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A question to Muslims - what exactly has Allah done for the world that is loving. He created it yes, but the Quran to me basicly says "be good and worship Allah and you will go to heaven". It seems to me that he's much more demanding than reaching out to his people.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people. Does the Quran suggest that Allah has made some kind of great gesture of love for his people. I'm open to ideas here

As a Christian I see my God as being loving

lmfao is that why she caused all those genocides

As for the question the Muslim God loves me more than the Christian God hence why only one damns me forever in hell for not believing

How about all the time and energy he took out of his busy schedule to send us prophets and messangers to tell us exactly how to reach paradise? Or the hope that paradise gives us, when in reality he owes us nothing at all? Or our very existences?

If you're looking for Allah incarnating himself and being nailed to a 2x4, you are deliberately asking for something Islam won't be giving you... and you know it.

The words Allah and God are interchangable in that they mean the same thing. The question becomes not what God/ Allah has done that is loving but what we, as followers or believers in God/ Allah has done that is loving.

There are some who bbelieve in a righteous Higher Power and others that believe in a Loving Higher Power. What becomes Religion is man's personal perception and perspective of his role in this creation. Each of the major Religions and, for that matter, Philosophies believe that it is man's role to live in harmony an peace in that which has been created. In this, the mere act of Creation is God's/ Allah's act of Love to humanity.

Of course ~ this is simply my perception.

Love Conquers Fear

Mike

As for the question the Muslim God loves me more than the Christian God hence why only one damns me forever in hell for not believing

Allah seems to be more about lack of belief than the Christian God. Hell in terms of Christianity, is a justice system, for sins. I'm not sure if the same is true in Islam or not because becoming a Muslim, to my knowledge, isnt about forgiving your sins. Certianly if it is there is a flaw. Forgiveness, in its nature, requires you to take the wrath you can legitmately inflict on those who have wronged you and take it upon yourself. God I can see has done that through Jesus, but I'm not sure how Allah does that

Is Allah loving?

Is Paul Bunyan tall?

How about all the time and energy he took out of his busy schedule to send us prophets and messangers to tell us exactly how to reach paradise? Or the hope that paradise gives us, when in reality he owes us nothing at all? Or our very existences?

He's God. He has infinite time and energy so sending us prophets etc would be no loss to him. Its no sacrifice for him to do that. He hasnt forfited his heavenly comforts or anything to do that.

I'm not nessecarly looking for God to be killed, I just see that Allah's love has no sacrifice involved to it, and love somehow does.

Neither of them have a god who actually loves the world, instead of just claiming to.
Remember, Jesus, according to Christian theology, only saved Christians.
Allah is better, in that he saves all good Jews and Christians in addition to all good Muslims, but he's still an ass to pagans.

How can Allah be loving, since neither He nor any other deity actually exists?

Allah seems to be more about lack of belief than the Christian God.

you haven’t really bothered reading the Koran have you be honest now

Hell in terms of Christianity, is a justice system,

one that punishes sodomy....is heaven in Georgia?

Forgiveness, in its nature, requires you to take the wrath you can legitmately inflict on those who have wronged you and take it upon yourself.

no its not

God I can see has done that through Jesus, but I'm not sure how Allah does that

prophets and such (it appears Allah is not into screwing blokes wives)

He's God. He has infinite time and energy so sending us prophets etc would be no loss to him. Its no sacrifice for him to do that. He hasnt forfited his heavenly comforts or anything to do that.

I'm not nessecarly looking for God to be killed, I just see that Allah's love has no sacrifice involved to it, and love somehow does.

It didn't hurt God the father any to send Jesus, either.
Besides, that all apparently means God is either sadistic, masochistic, or stupid. (He sent Jesus to save the world when he could have just done it himself, therefore either he enjoyed watching Jesus suffer, or he wanted to hurt himself for no good reason, or he sent someone to get killed for no reason.)

Note:For this and all following posts in the topic, the truth of Christianity is assumed. This is not because I actually believe it, it's because I don't care enough to argue about it.

How can Allah be loving, since neither He nor any other deity actually exists?

so why can't a fictional being love a human or animal you fascist! :mad: :p

He's God. He has infinite time and energy so sending us prophets etc would be no loss to him. Its no sacrifice for him to do that. He hasnt forfited his heavenly comforts or anything to do that.

