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Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.

Even Grandma?! :eek:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

CNN article says 95% overall, 91% of women.

But...but...if we just TELL people to stop fucking, that should work, right?

We just have to TELL kids to not have sex until they get married! If we tell them, over and over and over, they're sure to understand and stop fucking! Just because that message has never worked, ever, in the history of human society on this planet, doesn't mean we should give up on it!

Even Grandma?! :eek:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I dioscovered last year that my grandmother not only had premarital sex, but also gave birth to a son out of wedlock.

In 1939.

Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.

yup......everybody did it but they all lied because good girls don't and only sluts and whores did.....

How long until someone comes along and claims this is a lie put out by the "liberal media" as "propaganda" to try to justify "immoral behavior"?

Interestingly, there was an article in the most recent issue of SciAm that said the number of teenage virgins has increased; I guess kids are just waiting until college to have sex, huh?

My guess is that most people don't like the idea of gramma and granddad being horny at any time in their lives. It's no shock to me, as I've known for years that the man I grew up knowing as granddad married my grandmother to save her reputation, but I can see how it might be a shock to some.

Of course, I also went to a showing a couple of years ago of antique smut at the Red Vic in San Francisco--90 minutes of silent film porn from the 20s and 30s. Hysterical stuff.

What does it matter if the subject is taught or not?

But...but...if we just TELL people to stop fucking, that should work, right?

We just have to TELL kids to not have sex until they get married! If we tell them, over and over and over, they're sure to understand and stop fucking! Just because that message has never worked, ever, in the history of human society on this planet, doesn't mean we should give up on it!

Isn't it funny how some people seem to think that horniness is a relatively recent development in human evolution?

I am not surprized about either result. America is a place bombarded with sex, only no one wants to talk about it seriously.

How long until someone comes along and claims this is a lie put out by the "liberal media" as "propaganda" to try to justify "immoral behavior"?

Done and done:

However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was skeptical of the findings.

"Any time I see numbers that high, I'm a little suspicious," she said. "The numbers are too pat."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/12/19/premarital.sex.ap/index.html

Pray for everyone's soul!

According to Finer’s analysis, 99 percent of the respondents had had sex by age 44
Did this include priests and nuns?

Interestingly, there was an article in the most recent issue of SciAm that said the number of teenage virgins has increased; I guess kids are just waiting until college to have sex, huh?

or they were lying about having sex as teenage boys like to do.....I doubt the numbers actually change much from generation to generation, it's just that people lie even on blind surveys.....

I don't think I know anyone who hasn't had premarital sex.

you ARE going to be taking a copy of this article to school arent you?

few thoughts

1) ive read that 1/3 of the marriages in the COLONIAL period were shotgun weddings.

2) when grandma was a girl (or lets say great grandma) the age of menarche was about 14 maybe 15 and she was married by 18. today the age of menarche is more like 10 and we get married at 24 on average. thats way too long to expect anyone to wait before having sex.

3) grandma wasnt a slut. having premarital sex includes sleeping with your boyfriend, getting knocked up, getting married. it also includes having sex with your fiance in the months leading up to the wedding. today we are extremely reluctant to get married to legitimize an unexpected pregnancy. plus there is no longer a premuim on virginity in women so no big reason to "save yourself for marriage". (not that anyone did)

or they were lying about having sex as teenage boys like to do.....I doubt the numbers actually change much from generation to generation, it's just that people lie even on blind surveys.....

My guess was that kids are just having sex later, and because of that more of them are having premarital sex. Who knows, though...surveys are notorious for being distorted especially on issues like sex which are seen as embarassing or controversial by a lot of people.

Actually, it's 95%, not just 90%.

More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, [...] According to Finer’s analysis, 99 percent of the respondents had had sex by age 44, and 95 percent had done so before marriage.

Isn't it funny how some people seem to think that horniness is a relatively recent development in human evolution?
It's like how every generation of teenagers is sure that no adults have ever really understood what it means to be young and rebelious. No adults know what it really means to be in love, either! Or what it means to want somebody so bad that you are compelled to learn guitar so you can set your poorly-constructed love verses to music!

Every generation thinks it has invented sex and love anew. At least until it walks in on the previous generation having sex, which is like totally gross because they're like 45 years old and stuff.

or they were lying about having sex as teenage boys like to do.....I doubt the numbers actually change much from generation to generation, it's just that people lie even on blind surveys.....

yeah, that's probably right. Nothing verifiable either way, but likely, however.

It's like how every generation of teenagers is sure that no adults have ever really understood what it means to be young and rebelious. No adults know what it really means to be in love, either! Or what it means to want somebody so bad that you are compelled to learn guitar so you can set your poorly-constructed love verses to music!

Every generation thinks it has invented sex and love anew. At least until it walks in on the previous generation having sex, which is like totally gross because they're like 45 years old and stuff.

when adults put out the kind of crap you learn in abstinence only education what is a kid to think?

Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.

And I, a 13 year old never dated virgin, know as much as Pancake.

when adults put out the kind of crap you learn in abstinence only education what is a kid to think?

Funny thing, my hs was abstinence only and the years following it's debate I believe 2 or 3 people had babies. :) That'll teach the school board.

I dioscovered last year that my grandmother not only had premarital sex, but also gave birth to a son out of wedlock.

In 1939.

me too....I discovered I had a long lost aunt that no one spoke about ......my aunt wasn't really my aunt she was actually my cousin, my grandmother raised her as her daughter when in fact she was my aunts daughter, being illegitimate in 1929 was a bad thing......we also found another missing cousin(illegitimate) that was shunned by our elders....hopefully we(the cousins) have now found all the castoff cousins and brought them back into the family......

when adults put out the kind of crap you learn in abstinence only education what is a kid to think?
Touche.

I vote let everyone do whatever the hell they want. On any subject. Consequences will happen.

Even Grandma?! :eek:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That's a lie! Grandparents don't have sex!

It's like how every generation of teenagers is sure that no adults have ever really understood what it means to be young and rebelious. No adults know what it really means to be in love, either! Or what it means to want somebody so bad that you are compelled to learn guitar so you can set your poorly-constructed love verses to music!

Every generation thinks it has invented sex and love anew. At least until it walks in on the previous generation having sex, which is like totally gross because they're like 45 years old and stuff.

funny but true....I see my kids doing the same things I did, I try advise guide them to save them some heartache that's all i can do.......The thought of their mom and dad having sex...."EWWWWW, I don't want that picture in my head!!!!"

you ARE going to be taking a copy of this article to school arent you?

few thoughts

1) ive read that 1/3 of the marriages in the COLONIAL period were shotgun weddings.

2) when grandma was a girl (or lets say great grandma) the age of menarche was about 14 maybe 15 and she was married by 18. today the age of menarche is more like 10 and we get married at 24 on average. thats way too long to expect anyone to wait before having sex.

3) grandma wasnt a slut. having premarital sex includes sleeping with your boyfriend, getting knocked up, getting married. it also includes having sex with your fiance in the months leading up to the wedding. today we are extremely reluctant to get married to legitimize an unexpected pregnancy. plus there is no longer a premuim on virginity in women so no big reason to "save yourself for marriage". (not that anyone did)


Sadly, I just got off today for Christmas break and don't go back to school till January 2. And my printer is broken.

:(

I am, however, writing a letter to the State Board of Education to ask it what the hell it is doing. I plan to do that very soon.

Horn said he found the high percentages of premarital sex cited in the study to be plausible, and expressed hope that society would not look askance at the small minority that chooses to remain abstinent before marriage.Course not. Just the ones that want to push that on the rest of us.

funny but true....I see my kids doing the same things I did, I try advise guide them to save them some heartache that's all i can do.......The thought of their mom and dad having sex...."EWWWWW, I don't want that picture in my head!!!!"

Now picture your grand parents going at it. Old leathery flesh on old leathery flesh!

Sadly, I just got off today for Christmas break and don't go back to school till January 2. And my printer is broken.

:(

I am, however, writing a letter to the State Board of Education to ask it what the hell it is doing. I plan to do that very soon.

are you done with that godawful class then?

Now picture your grand parents going at it. Old leathery flesh on old leathery flesh!

The wrinkles provide extra traction. And more places to hold.

How long until someone comes along and claims this is a lie put out by the "liberal media" as "propaganda" to try to justify "immoral behavior"?

This is a lie put out by the liberal satanist gay muslim jew black arab hispanic media to justify satanistic immoral behavior that helps the terriosts win. Many studies conducted by the heritage foundation have shown that black people's semen contains several ounces of hellfire, which is why black woman are so slutty, since hellfire is an addictive substance given by satan. But that's not the point, the point is hellfire addiction helps the terriosts. Which is why we must execute all the negroes at once.

Sincerely yours,
Fox News.

Now picture your grand parents going at it. Old leathery flesh on old leathery flesh!

Grannies Gone Wild!

Funny thing, my hs was abstinence only and the years following it's debate I believe 2 or 3 people had babies. :) That'll teach the school board.Well...
However, Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America, a conservative group which strongly supports abstinence-only education, said she was skeptical of the findings.

“Any time I see numbers that high, I’m a little suspicious,” she said. “The numbers are too pat.”

Grannies Gone Wild!You're joking about stuff like this as though they didn't print magazines containing pictures of it...

Grannies Gone Wild!

You know there's probably a bunch of websites with that idea already.

You know there's probably a bunch of websites with that idea already.
Probably? Absolutely there are.

For the most part, if you can imagine a sexual fetish, there are web sites devoted to it.

Except blind people. Which is weird. I would have thought there would be a market for that.

Except blind people. Which is weird. I would have thought there would be a market for that.

"Sonic erotica" websites exist. As do talking vibrators.
I indeed do not know of any braille-compatible eroticasites, but I cannot imagine there being none.

Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL

Grannies Gone Wild!

hey, lack of teeth can be nice...it's so...gummy:cool:

Pray for everyone's soul!


Did this include priests and nuns?

Well, yeah. You don't have to obey vows until you've taken them, you know. ;)

"Sonic erotica" websites exist. As do talking vibrators.
I indeed do not know of any braille-compatible eroticasites, but I cannot imagine there being none.
I'm not talking about porn for blind people - I'm talking about visual porn featuring blind people.

But amazingly, there appear to be no "blind girl" fetish sites.

