirit and soul... she will never lose that, and I hope I shall never lose her; I couldn't stand it.

Alas and alack, I go on too much. My piece has been stated. Fare well.

I like you.

:)

Stupid people make me mad.

So you must get pissed everytime you look in a mirror huh? Read a book dumbass.

This really made me smile. It's the Dove "Campaign for Real Beauty". They're all stunning!

Their wardrobe is aweful. I appreciate the large breasts though. I can't stand it when a beautiful woman has no breasts like they do in a lot of magazines aimed at women. ( I am a large chested straight woman)

Umm, considering that you just insulted overweight people, you really can't take the moral high ground.

I was joking...you were not.

I was joking...you were not.

Knowyourright's signature style of debate appears to be personal attack. She's just so passionate, she finds it hard to actually argue her point, or refute the points of others.

http://www.corsetandcloak.com/images/costumes/costume1.jpg

Yes... yes.

I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/Freaky_Princess678/OrlaLookingAround-1.jpg

Erm, I would have to vote in the "NOT ugly" category.
*nods*

EDIT:
Kinda strange that WYTYG hasn't chimed in yet. *mmmm*

And ... for posterity ...
Kari Byron is a consideration for what real women look like. *nods emphatically*

Attitude is everything. Its amazing how many hot women there are out there that are hot until they open their mouth. It works the other way too. There are plenty of "plain janes" out there that are incredibly attractive for more reasons than just their physical appearance.

I think its pointless trying to pick an ideal and go that is a real woman. I think real is whatever your body defaults to when looked after. People should not be trying to achieve some sort of ideal. I dont have a problem with people working to change themselves but it should be something they do for themselves not to achieve someone elses idea of perfect.

Heres a thought for the guys out there too. If you have a type or an ideal you are just placing restrictions on yourself and making it much harder to get a date on a Saturday night. Open your eyes and mind to all the possibilities and you will be amazed how much fun you have.

P.S. Tick me up for a vote towards Orlzenheimerness being in the pretty category too. There is nothing wrong with you physically so bugger whoever it was that called you ugly.

Generally, I consider the base requirement for someone to be a "real woman" is to have a vagina.

Generally, I consider the base requirement for someone to be a "real woman" is to have a vagina.

Well you totally shot down my hopes of sounding original. QFT and all that.

Well you totally shot down my hopes of sounding original. QFT and all that.

:p

Generally, I consider the base requirement for someone to be a "real woman" is to have a vagina.

That's what I always thought...or hoped. Especially when I realised natural boobs were a hopeless dream...

That's what I always thought...or hoped. Especially when I realised natural boobs were a hopeless dream...

Peter Griffin: My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge ... *sobs while rubbing chest flab together*

...

Well said. I have a friend who's naturally very thin and she's very upset by the saying 'real women have curves' because naturally she doesn't have curves, she hardly even has a chest. It's a saying that curvy women invented to make themselves feel better. And curvy women can look very attractive. So can thin women. But women come in way more shapes and sizes than curvy, thin and 'fat'...

I agree that naturally thin is okay, but when women starve themselves to be thin it's a different matter. Some thin girls are "beautiful" (in the eyes of the average person/media etc), and so are some overweight girls.

I feel pressured by the Expected Attractiveness of women... It's too high... But then again.. What girl my age isn't..?? I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/Freaky_Princess678/OrlaLookingAround-1.jpg

There is absolutely no way that you are "ugly"! It's not only mean & untrue to call ANYONE "ugly", but you, by conventional terms and in the eyes of the general public and media, would definitely be considered attractive!

Meh. I just really don’t like people saying what is and isn’t a “real women” or a “real man” for that matter.

That's why I put "real women" in inverted commas. :rolleyes:

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/images/burkha.JPG

Perhaps she is beautiful. It's a pity that she is being hidden, and I'm not saying that just her face is being hidden - her rights, personality and livelihood are being taken from her also.

It's so nice to know that I'm not a "Real Woman". Pray tell me, how does one become a real woman?



So that's why I can't keep a guy! They run away when they find the vagina!

Seriously, get over it. Not every thin woman is eating disordered or trying to live up to unrealistic expectations. Guys who like thin women just like that body shape. Some guys don't like big arses and curves like the women in your images have. There is nothing wrong with this. It does not mean they are closet homosexual paedophiles as you seem to be implying. Stop emasculating them and insulting me and my friends.

Hahaha...



Sorry, I needed some room to stop laughing at you.


I didn't say every thin woman is eating disordered.
Guys can like what they want. I'm just stating my opinion, and many people share it.
Considering that women are meant to have curves in order to bear children, most men generally expect them to at least have hips, even if they are thin.
I really wish you'd stop using the word "imply", considering you have no idea what it means.
I'm not insulting anyone. I'm merely having an intelligent debate with other passionate and knowledgeable people. Well, excluding you, of course.

That's what I always thought...or hoped. Especially when I realised natural boobs were a hopeless dream...

I don't know you that well, but you're probably a lot more than a pair of tits anyway. Honestly, don't stress about it.

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People would like you more if you used the multi-quote button...:p

As for my input into what kind of women I find attractive only in terms of how they look, I would have to say that certain faces really do it for me. Body shape dosn't matter for me that much, but being healthy is always a plus!

People would like you more if you used the multi-quote button...:p

So that's what that button does! It didn't exist when I left the forum a year or so ago, and I've looked at with curosity, but never done anything with it until you said this. You get a cookie.

Of course women tend to be less concerned with looks. Not that they don't like them, but even a very shallow woman will be more forgiving of bad looks when they belong to a man with a prestigous job or simply a lot of money.

However, men's standards aren't the same as those in fashion magazines. Fashion magazines are run by old women and gay men. And ones with a very poorly developed sense of asthetics at that. Listen to a "fashion critic" sometime. There's no reason behind any of their judgements. When a film critic says he doesn't like a movie he will usually say why. The acting was awkward. the plot was implausible. The symbolism was inappropriate.

Whenever you hear fashion critics explain good and bad fashion, they never know why. They like it or they don't, but they don't know which is good and which is bad. Or they assume that if they don't like it, it must be bad. Fashion professionals don't know anything about anything. They are less important to civilization than Paris Hilton.

You're making generalisations about women that are simply not justified. Men also marry for money and stability, as some women do. However, relationships, particularly in western civilisations, are meant to be based on love. A healthy relationship requires that the couple have an active sex life, and to enjoy this the woman must be attracted to the man physically.

Wow! You really have no clue about the fashion industry. I know several people who have studied fashion, and a highly intelligent, successful woman who used to teach fashion, has a degree in it, designs, and has her own business. It is the people like this who truly understand fashion and have the right to critique another designer's work. I'm assuming that the "fashion critics" you are referring to are those who work for trashy $2 magazines, who say things like "not hot!" Using them as an indicator of the fashion industry as a whole is completely unfair. It's similar to comparing the music of, let's say... the "Sugababes" to Beethoven's masterpieces.

