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Joining Spain here. Italian models apparentally must now prove they don't have an eating disorder, and can't be under sixteen. (Could they before, then? And does that apply to diaper commercials?)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/22/italy.fashion.ap/index.html

ROME, Italy (AP) -- Italy's fashion industry on Friday signed a code of conduct aimed at fighting anorexia among women and the vogue for stick-thin models.

The self-regulatory code, drawn up with the Italian government, requires models to show medical proof they do not suffer from eating disorders, bans models younger than 16 and calls for a commitment to add larger sizes to fashion collections.

It also aims to redefine feminine beauty, and to promote "a healthy, sunny, generous, Mediterranean model of beauty."

"It is a contribution that Italian fashion can give to different aesthetic standards that are not about a thin, very thin, sometimes sick bodies," Youth Policy and Sports Minister Giovanna Melandri told a news conference in Rome.

"There's a line between a thin girl and a sick one that is often crossed. Italy, with this manifesto, is committed to recognize this boundary and not cross it," she said.

The code was signed by Melandri and Mario Boselli, president of the Italian Fashion Chamber, which includes fashion house like Versace, Prada and Missoni. It is destined for designers, model agencies, makeup artists and others who work in the fashion field.

Boselli said he was hoping the code could be adopted also internationally.

Stefano Dominella, president of a lobby for Rome haute couture who also signed on to the code, said designers who do not comply will be subjected to "sanctions," such as being assigned to less favorable timings or days for their shows.

Calls to offices of major Italian designers seeking comment Friday evening went unanswered.

The world of high fashion and modeling has long been targeted by critics who say it encourages women and girls to emulate skinny models.

The death last month of a 21-year-old Brazilian model helped increase the public's awareness of the problem.

Ana Carolina Reston, who modeled in China, Turkey, Mexico and Japan, died Nov. 14 at a hospital in Sao Paulo. The 5-foot-8 inch (1.72 meters) model weighed 88 pounds (40 kilos) at the time of her death.

Doctors and psychologists treating patients with anorexia nervosa, a disorder characterized by an abnormal fear of becoming obese, praised the new Italian code, saying it would help redefine beauty standards.

"One of the biggest risks is the input that we get from fashion, because a thin model becomes an icon to emulate," said Simona Ciampoli, a psychotherapist who treats anorexic people in a rehabilitation center in Chieti, central Italy.

"The message that we get bombarded with is that you are important and successful as long as you are thin, but these women do not represent the real ones. The majority of normal and healthy women are not like that," Ciampoli said.

According to the code, about 3 million people in Italy suffer from eating disorders.

In September, Madrid's Fashion Week banned models with a body mass index of less than 18. Body mass index is a calculation doctors normally apply to study obesity, and anyone with an index below 18.5 is considered underweight.

Too long/didn't read.
However, it's good they're banning those anorexic chics. Does anybody remember that brazilian model who died because of anorexy? Skinny hips are fucking sexy, but apparent ribcages are not.

Too long/didn't read.
However, it's good they're banning those anorexic chics. Does anybody remember that brazilian model who died because of anorexy?

That's kinda mentioned in the article. ;)

That's kinda mentioned in the article.
Yeah, i just saw it.
On a side note, have anybody else noticed that the slightly overweight (i MEAN slightly, really) girls have the coolest boobies (and buttocks too)? :cool:

Buon.

Good thing they did that. I mean, who wants to go on a date with a skeleton?

How do you prove you don't have an eating disorder? Do they make you eat a whole Big Mac and then keep you under observation for 24 hours so you don't get sick or puke it up? :p

Good.

Yuck! Big Mac...has lettuce on it...*Pukes*

I'm glad they're instituting something. I hope it'll actually address the problem in the long run (it seems like it does now, too, anyway). Good for them.

3 Hurrahs for Italy, then. This is a wise move in the right direction. Starving isn't sexy, or at the very least not worth it.

Awesome. Curves>ribs. Always.
Good thing they did that. I mean, who wants to go on a date with a skeleton?

Necrophiles.

Good thing they did that. I mean, who wants to go on a date with a skeleton?

And that, boys and girls, is why Skeletor is so angry.

Joining Spain here. Italian models apparentally must now prove they don't have an eating disorder, and can't be under sixteen. (Could they before, then? And does that apply to diaper commercials?)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/22/italy.fashion.ap/index.html

ROME, Italy (AP) -- Italy's fashion industry on Friday signed a code of conduct aimed at fighting anorexia among women and the vogue for stick-thin models.

The self-regulatory code, drawn up with the Italian government, requires models to show medical proof they do not suffer from eating disorders, bans models younger than 16 and calls for a commitment to add larger sizes to fashion collections.

It also aims to redefine feminine beauty, and to promote "a healthy, sunny, generous, Mediterranean model of beauty."

"It is a contribution that Italian fashion can give to different aesthetic standards that are not about a thin, very thin, sometimes sick bodies," Youth Policy and Sports Minister Giovanna Melandri told a news conference in Rome.

"There's a line between a thin girl and a sick one that is often crossed. Italy, with this manifesto, is committed to recognize this boundary and not cross it," she said.

The code was signed by Melandri and Mario Boselli, president of the Italian Fashion Chamber, which includes fashion house like Versace, Prada and Missoni. It is destined for designers, model agencies, makeup artists and others who work in the fashion field.

Boselli said he was hoping the code could be adopted also internationally.

Stefano Dominella, president of a lobby for Rome haute couture who also signed on to the code, said designers who do not comply will be subjected to "sanctions," such as being assigned to less favorable timings or days for their shows.