Probably? Absolutely there are.

For the most part, if you can imagine a sexual fetish, there are web sites devoted to it.

Except blind people. Which is weird. I would have thought there would be a market for that.

I tried to look up rotten fruit fetish the other day and couldn't find even one site dedicated to it.

no matter what you can think of as weird, there is someone else doing it.....and a whole lot more you can't begin to imagine(and there is probable already a website for it too)

Well...

She's an idiot. I paid a visit to the "abstinence Clearinghouse" website and I saw some retarded post about "Whee, let's give our 10 year olds the HPV vaccine, we're not giving them a message at all!" :rolleyes: I think the US is the only country (currently, though I may be wrong) with this vaccine and people are spreading this BS. I want to go get it but my mom won't let me until I plan on being sexually active, which I think is a load of BS because I'd like to get it over with now and not have to worry about it when I'm 18 or 19 or 24 or 36.

She's an idiot. I paid a visit to the "abstinence Clearinghouse" website and I saw some retarded post about "Whee, let's give our 10 year olds the HPV vaccine, we're not giving them a message at all!" :rolleyes: I think the US is the only country (currently, though I may be wrong) with this vaccine and people are spreading this BS. I want to go get it but my mom won't let me until I plan on being sexually active, which I think is a load of BS because I'd like to get it over with now and not have to worry about it when I'm 18 or 19 or 24 or 36.

Getting it now beats waking up next to your boyfriend and hoping it's not too late to have a vaccine, as opposed to a cure.

Getting it now beats waking up next to your boyfriend and hoping it's not too late to have a vaccine, as opposed to a cure.

Exactly. I'd rather get it now and not have to worry about HPV later.

I am a little skeptical of these statistics.

Exactly. I'd rather get it now and not have to worry about HPV later.
This one is wise.
I am a little skeptical of these statistics.
Well the results from the teenagers need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Though I don't see Granny lying about pre-marital sex.

She's an idiot. I paid a visit to the "abstinence Clearinghouse" website and I saw some retarded post about "Whee, let's give our 10 year olds the HPV vaccine, we're not giving them a message at all!" :rolleyes: I think the US is the only country (currently, though I may be wrong) with this vaccine and people are spreading this BS. I want to go get it but my mom won't let me until I plan on being sexually active, which I think is a load of BS because I'd like to get it over with now and not have to worry about it when I'm 18 or 19 or 24 or 36.

My parents are telling me to get it even though I'm never going to be sexually active, but I'm afraid that that would mean that I'd have to go to a gynecologist to get it, and I don't want to do that.

Well the results from the teenagers need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Though I don't see Granny lying about pre-marital sex.

Yes but think of how many fundamentalists are in the US, thats way over 5%, and I would think at least 70% of them would be abstaining. As well as many average christians, many of whome would also be abstaining. Lets not forget all the other religions now as well.

Then theres also the number of people who just wont be able to get some, i'm sure this number ads up to way over 5%

My parents are telling me to get it even though I'm never going to be sexually active, but I'm afraid that that would mean that I'd have to go to a gynecologist to get it, and I don't want to do that.

I'm not sure that you do, that you can go to a regular family doctor, but then again I haven't gotten it because my mom won't let me get it until I plan on being sexually active. :mad:

Yes but think of how many fundamentalists are in the US, thats way over 5%, and I would think at least 70% of them would be abstaining. As well as many average christians, many of whome would also be abstaining. Lets not forget all the other religions now as well.

Then theres also the number of people who just wont be able to get some, i'm sure this number ads up to way over 5%

Who says fundies haven't had sex before marriage? They did, they totally did. They're lying about it because they don't want their church friends getting pissed off.

I got sick right before Homecoming one time and went to my boyfriend's and seeing as I wasn't up to sorts I couldn't call my parents. My mom thought I had sex and threatened to skin me and take me to the gynecologist and all of this other stuff. Mothers. :rolleyes:

Who says fundies haven't had sex before marriage? They did, they totally did. They're lying about it because they don't want their church friends getting pissed off.

Well we will see. I am always seeing quirky statistics like this that turn out to be unreliable in the end.

I'm not sure that you do, that you can go to a regular family doctor, but then again I haven't gotten it because my mom won't let me get it until I plan on being sexually active. :mad:

so...when do you plan to be sexually active?
I mean, how will you know?
and are you going to have the balls to tell your mum?
This is sort of creepy. My son would be older than you now.
*spanks Darknovae*
Bad Darknovae BAD! No thinking about these things yet!
You have to wait till your at least 65!:mad:

My parents are telling me to get it even though I'm never going to be sexually active, but I'm afraid that that would mean that I'd have to go to a gynecologist to get it, and I don't want to do that.
Meh, can't hurt to get it I guess. Unless it's an injection, in which case it might hurt a bit.
Yes but think of how many fundamentalists are in the US, thats way over 5%, and I would think at least 70% of them would be abstaining. As well as many average christians, many of whome would also be abstaining. Lets not forget all the other religions now as well.

Then theres also the number of people who just wont be able to get some, i'm sure this number ads up to way over 5%
This is true.
I'm not sure that you do, that you can go to a regular family doctor, but then again I haven't gotten it because my mom won't let me get it until I plan on being sexually active. :mad:
Surely the obvious thing to do is tell her you plan to be sexually active?

so...when do you plan to be sexually active?
I mean, how will you know?
and are you going to have the balls to tell your mum?
This is sort of creepy. My son would be older than you now.
*spanks Darknovae*
Bad Darknovae BAD! No thinking about these things yet!
You have to wait till your at least 65!:mad:

But at 65.... ewwww..... I'm not waiting THAT long.

And I don't plan on telling my mom either, and she probably knows this becaue I rarely tell her anything so she won't let me go and get it.

And ow..... :mad: :(

Yes but think of how many fundamentalists are in the US, thats way over 5%, and I would think at least 70% of them would be abstaining. As well as many average christians, many of whome would also be abstaining. Lets not forget all the other religions now as well.

Then theres also the number of people who just wont be able to get some, i'm sure this number ads up to way over 5%

if you have sex with your fiance the night before your wedding, you have had premarital sex.

if you get divorced and have sex before your NEXT marriage, you have had pre marital sex

I'm not sure that you do, that you can go to a regular family doctor, but then again I haven't gotten it because my mom won't let me get it until I plan on being sexually active. :mad:

I really don't know. If that's the case, then I'll get it, but if I have to go to a gynecologist, I won't get the vaccine.

I would also have expected it to have been less than 99%, since the only estimates of asexuality put it at 1% of the population (and I would expect a good amount of asexuals to have not had sex, although some probably have), and I don't think it would then make sense for just about every sexual (I use it here to mean "not asexual") person to have had sex before marriage.

if you have sex with your fiance the night before your wedding, you have had premarital sex.

if you get divorced and have sex before your NEXT marriage, you have had pre marital sex

Yep.......

But at 65.... ewwww..... I'm not waiting THAT long.

And I don't plan on telling my mom either, and she probably knows this becaue I rarely tell her anything so she won't let me go and get it.

And ow..... :mad: :(

so you should go tell your mom NOW that you plan on being sexually active.

when she recovers ask her if she is SURE she wants to know these things and suggest that its probably best to consider it a health issue rather than a sexual one.

I really don't know. If that's the case, then I'll get it, but if I have to go to a gynecologist, I won't get the vaccine.


My wife is in medical school so I called and asked. She didn't know right off hand but is checking. I'll post in a minute.

so you should go tell your mom NOW that you plan on being sexually active.

when she recovers ask her if she is SURE she wants to know these things and suggest that its probably best to consider it a health issue rather than a sexual one.

^A very cool lady^

so you should go tell your mom NOW that you plan on being sexually active.

when she recovers ask her if she is SURE she wants to know these things and suggest that its probably best to consider it a health issue rather than a sexual one.

Well I don't plan on being sexually active anytime soon, as I'm about two and a half weeks shy of 15.

But when I do become sexually active..... that's when I can get the shot. :rolleyes:

Well I don't plan on being sexually active anytime soon, as I'm about two and a half weeks shy of 15.

But when I do become sexually active..... that's when I can get the shot. :rolleyes:

Can't beat "Horse gone, lock barn" mentality.

Can't beat "Horse gone, lock barn" mentality.

:confused: Wha???

My wife is in medical school so I called and asked. She didn't know right off hand but is checking. I'll post in a minute.

Thank you.

^A very cool lady^

:fluffle: to Ashmoria!

:fluffle: :)

if the horse has left the barn, it does no good to lock the barn door sweety.

You get it before you ever have sex.

if your mom is weirded out about it and won't do it, or you are scared to tell her, you can get it free at planned parenthood. They have a swebsite and locations everywhere.

And you don't have to go to a gynocologist to get it. You can get it anywhere. At any doctor I mean.

You guys need to find an adult friend (a alady) to ask this crap from. The internet is the wrong place to go about finding out about sex and all that. And you DO need to know it.

*looks embarassed*

:confused: Wha???

Getting HPV shot when sexually active=locking barn door after horse has escaped=pulling your hood up after your hair gets wet

That kind of thing.

I just had the 1st discussions with my daughters(15 & 18) about this vaccine the other day, I think it's a good idea, sex isn't usually planned it's a spontaneous thing...so getting a vaccine as a precaution is wise, no different than a polio or flu vaccine.....

if the horse has left the barn, it does no good to lock the barn door sweety.

You get it before you ever have sex.

if your mom is weirded out about it and won't do it, or you are scared to tell her, you can get it free at planned parenthood. They have a swebsite and locations everywhere.

And you don't have to go to a gynocologist to get it. You can get it anywhere.

You guys need to find an adult friend (a alady) to ask this crap from. The internet is the wrong place to go about finding out about sex and all that. And you DO need to know it.

*looks embarassed*

Thanks for that information. I guess I can get it when I go to the doctor next.

As I said before, I'm not going to ever be sexually active, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable with going to a gynocolgist.

sooo... still got all your hair? I started feeling mine fall out just asking RIe about all this. I hope I never have daughters.

Getting HPV shot when sexually active=locking barn door after horse has escaped=pulling your hood up after your hair gets wet

That kind of thing.
Oh.... :headbang: I meant that when I PLAN on being active...errr.... like right before I do it.