I'm not nessecarly looking for God to be killed, I just see that Allah's love has no sacrifice involved to it, and love somehow does.

You claim Allah has infinite time and energy, so this world is no problem for him - untrue. With us, he must suffer the weight of our sins, our pride*cough*, our turning our back on his overtures, our killing in his name... yet he still offers us forgiveness. All we need to do is submit ourselves to his will and swear to live a good life.

You cannot compare these faiths and say that your Christian God is more forgiving or more sacrificial because he incarnated and suffered... he did that because it was the only way we could be saved. Islam doesn't see it that way - God will forgive us, we simply need to save ourselves by obeying him.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people.

I never understood this. What do you christians mean when you say that Jesus died for mankind? :confused:

so why can't a fictional being love a human or animal you fascist! :mad: :p

OOC: Hmm...maybe it's because the ability to love comes from a fully-functional, existant brain?

OOC: Hmm...maybe it's because the ability to love comes from a fully-functional, existant brain?

your tying to define love :eek:

edit: and ooc doesn't exist here only spam!

OOC: Hmm...maybe it's because the ability to love comes from a fully-functional, existant brain?

This forum is ooc, you don't need to add that.


Oh, and can you prove that a brain is needed to love? I doubt it highly.

A question to Muslims - what exactly has Allah done for the world that is loving. He created it yes, but the Quran to me basicly says "be good and worship Allah and you will go to heaven". It seems to me that he's much more demanding than reaching out to his people.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people. Does the Quran suggest that Allah has made some kind of great gesture of love for his people. I'm open to ideas here

He can he not be loving? He has created this wonderful world and has given many things within it to enjoy and take pleasure from. He has given us life! How can this not be loving? And all he asks of us is to praise him and to stay on the right path. Is this really to much to ask for everything he has done for us?

He can he not be loving? He has created this wonderful world and has given many things within it to enjoy and take pleasure from. He has given us life! How can this not be loving? And all he asks of us is to praise him and to stay on the right path. Is this really to much to ask for everything he has done for us?


Oh, how could I be so stupid! A god that tells his people to wage Jihad on all non-believers and enemies MUST be a loving god! And hell, telling people to beat their own wives if they disobey their husbands is a sure sign of love as well!

He's God. He has infinite time and energy so sending us prophets etc would be no loss to him. Its no sacrifice for him to do that. He hasnt forfited his heavenly comforts or anything to do that.

I'm not nessecarly looking for God to be killed, I just see that Allah's love has no sacrifice involved to it, and love somehow does.

Is doesn't matter who you believe created you, you are their creation. Is is not to big of a leap to say that you were created as a device to spread the love of your creator and that any love you give is counted as the love of your creator? This would work for sacrifice too would it not?

A question to Muslims - what exactly has Allah done for the world that is loving. He created it yes, but the Quran to me basicly says "be good and worship Allah and you will go to heaven". It seems to me that he's much more demanding than reaching out to his people.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people. Does the Quran suggest that Allah has made some kind of great gesture of love for his people. I'm open to ideas here

Gotta love signatures :p

Gotta love signatures :pNah, I hate 'em. That's why I keep them off. Why, does yours have anything important to say?

Nah, I hate 'em. That's why I keep them off. Why, does yours have anything important to say?

You can't see Signatures.

Neither can I.

Jesus Loves you. Allah wants you dead.

Plan accordingly.

Allah loves you, baby. You know that. You know Allah never meant to hurt you. It's just that sometimes, Allah has to set you straight. You know you did wrong. And when you do wrong, it hurts Allah. So, Allah has to hurt you a bit, baby. Allah doesn't want to. Why don't you run along now and show Allah how good you can be. Allah needs his greens, bitch. Allah needs his greens.

The words Allah and God are interchangable in that they mean the same thing

I've never understood why people don't get this. Christians who speak Arabic pray to "Allah" too. "Allah" is just the Arabic word for God.

A question to Muslims - what exactly has Allah done for the world that is loving. He created it yes, but the Quran to me basicly says "be good and worship Allah and you will go to heaven". It seems to me that he's much more demanding than reaching out to his people.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people. Does the Quran suggest that Allah has made some kind of great gesture of love for his people. I'm open to ideas here

what would it matter?