Calls to offices of major Italian designers seeking comment Friday evening went unanswered.

The world of high fashion and modeling has long been targeted by critics who say it encourages women and girls to emulate skinny models.

The death last month of a 21-year-old Brazilian model helped increase the public's awareness of the problem.

Ana Carolina Reston, who modeled in China, Turkey, Mexico and Japan, died Nov. 14 at a hospital in Sao Paulo. The 5-foot-8 inch (1.72 meters) model weighed 88 pounds (40 kilos) at the time of her death.

Doctors and psychologists treating patients with anorexia nervosa, a disorder characterized by an abnormal fear of becoming obese, praised the new Italian code, saying it would help redefine beauty standards.

"One of the biggest risks is the input that we get from fashion, because a thin model becomes an icon to emulate," said Simona Ciampoli, a psychotherapist who treats anorexic people in a rehabilitation center in Chieti, central Italy.

"The message that we get bombarded with is that you are important and successful as long as you are thin, but these women do not represent the real ones. The majority of normal and healthy women are not like that," Ciampoli said.

According to the code, about 3 million people in Italy suffer from eating disorders.

In September, Madrid's Fashion Week banned models with a body mass index of less than 18. Body mass index is a calculation doctors normally apply to study obesity, and anyone with an index below 18.5 is considered underweight.

Looks like some people have seen sense. Why don't they do this in America?

Looks like some people have seen sense. Why don't they do this in America?

Because Trump says otherwise.

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Well,least Italy has sense.IMO these skinny anorexic chicks are not only fugly,but sending out a pretty bad message to little kids.

And that, boys and girls, is why Skeletor is so angry.

You win the internets.

And that, boys and girls, is why Skeletor is so angry.

Damn right!

You win the internets.

Hey! I get part of it, since I came up with the words that made him say that!

He gets half of the internets, I get the other half, K?

:) That's great that finally people around the world are realizing that anorexia is a serious issue. And bulimia. Really it isn't a joking matter, just more of a thing to be prevented.

Spain and Italy are to be of admiration to all the other major modeling countries.

:) That's great that finally people around the world are realizing that anorexia is a serious issue. And bulimia. Really it isn't a joking matter, just more of a thing to be prevented.

Spain and Italy are to be of admiration to all the other major modeling countries.

Why spain?

Why spain?

Madrid came out with a similar policy in September.

Madrid came out with a similar policy in September.

Huzzah Madrid!

Hey! I get part of it, since I came up with the words that made him say that!

He gets half of the internets, I get the other half, K?

I know which half you'll call. :D

(But who gets NSG??

The most important question this century.)

I know which half you'll call. :D

(But who gets NSG??

The most important question this century.)

I get it.

I get it.

So close, but wrong.

...have anybody else noticed that the slightly overweight (i MEAN slightly, really) girls have the coolest boobies (and buttocks too)? :cool:

Let's just say you don't excactly get D's at 100 pounds.

Let's just say you don't excactly get D's at 100 pounds.

Not without considerable amounts of surgery.

Not without considerable amounts of surgery.

I 'spose if your say...4 feet tall and it's half your body weight mabye.

Let's just say you don't excactly get D's at 100 pounds.

Forget what I said.
Ds aren't my thing, i love 'em C cups. :cool:

Forget what I said.
Ds aren't my thing, i love 'em C cups. :cool:

Hmmmm.....D must be too much of a good thing to handle for some. C's still acceptable I say. But the fashion models are practically men(chest-wise).

But the fashion models are practically men(chest-wise).

QFT. But for me it's more about form than size, you now. Even Bs can be sexy if they're well formed. The problem with D+ is that they more often then not look disproportionate (sp?).

Meh, I'm more prefable of hand-fulls. Of course, my family makes fun of my attraction to very petite girls. As a smaller guy, though, it seems my tastes would be justified to me.

GO ITALY!!! WOOT WOO!!!

Modeling agencies should be under government restriction. :mad:

Meh, I'm more prefable of hand-fulls. Of course, my family makes fun of my attraction to very petite girls. As a smaller guy, though, it seems my tastes would be justified to me.

I have nothing against petite girls. As a matter of fact i have been called a 'pedo freak' when i was younger...When i was 14 i used to pick on 10-12 year olds with little to no chest...Thankfully i now enjoy more 'developed' girls, you know what i'm sayin'?

QFT. But for me it's more about form than size, you now. Even Bs can be sexy if they're well formed. The problem with D+ is that they more often then not look disproportionate (sp?).

Well formed A's & B's are less common than C's & D's, but it's defiantly been done. D can be disproportionate, but is ideal when it fits right. It's a complicated balance between the three (size, proportion, form) factors, but there's something for everyone out there.

It's a complicated balance between the three (size, proportion, form) factors, but there's something for everyone out there.

Words of wisdom.

Well formed A's & B's are less common than C's & D's, but it's defiantly been done. D can be disproportionate, but is ideal when it fits right. It's a complicated balance between the three (size, proportion, form) factors, but there's something for everyone out there.

A Trinity, if you will.

Meh, I'm more prefable of hand-fulls. Of course, my family makes fun of my attraction to very petite girls. As a smaller guy, though, it seems my tastes would be justified to me.

I too am a smaller guy and can see the logic behind it. However, my friends'll make fun me for the opposite of your situation.

Meh, I'm more prefable of hand-fulls...

Also, head-fulls make good pillows.

A Trinity, if you will.