And my mom is not exactly open toward this kind of thing, and I don't have any female friends I can go to for this, so Planned Parenthood it is :(

Thanks for that information. I guess I can get it when I go to the doctor next.

As I said before, I'm not going to ever be sexually active, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable with going to a gynocolgist.


never say never. Our bodies (and minds) do strange things. In 15 years you may just have a harem full of guys (or girls as the case may be) following you around.

Well I don't plan on being sexually active anytime soon, as I'm about two and a half weeks shy of 15.

But when I do become sexually active..... that's when I can get the shot. :rolleyes:

of course youre not planning on having sex. i know that. and i dont think that you are fooling yourself.

telling your mother NOW will give her the shock she needs to realize that

1) she's not going to know when you start being sexually active

and

2) that she doesnt want to know

hpv is a health issue not a sex issue. unlike birth control its something you should get as soon as your doctor says you are old enough. its not a "get laid" license its a vaccine that can save your freaking life.

never say never. Our bodies (and minds) do strange things. In 15 years you may just have a harem full of guys (or girls as the case may be) following you around.

She's asexual.

Oh.... :headbang: I meant that when I PLAN on being active...errr.... like right before I do it.

And my mom is not exactly open toward this kind of thing, and I don't have any female friends I can go to for this, so Planned Parenthood it is :(

You'll plan on being active about 30 seconds after you get your panst down. Not saying you are a slut, it's just what happens. Get the shot:D

and I know she is. But that doesn't mean it won't change. Or can't. It just means right now it doesn't really appeal for one reason or another. Which isn't unusual actually. Hell if someone can swing from being gay to bi to staright and back, they can also find sex growing in appeal, eh? Or going away. If a floozy like me can fall in love and settle down I expect ANYTHING can happen.

of course youre not planning on having sex. i know that. and i dont think that you are fooling yourself.

telling your mother NOW will give her the shock she needs to realize that

1) she's not going to know when you start being sexually active

and

2) that she doesnt want to know

hpv is a health issue not a sex issue. unlike birth control its something you should get as soon as your doctor says you are old enough. its not a "get laid" license its a vaccine that can save your freaking life.
Yeah... no cervical cancer for Pancake.... and if you think the HPV shot is a liscense to get laid, then you're saying that a tetanus shot is a liscense to step on rusty nails.... :rolleyes:

You'll plan on being active about 30 seconds after you get your panst down. Not saying you are a slut, it's just what happens. Get the shot:D

Yeah...


But seeing as I haven't foudn the right person yet....

Thanks for that information. I guess I can get it when I go to the doctor next.

As I said before, I'm not going to ever be sexually active, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable with going to a gynocolgist.

you dont go to the gynecologist because you are sexually active. the gyno is a specialist in your reproductive system. you have a reproductive system whether you are using it or not. 16 is a good age for your first visit.

you dont go to the gynecologist because you are sexually active. the gyno is a specialist in your reproductive system. you have a reproductive system whether you are using it or not. 16 is a good age for your first visit.

Why 16? I keep hearing 18...

Yeah... no cervical cancer for Pancake.... and if you think the HPV shot is a liscense to get laid, then you're saying that a tetanus shot is a liscense to step on rusty nails.... :rolleyes:

lol

so then why would your mother be against your getting the shot now, well before you are sexually active?

Why 16? I keep hearing 18...

16 because she IS 16 and the subject is on the table.

there is no reason to WAIT until 18 but you really should have a first visit by the end of your 18th year.

lol

so then why would your mother be against your getting the shot now, well before you are sexually active?

It's my mom.

She also doesn't want me to take driver's ed though I am old enough (in the state of North Carolina) and she cracked a joke about taking me out of band because of the "gay group" which I didn't find funny.

Wade Horn, assistant secretary for children and families at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, defended the abstinence-only approach for teenagers:
“One of its values is to help young people delay the onset of sexual activity,”
Damn right! Can't have those little bastards enjoying themselves!

My parents are telling me to get it even though I'm never going to be sexually active, but I'm afraid that that would mean that I'd have to go to a gynecologist to get it, and I don't want to do that.

I don't believe you'd need to see a gynecologist for the Gardasil shots, but you are going to have to go to a gynecologist in a year or two anyway. It's really not that bad, I promise. Gynecologists are used to new patients feeling awkward and nervous, and are usually great at dealing with that. (My doctor tells me horrendously bad jokes while she's examining me. It's hard to be too very stressed out while listening to terrible jokes.) :)

It's my mom.

She also doesn't want me to take driver's ed though I am old enough (in the state of North Carolina) and she cracked a joke about taking me out of band because of the "gay group" which I didn't find funny.

you're so cute! I can see you pressing your lips together in my mind as you think about that! ROFLMAO

Where in NC? My sister and her family live in the triangle (Apex)

Thanks for that information. I guess I can get it when I go to the doctor next.

As I said before, I'm not going to ever be sexually active, and I wouldn't really feel comfortable with going to a gynocolgist.

You know, I just thought about this as well: Not that you would be, but if you were ever molested this damn vaccine might be the thing that saves your life. At least you would know you weren't going to get cancer from the barstard as well, right?

But...but...if we just TELL people to stop fucking, that should work, right?

We just have to TELL kids to not have sex until they get married! If we tell them, over and over and over, they're sure to understand and stop fucking! Just because that message has never worked, ever, in the history of human society on this planet, doesn't mean we should give up on it!

You know, I questioned for a while the interesting coincidence that people who support abstinence only education typically also support Bush if they are an American, until I realized that it made perfect sense: if they can't realize their own methods are stupid, how will they realize our current President is?

you dont go to the gynecologist because you are sexually active. the gyno is a specialist in your reproductive system. you have a reproductive system whether you are using it or not. 16 is a good age for your first visit.

Okay, that makes more sense. I'll probably wait to go until I'm 18, because I really don't feel comfortable with it right now.

I don't believe you'd need to see a gynecologist for the Gardasil shots, but you are going to have to go to a gynecologist in a year or two anyway. It's really not that bad, I promise. Gynecologists are used to new patients feeling awkward and nervous, and are usually great at dealing with that. (My doctor tells me horrendously bad jokes while she's examining me. It's hard to be too very stressed out while listening to terrible jokes.) :)

All right, I'll probably talk to my doctor about it the next time I go.

It just seems horrifying to me right now.:(

never say never. Our bodies (and minds) do strange things. In 15 years you may just have a harem full of guys (or girls as the case may be) following you around.

Darknovae answered that:) :

She's asexual.

Yes.:)

lol! Good luck you two!

It just seems horrifying to me right now.:(


That's really very normal. I think a lot of girls/women are nervous about going to the gynecologist for the first time - I certainly know I was. I felt like it was going to be something painful and humiliating, and then I got there and discovered that I was really being a big silly-head. I suspect you'll have much the same experience in a couple of years. :)

That's really very normal. I think a lot of girls/women are nervous about going to the gynecologist for the first time - I certainly know I was. I felt like it was going to be something painful and humiliating, and then I got there and discovered that I was really being a big silly-head. I suspect you'll have much the same experience in a couple of years. :)

I hope so. Thank you.:)

c'mon, continue the talking. i was watching this for entertainment...now i'm starting to get bored >.>

ummn, yes well...

as was said before, just another way to keep them damn bastards from enjoying themselves...and whatnot

and I agree, as if just telling us is going to make us not do it...:cool: yeah, i'm cool, cause that's how I roll. :)

c'mon, continue the talking. i was watching this for entertainment...now i'm starting to get bored >.>Lurkers...:rolleyes: :p

That's really very normal. I think a lot of girls/women are nervous about going to the gynecologist for the first time - I certainly know I was. I felt like it was going to be something painful and humiliating, and then I got there and discovered that I was really being a big silly-head. I suspect you'll have much the same experience in a couple of years. :)
Wait, wait, wait, wait- you're FEMALE? :eek:
But-wha-geh-uh... *spluttering noises*

yeah, lurker, sure...just another bored person imo:p ...

Wait, wait, wait, wait- you're FEMALE? :eek:
But-wha-geh-uh... *spluttering noises*

Um, yes. Did I post something that led you to believe otherwise? :confused:

Um, yes. Did I post something that led you to believe otherwise? :confused:
Hmm, not really. I just always had the impression you were male, can't remember why. Oh well, you lean something new every day.

Um, yes. Did I post something that led you to believe otherwise? :confused:Yes, you post in an online forum. :p

you're so cute! I can see you pressing your lips together in my mind as you think about that! ROFLMAO

Where in NC? My sister and her family live in the triangle (Apex)

I live near OBX, and that's all I'm saying.

Yes, you post in an online forum. :p

where would she post? an offline forum? lol :D

People think they can have it both ways. If you have premarital sex, are dishonest, or cheat on your spouse, you are at a higher risk for a number of nasty things including AIDS. If everybody was a good Catholic such horrors as abortion, AIDS, and all that would not even be an issue. SO, I guess if you choose to engage in such activity you reap your just rewards.

Jesus Christ, not another one.

*puts hand on forehead and sighs*

People think they can have it both ways. If you have premarital sex, are dishonest, or cheat on your spouse, you are at a higher risk for a number of nasty things including AIDS. If everybody was a good Catholic such horrors as abortion, AIDS, and all that would not even be an issue. SO, I guess if you choose to engage in such activity you reap your just rewards.

sorry

its too late to troll this thread. please feel free to pick another.

People think they can have it both ways. If you have premarital sex, are dishonest, or cheat on your spouse, you are at a higher risk for a number of nasty things including AIDS. If everybody was a good Catholic such horrors as abortion, AIDS, and all that would not even be an issue. SO, I guess if you choose to engage in such activity you reap your just rewards.

The thing is, I'm an atheist.

And your view contradicts reality.

sorry

its too late to troll this thread. please feel free to pick another.

Nothing I wrote was meant to offend. None of it is disprovable either. I earnestly hope that everybody will convert and truly believe so that the horrors that I mentioned are erased from our World.

People think they can have it both ways. If you have premarital sex, are dishonest, or cheat on your spouse, you are at a higher risk for a number of nasty things including AIDS. If everybody was a good Catholic such horrors as abortion, AIDS, and all that would not even be an issue. SO, I guess if you choose to engage in such activity you reap your just rewards.
Abortion not being an issue? Huh? :confused:
And you know, we have this red stuff that flows around our body? And if you pierce the skin, it comes out? And surprise, surprise, it can be infected with HIV. :rolleyes:

The thing is, I'm an atheist.