You people must be retarded

Yahweh = God = Allah

All 3 major religions come from the same book, and all three religious peoples are descendents of Abraham. So by saying Allah is not loving you are saying God is not loving, perhaps you should read the Quran which says Muhammed was the last Prophet, and Jesus was a Prophet before him, preaching the gospel of the same God.

You should also look into Arian Christianity (not Nazi) which seperates the trinity into three beings. It was wiped out by the Byzantines, but I still find it to make more sense than the stuff they preach now.

All 3 major religions come from the same book

i don't recall reading about vishnu in leviticus

Oh, how could I be so stupid! A god that tells his people to wage Jihad on all non-believers and enemies MUST be a loving god! And hell, telling people to beat their own wives if they disobey their husbands is a sure sign of love as well!

You seem to forget he also told the Israelites to massacre the Caanites in the 'promised land'. And condones beating your children and spouse.

So, how is the Christian god more loving the the Muslim god?
I recognize they're actually the same, but still...

Apparently, he doesn't want people to have porn. So no, not very loving at all.

... I see my God as being loving in that he was ... God = Allah.

Apparently, he doesn't want people to have porn. So no, not very loving at all.

I don't often qft, but QFMFT.

Let's assume for one moment that some Christian versions of God and Allah are NOT one and the same.

God: "I had my son die so I can save SOME people, but the rest of you go to HELL regardless of being nice! KYAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I made no big sacrifice for anyone, but, if you're good, you're saved."

Unitarian Universalism: "I made no big sacrifice for anyone, but, if you're good, you'll be saved faster. If you're not good, you'll eventually become good enough to be saved."

So, Christian one: "I love MY PEOPLE enough to sacrifice my son for them even though I really could save them without this. The other 4 billion? HELL!! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I love everyone that's good, regardless of following my religion."

UU: "I love everyone and will help everyone out eventually."

Yes.

Yes.

Gee, who would have thought YOU of all people would say that. :D

(Just a joke on your name.)

You people must be retarded

Yahweh = God = Allah

All 3 major religions come from the same book, and all three religious peoples are descendents of Abraham. So by saying Allah is not loving you are saying God is not loving, perhaps you should read the Quran which says Muhammed was the last Prophet, and Jesus was a Prophet before him, preaching the gospel of the same God.

You should also look into Arian Christianity (not Nazi) which seperates the trinity into three beings. It was wiped out by the Byzantines, but I still find it to make more sense than the stuff they preach now.

"All three religions have the same God" is an historically true statement, but in a practical sense it is not. The God of the Old Testament is different to the God of the New Testament who is different from the God of the Quran.

And you shouldn't use the phrase "Arian Christianity". Arianism does not really seperate the trinity into three beings, it denies the trinity. This difference is not as subtle as you may think: the Arians did not believe that Jesus was God, and thus it is not a Christian denomination.

I never understood this. What do you christians mean when you say that Jesus died for mankind? :confused:

Allow me to elaborate for you

There is a problem we all have. The problem is sin. We all have done things that we know we shouldnt, those things are what the Bible calls sins. Now sins, by there nature, demand punishment. Punishment that only God can bring forward as he is by his nature without sin. The problem is God doesnt want to punish us all for sins, because that means sending us to hell. He doesnt want to do that because he loves us. And that is where Jesus comes in. Jesus steps in to enable us to be forgiven. When you forgive someone, you are taking within yourself all the anger and animosity that you feel towards that person into yourself. Jesus took the punishment that you and I should rightfully have for sins. He took the punishment in all of our places. He had no sin of his own, yet he died. Meaning that it was not his own sin he was dying for

So in answer to your question, what does it mean that Jesus died for mankind, it means he took the bullet of sin for us so you can make a choice to take it yourself or not

Allah: "I made no big sacrifice for anyone, but, if you're good, you're saved."
Allah: "I love everyone that's good, regardless of following my religion."


Can you demonstrate those two being true. I understood that you had to submit to Allah first, that you had to declare that there was no God but Allah and his prophet Muhammad

Yes.

All check out the love of allahs homepage of NS, his region (quantum space 464) and then the regions forums.

Thats what Islams about for The love of Allah here.

But God ultimately punishes everyone, since he is the supreme authority in the universe and all that. What's the point of Jesus? It's like if someone was due to be executed by firing squad and was pardoned, but this was done by having someone else jump in front of the bullets. Why bother? Can't God just say 'Okay, you're all forgiven'?