So that's what that button does! It didn't exist when I left the forum a year or so ago, and I've looked at with curosity, but never done anything with it until you said this. You get a cookie.

:)

*eats cookie*

So you must get pissed everytime you look in a mirror huh? Read a book dumbass.

"Dumbass?" I can't believe that's the best you can do.

Here, I have a present for you. It's something that might come in handy next time you're insulting me.

www.dictionary.com

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... *various crap*...

I really can't be bothered, to tell you the truth. That, and I rarely use this forum. Can you tell me how to multi-quote, please?

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dumb-ass /ˈdʌmˌæs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[duhm-as] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang: Vulgar.
a thoroughly stupid person; blockhead.
Also, dumbass.

[Origin: 1970–75; Americanism]
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dumbass

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these words are used to express a low opinion of someone's intelligence

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Sorry. I had to.

Sorry. I had to.

I'm sorry you had to too.

I'm sorry you had to too.

Okay. As long as we agree.:rolleyes: I'm more than half tempted to look up jackass...

I really can't be bothered, to tell you the truth. That, and I rarely use this forum. Can you tell me how to multi-quote, please?
It's the little button next to "quote". Click it and it adds a post to the list. Next time you hit the ordinary quote button on someone in the same thread, all of the posts will appear in it.

Sorry. I had to.

:p

Peter Griffin: My milk shake brings all the boys to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge ... *sobs while rubbing chest flab together*

It's rude to tease.

*cries*

I need a hug.

It's rude to tease.

*cries*

I need a hug.

Erm ... okay.
:fluffle:
As for Griffin ... that's what i put the quote in for ... context.

Hahaha...



Sorry, I needed some room to stop laughing at you.

Grow up.


I didn't say every thin woman is eating disordered.
Guys can like what they want. I'm just stating my opinion, and many people share it.
Considering that women are meant to have curves in order to bear children, most men generally expect them to at least have hips, even if they are thin.
I really wish you'd stop using the word "imply", considering you have no idea what it means.
I'm not insulting anyone. I'm merely having an intelligent debate with other passionate and knowledgeable people.

You have repeatedly said that you believe that a majority of thin women are trying to live up to unrealistic expectations or starving themselves. Only when someone points out that there are exceptions do you soften your stance.

Women are meant to have curves, yes. They don't need them in order to bear children. Unless you're trying to tell me extremely thin girls have never had a baby?

You have repeatedly made statements such as "I don't know why men are attracted to women that look like 13 year old boys." "I don't know how a man could find a woman that looks like a 10 year old boy attractive." That to me, implies that these men have some sort of attraction to pubescent or prepubescent boys. But obviously I'm wrong. I'm sorry. (That, my dear, is called an apology; when you are wrong, use it. It makes you appear gracious).

No, you are not having an intelligent debate. You personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with you, and shout them down without addressing any of their points, or admitting you are wrong. By the way, I'm still waiting on an apology for your insults to my myspace in a previous thread...

Well, excluding you, of course.

Again with the personal attacks. You know, I have yet to insult your intelligence, your profession, or your website. You have done all of the above to me and to other posters on here.

Erm ... okay.
:fluffle:
As for Griffin ... that's what i put the quote in for ... context.

whos griffin? Dont worry ill google it...

whos griffin? Dont worry ill google it...

Peter Griffin, from the FOX TV show, Family Guy.

Peter Griffin, from the FOX TV show, Family Guy.


:headbang: I'm a little slow...

:headbang: I'm a little slow...

Sounds like another fluffle's in order.
:fluffle:

Happy holidays!

Sounds like another fluffle's in order.
:fluffle:

Happy holidays!

it certainly will be with some of that lovin'

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Real women come in all shapes and sizes.

Idealised women are tall, skinny, tanned, have good hair colour (natural, or more often dyed), no glasses, generally lots of make-up. But then that depends on whose ideal it is.

...

You have repeatedly said that you believe that a majority of thin women are trying to live up to unrealistic expectations or starving themselves. Only when someone points out that there are exceptions do you soften your stance.

Please, point out where, and I'll defend my right to say whatever I've said.

Women are meant to have curves, yes. They don't need them in order to bear children. Unless you're trying to tell me extremely thin girls have never had a baby?

No, I'm not trying to tell you that. It's just better to have wide hips & sufficient body fat to bear children.

You have repeatedly made statements such as "I don't know why men are attracted to women that look like 13 year old boys." "I don't know how a man could find a woman that looks like a 10 year old boy attractive." That to me, implies that these men have some sort of attraction to pubescent or prepubescent boys.

If I wanted to say "these men" have an attraction to underage boys, I would have said so. I just find it hard to understand why they would find women, who appear to have practically the same measurements as a young boy, attractive. Girls who fit "size 0" jeans effectively have the same waist size as Target's measurements for 7 year old males.

But obviously I'm wrong. I'm sorry. (That, my dear, is called an apology; when you are wrong, use it. It makes you appear gracious).

It's okay. There's no need to apologise to me.

No, you are not having an intelligent debate. You personally attack anyone who doesn't agree with you, and shout them down without addressing any of their points, or admitting you are wrong. By the way, I'm still waiting on an apology for your insults to my myspace in a previous thread... Again with the personal attacks. You know, I have yet to insult your intelligence, your profession, or your website. You have done all of the above to me and to other posters on here.

I think that if other posters have a problem with me or my opinions, you should allow them the right to defend themselves. And I'm not apologising for insulting your myspace. Personally, I don't like the layout, but it may appeal to others. I don't particularly like your attitude, and I think that's fair enough to say. The only reason why I looked at it was because the link was in your signature. Considering that it says "i have a myspace. don't judge me" I thought I'd at least learn a little more about you before I made any assumptions.

It's the little button next to "quote". Click it and it adds a post to the list. Next time you hit the ordinary quote button on someone in the same thread, all of the posts will appear in it.

Holy shit! All this time, as a prolific multi-quoter, I've been cutting and pasting between tabs!

Real women come in all shapes and sizes.

Idealised women are tall, skinny, tanned, have good hair colour (natural, or more often dyed), no glasses, generally lots of make-up. But then that depends on whose ideal it is.
Yes, I don't really dig the tan fascination that so many white people have (living in Ireland, this phenomenon is really bad).

If I wanted to say "these men" have an attraction to underage boys, I would have said so. I just find it hard to understand why they would find women, who appear to have practically the same measurements as a young boy, attractive.
A great personality can do wonders for attraction.

You are all ugly. Get out in the sunshine more.

:p

So true. At the moment, though, the only love I get is from myself. Luckily, that's very *ahem* satisfying.

It's the most boring too. Love is always more fun with two or...

the more the merrier.:

I aim to please.

You rule.

"Real Women"? Do you mean there are fake women walking around? Are they extraterrestrials or gynoid robots? Are they planning to take over? :eek:

"Real Women"? Do you mean there are fake women walking around?Ones made of plastic/silicone, sure. :rolleyes:

Would I be a "real woman" (ignoring the fact that I'm 12 days shy of tunrning 15)?