And your view contradicts reality.

So as an atheist you think premarital sex is good even though it leads to such things as AIDS and abortion? I do not understand.

Pious, you do NOT want people like me in your heaven. Really.
I'm a good guy in general, but your rules are...well I broke most of them already and intend to again.

Nothing I wrote was meant to offend. None of it is disprovable either. I earnestly hope that everybody will convert and truly believe so that the horrors that I mentioned are erased from our World.

If you're not a troll, I'll say that your views and perception are rather quaint and removed from reality...

...If you are a troll, however, you're just a troll, and you should be ignored.

Abortion not being an issue? Huh? :confused:
And you know, we have this red stuff that flows around our body? And if you pierce the skin, it comes out? And surprise, surprise, it can be infected with HIV. :rolleyes:

Nobody would have AIDS if they followed Catholic teaching. The "gay plague" as it was called for years would have been ended through abstinance and millions would be alive today. Ignorance and denial of God's word has put this plague upon us. The more premarital sex their is the more of it you will see. The more premarital sex you allow, the more abortions you will see. If you regard sexual diseases and abortion as positives I guess it is a good thing. But I can't imagine anybody who does.

People think they can have it both ways. If you have premarital sex, are dishonest, or cheat on your spouse, you are at a higher risk for a number of nasty things including AIDS. If everybody was a good Catholic such horrors as abortion, AIDS, and all that would not even be an issue. SO, I guess if you choose to engage in such activity you reap your just rewards.Yes, but you can reduce the risk from nasty things such as AIDS and HIV by using condoms. And getting tested beforehand. ;)

Pious, you do NOT want people like me in your heaven. Really.
I'm a good guy in general, but your rules are...well I broke most of them already and intend to again.

Why?

If you're not a troll, I'll say that your views and perception are rather quaint and removed from reality...

.

I think that the opinion that says have premarital sex all you want is removed from reality because it has led to millions of AIDS deaths and millions of abortions. But I accept being called quaint.

Yes, but you can reduce the risk from nasty things such as AIDS and HIV by using condoms. And getting tested beforehand. ;)

True, except those things entice more premarital sex and condoms sometimes fail. More AIDS. More abortions.

Nobody would have AIDS if they followed Catholic teaching. The "gay plague" as it was called for years would have been ended through abstinance and millions would be alive today. Ignorance and denial of God's word has put this plague upon us. The more premarital sex their is the more of it you will see. The more premarital sex you allow, the more abortions you will see. If you regard sexual diseases and abortion as positives I guess it is a good thing. But I can't imagine anybody who does.
Perhaps, but you can hardly say it won't be an issue any more- even without pre-marital sex those things would still exist. And ^ what Laerod said.
By the way, AIDS did not come from icky gay secks, it originated from monkeys.

Oh yes, and in the developed world, where people generally know to use protection, AIDS is common to something like 0.2% of the population, and not many people die from it. It's not really a problem, compared to something like cancer or heart disease.

Nobody would have AIDS if they followed Catholic teaching. The "gay plague" as it was called for years would have been ended through abstinance and millions would be alive today. Ignorance and denial of God's word has put this plague upon us. The more premarital sex their is the more of it you will see. The more premarital sex you allow, the more abortions you will see. If you regard sexual diseases and abortion as positives I guess it is a good thing. But I can't imagine anybody who does.


no, being human beings caused this. We have bodies that have evolved to be soewhat but not totallysimilar to chimps. CHimps developed a bloodborne pathogen. A guy killed a chimp for meat, nicked his hand in the process, and got contaminated.

Since we are not very different from chimps we evolved to be polygymous and therefore have sex with more than one :eek: person, often at during the same monogamous relationship (cheating) whcih spreads the pathogen whether we have anal sex with other men or not. Your god is a fairy tale, dreamed up to keep people in line thousands of years ago when such things helped sustain a population. You are now, however, redundant. Have a nice life being anally blocked.

I think that the opinion that says have premarital sex all you want is removed from reality because it has led to millions of AIDS deaths and millions of abortions. But I accept being called quaint.

Lack of education (as well as sheer stupidity in some parties) is the main reason for AIDS. Premarital sex is just one of the many ways of actually contracting the horrible virus. There's also blood transfusions, sweat, spit, and accidentally touching blood that is infected.

And, if you choose to accept everything and question nothing, then there's not much hope. Maybe you'll come around.

Perhaps, but you can hardly say it won't be an issue any more- even without pre-marital sex those things would still exist. And ^ what Laerod said.
By the way, AIDS did not come from icky gay secks, it originated from monkeys.

I know. All true. I am an idealist I admit it. But wouldnt millions of lives have been saved if nobody was having premarital sex in places like Africa?

Nobody would have AIDS if they followed Catholic teaching. The "gay plague" as it was called for years would have been ended through abstinance and millions would be alive today. Ignorance and denial of God's word has put this plague upon us. Maybe if we kill God the plague will stop. You've just found the cure for AIDS!!!

Lack of education (as well as sheer stupidity in some parties) is the main reason for AIDS. Premarital sex is just one of the many ways of actually contracting the horrible virus. There's also blood transfusions, sweat, spit, and accidentally touching blood that is infected.

And, if you choose to accept everything and question nothing, then there's not much hope. Maybe you'll come around.
You can't get AIDS from sweat or spit... (?)

I think that the opinion that says have premarital sex all you want is removed from reality because it has led to millions of AIDS deaths and millions of abortions. But I accept being called quaint.

More like lack of knowledge of birth control and heroine.

You can't get AIDS from sweat or spit... (?)

I thought it was common knowledge.

. Your god is a fairy tale, dreamed up to keep people in line thousands of years ago when such things helped sustain a population. You are now, however, redundant. Have a nice life being anally blocked.

This is the kind of lame disrespect that happens when people lose the capacity to debate in a rational way. Mean. Nasty. Boring.

Lack of education (as well as sheer stupidity in some parties) is the main reason for AIDS. Premarital sex is just one of the many ways of actually contracting the horrible virus. There's also blood transfusions, sweat, spit, and accidentally touching blood that is infected.

And, if you choose to accept everything and question nothing, then there's not much hope. Maybe you'll come around.

Answer me this....what percent of AIDS is the result of premarital sex? Wouldnt you like those people to not have become infected?

Lack of education (as well as sheer stupidity in some parties) is the main reason for AIDS. Premarital sex is just one of the many ways of actually contracting the horrible virus. There's also blood transfusions, sweat, spit, and accidentally touching blood that is infected.

And, if you choose to accept everything and question nothing, then there's not much hope. Maybe you'll come around.

You can't get HIV from sweat or spit......

I thought it was common knowledge.
I'm going by the Wikipedia article here, but...
Infection with HIV occurs by the transfer of blood, semen, vaginal fluid, Cowper's fluid or breast milk.
No spit or sweat there.
Ah, just saw this:
HIV has been found at low concentrations in the saliva, tears and urine of infected individuals, but the risk of transmission by these secretions is negligible.

Maybe if we kill God the plague will stop. You've just found the cure for AIDS!!!

Hmmm, I don't think killing the Judge changes the law.

True, except those things entice more premarital sex and condoms sometimes fail. More AIDS. More abortions.Sometimes, yeah. If there was more stress on using condoms as opposed to not having sex, AIDS spreading would decrease dramatically. Stressing abstinence only is doomed to failure, or else South America, predominately catholic, would have a lot less AIDS infections than Western Europe, which is not nearly as devout.

I know. All true. I am an idealist I admit it. But wouldnt millions of lives have been saved if nobody was having premarital sex in places like Africa?

Millions of lives would have been saved if rich Europeans didn't dine on monkey meat.

Hmmm, I don't think killing the Judge changes the law.
But it prevents the trial from taking place and, therefore, the punishment. :)

And how many people got HIV through having pre-marital sex whilst using protection? Not very many at all.

This is the kind of lame disrespect that happens when people lose the capacity to debate in a rational way. Mean. Nasty. Boring.

As is your comment that if we only were good little catholics we wouldn't all get aids from ass sex.

Besides, I LIKE being mean nasty and boring. well, not the nasty bit but I shave and wash under my armpits. And boring? BORING? BORING?

Hmmm, I don't think killing the Judge changes the law.Way to miss the point.

Sometimes, yeah. If there was more stress on using condoms as opposed to not having sex, AIDS spreading would decrease dramatically. Stressing abstinence only is doomed to failure, or else South America, predominately catholic, would have a lot less AIDS infections than Western Europe, which is not nearly as devout.

Answer me this....what is more effective......abstinance or condoms?

But it prevents the trial from taking place and, therefore, the punishment. :)

And how many people got HIV through having pre-marital sex whilst using protection? Not very many at all.

I ask you.....what is more effective abstinance or condoms?

I know. All true. I am an idealist I admit it. But wouldnt millions of lives have been saved if nobody was having premarital sex in places like Africa?
I don't know--maybe they'd have all killed each other out of extreme sexual frustration instead. I mean, as long as we're making stupid what if statements and all.

Answer me this....what is more effective......abstinance or condoms?You're asking the wrong question.

What is more likely to happen: That a person stays true to their vow of abstinence or that a condom breaks during sex?

I ask you.....what is more effective abstinance or condoms?
Abstinence, naturally. But I ask you... which is more effective at staying out of a car accident? Driving safely and using a safe car, or hiding in your house all day and refusing to drive or go out on the pavement?

Again Pious, you're missing human nature. We were never made to be that perfect. Your church tehrefore has confession, last sacraments and jebus.

Me, I believe in condoms.

I ask you.....what is more effective abstinance or condoms?

Now which one is the more reailistic option to put in place?

Face it people, man is an animal, and like all animals we have urges, some include the need to drink, a lot, and then play a real life game of Frogger and other urges include the need to have sex. I say need because have you seen what happens to people when they don't have sex in a while? They go crazy, quite literally. Hell vibrators were first used by doctors to give women orgasms which would treat a wide range of "ailments" including depression and constant nervousness.

I guess I don't see what the big deal is in all of this, it's not like this poll should have shocked anyone.

