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The Christian heaven, if you think about it, is a communist, totalarian society. God owns everything (communism) and can do whatever he wants (dictator). Of course, he's a benevolent dictator.

Communism isn't one person or entity owning everything. That's Totalitarianism. Communism is everybody owning everything (save for personal items).

I hate having to clear things up all the time...

There are classes in Heaven, Angels, Seraphim, Archangels.

You need to read Phillip Pullman's "His dark materials" series.

http://www.bridgetothestars.net/

Technically, God "owns" everything right now. He did create the universe, after all, although I have no doubt that God's concept of ownership is one vastly removed from ours.

Hmm, this must be the capacity in which all spiritual matters are considered.

nice job, your a fuckin' genius.

Would that not be an absolute monarchy?

It is, after all, the Kingdom of Heaven.



(and the His Dark Materials series is probably the best I've ever read. It's phenomenal).

You need to read Phillip Pullman's "His dark materials" series.

http://www.bridgetothestars.net/

Good books. Their turning it into a movie soon. Just hope they don't screw it up like Eragon. Good god that movie was terrible.

There are classes in Heaven, Angels, Seraphim, Archangels.

But the classes aren't considered better than one another. They're just considered to be in a particular position.

Seconded. Eragon sucked. Perhaps I should have read the book.


A shocker at the movies:

(Thinking to self)

Oh, look at that nice, scaley underbelly. Oh my god, where's his penis? THE DRAGON'S A GIRL!!!!1111!!!!111

Oh, look at that nice, scaley underbelly. Oh my god, where's his penis? THE DRAGON'S A GIRL!!!!1111!!!!111

I always figured dragons' penes were concealed, you know, to prevent an overzealous hero from inadvertently castrating them in battle.

I always figured dragons' penes were concealed, you know, to prevent an overzealous hero from inadvertently castrating them in battle.

As a reptile (as best I can figure) wouldn't a dragon most likely have a hemipenis?

I always figured dragons' penes were concealed, you know, to prevent an overzealous hero from inadvertently castrating them in battle.

You've thought about that too much. I'm not sure what to think of you.

As a reptile (as best I can figure) wouldn't a dragon most likely have a hemipenis?

I take my last comment back and apply it to you.

Heaven would most definitely be a 'benevolent dictatorship'. Nothing communistic about it.

You've thought about that too much. I'm not sure what to think of you.

What can I say? I always wanted to make sure that nobody incapacitated the dragons in the first round of combat. :(

What can I say? I always wanted to make sure that nobody incapacitated the dragons in the first round of combat. :(

Your heart is in the right place. I was wrong to doubt you.

There is nothing to own in Heaven, therefore there is nothing to redistribute. Hence communism cannot exist there.

Similarly, there are no laws in Heaven, and therefore no despot to enforce them. Hence totalitarianism cannot exist there.

Heaven is actually a situation where there is no economic system, as per the fact that scarcity does not exist. There would be no need and no want, save for the desire to be closer to God. Calling it communist wouldn't fit, for the simple reason that communism involves scarcity, need and want (however flawed the distribution system of communism may be, it takes these factors into account.)

There is nothing to own in Heaven, therefore there is nothing to redistribute. Hence communism cannot exist there.

Similarly, there are no laws in Heaven, and therefore no despot to enforce them. Hence totalitarianism cannot exist there.

So, it's like an eternity of boredom? If I go to heaven, I'm gonna steal Jesus' sandals just to create some excitement.

Good books. Their turning it into a movie soon. Just hope they don't screw it up like Eragon. Good god that movie was terrible.

I agree on both counts.

I wish the people who wrote the screenplay had actually read the book instead of just the back cover.

they cut out two thirds of the book!

So, it's like an eternity of boredom? If I go to heaven, I'm gonna steal Jesus' sandals just to create some excitement.

Something tells me the Heaven News Network is full of stories of diety clothing thefts.

God owns everything (communism)

Ugh.