I have long, almost waist0length blonde hair, 5'4, 100 lbs, BMI of 17.2. Plus, eh?

On the negative, I have acne. Severe acne.

Am I a real woman, or an ideal one?

My belief is, real women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but it's the brains that count.

Ones made of plastic/silicone, sure. :rolleyes:

Robots then? Or you are saying that a woman who has cosmetic surgery is not really a woman any more?

Robots then? Or you are saying that a woman who has cosmetic surgery is not really a woman any more?If the silicone content rises above the brain volume, I'd say no.

Would I be a "real woman" (ignoring the fact that I'm 12 days shy of tunrning 15)?

I have long, almost waist0length blonde hair, 5'4, 100 lbs, BMI of 17.2. Plus, eh?

On the negative, I have acne. Severe acne.

Am I a real woman, or an ideal one?

My belief is, real women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but it's the brains that count.

I would say both. Acne can be treated and cured.

No darling. It's the pussy that counts.

Merry Christmas.

See, there's more to women than just their anatomy. Try getting to know one for their mind and spirit. Its remarkable refreshing, and engaging.

If the silicone content rises above the brain volume, I'd say no.

What about other materials? If a woman had a terrible health problem and lost all her limbs, artificial ones would total much more volume than the brain. But they're not made of silicone.

I think women are not judged fairly. There are some women, like me, who have hormonal problems. I have PCOS and by having an elevated insulin production in my body, it messes with me female hormones and one of the side effects is smelling food and gaining 10 pounds. I am very limited in my health care and money so it's hard to join into the diet fads or gyms and stuff. Also, healthy foods are much more expensive that unhealthy so it's a lot easier to buy a bunch of junk food for a lot of people.

You know, I've strugged with my weight for my whole life and I doubt that will change now, and people are always super quick to judge me by my size and not who I am. I just really, strongly think that a lot of people have impossible expectations for all of us. I guess I am lucky because I am married to a wonderful man who doesn't mind some weight. But you know there are other people with much more severe health problems like a thyroid problem, or something else... I guess what I'd like to say is that you should get to know that person and thier problems before you say "no way" cause it is truely hard to live your life being fat >< Forgive me if I'm babbling... Oh and merry christmas! :D lol

What about other materials? If a woman had a terrible health problem and lost all her limbs, artificial ones would total much more volume than the brain. But they're not made of silicone.I'd consider them less than complete, physically.
Besides which, prostetic limbs don't really become an integrated part of the body yet; they come off.

But how about going a step further, far into the future. And we just transplant the brain into a new robotic body. Would you still consider her a real woman?

I'd consider them less than complete, physically.
Besides which, prostetic limbs don't really become an integrated part of the body yet; they come off.

But how about going a step further, far into the future. And we just transplant the brain into a new robotic body. Would you still consider her a real woman?

Ah, now that's different (possibly even worth its own thread).

A woman is what we call a female human that is physically mature. You may say, by genetics that she is still a female human, but she no longer has the body of a physically mature female human. She did however, have one once. Also worth considering is that she would no longer have the female hormones produced by the ovaries (I think) going around her body.

Knowyourright, you have been very proactive on this thread today! I salute you at your dedication. Especially seeing as your posts have consisted of more than fluffles…
I agree that naturally thin is okay, but when women starve themselves to be thin it's a different matter. Some thin girls are "beautiful" (in the eyes of the average person/media etc), and so are some overweight girls.
It’s nice to know that somebody read my post way after I posted it. I think it is a real issue for women. There’s all these different body shapes competing to be the ideal one, that often it’s forgotten that if your body shape isn’t the current trend it can make you feel awful. Some girls I know with no curves have at times felt awful about it. Other girls I know with naturally very curvy (and healthy at that) figures have turned anorexic because they were among a minority of skinny girls in my year at school. I had a very skinny, ‘popular’-girl majority in my year at school; just as well that I don’t have low self esteem, because they could be nasty.

"Dumbass?" I can't believe that's the best you can do.

Here, I have a present for you. It's something that might come in handy next time you're insulting me.

www.dictionary.com
I love that site. I have it bookmarked. I’ll use it at least a half a dozen times a day. My vocabulary isn’t huge, but at least I don’t go around using words that I don’t understand, or read posts without understanding words. Nationstates has taught me so many new words!

Yes, I don't really dig the tan fascination that so many white people have (living in Ireland, this phenomenon is really bad). You and me both! I’ve had a lot of comments from foreign people about their confusion with the Irish’s need to be tanned. It's led many an Englishman I've talked to refer to the general Irish female population as 'chavs'.
I’m pale, and not ashamed of it. It’s the way I was made. I’d much rather remain pale and not be all wrinkly or have skin cancer in 30 years time, thank you very much. Either that, or use fake tan and have oompa-loompa-itis. Or at least unnaturally dark palms. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being comfortable in your own skin (as in with the colour of you skin). Sure, it would be great to have more olive-coloured skin so that if I were in a Mediterranean country I wouldn’t constantly run the risk of burning, but you’ve got to make do with what you’ve got. There’s no way that I could possibly get a tan on my entire body (comfortably and legally!) so I’d rather not have patches of darkness and paleness.

A great personality can do wonders for attraction. Again, spot on. I know some good looking guys who I cannot stand (I’m not saying that all good looking guys are annoying, because I know a few nice ones too) because they’re idiots, but then I know some unconventionally attractive guys who I’d fancy much more, simply because I get on with them better, and we have such interesting conversations; we can talk about *almost* anything.

Would I be a "real woman" (ignoring the fact that I'm 12 days shy of tunrning 15)?

I have long, almost waist0length blonde hair, 5'4, 100 lbs, BMI of 17.2. Plus, eh?

On the negative, I have acne. Severe acne.

Am I a real woman, or an ideal one?

My belief is, real women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but it's the brains that count.

That won't matter for a long time for you.

Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..

Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..

For the sake of those of us without microscopic vision, I would recommend not posting in tiny font.

As for what you said, yes, there is too much attention on appearance really. That is why problems like too-skinny-to-be-healthy-women occur - they are judging the ideal weight on some arbitrary image-based standard rather than on what is healthy.

Agreed

Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..You? Ugly? To be brutally honest, your teeth aren't 'perfect', but you have nice hair and clear skin; I see nothing wrong or ugly about the way you look. Those people who taunted you are obviously very mean. Either that, or they've never seen me. I would post a picture, but the lens smashed on the last camera that tried to photograph me... Seriously, I just don't feel the need to post pictures of myself online; due to privacy reasons but also because I haven't seen a good photograph of me in a decade. You shouldn't feel the need to post a picture either, but if you're brave enough, then respect to you. You're pretty young, too. Time can improve people a lot. Don't let people get you down over your looks. They're evidently horrible people anyway.