Suppose I might as well get this one out of the way, since it related to this topic. Any man who says he doesn't masturbate is either A.) very religious or B.) lying. I don't know about you, but I'm not very religious.

Peter: Why are all the dinosaurs dead?

Priest: Because you touch yourself at night!

Answer me this....what is more effective......abstinance or condoms?

Answer us this .... what is more effective ... telling people to abstain or telling people to use condoms.

We can only chose abstainance or conoms or an individual level. You can't make the discision for others. When I was a teen I was told that abstanance was the only method that was 100% effective birth control method but there were many other birth control methods too. and we got a chart of the percentages of effectiveness of preventing pregnancies. We were also told that if you want to have sex you and your parner should get STD tested before.

I guess they were a lil horny...

I know. All true. I am an idealist I admit it. But wouldnt millions of lives have been saved if nobody was having premarital sex in places like Africa?

Hey, guess what the fastest-growing demographic infected with HIV in Africa is! C'mon, guess!

Hey, guess what the fastest-growing demographic infected with HIV in Africa is! C'mon, guess!


Ooh Ooh! I know! I know!

Pick me teacher!


(does it have to do with Jebus?)

Ooh Ooh! I know! I know!

Pick me teacher!


(does it have to do with Jebus?)

Heh. Not exactly. It does, however, have to do with marital status. The fastest growing group of people being infected with HIV is monogamous married women - many of whom are almost certainly very good, faithful Catholics. Which would sort of suggest that the whole "good Catholics can't get AIDS" premise is nonsense, ya know?

well no shit

look at the times they grew up in. while everyone wants to look back at it as the good old 40's and 50's where the nation was lead by god himself, maybe you should study up to what was really happening those decades. the only difference between then and now is that then people werent wide out open with it. they kept it a secret from society. now it is part of society to share all about it.

When you think about, people born in the 40's and 50's should be the most likely to have premarrital sex because they were around for the pot smoking/free love/we're gonna protest the war because we're too lazy to get jobs/I'm so high I don't even know my own name era.

Obviously we aren't spending enough on abstence education or aren't teaching it effectively. Whatever the problem is we need to fix and quick.

Obviously we aren't spending enough on abstence education or aren't teaching it effectively. Whatever the problem is we need to fix and quick.

Exactly, this is a serious problem.

Only 95%? we need to get that number up immediatly

I don't think 100% is a bad goal to reach for...I mean, why go half measures on something so important as premarital sex?

I don't think 100% is a bad goal to reach for...I mean, why go half measures on something so important as premarital sex?

I've got to figure that those 5-10% are just people who've never gotten married and don't plan to, and if you never get married, you can't have pre-marital sex.

And then there are people like me, who didn't have premarital sex, but aren't ever getting married again, so all the post-divorce sex doesn't count either. Confused yet? :D

I've got to figure that those 5-10% are just people who've never gotten married and don't plan to, and if you never get married, you can't have pre-marital sex.

And then there are people like me, who didn't have premarital sex, but aren't ever getting married again, so all the post-divorce sex doesn't count either. Confused yet? :D

Nope.

Obviously we aren't spending enough on abstence education or aren't teaching it effectively. Whatever the problem is we need to fix and quick.Don't be silly.

Don't be silly.

Don't take away his raison d'etre.

Obviously we aren't spending enough on abstence education or aren't teaching it effectively. Whatever the problem is we need to fix and quick.

We could arrange marriages when children are born - so that when they start to experiment they are already married ?
Of course, unless we force them to experiment with the chosen partner most of that sex would be adultery, but that is a small price to pay to get rid of the "evilz" of pre-marital sex.

Don't take away his raison d'etre.
I just find it funny that some people take the fantasy world in which all people will be abstinent if taught seriously when statistically the fantasy world in which condoms are 100% safe is astronomically more realistic.

Let's see if I can play the "Make concise satatements about every issue thus far raised" game. (I need a better name for it, any ideas?)

Pre-marital sex rate so high? I'm not surprised. Pro-abstinence teachings don't work. Simple. People will have sex, it's going to happen. In NZ we are taught that if you use condoms the way they teach you, every consequence is reduced to 2% (Being that in one year of casual sex with condoms as the only means of protection, 1 in 50 people will still get an STD or Baby)

Vaccine? Do it. I would want everyone female I know to get it if they could (Well, it's up to them, but I feel the parent shouldn't be involved in the decision really. They are hardly ever fully informed as to waht children are doing, even if they've gone through it themselves)

Gynacolagist?(sp?) If I were female, I would have gone at 16, and gone regularly as told (Of course, this is from a males perspective, I'm not looking forward to GP visits for male issues (I will once sexually active)

AIDS a punishment from god? Nope, a great example of evolution at work. Being married is not a vaccine, nor is being straight (Whilst there are partial cures/preventative measures, they'll never become widespread as long as there is profit from sick people).

Troll? I'd say so, bringing in topics tangental to the thread.



Teaching people how to use contraceptives, and making sure they know why they're using them will always be more effective than trying to get them not to. Some people will, some people wont. For the people who will, I'd rather they're partially protected. (IIRC after 50 years of frequent sex using only condoms as protection, statiscally, every female will get impregnated. (Add in the pill, and it requires 750 years for everyone to be impregnated)) (Of course, the pill alone is 15 years or something)

Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.

No, your sex ed teachers probably know a whole lot about the subject but are forced to give you another story. Education in America does not have complete freedom as they are pushed by the government and community factors to teach a certain way. Your teacher know that safer sex is the best choice in a realistic world. Abstinence would be nice but it's not reality.

Interestingly, there was an article in the most recent issue of SciAm that said the number of teenage virgins has increased; I guess kids are just waiting until college to have sex, huh?

Actually the truth is that they are not having intercourse as fequently. That doesn't mean they are doing oral, etc.

or they were lying about having sex as teenage boys like to do.....I doubt the numbers actually change much from generation to generation, it's just that people lie even on blind surveys.....

Less then you would think ... well under the 2 percent mark usually

I ask you.....what is more effective abstinance or condoms?
Effective at what? Ensuring the health and safety of human beings?

Then it's a no-brainer: condoms.

Abstinance only works as long as you abstain, which means that it only will protect humanity if we all abstain from ever having sex. That would probably lead to a rather dramatic drop in the population.

Abstaining from sex until you get married doesn't protect you against getting STDs once you're married, as evidenced by the fact that the fastest-growing population of new HIV infectees are married, monogamous women. Being married, and abstaining until they married, did precisely zip to protect these women; condoms could have saved their lives.

If you don't want to have sex, good for you. Don't have it. I will fight tooth and nail against anybody who tries to force you to have sex. But if you decide to tell dangerous lies about sex and STDs, lies which endanger the health and safety of other people, I will be happy to hand you your ass on a stick.

I've got to figure that those 5-10% are just people who've never gotten married and don't plan to, and if you never get married, you can't have pre-marital sex.

And then there are people like me, who didn't have premarital sex, but aren't ever getting married again, so all the post-divorce sex doesn't count either. Confused yet? :D

As many as 1% could be asexual. That's a factor, too.

I've got to figure that those 5-10% are just people who've never gotten married and don't plan to, and if you never get married, you can't have pre-marital sex.

I gave my Freshman Health teacher fits by making this very point when he tried to push the idea of abstaining until marriage.

"Pre-marital sex is a terrible idea!"
"Okay. I won't get married, so my sex won't be pre-marital."
"!!!!!"

It was especially funny because his reasons for why girls should remain chaste all revolved around, "If you're a slut, you'll never get a husband!" I sweetly informed him that I'd rather have a sex life than a husband, and he gave me detention. (Which I did not attend.)

And then there are people like me, who didn't have premarital sex, but aren't ever getting married again, so all the post-divorce sex doesn't count either. Confused yet? :D
Well, you're going to hell for getting a divorce in the first place!! The only way to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the holy meaning of the sexual act is to ensure that people are forced to remain in loveless marriages and have sex with people they don't want to have sex with!!!!

I gave my Freshman Health teacher fits by making this very point when he tried to push the idea of abstaining until marriage.

"Pre-marital sex is a terrible idea!"
"Okay. I won't get married, so my sex won't be pre-marital."
"!!!!!"

It was especially funny because his reasons for why girls should remain chaste all revolved around, "If you're a slut, you'll never get a husband!" I sweetly informed him that I'd rather have a sex life than a husband, and he gave me detention. (Which I did not attend.)

Well, you're going to hell for getting a divorce in the first place!! The only way to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the holy meaning of the sexual act is to ensure that people are forced to remain in loveless marriages and have sex with people they don't want to have sex with!!!!
:D Sometimes I wish I were still in 8th grade, so that I could do that... but for that purpose only, middle school sucked too much.

I gave my Freshman Health teacher fits by making this very point when he tried to push the idea of abstaining until marriage.

"Pre-marital sex is a terrible idea!"
"Okay. I won't get married, so my sex won't be pre-marital."
"!!!!!"

It was especially funny because his reasons for why girls should remain chaste all revolved around, "If you're a slut, you'll never get a husband!" I sweetly informed him that I'd rather have a sex life than a husband, and he gave me detention. (Which I did not attend.)

Well, you're going to hell for getting a divorce in the first place!! The only way to preserve the sanctity of marriage and the holy meaning of the sexual act is to ensure that people are forced to remain in loveless marriages and have sex with people they don't want to have sex with!!!!

they don't push that shit on to us here

Let's see if I can play the "Make concise satatements about every issue thus far raised" game. (I need a better name for it, any ideas?)

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I suggest "Marshalling." The implication of authority and order should appeal to a Topic Nazi.

Topic Nazis want order and progress in a debate, and think modelling it will be sufficient to snap the unenlightened out of their petty tirades. Topic Nazis try to manufacture a formal debate out of a lighthearted brawl in the fishmarket. Topic Nazis, in short, are no fun.

In case you don't know me ... I'm joking.

Interestingly, there was an article in the most recent issue of SciAm that said the number of teenage virgins has increased; I guess kids are just waiting until college to have sex, huh?

No, I'm guessing that's due more to the Internet.

Sometimes I wish I were still in 8th grade, so that I could do that... but for that purpose only, middle school sucked too much.
That's why I never went. ^=.x&

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I will be happy to hand you your ass on a stick.

:eek:
I hope that stick is sterile!