Allow me to elaborate for you

There is a problem we all have. The problem is sin. We all have done things that we know we shouldnt, those things are what the Bible calls sins. Now sins, by there nature, demand punishment. Punishment that only God can bring forward as he is by his nature without sin. The problem is God doesnt want to punish us all for sins, because that means sending us to hell. He doesnt want to do that because he loves us. And that is where Jesus comes in. Jesus steps in to enable us to be forgiven. When you forgive someone, you are taking within yourself all the anger and animosity that you feel towards that person into yourself. Jesus took the punishment that you and I should rightfully have for sins. He took the punishment in all of our places. He had no sin of his own, yet he died. Meaning that it was not his own sin he was dying for

So in answer to your question, what does it mean that Jesus died for mankind, it means he took the bullet of sin for us so you can make a choice to take it yourself or not


But this presupposes that certain things are actually "sins" and that these there-defined sins are worthy of eternal, unending punishment. Thats a heavy heavy thing, eternal punishment. And sex before you're married isn't.

He can he not be loving? He has created this wonderful world and has given many things within it to enjoy and take pleasure from. He has given us life! How can this not be loving? And all he asks of us is to praise him and to stay on the right path. Is this really to much to ask for everything he has done for us?

In fairness the only evidence of himself he has given is that of one man's writings alone in a cave. Wouldnt he have been more loving to show himself more to us

And what exactly has it cost him to do any of the things. What did it cost him to allow us to go to heaven?

Also why do we need to praise him? The Christian God doesnt demand praise. Praise is a natural response to what he has done for us, but it isnt nessecary. He asks only for our love, and that you can only ask for, not demand.

He asks us to do three things
- To be sorry for our sins
- To be grateful for Jesus's sacrifice for us
- To do our best to live lives for him

But God ultimately punishes everyone, since he is the supreme authority in the universe and all that. What's the point of Jesus? It's like if someone was due to be executed by firing squad and was pardoned, but this was done by having someone else jump in front of the bullets. Why bother? Can't God just say 'Okay, you're all forgiven'?

Because that isnt real forgiveness. If you've ever read some of the books people have written about for instance, holocaust suvivors who ultimately have forgiven Hitler, you can see it was no easy thing. When you forgive someone, you take all the anger that you can legitimately feel towards them and you take it upon yourself. Thats what it is to forgive.

But this presupposes that certain things are actually "sins" and that these there-defined sins are worthy of eternal, unending punishment. Thats a heavy heavy thing, eternal punishment. And sex before you're married isn't

Sins are disobeying God. When you consider who God is you understand why they are punished so severely. God has ultimatle legitimacy, ultimate power, ultimate authority for everyting. Which is why disobeying him is so serious.

As for the question the Muslim God loves me more than the Christian God hence why only one damns me forever in hell for not believing
How do you know that either of them damn you to hell? How do you know that Allah doesn't, or that God doesn't?

I'd like an answer that isn't just something like "fuck Christians".

Can you demonstrate those two being true. I understood that you had to submit to Allah first, that you had to declare that there was no God but Allah and his prophet Muhammad

Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians go to heaven.

Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): "Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness--their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow."

If your good, you go to heaven.

So, Christian one: "I love MY PEOPLE enough to sacrifice my son for them even though I really could save them without this. The other 4 billion? HELL!! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I love everyone that's good, regardless of following my religion."

Classic example of Heikoku's anti-Christian prejudice here, folks.

Let's assume for one moment that some Christian versions of God and Allah are NOT one and the same.

God: "I had my son die so I can save SOME people, but the rest of you go to HELL regardless of being nice! KYAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I made no big sacrifice for anyone, but, if you're good, you're saved."

Unitarian Universalism: "I made no big sacrifice for anyone, but, if you're good, you'll be saved faster. If you're not good, you'll eventually become good enough to be saved."

So, Christian one: "I love MY PEOPLE enough to sacrifice my son for them even though I really could save them without this. The other 4 billion? HELL!! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I love everyone that's good, regardless of following my religion."

UU: "I love everyone and will help everyone out eventually."
IMO, it's more like this:

Allah: "Don't make friends with the unbelievers! Wage war against them! They're all ebil!"
God: "I love everyone! Love your enemies! Except I'll damn them all to eternal hellfires and brimstone when they die."