I really can't be bothered, to tell you the truth. That, and I rarely use this forum. Can you tell me how to multi-quote, please?
You called my input crap....:(
It's the little button next to "quote". Click it and it adds a post to the list. Next time you hit the ordinary quote button on someone in the same thread, all of the posts will appear in it.
I totally ment to say that yesterday...
Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..
Whoa, different font.
You look quite real, although with the state of the internet nowadays....:p

People who taunt you for being "ugly" are simply wrong.








On an almost related anecdote, my ex is having breast-reduction surgery, does that make her less real? Or is it only when you are increasing the size? Or is it that all surgery that effects how a person looks decrease the real-ness?

On an almost related anecdote, my ex is having breast-reduction surgery, does that make her less real? Or is it only when you are increasing the size? Or is it that all surgery that effects how a person looks decrease the real-ness?Hmm. I guess Breast reduction is basically just removing fat. For some reason I'm generally okay with it. A small/practically no chest does not get in the way, but I can imagine that very large breasts can be quite annoying. Heck, my breasts are average, and even then they can get in the way a bit. So I respect a woman's decision to remove a load that probably wouldn't naturally lighten itself. She should be warned, though; reduced breasts have been known to get big again, although that's often a dietary thing!

There’s no way that I could possibly get a tan on my entire body (comfortably and legally!) so I’d rather not have patches of darkness and paleness.

They actually made clothes that let UV rays through, so there IS a way. :cool:

You're a pretty girl, even though you're a bit too young for me. Nevertheless, you shouldn't worry about what others say about you. Just be confident, take care of yourself, eat properly, and pay no mind to any whom would try to hook you into depression and self-pity.

Oftentimes, they're the ones who are just that (depressive, unconfident and crying "Woe is me!").
I notice that my friends' and my own visible health, confidence and thus attractiveness are much more determined by how content we are than by what we're eating.

I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?
You're not ugly. I like the curls, keep it that way, and subtle lipstick would be good too. Oh wait, how old are you?

Perhaps she is beautiful. It's a pity that she is being hidden, and I'm not saying that just her face is being hidden - her rights, personality and livelihood are being taken from her also.
You're just another infidel atheist who will be sent to the most painful pit of hell by Allah!

Speaking for absolutely nobody but myself, I'll chime in.

I have dated women across the range of human somatic variation. 5-foot-nothin' and less than 100 pounds to 6'2" and over 200.

I have been attracted to them not because of the bodies they were born with, but because of the minds they cultivated. 5-foot-nothin' is the captain of a small passenger liner in the Puget Sound Argosy fleet. 6'2" is in training to be a nurse. I will say that if it comes to a preference and I ever got to choose, I'd lean toward taller women becuase I'm 6 feet tall and it hurts my back to dance with a short woman.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN that I'd never date one again or ever. It isn't the body, it's how she feels within it and how she expresses herself physically with it. I don't care how attractive you are, if you can't find your own clitoris, this is a problem. Don't expect the men or women in your life to teach you everything. Yes, that kind of teaching is fun, but not all the time.

Gentlemen, same goes for you. Read a book here and there, and you'll be pleasantly surprised the next time you're in a carnal bear-hug, because you might actually KNOW something.

I can abide curves, stick-figures, what-have-you. What I cannot abide is being chronically ill from lack of exercise. If you can't see your own penis or vagina, START WORKING OUT and STOP GORGING. By "gorging" I mean eating without conscience -- the last thing I need is some eating disorder superhero jumping up and down at me.

We are more than our bodies, but our bodies carry our minds. We owe it our sense of self to NOT let the carriage of our very being become dilapidated and wheeze at the top of one flight of stairs. Some intellectual experiences can only be had at the end of a long hike...I'd hate to be shut out of them for the irrational love of Twinkies.

Now I realize that this means some of you wags will assume I'm unattracted to disability. I've dated deaf and amputee women. So, back off, you semi-clever loopholers, you.

You needn't be an athlete, but you shouldn't be Jabba thhe Hutt, either. Attractive is the vast sum of many things, most of which are in our minds. Hormones are for the moment, what is genuine outlives galaxies.

Be yourselves, people, and only change if YOU see the need. That includes assholes like me urging you not to potato the couch. Just realize that "yourself" is a thing that needs updates and self-examination every so often. That way, you're not caught in "victim" mode and wondering why nobody wants to get busy with you (especially if "being yourself" means deliberately ignoring hygiene).

Peace.

One more thing.

For the so-called "flat chested" among you women, the best post-sexual experience I can recall is a slender woman lying atop me and being able to feel her heartbeat through her chest without the interference of oversized naughty bits.

Then again, a good Guatemalan Muscle Fuck is nice too.





That's mammary sex, for those unfamiliar with my arcane slang.

Hmm. I guess Breast reduction is basically just removing fat. For some reason I'm generally okay with it. A small/practically no chest does not get in the way, but I can imagine that very large breasts can be quite annoying. Heck, my breasts are average, and even then they can get in the way a bit. So I respect a woman's decision to remove a load that probably wouldn't naturally lighten itself. She should be warned, though; reduced breasts have been known to get big again, although that's often a dietary thing!
Yay for accepting people's decisions! And she's working on having a healthier diet as well. Out of curiosity, are you not, or less, okay with people having breast surgery that increases the size of breasts?
They actually made clothes that let UV rays through, so there IS a way. :cool:
Thats crazy.

I’m pale, and not ashamed of it. It’s the way I was made. I’d much rather remain pale and not be all wrinkly or have skin cancer in 30 years time, thank you very much. Either that, or use fake tan and have oompa-loompa-itis. Or at least unnaturally dark palms. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being comfortable in your own skin (as in with the colour of you skin). Sure, it would be great to have more olive-coloured skin so that if I were in a Mediterranean country I wouldn’t constantly run the risk of burning, but you’ve got to make do with what you’ve got. There’s no way that I could possibly get a tan on my entire body (comfortably and legally!) so I’d rather not have patches of darkness and paleness.
You don't get me. I'm saying that tan isn't attractive. Not trying to be Aryan or anything, but pale is good.

You? Ugly? To be brutally honest, your teeth aren't 'perfect'

You shouldn't feel the need to post a picture either, but if you're brave enough, then respect to you.

Regarding the upper half, I don't want perfect anything.
And below, Respect to me it is then :P.

I’d much rather remain pale and not be all wrinkly or have skin cancer in 30 years time, thank you very much. Either that, or use fake tan and have oompa-loompa-itis.
It amazes me how much you northerners overrate skin cancer. It's not like: 'ZOMG! I'm in the sun so i'm definitely gonna get cancer!!!!!'. It's like VD, if you take care, you will be fine, otherwise...Well, you know what i mean.
Of course, pale chicks should stay out of the sun, unless they're using a SPF 80 sunscreen or something or if they wanna get all reddish and scaly. LOL.
But anyway, skin cancer is overrated up there. If getting skin cancer were so easy, 99% of the brazilian population between the ages of 0-45 would be dead. Oh and fake tan sucks hard, stay away from that shit.