:D Sometimes I wish I were still in 8th grade, so that I could do that... but for that purpose only, middle school sucked too much.
I had so much fun with that poor fellow. He was also our gym teacher, so he had to deal with me twice every day.

Male circumcision/HIV susceptibility (BBC) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6176209.stm)

Might seem wildly off-topic, but maybe not ...

When I first heard this (adult guys getting circumcised, to reduce the risk of contracing HIV) my first thought was "BS" but the figures look very strong (better than 'smoking causes cancer' for instance.)

My next thought was "Oh no, those guys will have unprotected sex now because they think they're safe. If they're HIV + that's really bad!" ... and I thought that through. Nope. A treatment which substantially reduces any individual's chance of being infected is surely a good thing?

Male circumcision/HIV susceptibility (BBC) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6176209.stm)

Might seem wildly off-topic, but maybe not ...

When I first heard this (adult guys getting circumcised, to reduce the risk of contracing HIV) my first thought was "BS" but the figures look very strong (better than 'smoking causes cancer' for instance.)

My next thought was "Oh no, those guys will have unprotected sex now because they think they're safe. If they're HIV + that's really bad!" ... and I thought that through. Nope. A treatment which substantially reduces any individual's chance of being infected is surely a good thing?

Well I don't think it was just HIV, I think it may have been for other STDs as well (according to the MSN article). But it could be bad in the long run, in the US anyway.

Many teenage guys are finding themselves in abstinence-only classes, which say that condoms only prevent 1 out of 6 cases of HIV transmission and that condoms are no protection against HIV, so they are less likely to use condoms and if they are circumcized they may not necessarily contract HIV or STDs but also may find themselves fathers-to-be.

Well I don't think it was just HIV, I think it may have been for other STDs as well (according to the MSN article). But it could be bad in the long run, in the US anyway.

Many teenage guys are finding themselves in abstinence-only classes, which say that condoms only prevent 1 out of 6 cases of HIV transmission and that condoms are no protection against HIV, so they are less likely to use condoms and if they are circumcized they may not necessarily contract HIV or STDs but also may find themselves fathers-to-be.

If those classes are teaching that 1 in 6 times a condom is used, it fails, they are wrong by at least a factor of 10x (an order of magnitude.)

But if it's what you just said, 1 in 6 prevention, then what you have is propaganda. "Look, five cases of HIV spread by unprotected intercourse. One case prevented by the use of a condom. Condoms don't work! ... because they aren't used. So don't use condoms!"

I'm trying to be serious. The more I hear about "abstinance-only" the worse it sounds.

Oh, this is awesome! Take that people who go on about the "moral decline of western civilization"!

If those classes are teaching that 1 in 6 times a condom is used, it fails, they are wrong by at least a factor of 10x (an order of magnitude.)

But if it's what you just said, 1 in 6 prevention, then what you have is propaganda. "Look, five cases of HIV spread by unprotected intercourse. One case prevented by the use of a condom. Condoms don't work! ... because they aren't used. So don't use condoms!"

I'm trying to be serious. The more I hear about "abstinance-only" the worse it sounds.

IT said one out of 6 times condoms were used.... or something like that... I saw that video about 6 months ago...

The same video also said that dating started when teens had access to cars. :rolleyes:

Hell, you can get HIV even if you have been/continue to practice abstinance, it can happen when you're sharing needles. That's a bit off topic, but abstinance itself isn't 100% effective at preventing the spread of STD's since they can be spread through other means.

Wait. They put millions into abstinence classes? What exactly would you do in an abstinence class? Tell people not to have sex? Warn people of the lovely side effects of STDs? I'm a Christian, and even I see that it's a waste of money. Definitely give them more sex ed classes. At least then they'll possibly be a little 'safer'. And a little wiser.

Hell, you can get HIV even if you have been/continue to practice abstinance, it can happen when you're sharing needles. That's a bit off topic, but abstinance itself isn't 100% effective at preventing the spread of STD's since they can be spread through other means.

Yeah... and note that there was no mention of birth control pills, depro-vera shots, IUDs, cervical caps, dental dams, etc... only condoms. :rolleyes:

Wait. They put millions into abstinence classes? What exactly would you do in an abstinence class? Tell people not to have sex? Warn people of the lovely side effects of STDs? I'm a Christian, and even I see that it's a waste of money. Definitely give them more sex ed classes. At least then they'll possibly be a little 'safer'. And a little wiser.

Exactly. I have no problem with abstinence being taught, but if it's all that's being taught without other options (not to mention in an extremely partonizing way) then to hell with it.

Exactly. I have no problem with abstinence being taught, but if it's all that's being taught without other options (not to mention in an extremely partonizing way) then to hell with it.

Yeah, I think the way the teach it here is better. It's taught as a unit of our class called "Life Management Skills", which also teaches about nutrition and drugs. In the sex ed portion, they taught us that abstinence is the most effective, but they taught about condoms and birth control and stuff like that, too.

Yeah, I think the way the teach it here is better. It's taught as a unit of our class called "Life Management Skills", which also teaches about nutrition and drugs. In the sex ed portion, they taught us that abstinence is the most effective, but they taught about condoms and birth control and stuff like that, too.

Please, please tell me it's taught to you by a teacher. Who answers questions and admits when some part of the coursework doesn't make sense ...?

As opposed to a video.

Please, please tell me it's taught to you by a teacher. Who answers questions and admits when some part of the coursework doesn't make sense ...?

As opposed to a video.

Yes. It was taught by a teacher, and she was a pretty good teacher, too. As long as the questions weren't personal questions about her, she would answer them. There was also a box that we could drop anonymous questions into, in case we were too embarassed to ask a question out loud in front of the whole class.

There was also a box that we could drop anonymous questions into, in case we were too embarassed to ask a question out loud in front of the whole class.
I just want to go on record as saying that the annonymous sex question box is a FANTASTIC idea. They had something like that in my 5th grade health class, and it let people ask questions they never could have worked up the courage to ask in person.

I still remember a lot of the questions that our teacher answered. She was awesome and did not get flustered or shy away from any of the questions. For instance, one kid asked whether a boy can pee inside a girl while they are having sex. I wasn't the one who wrote that down, but it was something I was curious (and concerned) about, and I later found out that most of my female classmates had been wondering about that ever since we learned that sperm comes out the same hole as pee does.

Another question was how big the vagina is on the inside. I can't tell you the number of times I have encountered grown adults, as old or older than myself, who actually don't know the answer to this! I've found out that most adults in my country aren't aware that the vagina changes size during arousal in much the same way that the penis does...most people seem to think the penis gets bigger but the vagina is passive and static.

So hooray for annonymous sex questions!!

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I just want to go on record as saying that the annonymous sex question box is a FANTASTIC idea. They had something like that in my 5th grade health class, and it let people ask questions they never could have worked up the courage to ask in person.

I still remember a lot of the questions that our teacher answered. She was awesome and did not get flustered or shy away from any of the questions. For instance, one kid asked whether a boy can pee inside a girl while they are having sex. I wasn't the one who wrote that down, but it was something I was curious (and concerned) about, and I later found out that most of my female classmates had been wondering about that ever since we learned that sperm comes out the same hole as pee does.

Another question was how big the vagina is on the inside. I can't tell you the number of times I have encountered grown adults, as old or older than myself, who actually don't know the answer to this! I've found out that most adults in my country aren't aware that the vagina changes size during arousal in much the same way that the penis does...most people seem to think the penis gets bigger but the vagina is passive and static.

So hooray for annonymous sex questions!!

Yes, I think it's a great idea, too.:) I remember that she answered that first question as part of the lesson. (But that was in my 9th grade class; we didn't know about sperm in 5th grade, as that was just about periods for girls and was just a one-day lesson and I don't know what they taught the guys then.)

Yes, I think it's a great idea, too.:) I remember that she answered that first question as part of the lesson. (But that was in my 9th grade class; we didn't know about sperm in 5th grade, as that was just about periods for girls and was just a one-day lesson and I don't know what they taught the guys then.)
They split our classes into boys and girls during 4th grade health class, but then they realized that we all just got together at recess and compared notes anyhow.

The boys were pretty jealous, because they just had to watch a movie about wet dreams (which didn't really tell them anything they didn't already know), while the girls got to see pictures of their reproductive organs and learn about how babies develop.

Also, my male friends were very impressed with the ick factor of the female period. "You mean you're gonna have blood coming out for like, days?! Wow, that's so gross!!!" "Do you think it will shoot out, or ooze out?" "Guys, c'mere, you gotta hear this! The girls are gonna fill up with BLOOD and then shoot it out all over the place!!"

They split our classes into boys and girls during 4th grade health class, but then they realized that we all just got together at recess and compared notes anyhow.

The boys were pretty jealous, because they just had to watch a movie about wet dreams (which didn't really tell them anything they didn't already know), while the girls got to see pictures of their reproductive organs and learn about how babies develop.

Also, my male friends were very impressed with the ick factor of the female period. "You mean you're gonna have blood coming out for like, days?! Wow, that's so gross!!!" "Do you think it will shoot out, or ooze out?" "Guys, c'mere, you gotta hear this! The girls are gonna fill up with BLOOD and then shoot it out all over the place!!"

That's pretty funny.:)

We didn't get to see anything about the reproductive system until 6th grade, when boys and girls were in the same class. It was a unit of P.E.

Of course, it still didn't even occur to me until much later that it was physically possible for unmarried people to have sex, mostly because it didn't occur to me that there was anything physical involved. I thought that sex meant "two married people just sleeping in the same bed naked", because that was the way my parents had defined it, and then I heard about people who weren't married being pregnant and got confused. (It's a sort of interesting story; I asked them because I had read about the reproductive habits of squids and wanted to know if there was a similar process for humans- I'm pretty sure I worded it sort of like that.) They never really disspelled that belief in 6th grade, they just told us what the parts were, and I guess they expected us to just know by 9th grade.

That's pretty funny.:)

We didn't get to see anything about the reproductive system until 6th grade, when boys and girls were in the same class. It was a unit of P.E.

Hehehehehehe. Forgive me, but it's really funny to think of sexual reproduction being taught in a Physical Education class.