:eek: :p

At first I took that as "three boobs", and I was like :eek: but then I realized you were talkign about the "factors" :p

:eek: :p

At first I took that as "three boobs", and I was like :eek: but then I realized you were talkign about the "factors" :p

That one would work too. :p :eek: :p :p

That one would work too. :p :eek: :p :p

:eek: :p

We are the Spam Duo!

:eek: :p

We are the Spam Duo!

*Gives Pancake a ring and they smash them together*

Our powers combined, we make the SPAM DUO!!

*shing*

That one would work too. :p :eek: :p :p

Appears the proportion (and form somewhat) factor can be modified (not broken) for special occasions?

*Gives Pancake a ring and they smash them together*

Our powers combined, we make the SPAM DUO!!

*shing*

*ring smashing results in laser beams blasting a hole in the ceiling*

*takes Minaris and flies off into the sunset*

*ring smashing results in laser beams blasting a hole in the ceiling*

*takes Minaris and flies off into the sunset*

:D

Pancakes are good...
Fuck, i'm hungry now. *Drools at the tought of fresh pancakes*

Pancakes are good...
Fuck, i'm hungry now. *Drools at the tought of fresh pancakes*

:eek: You CANNIBAL! :eek:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/spammers0mr.jpg

Pancakes are good...
Fuck, i'm hungry now. *Drools at the tought of fresh pancakes*

You'll need syrup.

*Dumps syrup all over Efenn in flight.*

:D

*flies into the Enchanted Land of Beautiful Fluffle Spam*

:fluffle:

*flies into the Enchanted Land of Beautiful Fluffle Spam*

:fluffle:

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/spammers0mr.jpg

:p You're just jealous of our breakfast-y fluffle-spam goodness. :p

:p You're just jealous of our breakfast-y fluffle-spam goodness. :p

SYRUP:fluffle: s!

*Covered in syrup* What the...? Holy syrup!

*Suddenly wonders how the fuck did a thread about skinny models turned into a boob size discussion and then some weird pancake stuff.*

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:fluffle: :fluffle:

I can only use 2 fluffles now *is mad*

*Covered in syrup* What the...? Holy syrup!

And so this thread became a heap of SPAM.

:fluffle: :fluffle:

I can only use 2 fluffles now *is mad*

Aw, I'm sorry.

:fluffle:

Aw, I'm sorry.

:fluffle:

Yay! Now it's 9 fluffles!

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

:p You're just jealous of our breakfast-y fluffle-spam goodness. :p

Pfft, I stand by my prediction of thread doom.

Pfft, I standby my prediction of thread doom.

So? You're still jealous.

So? You're still jealous.

:p

This thread was cooler when we were talking about them boobies.

And that, boys and girls, is why Skeletor is so angry.

Right, so he'd be a fairly decent fellow if he could get a date? :p

:p

*Dumps syrup on Ifreann's head* :)

Isn't anybody going to stick up for eating disorders? I mean, come on. You want them to go back on heroin?



I'm not really all that good at playing devils advocate.

Isn't anybody going to stick up for eating disorders? I mean, come on. You want them to go back on heroin?



I'm not really all that good at playing devils advocate.

Yeah, but it was better than some REAL arguments I've heard.

Let's just go back and talk about boobies, shall we?

Let's just go back and talk about boobies, shall we?

Ha. Ha.


Titties.


Ha. Ha.

How do you prove you don't have an eating disorder? Do they make you eat a whole Big Mac and then keep you under observation for 24 hours so you don't get sick or puke it up? :p

No.

Looks like some people have seen sense. Why don't they do this in America?

If you research, you'll realise the whole fashion industry is changing. I'm an Australian size 12 and I've modelled.

What good is a fashion model if she isn’t anorexic?

:) That's great that finally people around the world are realizing that anorexia is a serious issue. And bulimia. Really it isn't a joking matter, just more of a thing to be prevented.

Spain and Italy are to be of admiration to all the other major modeling countries.

You're right. And, just to be politically correct, anorexia and bulimia aren't the only eating disorders. Many people also suffer from ed-nos (ed not otherwise specified), binge eating disorder, COE, pica, and body dismorphic disorder.

Forget what I said.
Ds aren't my thing, i love 'em C cups. :cool:

I'm assuming you don't have tits. Mine are sometimes a 10D and sometimes a 12C. Bra sizes mean nothing. It's the way the look, their shape and their ability to defy gravity that counts.

Meh, I'm more prefable of hand-fulls. Of course, my family makes fun of my attraction to very petite girls. As a smaller guy, though, it seems my tastes would be justified to me.

Please explain your attraction to "petite" girls. Do you like them thin, without hips or an ass, or do you like the curvier or athletic type of petite?

Please explain your attraction to "petite" girls. Do you like them thin, without hips or an ass, or do you like the curvier or athletic type of petite?

Nosey, aren’t you?

Nosey, aren’t you?

No. I'm simply asking because I find it hard to understand how a real man could be attracted to someone who is too small & physically unhealthy.

No. I'm simply asking because I find it hard to understand how a real man could be attracted to someone who is too small & physically unhealthy.

"Petite" is now synonymous with "too small" and "physically unhealthy"? Oooookay then....

No. I'm simply asking because I find it hard to understand how a real man could be attracted to someone who is too small & physically unhealthy.
And I find it hard to understand how people still use terms like “real man.”
"Petite" is now synonymous with "too small" and "physically unhealthy"? Oooookay then....
World’s gone fat. What else would you expect?

Yay!

"Petite" is now synonymous with "too small" and "physically unhealthy"? Oooookay then....