You don't get me. I'm saying that tan isn't attractive. Not trying to be Aryan or anything, but pale is good.

Wtf you talkin bout? Tan chicks ftw.

Wtf you talkin bout? Tan chicks ftw.
QFT. I wish my current girlfriend wasn't so pale. :(

QFT. I wish my current girlfriend wasn't so pale. :(Paint her with chocolate sause :rolleyes:

Paint her with chocolate sause
I like tanned girls...Not black.
Seriously, i'm not racist, i'm not a white-supremacist, fuck, i'm not even white. But I just can't 'click' with black chicks. I mean, nothing against them, i have a lot of black friends, but i just don't see myself dating a black girl...I wonder why.:confused:

Wtf you talkin bout? Tan chicks ftw.
What's FTW? Where do you live?

QFT. I wish my current girlfriend wasn't so pale. :(
What's the problem?

What's FTW? Where do you live?


Ftw is what internet retards such as myself use to denote for the win. And I live in new england, so it's not tan city like Florida, or what have you.

Ftw is what internet retards such as myself use to denote for the win. And I live in new england, so it's not tan city like Florida, or what have you.

In my opinion, women from the Northeast look way better than those from further South. I knew plenty of them back when I lived in Port Aransas (Yankeeville of the Southwest!).

And, judging from personal experience, they're usually smarter by a rather wide margin.

What's the problem?
Well, i must confess that i'd love to see tanlines when i...well, you got the point. Even though she goes to the beach like every week, she can't get a nice tan, which is kind of sad. I still love her, though, and wouldn't trade her for the world. :)

I like tanned girls...Not black.Well, if it's too dark, you can always lick it off. ;) But I don't think a light coating would make someone too brown, a bit sticky probably, but that's another matter.

Well, i must confess that i'd love to see tanlines when i...well, you got the point. Really? I can't stand tanlines to be honest. I prefer people more evenly colored.

Would I be a "real woman" (ignoring the fact that I'm 12 days shy of tunrning 15)?

I have long, almost waist0length blonde hair, 5'4, 100 lbs, BMI of 17.2. Plus, eh?

On the negative, I have acne. Severe acne.

Am I a real woman, or an ideal one?

My belief is, real women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but it's the brains that count.

I guess the term "real woman" was used without definition or justification. What I really want to say is that all women are beautiful (inside and out), and that sexy=healthy. Happy birthday for 12 days. && Even though your bmi is low, I'm beginning to realise that bmi is very unreliable and considering you're only 14, you're probably meant to still be "small".

Ruberica;12129171']I think women are not judged fairly. There are some women, like me, who have hormonal problems. I have PCOS and by having an elevated insulin production in my body, it messes with me female hormones and one of the side effects is smelling food and gaining 10 pounds. I am very limited in my health care and money so it's hard to join into the diet fads or gyms and stuff. Also, healthy foods are much more expensive that unhealthy so it's a lot easier to buy a bunch of junk food for a lot of people.

You know, I've strugged with my weight for my whole life and I doubt that will change now, and people are always super quick to judge me by my size and not who I am. I just really, strongly think that a lot of people have impossible expectations for all of us. I guess I am lucky because I am married to a wonderful man who doesn't mind some weight. But you know there are other people with much more severe health problems like a thyroid problem, or something else... I guess what I'd like to say is that you should get to know that person and thier problems before you say "no way" cause it is truely hard to live your life being fat >< Forgive me if I'm babbling... Oh and merry christmas! :D lol


My mother has a thyroid problem too, so I understand. I do think that all women are beautiful, but the opinion I personally have about "conventional" beauty is that it should be based around an image of health and happiness. As long as you're trying to stay as healthy and happy as you can, I think that makes a person potentially attractive.

I guess the term "real woman" was used without definition or justification. What I really want to say is that all women are beautiful (inside and out), and that sexy=healthy. Happy birthday for 12 days. && Even though your bmi is low, I'm beginning to realise that bmi is very unreliable and considering you're only 14, you're probably meant to still be "small".

Yeah, BMI isn't reliable if you're still a teenager, because for a teen that's actually normal but for an adult that's underweight.

Though I'm too skinny anyway. :(

Knowyourright, you have been very proactive on this thread today! I salute you at your dedication. Especially seeing as your posts have consisted of more than fluffles…

It’s nice to know that somebody read my post way after I posted it. I think it is a real issue for women. There’s all these different body shapes competing to be the ideal one, that often it’s forgotten that if your body shape isn’t the current trend it can make you feel awful. Some girls I know with no curves have at times felt awful about it. Other girls I know with naturally very curvy (and healthy at that) figures have turned anorexic because they were among a minority of skinny girls in my year at school. I had a very skinny, ‘popular’-girl majority in my year at school; just as well that I don’t have low self esteem, because they could be nasty.

I'm pretty passionate about this topic, and I like to hear other people's opinions. My mind has been changed slightly just by reading what other people have to say. While I, personally, am learning not to admire severely underweight girls because it triggers my eating disorder, I can now accept that they are still beautiful, and some of them can't help it. I think that all women should be allowed to feel beautiful the way they are. Unfortunately, I still think that our society views one particular body type as being "ideal", and it's simply not fair. If suddenly it was "hot" to be overweight, a wide majority would probably try to gain weight!


You and me both! I’ve had a lot of comments from foreign people about their confusion with the Irish’s need to be tanned. It's led many an Englishman I've talked to refer to the general Irish female population as 'chavs'.
I’m pale, and not ashamed of it. It’s the way I was made. I’d much rather remain pale and not be all wrinkly or have skin cancer in 30 years time, thank you very much. Either that, or use fake tan and have oompa-loompa-itis. Or at least unnaturally dark palms. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being comfortable in your own skin (as in with the colour of you skin). Sure, it would be great to have more olive-coloured skin so that if I were in a Mediterranean country I wouldn’t constantly run the risk of burning, but you’ve got to make do with what you’ve got. There’s no way that I could possibly get a tan on my entire body (comfortably and legally!) so I’d rather not have patches of darkness and paleness.

I'm very pale, naturally, and I burn within 5 minutes in the sun! I love my porcelein skin, and I think it makes me unique. I've had fake tans, and whilst they're fun in summer, they don't really suit me as a person. All skin colours are beautiful, and I hate that sometimes I get picked on because I'm so pale.

Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..

You're a cutie and you have no reason to think otherwise!

QFT. I wish my current girlfriend wasn't so pale. :(

I'm female, but I can still appreciate another girl's appearance and sexuality, and I really think that pale skin can be very femminine and seductive. Personally, I'm not a fan of the tanned beach blonde look.

Any particular reason you've not responded to my post, KYR?

Any particular reason you've not responded to my post, KYR?

Which one?
This is what I got just then when I searched your posts. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=649414

See women have at least one advantage, it seems - the ability (of a lot of them) to go through a good chunk of life without ever having to deal with rejection. :(


Well, I didn't mean that I've never been rejected. Yeah, I've been rejected, but not because of the way my body looks. As far as I know!