Of course, it still didn't even occur to me until much later that it was physically possible for unmarried people to have sex, mostly because it didn't occur to me that there was anything physical involved. I thought that sex meant "two married people just sleeping in the same bed naked", because that was the way my parents had defined it, and then I heard about people who weren't married being pregnant and got confused. (It's a sort of interesting story; I asked them because I had read about the reproductive habits of squids and wanted to know if there was a similar process for humans- I'm pretty sure I worded it sort of like that.)

Wait, your PARENTS defined sex that way?!

Wow. My parents read Where Did I Come From to me when I was still a toddler! When my mom was pregnant with my little brother, I corrected relatives who talked about the baby "in Mommy's tummy," by telling them that it was actually in her uterus.

I don't mean any insult to your family, but it boggles my mind that there are parents who don't talk to their kids about sex at all.


They never really disspelled that belief in 6th grade, they just told us what the parts were, and I guess they expected us to just know by 9th grade.
Can you imagine if we took that attitude toward any other subject?

Like, say, driver's ed. You get one class where they teach you the names of the parts in a car, and one where you watch a short film on the dangers of driving (young people who drive will DIE in fiery car wrecks!!!), and then they give you a license and send you on your way.

Yes, I think it's a great idea, too.:) I remember that she answered that first question as part of the lesson. (But that was in my 9th grade class; we didn't know about sperm in 5th grade, as that was just about periods for girls and was just a one-day lesson and I don't know what they taught the guys then.)

I think they probably talked about cars for the whole lesson. At least if they had a male teacher they would.

"Today we are going to talk about sex and reproduction. Of course, no-one is very worried about that, and we all know that you can't get a date until you've got wheels. Speaking of wheels, did any of you see that ad for the new ..." etc.

It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it ;)

What I find odd is that somehow, it's always a good thing if a majority of people do something.

Well, the majority of the people on the Titanic didn't get into a lifeboat. Hmm. Good plan, there. Most of them didn't even think the ship would sink, until it really started to go.

IIRC, Newsweek magazine did a poll in the early 1980s, asking people's opinions about the SALT II Treaty. Three quarters were "against" the treaty's provisions.

An additional question showed that 80 percent had no idea what the treaty's provisions were.

Yes, everyone knows what sex is (I hope), and the majority of people for some time have had premarital sex on a regular basis.

But thinking back to Bottle's comments in another thread, is it really a good idea for us all to wander around having casual sex in this day of virii?

Premarital sex, yes. Rampant random copulation with anyone we meet on Friday night?

Hehehehehehe. Forgive me, but it's really funny to think of sexual reproduction being taught in a Physical Education class.

I guess that is funny.:) Come to think of it, that Life Management Skills course I mentioned is actually a graduation requirement under the category of physical eductation.


Wait, your PARENTS defined sex that way?!

Wow. My parents read Where Did I Come From to me when I was still a toddler! When my mom was pregnant with my little brother, I corrected relatives who talked about the baby "in Mommy's tummy," by telling them that it was actually in her uterus.

I don't mean any insult to your family, but it boggles my mind that there are parents who don't talk to their kids about sex at all.


Yeah, they did when I was in maybe 4th grade. It made me really confused, because I didn't know what to think of it when I heard about people being pregnant without being married. I think I just kind of tried to ignore it for a while.


Can you imagine if we took that attitude toward any other subject?

Like, say, driver's ed. You get one class where they teach you the names of the parts in a car, and one where you watch a short film on the dangers of driving (young people who drive will DIE in fiery car wrecks!!!), and then they give you a license and send you on your way.

That would be really bad.:( Although driver's ed isn't really offered at my school, except as a summer course.

What I find odd is that somehow, it's always a good thing if a majority of people do something.

Well, the majority of the people on the Titanic didn't get into a lifeboat. Hmm. Good plan, there. Most of them didn't even think the ship would sink, until it really started to go.

IIRC, Newsweek magazine did a poll in the early 1980s, asking people's opinions about the SALT II Treaty. Three quarters were "against" the treaty's provisions.

An additional question showed that 80 percent had no idea what the treaty's provisions were.

Yes, everyone knows what sex is (I hope), and the majority of people for some time have had premarital sex on a regular basis.

But thinking back to Bottle's comments in another thread, is it really a good idea for us all to wander around having casual sex in this day of virii?

Premarital sex, yes. Rampant random copulation with anyone we meet on Friday night?

You're an old bugger, aren't you? No offence intended, I'm an old bugger myself. I just recognize that technique of covering a bit of ground, sniffing it out, raising a hind leg but not actually peeing on the issue.

In quite a few words, you've made it clear that you want the "abstinance" side in a debate about abstinence vs promiscuity. You haven't come right out and said so, because that would be off-topic. Whether preventative measures for STDs or preganancy encourage promiscuity would be bang on-topic.

I'm posting this without checking posts which may have happened while I composed it. I trust Bottle won't take the bait. My bait was good, and she didn't take that.

You're an old bugger, aren't you? No offence intended, I'm an old bugger myself. I just recognize that technique of covering a bit of ground, sniffing it out, raising a hind leg but not actually peeing on the issue.

In quite a few words, you've made it clear that you want the "abstinance" side in a debate about abstinence vs promiscuity. You haven't come right out and said so, because that would be off-topic. Whether preventative measures for STDs or preganancy encourage promiscuity would be bang on-topic.

I'm posting this without checking posts which may have happened while I composed it. I trust Bottle won't take the bait. My bait was good, and she didn't take that.

Bottle said yesterday that promiscuity wasn't a good idea, and I didn't have to put out any bait.

Wait, your PARENTS defined sex that way?!

Wow. My parents read Where Did I Come From to me when I was still a toddler! When my mom was pregnant with my little brother, I corrected relatives who talked about the baby "in Mommy's tummy," by telling them that it was actually in her uterus.

I don't mean any insult to your family, but it boggles my mind that there are parents who don't talk to their kids about sex at all.


I think some parents just aren't very good at figuring out how to deal with the topic, and don't realize the problems not discussing it could cause. Heck, my mother is a biology professor. She deals with sexual reproduction on a daily basis, and she was too terrified to talk to my brother and me about sex. On the one or two occasions I tried to bring up questions on the subject, my parents kind of freaked out - and as a consequence, I grew up believing that sexuality was something dirty and wrong that people should never, ever talk about. I don't believe that this was in any way my parents' intent - they just wanted to avoid something uncomfortable for them, and didn't stop and think what message their avoidance was sending to me.

Bottle said yesterday that promiscuity wasn't a good idea, and I didn't have to put out any bait.

So I bit on it, but it wasn't bait? Bugger!

EDIT: Poliwanacracka's previous post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12118055&postcount=199) is far more substantual than this. Carry on.

Kids in my school debate this all of the time, you can't just say 'don't have sex' it happens, we all know what it is, who is doing it, who is having a kid...we've thought about sex-ed classes and all that...talking does nothing, really. We learn more from our friends then we do from teachers or adults. Seriously, just put condoms in the nurses office and be done with it.

Bottle said yesterday that promiscuity wasn't a good idea, and I didn't have to put out any bait.
Hmm, not exactly.

Bottle said that careless sex isn't a good idea. Bottle said that it's probably not very safe to hook up with a person you've just met. Bottle said that it's probably best not to be going home with every random yahoo you meet at the pub or at a party.

But none of that rules out promiscuity. By most people's standards I have been promiscuous through much of my life. I've had enough partners that many people would say I'm a "slut." (Though, of course, there are people who'd call me a slut for having been with more than two people in my lifetime...)

Being promiscuous does not mean being unsafe. I've actually been more careful with my sexual activities than just about anybody I know, and that includes two people I know who were virgins when they got married.

I think one of the worst messages I ever got as a teen was the message that promiscuity = unsafe sex and unsafe sex = promiscuity. A lot of teens think they are safe because they're being faithful to one partner, even though they aren't having safe sex at all! They think they're following The Rules and that will protect them. It's not true, sadly, and it ends up getting a lot of people hurt.

Or we do what Dave Chapelle suggested. Have the prinical of a school and the oldest teacher in the school have sex on stage in front of the entire student body, covered in mayonaisse. That would be far more effective than the current system.

Hmm, not exactly.

Bottle said that careless sex isn't a good idea. Bottle said that it's probably not very safe to hook up with a person you've just met. Bottle said that it's probably best not to be going home with every random yahoo you meet at the pub or at a party.

But none of that rules out promiscuity. By most people's standards I have been promiscuous through much of my life. I've had enough partners that many people would say I'm a "slut." (Though, of course, there are people who'd call me a slut for having been with more than two people in my lifetime...)

Being promiscuous does not mean being unsafe. I've actually been more careful with my sexual activities than just about anybody I know, and that includes two people I know who were virgins when they got married.

I think one of the worst messages I ever got as a teen was the message that promiscuity = unsafe sex and unsafe sex = promiscuity. A lot of teens think they are safe because they're being faithful to one partner, even though they aren't having safe sex at all! They think they're following The Rules and that will protect them. It's not true, sadly, and it ends up getting a lot of people hurt.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that Eve Online would take something another said and twist it into the opposite. ;)

Wonder what those god-awful abstinence classes will have to say about his one! Muahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Linky (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16287113/?GT1=8816)

Seems as though everyday I find a new internet article that proves these classes wrong. Well, it's official. I, a 14 year old virgin, know more about sex than the anti-sex ed teachers.



Nice try, but you fail. Those "Studies" are done on less than 1% of americans, so keep grasping at straws, you'll find something someday. Call me when you find a poll done of atleast 75% of americans.

Nice try, but you fail. Those "Studies" are done on less than 1% of americans, so keep grasping at straws, you'll find something someday. Call me when you find a poll done of atleast 75% of americans.Uh oh... I forsee another statistics lesson.

Uh oh... I forsee another statistics lesson.


I doubt it. Far to many people are not included in these things to make them believable. I am a hard sell on everything, polls are crap that can be made to say whatever you want, 95% of people know that.

Uh oh... I forsee another statistics lesson.

He won't get it from me--I'm tired of teaching the ignorant and uninformed of something so basic.

He won't get it from me--I'm tired of teaching the ignorant and uninformed of something so basic.


Thanks for the flame, you proved that you can't prove me wrong so you attack like a ignorant jackass. Good job, keep it going.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the flame, you proved that you can't prove me wrong so you attack like a ignorant jackass. Good job, keep it going.:rolleyes:No, he's just remembering a thread a while back where a bunch of us spent pages trying to convince King Bodacious that only polling 1% of the total group was not an argument against a poll so long as the sample size was still of a statistically significant size and the sample was representative. The argument we were countered with was "I don't like the results, so they must be wrong."