No, it's not. That's why I was ASKING what kind of "petite" he meant.

And I find it hard to understand how people still use terms like “real man.”

World’s gone fat. What else would you expect?

By "real man", I mean a man who is intelligent & mature, as opposed to a young boy or teenager who will fuck anything he can.

And the world has not "gone fat". It's actually gone the other way. Nearly every single girl and many males stress about their weight. I can't be bothered looking up statistics now, but, personally, I know (and am real-life friends with) 6 girls who have suffered from bulimia for an extended period of time, 2 girls that have only recently recovered from anorexia, 1 male who has only recently gained enough to be above an anorexic body mass index, 1 boy who had bulimia in highschool and 1 boy who is still suffering from undereating.

By "real man", I mean a man who is intelligent & mature, as opposed to a young boy or teenager who will fuck anything he can.
There is absolutely nothing immature or unintelligent about fucking everything you can as long as you use protection.
And the world has not "gone fat". It's actually gone the other way. Nearly every single girl and many males stress about their weight. I can't be bothered looking up statistics now, but, personally, I know (and am real-life friends with) 6 girls who have suffered from bulimia for an extended period of time, 2 girls that have only recently recovered from anorexia, 1 male who has only recently gained enough to be above an anorexic body mass index, 1 boy who had bulimia in highschool and 1 boy who is still suffering from undereating.
The statistics show obesity rates are rising in the developed world.
Also, there are other factors that lead to anorexia or bulimia besides weight.

There is absolutely nothing immature or unintelligent about fucking everything you can as long as you use protection.

The statistics show obesity rates are rising in the developed world.
Also, there are other factors that lead to anorexia or bulimia besides weight.

Yes, yes there is. Sex is meant to be a passionate bonding between two people, or at least a pleasurable exercise, and it is obviously designed for the purpose of reproducing. In order to reproduce a man must select the ideal female for bearing a child, which includes wide hips and a curvy figure, even if it is only slightly curvacious. Also, a man should technically be attracted to a woman who has enough body fat to nourish & nuture a healthy child.


There is also evidence that girls are getting thinner and thinner in the developed world.
And, considering that I've suffered from an eating disorder myself, I think I know that there are external factors that lead to anorexia or bulimia besides body weight, however, that is not what we're really discussing here.

Personally, I believe that the promotion unhealthy, underweight models who resemble skeletons are partially to blame for serious body issues.

Yes, yes there is. Sex is meant to be a passionate bonding between two people, or at least a pleasurable exercise, and it is obviously designed for the purpose of reproducing. In order to reproduce a man must select the ideal female for bearing a child, which includes wide hips and a curvy figure, even if it is only slightly curvacious. Also, a man should technically be attracted to a woman who has enough body fat to nourish & nuture a healthy child.
What a load of naïve bullshit. Sex is about pleasure, yeah. We’ve pretty much moved past everything else. Some men like thin chicks. That doesn’t make them any less of a man.
There is also evidence that girls are getting thinner and thinner in the developed world.
I’ve not heard that, and I certainly don’t see any evidence of it.
Personally, I believe that the promotion unhealthy, underweight models who resemble skeletons are partially to blame for serious body issues.
There's nothing wrong with a chick being thin. It certainly isn't a "serious body issue." It only starts to be when combined with other factors that contribute to dismorphia. Really, I think we as a society should be focusing on those issues instead of mocking fit people behind their backs out of jealousy.

What a load of naïve bullshit. Sex is about pleasure, yeah. We’ve pretty much moved past everything else. Some men like thin chicks. That doesn’t make them any less of a man.

I’ve not heard that, and I certainly don’t see any evidence of it.

There's nothing wrong with a chick being thin. It certainly isn't a "serious body issue." It only starts to be when combined with other factors that contribute to dismorphia. Really, I think we as a society should be focusing on those issues instead of mocking fit people behind their backs out of jealousy.


Healthy women, such as Marilyn Munroe, used to epitomise perfection. Now the "ideal" physique has morphed into one that is undoubtably unhealthy. Why else would Italy and Milan (and many other recent fashion weeks, agencies and designers) ban underweight models?

There is something wrong with being thin. Most women are not naturally AUS size 6s or 8s, and when they strive to become that small they usually go to unhealthy measures. Living on a diet of salad is still bad, and, of course, when the desire to be thin takes over, it becomes much worse.
I don't think you really understand body dismorphia. It's when a person believes they are fat when they are actually thin, or visa versa. This generally leads to eating disorders, but so does abuse, rape, bullying and the substantial effect of the media.

I have not made one comment that has "mocked fit people". I am incredibley fit myself. I go to the gym almost everyday and I used to be a competitive athlete. The whole problem that being THIN does not equate to being FIT or HEALTHY.

Healthy women, such as Marilyn Munroe, used to epitomise perfection. Now the "ideal" physique has morphed into one that is undoubtably unhealthy. Why else would Italy and Milan (and many other recent fashion weeks, agencies and designers) ban underweight models?
Italy and Spain go through a lot of weird laws.
There is something wrong with being thin. Most women are not naturally AUS size 6s or 8s, and when they strive to become that small they usually go to unhealthy measures.
Says PC bullshit.
Living on a diet of salad is still bad,
How?
and, of course, when the desire to be thin takes over, it becomes much worse.
Nothing wrong with having a goal. In fact, that's the problem with most people. They've got nothing to strive for.
I have not made one comment that has "mocked fit people". I am incredibley fit myself. I go to the gym almost everyday and I used to be a competitive athlete. The whole problem that being THIN does not equate to being FIT or HEALTHY.
If you do all that and you still aren't thin, you're in the minority. Most women would be thin if they did.