I like skinny guys...skinny guys aren't as intimidating, and seeing as I'm androphobic, that's always good.

Where do you live?
I will be right over!

;)

Oh please, you know you'd want a chick with a perfect body. Why can't girls want the same thing (the perfect guy body)?

Well I have to admit that my ex-wife is a very beautiful girl but she hardly has a "perfect" body.

I prefer my woman thin (not skeletal but on the skinny side) but I think that has more to do with myself being thin than anything else.

I generally judge people by their character and most of my relationships have been with women that I was friends with first.

I feel pressured by the Expected Attractiveness of women... It's too high... But then again.. What girl my age isn't..?? I've been told I'm ugly...What do you think...?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b187/Freaky_Princess678/OrlaLookingAround-1.jpg

I think you are very pretty and you should not be listening to anyone that is telling you different.

Well, i must confess that i'd love to see tanlines when i...well, you got the point. Even though she goes to the beach like every week, she can't get a nice tan, which is kind of sad. I still love her, though, and wouldn't trade her for the world. :)
No, that's a good thing. Tan is mild sunburn. Your girlfriend is heat resistant!

I'm female, but I can still appreciate another girl's appearance and sexuality, and I really think that pale skin can be very femminine and seductive. Personally, I'm not a fan of the tanned beach blonde look.
Yes! I agree totally. I don't know who thought it was a good idea for blonde hair to go with tanned skin. Tan goes much better with dark hair, and paleness with blonde hair.

Do you really think you ought to place a person's value or status as a human on something like weight? Even people with unhealthy weights (either too heavy or too thin) are real people, and deserve respect. Having an eating disorder doesn't make someone a bad person.

Which one?
This is what I got just then when I searched your posts. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/search.php?searchid=649414

This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12129454&postcount=196) post. It was on the 2nd page. Sorry to have buried it like that....

Do you really think you ought to place a person's value or status as a human on something like weight? Even people with unhealthy weights (either too heavy or too thin) are real people, and deserve respect. Having an eating disorder doesn't make someone a bad person.

Considering that I have an eating disorder, you really haven't read my post correctly. The word "real" was in quotation marks. "Real women" is a term that is used a lot, with out any real definition. I think all people are beautiful, and those who are healthy are exceptionally so.

I don't care how attractive you are, if you can't find your own clitoris, this is a problem. Don't expect the men or women in your life to teach you everything. Yes, that kind of teaching is fun, but not all the time.

I don't think that's really the issue at hand. Are you saying that you'll accept any body type as long as they are sexually experienced? Part of sex is finding out about each other's bodies through experimentation. I have never found helping a guy find his favourite position/technique etc. Perhaps you should learn where the clitoris is.

I can abide curves, stick-figures, what-have-you. What I cannot abide is being chronically ill from lack of exercise. If you can't see your own penis or vagina, START WORKING OUT and STOP GORGING. By "gorging" I mean eating without conscience -- the last thing I need is some eating disorder superhero jumping up and down at me.

To be fair, it isn't neccisarily someone's fault if they suffer from binge eating disorder. Over eating often stems from boredom, depression and other underlying issues. I think that exercise is important too. Also, can you define "stick figure" for me, please?

We are more than our bodies, but our bodies carry our minds. We owe it our sense of self to NOT let the carriage of our very being become dilapidated and wheeze at the top of one flight of stairs. Some intellectual experiences can only be had at the end of a long hike...I'd hate to be shut out of them for the irrational love of Twinkies.

I hope you would also hate to be "shut out" of those experiences because you're suffering an electrolyte imbalance from purging or haven't eaten for days.

Be yourselves, people, and only change if YOU see the need. That includes assholes like me urging you not to potato the couch. Just realize that "yourself" is a thing that needs updates and self-examination every so often. That way, you're not caught in "victim" mode and wondering why nobody wants to get busy with you (especially if "being yourself" means deliberately ignoring hygiene).

You realise all fat people aren't disgusting, right? But I agree that exercise is important, but so is a healthy diet. There can be such thing as too much exercise, too.

Yes! I agree totally. I don't know who thought it was a good idea for blonde hair to go with tanned skin. Tan goes much better with dark hair, and paleness with blonde hair.

I have dark hair and eyes, and pale skin.

Please, point out where, and I'll defend my right to say whatever I've said.



No, I'm not trying to tell you that. It's just better to have wide hips & sufficient body fat to bear children.

This tells me different.

Considering that women are meant to have curves in order to bear children, most men generally expect them to at least have hips, even if they are thin.







If I wanted to say "these men" have an attraction to underage boys, I would have said so. I just find it hard to understand why they would find women, who appear to have practically the same measurements as a young boy, attractive. Girls who fit "size 0" jeans effectively have the same waist size as Target's measurements for 7 year old males.

Yes, but it's your wording. As a woman who fits that body type, I find it insulting to be compared to a prepubescent boy. I also find it insulting that people have trouble believing that males are atttracted to me. I have no trouble accepting that males are attracted to a wide range of body types, personalities, facial structures, skin tones, heights, eye colours, eye shapes, body features etc. I personally find certain traits in females unattractive, but I recognise that my opinion is mine only, and that it is impolite to make disparaging comments about certain physical traits shared by people.



It's okay. There's no need to apologise to me.

In polite society, it's the done thing when you are wrong, or have misinterpreted someone's comments, thoughts or opinions.



I think that if other posters have a problem with me or my opinions, you should allow them the right to defend themselves. And I'm not apologising for insulting your myspace. Personally, I don't like the layout, but it may appeal to others. I don't particularly like your attitude, and I think that's fair enough to say. The only reason why I looked at it was because the link was in your signature. Considering that it says "i have a myspace. don't judge me" I thought I'd at least learn a little more about you before I made any assumptions.

I am not denying them that right. NSG posters are well-able to defend themselves if they wish. I was merely pointing out that you engage in personal attacks when others disagree with you or state opinions in a way you don't like, and that I personally, find your personal attacks on my character, intelligence and job inappropriate and offensive. There is a difference between, "I don't like your layout." and what you actually said to me. The former is an opinion which you have every right to hold. The latter is a demeaning and puerile attack on me.

I don't know you that well, but you're probably a lot more than a pair of tits anyway. Honestly, don't stress about it.

Awww that's so sweet...Wanna get to know me better? ;)

You rule.

That's what the tiara says :D

That image is actually photoshopped.

A pity. I liked it.

Personally, I feel these days, women and teenagers like myself, are expected more highly than they should be. We are compared to supermodels and celebrities who look like they are "made in China" and half plastic. For me, that is not what real women should look like.. I am called many names and am taunted for being "ugly" and I don't expect that to stop any time soon, but I have self confidence, which makes me feel like I'm half way there already.
Tell me what you think.. Here I am..

Awwwe...
You are beautiful, no matter what anyone says, k?

I totally agree with you.

And do you think that this ideal woman should accept your body type as it is?
I think the stereotypes of how men are meant to look are unfair too!