At least Allah's book has the guts to be open about his dickery. :p

[/HUMOUR :headbang: ]

Classic example of Heikoku's anti-Christian prejudice here, folks.

I said some, and it is a fact that some, if not most, Christians, DO believe that. But two can play this game, and I'm more than willing to claim you're prejudiced against occultists if you keep that up.

IMO, it's more like this:

Allah: "Don't make friends with the unbelievers! Wage war against them! They're all ebil!"

You DO know it's not really like that, right?

Classic example of Heikoku's anti-Christian prejudice here, folks.

Referred to by some as "intelligence"

How is it Soviestan hasn't posted on this thread?

Sins are disobeying God. When you consider who God is you understand why they are punished so severely. God has ultimatle legitimacy, ultimate power, ultimate authority for everyting. Which is why disobeying him is so serious.

Well its not even remotely clear what prescisely Gods "orders" are lets face it, so essentially one can fry forever for failing to pick the right rule book.

And not forgetting the whole "is there a God?" argument in the first place. Conflicting and imprecise rules from an invisible man.

You seem to forget he also told the Israelites to massacre the Caanites in the 'promised land'. And condones beating your children and spouse.

So, how is the Christian god more loving the the Muslim god?
I recognize they're actually the same, but still...

OK seriously, you're stupid. Where exactly in my post did I say that God was better, or that I was even a Christian? I'm an atheist, and I despise Islam much more than the others.

Get informed before you post.:upyours: :sniper:

OK seriously, you're stupid. Where exactly in my post did I say that God was better, or that I was even a Christian? I'm an atheist, and I despise Islam much more than the others.

Get informed before you post.:upyours: :sniper:

That :upyours: and that :sniper: surely help your points. Keep them up, will ya?

Now lookie: If you read the Qur'an, you will see that it is actually more, not less, open-minded than the Bible. A few posts back there's evidence of the Qur'an saying that you get saved if you're GOOD. So, why "despise them more than the others"? Because they're "turrorists", which would make you a person that doesn't know what he's talking about since there's plenty of violence done in the name of anything INCLUDING atheism, or?

Let me try that:

Get informed before you post.:upyours: :sniper:

Nah, I prefer without the idiotic smileys.

Get informed before you post.

I said some, and it is a fact that some, if not most, Christians, DO believe that. But two can play this game, and I'm more than willing to claim you're prejudiced against occultists if you keep that up.
No, you claimed that God said it. By your logic, Allah said that all non-Muslims have to be killed.

How can I be prejudiced against occultists? I never said a word against you or your beliefs.

How is it so hard for you to regard, and perhaps even judge, other religions on an equal plane with each other?

You DO know it's not really like that, right?
Presumably he does not know that.

Referred to by some as "intelligence"

No, hating a particular religion above all others due to contemporary cultural or political circumstances is absolute idiocy.

And you shouldn't use the phrase "Arian Christianity". Arianism does not really seperate the trinity into three beings, it denies the trinity. This difference is not as subtle as you may think: the Arians did not believe that Jesus was God, and thus it is not a Christian denomination.

They believed that Yeshua ben Yosef was the messiah. That is all that is needed.

A question to Muslims - what exactly has Allah done for the world that is loving. He created it yes, but the Quran to me basicly says "be good and worship Allah and you will go to heaven". It seems to me that he's much more demanding than reaching out to his people.

As a Christian I see my God as being loving in that he was prepared to live, suffer extremely and die for his own people. Does the Quran suggest that Allah has made some kind of great gesture of love for his people. I'm open to ideas here


What did YVWH do for the Jews in the holocaust, or countless other persecutions? What did Christ do for those matyred in His name? They seem like loving gods alright:rolleyes:

What did YVWH do for the Jews in the holocaust, or countless other persecutions? What did Christ do for those matyred in His name?
Gave them heaven.

Of course Allah is loving..... your mother....:D

*runs away in shame*

That :upyours: and that :sniper: surely help your points. Keep them up, will ya?

Now lookie: If you read the Qur'an, you will see that it is actually more, not less, open-minded than the Bible. A few posts back there's evidence of the Qur'an saying that you get saved if you're GOOD. So, why "despise them more than the others"? Because they're "turrorists", which would make you a person that doesn't know what he's talking about since there's plenty of violence done in the name of anything INCLUDING atheism, or?