Italy and Spain go through a lot of weird laws.

Says PC bullshit.

How?

Nothing wrong with having a goal. In fact, that's the problem with most people. They've got nothing to strive for.

If you do all that and you still aren't thin, you're in the minority. Most women would be thin if they did.


It's not just Spain and Italy. Do some research. I have.

It's unhealthy to live on salad because the human body requires adequate nutrition to survive. Any diet under 1000 calories is considered a starvation diet, and it is recommended that the average intake for a woman should be around 2000 calories, which can be added to if she does extensive excercise.

There is something wrong with having a goal that is unhealthy. It's just like striving to be a drug addict.

I do all of that because I like to stay healthy. I also attempt to eat well in order to stay healthy. I used to suffer from anemia, hypoglycemia and electrolyte imbalances which are all caused by insufficient diet and an eating disorder. Any woman who does what I do needs to eat sufficient amounts of protein (to build muscle, which actually allows the body to burn more calories), carbohydrates (for energy and brain function) and fat (for protection of the heart and regularity).

all quoted, of course.

armani:
One of the world's most famous fashion designers yesterday became the first to speak out against the use of stick-thin models. Giorgio Armani urged the fashion industry not to use 'size zero' models in an effort to curb the rise in eating disorders among young women.
Designer Giorgio Armani has blamed stylists and the media for the fashion industry's obsession with ultra-thin women.
In London to host a music and fashion extravaganza with stars Beyonce, 50 Cent and Bono, Armani said no girl needed to be anorexic to be fashionable. A debate about models' weight has shaken the fashion world in recent days since Madrid banned excessively thin women from its catwalks after accusations their appearance may cause eating disorders in young women. "I have never wanted to use girls that are too skinny. I prefer girls that show off my clothes in the best way," Armani told Reuters Television after the show late on Thursday. "Unfortunately though, the stylists and also the media have interfered and they now want models that are incredibly thin." Armani, whose client list spans Hollywood to high finance, is a bellwether for the industry and the most powerful fashion insider yet to speak out on the weight debate. "No one thinks that for a girl to be fashionable she needs to be anorexic, that she must not eat. I will only take on healthy girls," he said.
katie price (aka jordan):
Jordan took a swipe at "stick-thin models" today as she launched her new range of underwear for larger bra sizes. The range, launched under her real name, Katie Price, will be sold at Asda from today from sizes 32 to 38 and cup size D to F.
sir paul smith:
Speaking at the launch of his womenswear collection at London Fashion Week, he said he wanted to use "bigger models" and was committed to employing only "healthy girls". Sir Paul said: "I would like the girls to be bigger. I would have used bigger girls for this show, but you have to go with what the model agencies send you. The casting for today's show was only on Saturday, so we did not have a lot of time to work with." He went on: "I think what will happen is that there will be a move away from these very thin models. All the controversy following what happened in Madrid will mean a move away from those very thin girls. The main thing has to be: are the girls healthy? There is no reason why we should not have bigger girls. I would have no problem with that. " Asked if he would back a ban on girls with a body mass index of less than 18, he said: "I did not know anything about BMI before this week but I am in favour of making sure we only use healthy girls."

all in all:
"... fashion means elegance, style and, most of all, lifestyle,” Mr. Boselli said. “This means to show, promote and communicate the image of a ... healthy woman, that is to say an image of joy and wellness.”

There is something wrong with being thin. Most women are not naturally AUS size 6s or 8s, and when they strive to become that small they usually go to unhealthy measures. Living on a diet of salad is still bad, and, of course, when the desire to be thin takes over, it becomes much worse.
I don't think you really understand body dismorphia. It's when a person believes they are fat when they are actually thin, or visa versa. This generally leads to eating disorders, but so does abuse, rape, bullying and the substantial effect of the media.



So there's something wrong with me now? I am naturally a size 6-8, and I certainly don't live on a diet of salad.

Why be so judgemental about thin people? True, some are unhealthy, but that constitutes a small minority.

The media has shit all effect on anorexia. Anorexia and bullimia were around long, long before the media obsession with thinness.

So there's something wrong with me now? I am naturally a size 6-8, and I certainly don't live on a diet of salad.

Why be so judgemental about thin people? True, some are unhealthy, but that constitutes a small minority.

The media has shit all effect on anorexia. Anorexia and bullimia were around long, long before the media obsession with thinness.

I said "most women", not "all". I'm assuming you can read.

If you don't have a restrictive diet, and you're still thin, that's okay, and I'm not going to say there's anything wrong with that.

"Bullimia"? Is that anything like BULIMIA NERVOSA? :rolleyes:

And the media does have an effect. Research, honey.

No. I'm simply asking because I find it hard to understand how a real man could be attracted to someone who is too small & physically unhealthy.

Why emasculate someone just because they like a certain body shape in women?

Someone is a little bitter.

I said "most women", not "all". I'm assuming you can read.

Insinuations about my literacy skills are not very polite.

If you don't have a restrictive diet, and you're still thin, that's okay, and I'm not going to say there's anything wrong with that.

I'm so glad I meet with your approval. To be quite honest, it's my body and if I want to live on rabbit food, instead of the glorious array of takeaway I currently consume, its my choice.

"Bullimia"? Is that anything like BULIMIA NERVOSA? :rolleyes:

spelling nazis are so last season honey.

And the media does have an effect. Research, honey.