Yeah. I wish skinny guys were in. Then i'd be in luck. :p

I think you are very pretty and you should not be listening to anyone that is telling you different.
I must agree with you. :)

Awww that's so sweet...Wanna get to know me better? ;)


Hahaha. Well, I don't see the harm in that... ;)

Same in Europe, but still no bizarre obsession. Maybe the American women are crap?




I think you hit the jackpot!

Big, Small, Short and Tall, ooo I love em every one..

Beauty is more in the way you carry yourself.. Confidence.. that sort of thing.

If you are happy, it shows, and it makes you more appealing to me.

In my time before I was married, I dated any girl I could.. Play the field.. find that perfect one before settling down.

I did, and while I still like to look at the menu, I still only order one meal. :)

And my wife? She's not the "perfect woman" to others, but to me, she is, and always will be.. And she doesn't care how I get my appetite, as long as I come home for dinner. And the same for her. She wants to go see the Chippendales or something? Sure hon, have fun. Hell, I'd even go with her once.

After all, she took me to a exotic nightclub and bought me a lapdance (and I got her one lol) And we both had a blast there (AND when we got home, lol)

So yea... a real woman is a woman you can talk to, and who'll talk back, and can be the other side of you.

How old was Brooke in that picture (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h190/know_your_right/201588pw400.jpg)?

She was a sex pot for sure.

Awwwe...
You are beautiful, no matter what anyone says, k?

I totally agree with you.

Orla, why are you quoting Christina Aguilera? And why are you on here on Christmas day? Come to think of it.. why am I?! :confused: :eek:

Orla, why are you quoting Christina Aguilera? And why are you on here on Christmas day? Come to think of it.. why am I?! :confused: :eek:

...Because we have nothing better to do?

I don't think that's really the issue at hand. Are you saying that you'll accept any body type as long as they are sexually experienced? Part of sex is finding out about each other's bodies through experimentation. I have never found helping a guy find his favourite position/technique etc. Perhaps you should learn where the clitoris is.

Trust me, honey. I know where it is. In fact, I know where yours is. You seem to have a gi-normous chip on your shoulder. Perhaps you should come to terms with your own issues before projecting them on an online forum.

And no, YOU're saying that I'll accept...etc. In fact, YOU're misinterpreting a lot of things that nobody's actually said. Part of sex is indeed discovering one anothers' bodies, but what kind of exploration can there be without knowledge -- at least SOME knowledge -- of self?

To be fair, it isn't neccisarily someone's fault if they suffer from binge eating disorder. Over eating often stems from boredom, depression and other underlying issues. I think that exercise is important too. Also, can you define "stick figure" for me, please?

And boredom IS someone's fault. There goes part of your argument. Depression is certainly not something you can assign fault to, but leaving it untreated, well, that's at least a bit of a grey area.

A stick figure is someone who is unnaturally thin for their body type. Nicole Richie was a stick figure for a while, apparently, not that I really give a fig.

I hope you would also hate to be "shut out" of those experiences because you're suffering an electrolyte imbalance from purging or haven't eaten for days.

Well, having suffered from electrolye imbalances in my past, I can tell you they're unpleasant. Then again, I don't have image issues, or whatever psychological damage causes so-called eating disorders (funny how these disorders never seem to happen in places where food is scarce...that could be why sympathy is hard to dredge up).

You realise all fat people aren't disgusting, right? But I agree that exercise is important, but so is a healthy diet. There can be such thing as too much exercise, too.

I not only realize it, sugar, I SAID it. Sexy is as sexy does, thinks and feels. But guess what, even you, by your own words, admit that at least SOME fat people ARE disgusting.

Too much exercise? I've heard of that, sure, but it's hardly the epidemic obesity is. In fact, it is to epidemics what the Valu tribe of New Guinea is to world affairs -- a non-factor. You're reaching really, really far with that attempted comparison, and it just goes to show to what lengths apologists will go for their chosen gris-gris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigri) (check the definition under "Phrase").

...Because we have nothing better to do?

Good point.. :rolleyes:

I've been debating on a few topics recently that discuss body image, body mass index, weight and eating disorders. This is something I am passionate about, so I'm going to ask what everybody classifies as healthy.
Are curves beautiful, womanly and natural?
Are women meant to be thin?
What size should women be?
[BEFORE YOU ANSWER THIS, please look at this conversion chart, so you can properly discuss sizing. http://www.onlineconversion.com/clothing_womens.htm ]

I think a women should be able to maintain her weight through healthy eating and some exercise. Healthy eating means not eating under the recommended caloric intake, which is around 2000 for a female. I also think women should not have to starve themselves to look a certain way.

-snip-

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h190/know_your_right/jessicaalba1.jpg

she looks healthy and tasty to me, but probably not all that "real" in the sense that her perfect skin and perfectly symmetrical looks are not going to be the average. however, is the average "real", or is "real" what one percieves to be the ideal, or even the best in the range of normal women's shapes and sizes out there?

i like jessica alba, above, and gail porter (below) in part for their attractive, kind/warm looks (its all in the eyes and smile!), but also in a large part for their phisique, which to me look healthy and not skinny, but at the same time nicely thin while full-figured and curvy (especially gail porter) and fit....

http://www.gail-porter-world.co.uk/Pics2/gp121.jpg

http://www.gail-porter-world.co.uk/Pics2/gp175.jpg

http://www.gail-porter-world.co.uk/Pics5/gp476.jpg

http://www.gail-porter-world.co.uk/Pics1/gp020.jpg

http://www.gail-porter-world.co.uk/Pics4/gp341.jpg

i also like louise nurding

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5690/louisenurding10gv1.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/74/louisenurding12pb0.jpg


i don't know if what i think about women is "right" or not, or - of course - if these are "real women".... for me, these are real women in the sense of them being the kind of women i find most attractive, compared with other sizes & shapes of women, and as such these three exemplify the things i like most, visually, about women, and as such could be said to be "real women"
it depends how you define the term, but i'm going on what the OP hinted at (no i have not bothered to read this rather long thread..... i just thought it'd be fun to hunt for some pictures of tasty ladies :p)


i should say i have a girlfriend (who may read this...) who is wonderfully beautiful and pretty, as well as volumptuous and 'full figured', and also all-round fantastic, smart and brilliant too :fluffle:
and she knows i find her (very VERY) attractive even if she doesn't quite have the physique of these women above (though she's pretty damn close... just a bit of belly hehe)



edit: Big, Small, Short and Tall, ooo I love em every one..

Beauty is more in the way you carry yourself.. Confidence.. that sort of thing.

If you are happy, it shows, and it makes you more appealing to me.

In my time before I was married, I dated any girl I could.. Play the field.. find that perfect one before settling down.

I did, and while I still like to look at the menu, I still only order one meal.

And my wife? She's not the "perfect woman" to others, but to me, she is, and always will be.. And she doesn't care how I get my appetite, as long as I come home for dinner. And the same for her. She wants to go see the Chippendales or something? Sure hon, have fun. Hell, I'd even go with her once.