You are wrong, and if you want to know why, search for the thread.

Thanks for the flame, you proved that you can't prove me wrong so you attack like a ignorant jackass. Good job, keep it going.:rolleyes:
When you've read the basics on statistics, then come back and apologize.

No, he's just remembering a thread a while back where a bunch of us spent pages trying to convince King Bodacious that only polling 1% of the total group was not an argument against a poll so long as the sample size was still of a statistically significant size and the sample was representative. The argument we were countered with was "I don't like the results, so they must be wrong."

You are wrong, and if you want to know why, search for the thread.



Sorry I am not. I reject all polls, no matter which way they go. What is a significant size to you? 1,000, 2,000? For me it would be 100 million, because polling less than 1% of the people and calling it significant is just silly. Poll 10,000 people and you will get 1 outcome, poll another 10k and it will change a lot, like how polls had Kerry ahead of Bush....Polls are crap used to brainwash people of all sides, I don't follow polls no matter what they say.


Don't get pissed because some of us are smart enough not to be lead by polls taken by .5% of the people. King Bodacious seems like he was right. Sorry, you fail and the only reason you say this is because it support you, if it didn't you would be the first to trash it. Nice try.

Sorry I am not. I reject all polls, no matter which way they go. What is a significant size to you? 1,000, 2,000? For me it would be 100 million, because polling less than 1% of the people and calling it significant is just silly. Poll 10,000 people and you will get 1 outcome, poll another 10k and it will change a lot, like how polls had Kerry ahead of Bush....Polls are crap used to brainwash people of all sides, I don't follow polls no matter what they say.


Don't get pissed because some of us are smart enough not to be lead by polls taken by .5% of the people. King Bodacious seems like he was right. Sorry, you fail and the only reason you say this is because it support you, if it didn't you would be the first to trash it. Nice try.

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When you've read the basics on statistics, then come back and apologize.



:rolleyes:


Go away now. Ok? When you find a poll done by a large number come back and show it to me, and no I don't mean less than 1% again. I don't buy polls and laugh when I see them. I won't base my opinions on a poll taken by a small number of people.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


Go away little troll, go away.:rolleyes:

Go away little troll, go away.:rolleyes:
Truth stings, doesn't it? Even when you don't accept it, it stings.

Sorry I am not. I reject all polls, no matter which way they go. What is a significant size to you? 1,000, 2,000? For me it would be 100 million, because polling less than 1% of the people and calling it significant is just silly. Poll 10,000 people and you will get 1 outcome, poll another 10k and it will change a lot, like how polls had Kerry ahead of Bush....Polls are crap used to brainwash people of all sides, I don't follow polls no matter what they say.Yes, they can, but that has precious little to do with the size. If everything is done correctly, the results between 1000 and 10,000 are the same.
Don't get pissed because some of us are smart enough not to be lead by polls taken by .5% of the people. King Bodacious seems like he was right. Sorry, you fail and the only reason you say this is because it support you, if it didn't you would be the first to trash it. Nice try.Oh, King Bodacious was pretty darn wrong. Katganistan did a wonderful post at the end where she summarized how the discussion had gone, and it made him look like an idiot.

Yes, they can, but that has precious little to do with the size. If everything is done correctly, the results between 1000 and 10,000 are the same.

But the results between 1,000 and 2 million are not. The size is just to small, it may or may not be correct. I just won't base what I think on them. I would say the same if it was in my favor. Which you don't know what that would be, because I never gave my thoughts on the subject now did I?


Oh, King Bodacious was pretty darn wrong. Katganistan did a wonderful post at the end where she summarized how the discussion had gone, and it made him look like an idiot.


Dunno, I didn't see what the discussion was about.


I like you better than that troll the nazz, you know how to talk with people and not flame. Good work.

But the results between 1,000 and 2 million are not. Wrong.

Wrong.



What? You are saying I could poll 1,000 people and 2 million and the numbers would be the same? There is a large difference there, If 90% of the 1,000 say no to something and then you poll another 1.999 million and then 90% of them say yes...what would happen? You could test that now, do a poll here and the same poll at a religious site and see what happens.

What? You are saying I could poll 1,000 people and 2 million and the numbers would be the same? There is a large difference there, If 90% of the 1,000 say no to something and then you poll another 1.999 million and then 90% of them say yes...what would happen? You could test that now, do a poll here and the same poll at a religious site and see what happens.Read what I wrote.

Read what I wrote.



I did and I don't agree with you. Did you not notice in this "survey" almost 87% of the people polled were women? *cough*

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

No: The New American Way (Amwa)

DEBT IS WEALTH
SLAVERY IS FREEDOM
STUPID IS GENIUS

Sorry I am not. I reject all polls, no matter which way they go. What is a significant size to you? 1,000, 2,000? For me it would be 100 million, because polling less than 1% of the people and calling it significant is just silly. Poll 10,000 people and you will get 1 outcome, poll another 10k and it will change a lot, like how polls had Kerry ahead of Bush....Polls are crap used to brainwash people of all sides, I don't follow polls no matter what they say.


Don't get pissed because some of us are smart enough not to be lead by polls taken by .5% of the people. King Bodacious seems like he was right. Sorry, you fail and the only reason you say this is because it support you, if it didn't you would be the first to trash it. Nice try.

Well next time you get your blood tested tell the doctor that one needle full is not enough and they should take 75% of it.

No: The New American Way (Amwa)

DEBT IS WEALTH
SLAVERY IS FREEDOM
STUPID IS GENIUS
HUNGER IS LOW FOOD SECURITY

:D

Sorry I am not. I reject all polls, no matter which way they go. What is a significant size to you? 1,000, 2,000? For me it would be 100 million, because polling less than 1% of the people and calling it significant is just silly. Poll 10,000 people and you will get 1 outcome, poll another 10k and it will change a lot, like how polls had Kerry ahead of Bush....Polls are crap used to brainwash people of all sides, I don't follow polls no matter what they say.

Statistical significance is not a matter of subjective opinion. It is a mathematical concept.


Don't get pissed because some of us are smart enough not to be lead by polls taken by .5% of the people. King Bodacious seems like he was right. Sorry, you fail and the only reason you say this is because it support you, if it didn't you would be the first to trash it. Nice try.
Out of curiosity, and without any judgment implied, I would like to know:

Have you ever taken a class in statistics?

Well next time you get your blood tested tell the doctor that one needle full is not enough and they should take 75% of it.
Winner.

But the results between 1,000 and 2 million are not. The size is just to small, it may or may not be correct. I just won't base what I think on them. I would say the same if it was in my favor. Which you don't know what that would be, because I never gave my thoughts on the subject now did I?


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You fail at statistics

Statistical significance is not a matter of subjective opinion. It is a mathematical concept.


Out of curiosity, and without any judgment implied, I would like to know:

Have you ever taken a class in statistics?

Not a chance that is intro level stuff

You learn sample size, Confidence intervals, and Confidence Limits the first week of any intro stats course I have ever taken

:rolleyes:


Go away now. Ok? When you find a poll done by a large number come back and show it to me, and no I don't mean less than 1% again. I don't buy polls and laugh when I see them. I won't base my opinions on a poll taken by a small number of people.

A representative poll with a smaller but random sample is better than a very large poll that is not representative. A large representative poll is best, but if the poll is a random sample it'll still be representative even if the numbers are small.


(I might be wrong on some of this. I haven't taken a statistics course yet, but this is just what I've learned in AP Psychology.)

I did and I don't agree with you. Did you not notice in this "survey" almost 87% of the people polled were women? *cough*

Then your problem is in statistical bias not sample size ... fail again

A representative poll with a smaller but random sample is better than a very large poll that is not representative. A large representative poll is best, but if the poll is a random sample it'll still be representative even if the numbers are small.


(I might be wrong on some of this. I haven't taken a statistics course yet, but this is just what I've learned in AP Psychology.)

Even with a thousand people you are looking at a 5 percent margin of error projecting to the population of the US (Assuming random sampling)

Now if there is sampling bias that would make it a non representative poll ... but then that is not a sample size issue but a sampling issue

Even with a thousand people you are looking at a 5 percent margin of error projecting to the population of the US (Assuming random sampling)

Now if there is sampling bias that would make it a non representative poll ... but then that is not a sample size issue but a sampling issue

Ok. That's kind of what I thought.

:rolleyes:


Go away now. Ok? When you find a poll done by a large number come back and show it to me, and no I don't mean less than 1% again. I don't buy polls and laugh when I see them. I won't base my opinions on a poll taken by a small number of people.

"Large" in a population survey is anything that gives you less then 5 percent error though always has to be larger then 40 otherwise you have to use bias or small sample curves when fitting your data .. can be done but not easily

You really want to learn
http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

That is a basic calculator that you do not have to know theory
(Looking for a CI of 5 hint) and the population of the usa is roughly 300 mil

Calculating it you would only have to have a sample of 384 people to be accurate within 5 percent

Ok. That's kind of what I thought.

I got a minor in stats :) computer networking is technically a stats degree so it was only like one more class

If I took THREE more now after getting my masters I would have a Bachelors in Stats too ...

I got a minor in stats :) computer networking is technically a stats degree so it was only like one more class

If I took THREE more now after getting my masters I would have a Bachelors in Stats too ...

Cool.:) I'm considering taking AP Stats next year.

"Large" in a population survey is anything that gives you less then 5 percent error though always has to be larger then 40 otherwise you have to use bias or small sample curves when fitting your data .. can be done but not easily

You really want to learn
http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

That is a basic calculator that you do not have to know theory
(Looking for a CI of 5 hint) and the population of the usa is roughly 300 mil

Calculating it you would only have to have a sample of 384 people to be accurate within 5 percent

You need a sample size of 666 to get 99% certainty. The ebil liberal sluts are messing with the statistics! :eek:

Looks like those anti-sex ed teachers need to take statitics classes too. :rolleyes:

Cool.:) I'm considering taking AP Stats next year.

I find it useful ... sometimes lol

I hate people that think abstinence or virginity is good for anything other than avoiding the cost of an abortion or getting an STD.