And I tend to think the media effect is overexaggerated. People choose to starve themselves. Images of thin people isn't going to make emotionally and mentally stable people go, "Oh, I think I might start starving myself."

Why emasculate someone just because they like a certain body shape in women?

Someone is a little bitter.

No, someone is realistic.

If someone thought all women should be morbidly obese, I'd react the same way.

Emaciation is not beautiful. It is not sexy. If you want a woman who looks like a 13-year-old boy there really is something wrong (to me) about that.

Insinuations about my literacy skills are not very polite.



I'm so glad I meet with your approval. To be quite honest, it's my body and if I want to live on rabbit food, instead of the glorious array of takeaway I currently consume, its my choice.



spelling nazis are so last season honey.



And I tend to think the media effect is overexaggerated. People choose to starve themselves. Images of thin people isn't going to make emotionally and mentally stable people go, "Oh, I think I might start starving myself."

I insinuated nothing.

If you wanted to live on "rabbit food" you'd be denying your body the nurtients it needs.

Are grammar Nazis still in, honey?

People don't choose to starve themselves. It's a disorder, and if you visited one of the many "pro-ana" sites, you'll see that they idolise thin celebreties and models.

I insinuated nothing.

If you wanted to live on "rabbit food" you'd be denying your body the nurtients it needs.

Are grammar Nazis still in, honey?

People don't choose to starve themselves. It's a disorder, and if you visited one of the many "pro-ana" sites, you'll see that they idolise thin celebreties and models.
Personally, I don't feed my body 'nurtients' and I don't know anyone who idolises thin 'celebreties'. Grammar-Nazism works both ways. ;)

Thin =/= anorexic. Let's just leave it at that.

People don't choose to starve themselves. It's a disorder, and if you visited one of the many "pro-ana" sites, you'll see that they idolise thin celebreties and models.
Look, it's not like marketing agencies have an interest in customers being anorexic. Nor is it like everyone who sees an ad with a thin woman in it becomes anorexic.

What I mean to say is that it's a psychological disorder, and blaming it on the media is no smarter than blaming a school shooting on a violent video game.

No, someone is realistic.

If someone thought all women should be morbidly obese, I'd react the same way.

Emaciation is not beautiful. It is not sexy. If you want a woman who looks like a 13-year-old boy there really is something wrong (to me) about that.


I'm not talking about emaciation. I certainly am not emaciated. But then, considering most 13 year old boys have bigger tits than I do, maybe there's something wrong with all the guys who are attracted to me. I should probably warn them about that...

Look, it's not like marketing agencies have an interest in customers being anorexic. Nor is it like everyone who sees an ad with a thin woman in it becomes anorexic.

What I mean to say is that it's a psychological disorder, and blaming it on the media is no smarter than blaming a school shooting on a violent video game.

Why, why can't I be this eloquent in my phrasing?
translation: that's what I was trying to say. Thankfully, Neu Leonstein is much cleverer than I!

Personally, I don't feed my body 'nurtients' and I don't know anyone who idolises thin 'celebreties'. Grammar-Nazism works both ways. ;)

Thin =/= anorexic. Let's just leave it at that.

Considering that you just insulted my spelling/typing, you're not actually a Grammar Nazi.

Too thin = anorexic.

Considering that you just insulted my spelling/typing, you're not actually a Grammar Nazi.

Too thin = anorexic.
... oops. Oh well, one usually is the other.

I don't think anyone is saying that no people who are extremely thin are not anorexic, but I'm getting the impression that you're trying to say thin is always bad. And ^ what Neu Leonstein said.

... oops. Oh well, one usually is the other.

I don't think anyone is saying that no people who are extremely thin are not anorexic, but I'm getting the impression that you're trying to say thin is always bad. And ^ what Neu Leonstein said.

You don't understand.
I'm not saying all underweight people have ANOREXIA NERVOSA, but anyone with a bmi less than 17 (I think?) is classified anorexic.

Look, it's not like marketing agencies have an interest in customers being anorexic. Nor is it like everyone who sees an ad with a thin woman in it becomes anorexic.

What I mean to say is that it's a psychological disorder, and blaming it on the media is no smarter than blaming a school shooting on a violent video game.

I'm not blaming it entirely on the media, but considering that this post is about Italy banning underweight models, it's fair enough to discuss the impact that those models have.

This year a catwalk model passed out on the runway and died, because she had been fasting.

You don't understand.
I'm not saying all underweight people have ANOREXIA NERVOSA, but anyone with a bmi less than 17 (I think?) is classified anorexic.
Which is a silly assumption, since both are psychological disorders. It's like saying that all unintelligent people must have a disorder of some kind.

I'm not blaming it entirely on the media, but considering that this post is about Italy banning underweight models, it's fair enough to discuss the impact that those models have.

This year a catwalk model passed out on the runway and died, because she had been fasting.

Yeah, well, obviously that ain't healthy.

Which is a silly assumption, since both are psychological disorders. It's like saying that all unintelligent people must have a disorder of some kind.

Well, thats what I always thought.

BMI, weight, clothing size are all arbitrary determiners of someone's health. I'm tiny, and I am most certainly not healthy. Mainly because I eat a lot of shit. I'm just lucky.

This year a catwalk model passed out on the runway and died, because she had been fasting.
To be honest, I don't understand why they keep associating with models like that.

The vast majority of people make jokes about thin supermodels, and most men will tell you (and at least in my case, really mean it) that they'd rather have something to hold on to. I wouldn't want to go to bed with something that'll have my eye out if I'm not careful.