After all, she took me to a exotic nightclub and bought me a lapdance (and I got her one lol) And we both had a blast there (AND when we got home, lol)

So yea... a real woman is a woman you can talk to, and who'll talk back, and can be the other side of you.

if we're talking non-visual and non- purely-phsical, then i totally agree with you. hell, i just agree with you full stop!
to qualify my post above, i am only talking about the physical and visual aspects that make a 'real woman' to me (i'm not that shallow to think that's all that counts.... but i'm also not naive or blind enough to think that it doesn't! :P )


edit2: more 'real woman' yummyness (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9647/lucypinder1ro8.jpg)

If it's not healthy, it's not attractive - male or female.

If it's not healthy, it's not attractive - male or female.And that goes for both body and mind

Trust me, honey. I know where it is. Care to back that statement up with a little -I don't know- proof?

In fact, I know where yours is. Aaaw that's sweet, you seem to have 'sense of loathing' confused with 'clitoris'

You seem to have a gi-normous chip on your shoulder. Perhaps you should come to terms with your own issues before projecting them on an online forum.The best advice is the kind practiced on oneself

And no, YOU're saying that I'll accept...etc. In fact, YOU're misinterpreting a lot of things that nobody's actually said. Part of sex is indeed discovering one anothers' bodies, but what kind of exploration can there be without knowledge -- at least SOME knowledge -- of self?
Shorthand 'I wank therefore I am sex-god' -any girl stupid enough to fuck you will soon learn her mistake... really soon... really, really, soon...

And boredom IS someone's fault. If you say it, it must be true. Never mind the fact everything from a Presidential address, to a reading of the Tax Code is evidence to the contrary.

There goes part of your argument. Depression is certainly not something you can assign fault to, but leaving it untreated, well, that's at least a bit of a grey area.Depression is found to have a direct link to sexual abuse and other childhood factors -blame assigned.

A stick figure is someone who is unnaturally thin for their body type. Nicole Richie was a stick figure for a while, apparently, not that I really give a fig.Then why make a point about it?


Well, having suffered from electrolye imbalances in my past, I can tell you they're unpleasant. Then again, I don't have image issues, or whatever psychological damage causes so-called eating disorders (funny how these disorders never seem to happen in places where food is scarce...that could be why sympathy is hard to dredge up).So-called eating disorders and are established medical fact, in addition, they are not commonly sighted in countries where the reasons for malnutrition and starvation are socio-economic and psychological.


I not only realize it, sugar, I SAID it. Sexy is as sexy does, thinks and feels. But guess what, even you, by your own words, admit that at least SOME fat people ARE disgusting.Sexy is NOT as sexy does. Sometimes fugly like to act sexy, too. Women with 'womanly curves' are naturally attractive. Unheathly overweight or underweight people are unattractive. That's a little trait nature built in to help us survive as a species.

Too much exercise? I've heard of that, sure, but it's hardly the epidemic obesity is. In fact, it is to epidemics what the Valu tribe of New Guinea is to world affairs -- a non-factor. You're reaching really, really far with that attempted comparison, and it just goes to show to what lengths apologists will go for their chosen gris-gris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigri) (check the definition under "Phrase"). Over-exercise is a HUGE problem and the worst part of it, is that it causes injury and death amoung a group of people who should otherwise be most likely to suceed in life.

Finally, just because you found a word in wiki, does not give you the right to wait what appears to be five seconds to whore it out on jolt.

Care to back that statement up with a little -I don't know- proof?

Not on your best day, princess.

Aaaw that's sweet, you seem to have 'sense of loathing' confused with 'clitoris'

I only loathe the deliberately inaccurate. You'll do.

The best advice is the kind practiced on oneself

A good retort until you completely contradict it with...

Shorthand 'I wank therefore I am sex-god' -any girl stupid enough to fuck you will soon learn her mistake... really soon... really, really, soon...

So, we shouldn't practice on ourselves. Got it. By the way, I've probably been fucking longer than you've been alive -- and I'll end the comparison portion of that statement there before this thread is subjected to such gem retorts as "that's what she TOLD you, but..." and the like.

No, wanking alone doesn't make one a "sex-god". I've been deliberately ministerpreted before, just never so poorly.

If you say it, it must be true. Never mind the fact everything from a Presidential address, to a reading of the Tax Code is evidence to the contrary.

Therefore we're to disregard your entire post as well? Got it.

Depression is found to have a direct link to sexual abuse and other childhood factors -blame assigned.

I didn't say depression needed blame, rather that blame is inconsistent, and not treating it is certainly a culpable problem. Funny you should mention those two particular causes -- you got something you need to get off your chest?

Then why make a point about it?

Well, I'll just go out on a limb (by reading the post I was quoting) and answer this with "because the post asked for a definition of stick figure and I thought I'd mention a pop culture example". The not-giving-a-fig bit was in regard to Nicole Richie specifically, not sitck figures in general. That's as simple as I could make that -- given how atrociously you've misinterpreted damn near everything I've typed, I figured I'd try to help you.

So-called eating disorders and are established medical fact, in addition, they are not commonly sighted in countries where the reasons for malnutrition and starvation are socio-economic and psychological.

Psychological trauma leading to medical problem...so...you've basically just reiterated my post in your own defensive language. Cool. So what?

Sexy is NOT as sexy does. Sometimes fugly like to act sexy, too. Women with 'womanly curves' are naturally attractive. Unheathly overweight or underweight people are unattractive. That's a little trait nature built in to help us survive as a species.

It doesn't appear to be working very well, does it? Check out the stats on US obesity. Hell, visit Vegas or other popular vacation destinations and tell me how well your "survival of the species" theory is working.

Incidentally, you just brought up appearance deficits by using the word "fugly" -- who said anything about the visually unpleasant? This is a thread about size and shape, not "fugly". As far as the unhealthy extremes of weight being unattractive, legions of BBW fans and men who obsess over thin-ness (that word never looks right without a hyphen) would disagree.

Over-exercise is a HUGE problem and the worst part of it, is that it causes injury and death amoung a group of people who should otherwise be most likely to suceed in life.

Huge compared to obesity? Are you for real?

Finally, just because you found a word in wiki, does not give you the right to wait what appears to be five seconds to whore it out on jolt.

Alright. I've been reasonably polite, given your snideness, riiiiiight up until that last bit. I "found" that word a long time ago. I wasn't sure how to spell it, as I've never had the occasion to write or type it before now. Wiki was the first source to pop up on a Google search of the closest spelling I'd guessed. You want to have a no-reference vocabulary contest, I'll be glad to oblige. And who are you to delineate ANYone's "right" to link to any source they wish?

See, it's this kind of imperious, self-righteous posturing that makes ED apologists like you so hard to bear in conversation. I have no idea what your problem is, and it would be rude to speculate, but you can back riiiight off on insulting my vocabulary, you intellectually meretricious chancreblossom.