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This good news indeed. Look like Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't really speak for the Iranian people after all.

good, maybe Iran will be a true democracy for once.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16307790/

This good news indeed. Look like Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't really speak for the Iranian people after all.

We knew that anyway. So what?

Saddam Hussein didn't really speak for the Iraqi people, the Taliban didn't speak for the Afghans...

We knew that anyway. So what?

Saddam Hussein didn't really speak for the Iraqi people, the Taliban didn't speak for the Afghans...Ahmadinedjad got elected to office unlike the other examples you cite. Then again, that's mainly because the President is more of a figure head in Iran, the Islamic Council they have are the ones that run the show.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16307790/

This good news indeed. Look like Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't really speak for the Iranian people after all.
pic #2 of the image slideshow is hot!

PS, your username could do with some improvement.

We knew that anyway. So what?

Saddam Hussein didn't really speak for the Iraqi people, the Taliban didn't speak for the Afghans...
Paranoia, much?

Well, the guy single-handedly managed to make everything in Iran worse during his time in office, so I guess it makes sense.

pic #2 of the image slideshow is hot!

PS, your username could do with some improvement.


Paranoia, much?

#14 is hotter! :cool:

#14 is hotter! :cool:

aarcgh, it's alive!!!

aarcgh, it's alive!!!

I think its Lunatic Goofballs long lost Iranian cousin.

good, maybe Iran will be a true democracy for once.

Iran was a democracy at one point. The U.S. overthrew it.

I think its Lunatic Goofballs long lost Iranian cousin.

East meets West...that reunion would single-handedly achieve world peace in a deluge of mud.

maybe the muslims will eventually learn about how separation of church and state is your friend.

First off, I am from Iran. Secend, you have to trust me on this issue. This site is far off the truth. Americans have no idea how much we would like to go to war with Amercian soilders. Most people here like our leaders and this site only talks about the people who have went against our nation.

These people who speak out against our leader, should turly die.

good, maybe Iran will be a true democracy for once.

Doubtful.

First off, I am from Iran. Secend, you have to trust me on this issue. This site is far off the truth. Americans have no idea how much we would like to go to war with Amercian soilders. Most people here like our leaders and this site only talks about the people who have went against our nation.

These people who speak out against our leader, should turly die.

I see someone who has been indoctrinated by propaganda.

I see someone who has been indoctrinated by propaganda.

Iran holds on to power through propaganda. If the people weren't lied to nonstop, they would see how backward, repressed and impoverished they are thanks to 27 years of clerical mismanagement.

This goes to show that Americans and Iranians have something in common. We are both ashamed of our ignorant leaders.

Iran holds on to power through propaganda. If the people weren't lied to nonstop, they would see how backward, repressed and impoverished they are thanks to 27 years of clerical mismanagement.Iran isn't North Korea.

I see someone who has been indoctrinated by propaganda.

I see someone who does not actually live in Iran.

Iran isn't North Korea.

It's bad, though. High inflation, rising poverty, high unemployment, high underemployment, stagnating oil production, and inefficient economic mechanisms are all driving down their economy and greatly limiting Iran's development and living standards. They have fallen behind technologically, and the only thing keeping their economy afloat is high oil prices.

They can feed their people, provide electricity, and keep their economy running, but beyond that it's falling apart.

I see someone who does not actually live in Iran.

I see someone who is willing to trust the word of someone 100% without actually knowing if he is really living in Iran.

It's bad, though. High inflation, rising poverty, high unemployment, high underemployment, stagnating oil production, and inefficient economic mechanisms are all driving down their economy and greatly limiting Iran's development and living standards. They have fallen behind technologically, and the only thing keeping their economy afloat is high oil prices.

They can feed their people, provide electricity, and keep their economy running, but beyond that it's falling apart.Yup, but it isn't a distopian police state in the sense that North Korea is. There's still plenty intelligent people with a desire for peace living in Iran.

I see someone who is willing to trust the word of someone 100% without actually knowing if he is really living in Iran.

Oh brother....I meant him.

Yup, but it isn't a distopian police state in the sense that North Korea is. There's still plenty intelligent people with a desire for peace living in Iran.

It's not a police state, but it's a place where a lot of people are incapable of doing anything to change the situation. Iran has a lot of well-educated and rational people that do not want a war, and they would like to end the madness of the revolution and put an end to the damage of the past three decades.

It's not a police state, but it's a place where a lot of people are incapable of doing anything to change the situation. Iran has a lot of well-educated and rational people that do not want a war, and they would like to end the madness of the revolution and put an end to the damage of the past three decades.*nod*

Oh brother....I meant him.

Sorry. My bad.