I can't really recall anyone who actually thought they wanted to look like a supermodel, although I guess some people like that are out there. But then, some people like to have metal bits implanted under their skin to look like freaks. Can't be healthy either. :p

As for dying because of fasting...I can't comment on this specific case, but the drugs and alcohol probably don't help the supermodel's life expectancy either.

Which is a silly assumption, since both are psychological disorders. It's like saying that all unintelligent people must have a disorder of some kind.

They are NOT both disorders. Anorexia is the state of being underweight/malnourished. Anorexia Nervosa is the disorder, in which people starve themselves, fast, restrict, and sometimes purge, in order to lose weight.

To be honest, I don't understand why they keep associating with models like that.

The vast majority of people make jokes about thin supermodels, and most men will tell you (and at least in my case, really mean it) that they'd rather have something to hold on to. I wouldn't want to go to bed with something that'll have my eye out if I'm not careful.

I can't really recall anyone who actually thought they wanted to look like a supermodel, although I guess some people like that are out there. But then, some people like to have metal bits emplanted under their skin to look like freaks. Can't be healthy either. :p

As for dying because of fasting...I can't comment on this specific case, but the drugs and alcohol probably don't help the supermodel's life expectancy either.


Considering that she had Anorexia Nervosa, there is actually a chance that she didn't drink, because of calories.

Many girls I know want to look like catwalk models. Supermodels are actually different. Elle Machpherson is classified as a "supermodel", and she is slightly larger than Gemma Ward who is a catwalk model that is in high demand. Gemma is a size 0.

They are NOT both disorders. Anorexia is the state of being underweight/malnourished. Anorexia Nervosa is the disorder, in which people starve themselves, fast, restrict, and sometimes purge, in order to lose weight.
Yes, I know it's Wikipedia, but...
"Anorexia nervosa" is frequently shortened to "anorexia" in both the popular media and scientific literature. This is technically incorrect, as strictly speaking "anorexia" refers to the medical symptom of reduced appetite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_nervosa#Terminology

Well, thats what I always thought.

BMI, weight, clothing size are all arbitrary determiners of someone's health. I'm tiny, and I am most certainly not healthy. Mainly because I eat a lot of shit. I'm just lucky.

Why won't you just use google? GOD!

Anorexia is not a mental disorder. Anorexia Nervosa is.

Why won't you just use google? GOD!

Anorexia is not a mental disorder. Anorexia Nervosa is.

Sorry, I read Hamilay's post before yours.

Wiki pwns google. It has a better logo.

Many girls I know want to look like catwalk models.
Well, there've always been beauty ideals, and that goes for both sexes.

The question is how unhealthy these ideals are (and again, I'd argue that the actual 'beautiful women' most men can agree upon are physically fit and healthy rather than dangerously skinny), and how far the girls are willing to go to look like the ideal.

And for the latter, I'd say that the girls who go too far have psychological problems anyways that just happen to come out this way, as an alternative to cutting themselves up for example.

Yes, I know it's Wikipedia, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anorexia_nervosa#Terminology

See, I AM correct.

When you have Anorexia Nervosa, it doesn't mean that your appetite is reduced. They're hungry!

See, I AM correct.
No you're not. Anorexia = the decreased sensation of appetite. You can't say that's a bad thing, since technically after you eat a meal and are full you have anorexia, but more importantly not everyone who's underweight has a decreased sensation of appetite. It's not the state of being underweight.

No you're not. Anorexia = the decreased sensation of appetite. You can't say that's a bad thing, since technically after you eat a meal and are full you have anorexia, but more importantly not everyone who's underweight has a decreased sensation of appetite. It's not the state of being underweight.

Well, when my fiance had a bmi around 16 and all of his organs were shutting down he was diagnosed with Anorexia, NOT Anorexia Nervosa.

To have Anorexia Nervosa there are special critera, including an intense fear of gaining weight, having a bmi under 17.5 and (for women) not having your period. However, the last one is sometimes wavered.

I'm almost 15 years old, 5 feet 4 inches, 100 lbs, and last time I checked I had a BMI of about 17. I eat a lot of "fattening" foods.

Am I anorexic because I'm thin? No.

I actually think I'm too skinny.

Sorry, I read Hamilay's post before yours.

Wiki pwns google. It has a better logo.

PS: your Myspace sucks. I'm pretty sure your falling objects are meant to be hearts, not question marks, which means you used a dodgy profile editor or just don't know html. Considering you majored in English, I'm surprised that one of your photos is labelled "...at da FORMAL!"!!!111one...

PS: your Myspace sucks...
Is that some sort of new addition to Aristotle's rules of making a proper argument? :rolleyes:

Is that some sort of new addition to Aristotle's rules of making a proper argument? :rolleyes:

No. It's just a fact! Seriously...check it out. I wouldn't advertise my Myspace in my signature if it looked like that. Luckily, MY Myspace is awesome.

If I was:
1. A woman
2. A model

I'd be screwed. lol.

No. It's just a fact!
And even if it was, this is still not the time and place, nor is that the way to say it.

For someone who just a few minutes ago showed so much compassion for the self-esteem of these poor girls, you're quite ready to attack other people on a personal level.

PS: your Myspace sucks. I'm pretty sure your falling objects are meant to be hearts, not question marks, which means you used a dodgy profile editor or just don't know html. Considering you majored in English, I'm surprised that one of your photos is labelled "...at da FORMAL!"!!!111one...