Let me try that:

Get informed before you post.:upyours: :sniper:

Nah, I prefer without the idiotic smileys.

Get informed before you post.



You still haven't learned anything at all, it seems. I'm NOT saying the Bible is better! I don't like most religions, including Christianity, but I still hate Islam more. Just look at the countries that worship it! The people there are quite poor and many are uncivilized, with tinpot leaders. I'll bet you all my savings that it's due to their awful religion which they follow, that tells them to disrespect women, wage jihad on non-believers, fast for a month for some God that doesn't exist, the desire to wipe Isreal off the map, and become 'turrorists'.

So please get it out of your head that I think the Bible is better.:headbang:

Just look at the countries that worship it! The people there are quite poor and many are uncivilized, with tinpot leaders.
So was South America up until the past couple of decades, and they were Catholic (also my religion).

I'll bet you all my savings that it's due to their awful religion which they follow,
I doubt it. Some Muslim countries are progressive, and some are very, very backwards.

that tells them to disrespect women
No, it doesn't.

wage jihad on non-believers
That's arguable. Jihad is meant to more often signify inner struggles against temptations, evil, etc.

fast for a month for some God that doesn't exist
Fasting isn't unique to Islam. Fasting is a good way to find spiritual truths normally unavailible to us.

the desire to wipe Isreal off the map, and become 'turrorists'.
Yeah, like that shit is in the Koran. :rolleyes:

How can I be prejudiced against occultists? I never said a word against you or your beliefs.

Now that's the crux here. Claiming a religion is incoherent (for instance) and claiming dislike towards members of said religion are two different things. Unless you agree with every religion on Earth (kinda hard to, due to contradictions between each other), by your logic, you'd be "anti-whatever-else". Or you're claiming that citing the crusades as an example of violence done in the name of Christianity is "bias" now? So the reporters that told about the Sarin attacks in Tokyo are anti-buddhist?

Or you're claiming that citing the crusades as an example of violence done in the name of Christianity is "bias" now?
No. You compared some murderous maniac using a "God" excuse for his atrocities to words of Allah. You were deliberately finding the worst of anything related to Christianity and comparing it to best of Islam:

So, Christian one: "I love MY PEOPLE enough to sacrifice my son for them even though I really could save them without this. The other 4 billion? HELL!! KYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"

Allah: "I love everyone that's good, regardless of following my religion."


Surely it would be more appropriate to compare Christian violence to Islamic violence. Or to compare Bible passages to Qu'ran passages.

What did YVWH do for the Jews in the holocaust, or countless other persecutions? What did Christ do for those matyred in His name? They seem like loving gods alright:rolleyes:

If you could show me a passage of the Bible that says that Christians will have an easy life because of their faith, I'm willing to see it and discuss it with you

God's ultimate love was to protect us from the ultimate death. The spiritual death. Hell. To do that he faced death for us, head on, and beat it

You seem to forget he also told the Israelites to massacre the Caanites in the 'promised land'. And condones beating your children and spouse.

So, how is the Christian god more loving the the Muslim god?
I recognize they're actually the same, but still...

Funny, many Muslims think that you have to the same thing to the Jews in Israel today

But if you want anchient comparisons, I have four words for you "Arab conquests, seventh century" or even three "Battle of Badr"

Funny, many Muslims think that you have to the same thing to the Jews in Israel today


And thats due to Islam or the historical/political situation?

And thats due to Islam or the historical/political situation?

The main cause is historical/political, but I've seen people attempting to justify it through Islam. But anyway noone loves us like Kojak

Who loves ya, baby?

And thats due to Islam or the historical/political situation?

Believing that Israel should end the occupation and a two state solution should be in place is one thing. Believing that the Muslim world should "Drive the Jews into the sea" is quite another.

But if you want anchient comparisons, I have four words for you "Arab conquests, seventh century" or even three "Battle of Badr"

Your point?

I think the point there is that if the Christian God is an evil unloving bastard for the Crusades carried out in his name then so is Allah for those that were carried out in his name. You know a whole pot and kettle black contest again.

To be honest I'm not a christian and I'm sick of people bringing up the crusades as a point. Most major religions have had atrocities carried out in their name, that shouldn't tar the religion and every one of it's believers for the mistakes of other believers.