If heaven is the original and perfect state of being, i.e. complete unity with God, then God isn't so much a ruler or dictator as He is a life-force that is present or absent in humans to varying degrees. But probably not.

Heaven is actually a situation where there is no economic system, as per the fact that scarcity does not exist. There would be no need and no want, save for the desire to be closer to God. Calling it communist wouldn't fit, for the simple reason that communism involves scarcity, need and want (however flawed the distribution system of communism may be, it takes these factors into account.)

Technically speaking, communism in its pure form presuposes a point where society has conquered resource scarcity, and everyones needs and wants are met (within reason). I guess you could call heaven a representation of "pure communism," but then again, does anyone really know what heaven is really like? I think that it is probably just one giant orgy, if heaven indeed exists.

... Of course, he's a benevolent dictator.You haven't read the Bible, have you? :rolleyes:

God only smote a few people who opposed his laws to make examples of them. Otherwise, he stays out of people's affairs. That sounds like a 'benevolent dictatorship' to me.

God only smote a few people who opposed his laws to make examples of them. Otherwise, he stays out of people's affairs. That sounds like a 'benevolent dictatorship' to me.The biblical god's actions are not benevolent. They are tyrannical.

The biblical god's actions are not benevolent. They are tyrannical.
Sure, God is a regular Stalinist. If God didn't die, who knows who else would have gotten purged? :eek:

Great job proving your point.

I've often thought about this myself and even considered writing a short story based on the idea. Heaven might be pleasurable, but it sure doesn't sound very free. Eternal bliss may cut it for some people, but I'm not one of them.

The Christian heaven, if you think about it, is a communist, totalarian society. God owns everything (communism) and can do whatever he wants (dictator). Of course, he's a benevolent dictator.

No, it isn't. Because it doesn't exist. It can't be communistic or totalitarian if it doesn't exist.

The Christian heaven, if you think about it, is a communist, totalarian society. God owns everything (communism) and can do whatever he wants (dictator). Of course, he's a benevolent dictator.

No, it isn't. Because it doesn't exist. It can't be communistic or totalitarian if it doesn't exist.

I've also always thought that the Christian Heaven sounds a lot like communism, but more the North Korean variety. You toe the party line and worship the great leader, no dissent allowed in here. If you refuse this, well, then it's the gulag...

In fact, there's even a kind of reverse Pascal's wager to be found out of this. If God exists, then I'm sending myself to Hell deliberately, as a protest against His tyrrany.

Similarly, there are no laws in Heaven, and therefore no despot to enforce them. Hence totalitarianism cannot exist there.

Thereby, heaven....is anarchy? *pictures angels running around waving torches* :p

The Christian heaven, if you think about it, is a communist, totalarian society. God owns everything (communism) and can do whatever he wants (dictator). Of course, he's a benevolent dictator.

Hah. I knew it! Good thing I'm trying to get to Hell. Where capitalism will last forever, but does that mean that satanic communists will go to Heaven? (There is such a group that exists).

~Satanic Reverend Medved~

Well, unfortunetly there is no property in Heaven, and thus cannot be communist. There is also no real "law" as we know it in Heaven, because the people in Heaven are those who are considered good of heart. Heaven is beyond our scope of understanding.

Then again, I'm an atheist.

There is nothing to own in Heaven, therefore there is nothing to redistribute. Hence communism cannot exist there.

Similarly, there are no laws in Heaven, and therefore no despot to enforce them. Hence totalitarianism cannot exist there.
there are indications that Heaven belongs not just to God but to all faithful.
Matthew 5:3
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:10
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:14
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

as for possessions in Heaven
Matthew 6:19-20
[ Treasures in Heaven ] "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

Take it as you will. :p
I always figured dragons' penes were concealed, you know, to prevent an overzealous hero from inadvertently castrating them in battle.psst... Watch "Caveman" with Ringo Starr... what the Blind man does with the T-Rex... :D