Ya know, I really don't give a shit what you think about my myspace. I can't believe you actually went and checked it out. You must be fascinated with me. I'm quite flattered you feel a need to give your opinion about it. Thanks. :fluffle:

But, do you have any further opinions on the topic at hand? Cause otherwise, I think you're hijacking.

And even if it was, this is still not the time and place, nor is that the way to say it.

For someone who just a few minutes ago showed so much compassion for the self-esteem of these poor girls, you're quite ready to attack other people on a personal level.

My myspace isn't that personal.

But thanks. :fluffle:

Next: "Beaches are now closed to fat people, because they set a poor model of what healthy feeding habits are". :rolleyes:
I agree that anorexia and bulimia are serious illnesses that should be prevented, but parents have a more important role on this than governmental institutions or private industries. And seriously, there are way more children overwheight than teens suffering from anorexia/bulimia.

Next: "Beaches are now closed to fat people, because they set a poor model of what healthy feeding habits are". :rolleyes:
I agree that anorexia and bulimia are serious illnesses that should be prevented, but parents have a more important role on this than governmental institutions or private industries. And seriously, there are way more children overwheight than teens suffering from anorexia/bulimia.

Yes, there are.

Next: "Beaches are now closed to fat people, because they set a poor model of what healthy feeding habits are". :rolleyes:


Nah, "Beaches are now closed to fat people, because noone wants to see them in togs." is more accurate.

To avoid flaming: I am joking.

And even if it was, this is still not the time and place, nor is that the way to say it.

For someone who just a few minutes ago showed so much compassion for the self-esteem of these poor girls, you're quite ready to attack other people on a personal level.

Ahh...You've actually got me there... Thankyou. It's hard when you're so passionate about something and the other person doesn't really understand you... You just kind of... get pissed off!

Next: "Beaches are now closed to fat people, because they set a poor model of what healthy feeding habits are". :rolleyes:
I agree that anorexia and bulimia are serious illnesses that should be prevented, but parents have a more important role on this than governmental institutions or private industries. And seriously, there are way more children overwheight than teens suffering from anorexia/bulimia.

Anorexia and bulimia kills more teenagers than being overweight does. Plus, you can't compare the state of being overweight to a serious mental disorder.

Ahh...You've actually got me there... Thankyou. It's hard when you're so passionate about something and the other person doesn't really understand you... You just kind of... get pissed off!

Yeah well I feel just as passionately as you, and I have yet to resort to demeaning personal attacks.

Anorexia and bulimia kills more teenagers than being overweight does. Plus, you can't compare the state of being overweight to a serious mental disorder.
Yes, because the problems related to weight develop later in life. There's absolutely no way you can compare the cost to the health system and in life overall between being overweight and anorexic. Being overweight kills hundreds of times more people, although most aren't teenagers.

*nods*

Those smart Mediterranean countries. They understand that healthy curves are better than sharp, pointy, Keira Knightley-esque bones.

Yes, because the problems related to weight develop later in life. There's absolutely no way you can compare the cost to the health system and in life overall between being overweight and anorexic. Being overweight kills hundreds of times more people, although most aren't teenagers.

But being overweight doesn't make you kill yourself. If an overweight individual has binge eating disorder, then you can compare that to anorexia nervosa. Otherwise, it's like comparing apples and porcupines.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12125430&posted=1#post12125430

But being overweight doesn't make you kill yourself.
Wrong. http://www.austindiocese.org/newsletter_article_view.php?id=489

Wrong. http://www.austindiocese.org/newsletter_article_view.php?id=489

No, I'm right. Being bullied about being fat leads to depression which can lead to suicide.

I'm not talking about emaciation. I certainly am not emaciated. But then, considering most 13 year old boys have bigger tits than I do, maybe there's something wrong with all the guys who are attracted to me. I should probably warn them about that...


Maybe there is something wrong with them, or perhaps they are just a minority. I know very few guys who would be attracted to a breast-less woman.

Maybe there is something wrong with them, or perhaps they are just a minority. I know very few guys who would be attracted to a breast-less woman.

Some guys are attracted to more than looks honey. There is personality.

Skinny girls have it bad too. I hope everyone reading here knows that not all thin girls and models are anorexic.

I like the reality show America's Next Top Model. In one of the episdodes they were picking the 14 finalists. One girl was 6 feet tall and 115 lbs. She told them that she ate 3000 Calorie Shakes 3 times a day.They told her that her look sent the wrong message and she didn't make it. The other models were mean to her too, they said there was noo way she didn't have an eating disorder, and she would never get a husband, and never have kids, and should be in the hospitol. However they did take the girl who was 180 lb. 5 foot nine.

Some guys are attracted to more than looks honey. There is personality.

Really?

Skinny girls have it bad too. I hope everyone reading here knows that not all thin girls and models are anorexic.

I like the reality show America's Next Top Model. In one of the episdodes they were picking the 14 finalists. One girl was 6 feet tall and 115 lbs. She told them that she ate 3000 Calorie Shakes 3 times a day.They told her that her look sent the wrong message and she didn't make it. The other models were mean to her too, they said there was noo way she didn't have an eating disorder, and she would never get a husband, and never have kids, and should be in the hospitol. However they did take the girl who was 180 lb. 5 foot nine.

That's really sad. I guess the message we should be sending is that everybody and every body is beautiful.

But being overweight doesn't make you kill yourself.

I'm right. Being bullied about being fat leads to depression which can lead to suicide.

Should I say anything else?

*Is just being a dick*

Should I say anything else?

*Is just being a dick*

If you read what I said, you'll realise that the state of being overweight didn't KILL. Anorexia, on the other hand, does.