Heck! Politicians these days are all either trigger-happy or impragmatic. Its even cool to say that you love America but you hate its politics already! I guess it goes the same for not just that nation but for many other factions and such as well. OK, its time for a revolution for peace and tolerance of ethnic values! Maybe some aliens who can eat politicians and pee petrol should come down from the sky and do their thing! I am not an anarchist anyway! I am more a commie ass!:cool:

I see someone who does not actually live in Iran.

seeing as Iran actually restricts access to the internet pretty severly, I doubt there are people visiting this site from Iran as many of the threads would be considered blasphemous and off limits to the Iranian people. Maybe outside Iran people are accessing NS but I doubt Iran is allowing access from inside Iran itself.

It's not a police state, but it's a place where a lot of people are incapable of doing anything to change the situation. Iran has a lot of well-educated and rational people that do not want a war, and they would like to end the madness of the revolution and put an end to the damage of the past three decades.

2 decades. We haven't reached the third decade mark yet.

The sooner the Iranians who voted for Ahmadinejad realise that he's nothing but a demagogue, the better.

The sooner the Iranians who voted for Ahmadinejad realise that he's nothing but batshit insane, the better. Fixed.

This goes to show that Americans and Iranians have something in common. We are both ashamed of our ignorant leaders.

True enough. :(

Iran was a democracy at one point. The U.S. overthrew it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iranian_Oil_Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abadan_Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Britain has as much to do with the coup as the U.S. did...if not more. It was British buisness interests that were threatened, it was Britain that was gearing up for a possible war, and it was Britain that convinced Eisenhower (after Truman had already rejected the idea) to go ahead with the covert op.

So don't go laying all the blame on the U.S...just cause they got entangled in Britain's colonial fuck-ups.

While it is true that the West overthrew Iran's democracy, when the Iranians overthrew the oppressive Shah, instead of create a new democracy, they chose to create a wackjob theocracy.

While it is true that the West overthrew Iran's democracy, when the Iranians overthrew the oppressive Shah, instead of create a new democracy, they chose to create a wackjob theocracy.

Ahem...

On February 11, Khomeini declared a provisional government led by prime minster Mehdi Bazargan and on March 30 to March 31, asked all Iranians sixteen years of age and older, male and female, to vote in a referendum on the question of establishing an Islamic republic in Iran. Over 98% voted in favour of replacing the monarchy with the newly-proposed form of government. Khomeini's new Islamic state instated conservative Islamic laws and unprecedented levels of direct clerical rule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Might not be "Western" democracy, but they DID vote for it.

*shrugs shoulders*

Ahem...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Might not be "Western" democracy, but they DID vote for it.

*shrugs shoulders*

That's why I said they chose to create a wackjob theocracy. They could have had a free multi-party democracy, instead they choice wackotopia.

That's why I said they chose to create a wackjob theocracy. They could have had a free multi-party democracy, instead they choice wackotopia.

Fair enough. :)

These people who speak out against our leader, should turly die.
you forgot to write Seig Heil!

Ahmadinedjad got elected to office unlike the other examples you cite. Then again, that's mainly because the President is more of a figure head in Iran, the Islamic Council they have are the ones that run the show.

My point, really, was that the support of the people doesn't seem that relevent and certainly isn't a nessecity(sp?), look at Blair!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16307790/

This good news indeed. Look like Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't really speak for the Iranian people after all.

Ahmadinejad's just an idiotic bastard. That's how you spell his name. Some idiot was raving against the 'moola-crats' and their 'puppet A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket'. Christ, seriously.

Re: The people being disappointed by Ahmedijihad - note that he came to power in electrions that were pretty severely restricted. Specifically, every seriously moderate candidate wasn't allowed to run (Largely due to the mildly arthritic conservatives playing safe, after the mild disaster that was Chatami). Though one figures that the US' pressure on Iran might've helped in getting the hardliners some votes, too (Seeing as, while Iran's the second-most democratic state in the region after, uh, Israel, it still isn't particularly fond of the United States that fucked it up, in concert with Britain, regardless of the people's position on their arthritic religious leaders - personally, I'd say the anglo-saxons apologizing for the Ajax-fuckup would actually help decreasing tensions a 'lil).

In any case. Anybody has statistics on how many percent of the (Eligible) population actually participated in the presidential elections handy? My guess would be 'Rather few', as anyone vaguely disappointed with the conservatives (Old-school socialists that were beaten by Khomeini, back when he took power - well, the ones that didn't emigrate -, and the majority of people below twenty-five years of age) might've stayed away.

And this time around, feeling 'Safe' again, the Council once more allowed the moderates in (At least, that's how I interpret the article), and BANG! they once more have to face the ugly truth.

The things that happen if you actually allow real elections. Tsk, tsk.