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I found this article on Fox News about Joy Behar's many comments on The View. One of the things I read that came off to me as racist.

"A little faux pas," according to comedian Joy Behar, speaking Tuesday about her stunning comparison a day earlier on ABC's gabfest, "The View."

"I don't think that Rumsfeld is an evil person, in his heart," Behar told the show's audience Tuesday, appearing to take a small step back from her controversial off-the-cuff remarks.

"I just think he did some terrible things in this war," she explained.

Behar's attempt to defuse the mini-firestorm came a day after the show's discussion of Time magazine's "Person of the Year" selection.

"You have to put, like, a Hitler type [on the cover]," Behar said in response to a question about whether the publication's selection of "You" was appropriate.

"Like, you put Donald Rumsfeld there, or something," she said.

The show's audience — even show diva Rosie O'Donnell — appeared shocked by the comment, and as many began to jeer, Behar feigned surprise, yelling back, "What's wrong with that?"

Behar and "The View" are no strangers to off-the-cuff controversy.

Last Thursday, in a discussion about Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson’s emergency brain surgery, Behar offered a bizarre conspiracy theory.

“Is there such a thing as a man-made stroke?" she asked. "In other words, did someone do this to him?”

Her co-hosts, including guest host Dari Alexander of FOX News, appeared mystified by the absurd suggestion, but went along with it.

“Maybe they gave him polonium,” Alexander joked, a reference to the ex-KGB spy who was poisoned last month.

But Behar didn't let it go. When asked by 'View' regular Elisabeth Hasselbeck, “Why is everything coming from the liberal perspective a conspiracy?”

Behar answered: “I know what this, that party is capable of.”

Next target, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, whose name was brought up by Alexander during a discussion of possible 2008 presidential candidates.

O'Donnell took the first foul shot in the two-on-none slam of America's top diplomat:

"No, I don't enjoy her," O'Donnell said. "I don't ... No. No. No. I'm not a fan of The Condi. I'm just telling your right now, I don't enjoy The Condi ... and I'm not going to apologize."

Bounce pass to Behar: "We don't know whether she's under his thumb or not, though. We don't know... I don't know where she's really at. I can't tell."

Back to Rosie: "I would love to have dinner with her alone one night, and force her to drink at least two glasses of wine and then I'll let you know if I like her."

Jump shot, Joy: "But, you know what, she's already drunk the Kool-Aid."

Slam, Rosie: "Well, that's a scary thing."

I now know the reference to this is from Jonestown. That being said, I have never heard of or read Jonestown prior to reading this article and I have known the whole Kool Aid comment she made as being a derogatory phrase against blacks.

The fact it was made at Condi Rice only furthered my thinking that it was a offhanded possibly racial comment. Now the question is, if you have never read Jonestown or heard of it, would this quote be offensive to you knowing it was made against Condi Rice or any other black person for that matter?

there were whites at jonestown. It was never a racist comment as much as a description of somone for whom salvation was too late. ie, the poison was in them.

I learned about Jonestown in Jr. High. No, not a racist comment. (Maybe a little dated?) It was one of the major events of the 20th century.

I think it was also an allusion to brainwashing.

It was a stupid remark. Actually, all of those quotes are terribly stupid. I guess it means if you have a low IQ, you can be a daytime talk show host.

I know this now. But I am talking about judging the comment without using the references to Jonestown.

I think it was also an allusion to brainwashing.

That's how I saw it. On some of the more partisan US political sites they often describe the other side as "drinking the Kool Aid" when they repeat talking points (which is about all those sites ever are).

I know this now. But I am talking about judging the comment without using the references to Jonestown.

But it is a reference to Jonestown. Anything can be taken out of context, it doesn't make it racist.

Racist? No.

Stupid? Certainly.

But, who really cares what a gaggle of cackling hens say, anyway?

I now know the reference to this is from Jonestown. That being said, I have never heard of or read Jonestown prior to reading this article and I have known the whole Kool Aid comment she made as being a derogatory phrase against blacks.

Against blacks?

Where do you get that from?

"Drinking the kool-aide" means to follow a leader blindly, even if it means one's death.

Nothing to do with race.

Now the question is, if you have never read Jonestown or heard of it, would this quote be offensive to you knowing it was made against Condi Rice or any other black person for that matter?

Not in the least.

How dare she put down Condi Rice? Doesn't she know Condi is fighting for us?


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I live in the UK and we (as far as I know) don't have kool-aid. All I know is that it's a soft drink advertised by a giant jug and that members of a cult used it to commit mass suicide (presumably they put poison in it first). So I've got to ask, what's it got to do with black ppl?

I found this article on Fox News about Joy Behar's many comments on The View. One of the things I read that came off to me as racist.



I now know the reference to this is from Jonestown. That being said, I have never heard of or read Jonestown prior to reading this article and I have known the whole Kool Aid comment she made as being a derogatory phrase against blacks.

The fact it was made at Condi Rice only furthered my thinking that it was a offhanded possibly racial comment. Now the question is, if you have never read Jonestown or heard of it, would this quote be offensive to you knowing it was made against Condi Rice or any other black person for that matter?

How the heck is Kool-Aid racist? :confused:

And, further, why would you ask us to divorce the remark from its obvious meaning? Comparing the Bush administration to a cult rather obviously has nothing to do with Ms. Rice's race.

I live in the UK and we (as far as I know) don't have kool-aid. All I know is that it's a soft drink advertised by a giant jug and that members of a cult used it to commit mass suicide (presumably they put poison in it first). So I've got to ask, what's it got to do with black ppl?

Actually it wasn't even used at Jonestown. They used Flavor Aid, a cheap cool aid knock-off.

I live in the UK and we (as far as I know) don't have kool-aid. All I know is that it's a soft drink advertised by a giant jug and that members of a cult used it to commit mass suicide (presumably they put poison in it first). So I've got to ask, what's it got to do with black ppl?

Nah, that's the secret ingedient.

This show sucks, and the women on it are about as witty and insightful as they are physically attractive. But I can't really see how this could be construed as racist. I got the Jonestown reference pretty easily - I learned about it in high school.

What The View is guilty of is playing a major role in the general dumbening of this country. Yes, I am aware that dumbening is not a word.

Against blacks?

Where do you get that from?

I have always heard that the phrase was always a derogatory phrase against blacks. Here, maybe this will help with why I thought the way I did...

Koolaid:A popular drink of all black people; see grape soda/fried chicken

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Drinking+Kool+Aid&page=2

That's how I've heard the phrase used and that is why I thought her comments were offensive. The Jonestown reference never occured to me...

My mother stopped watching the View because of this witch's comments. She should keep her big trap shut.

That's how I saw it. On some of the more partisan US political sites they often describe the other side as "drinking the Kool Aid" when they repeat talking points (which is about all those sites ever are).

You're taking it froma perspective of "boy those blacks sure love their friend chicken, watermellon, and kool-aid." Do you honestly think this is the way she meant it? Or is it more plausible to retreat to the position that she was making a reference to Mr. Jones? Drinking the kool-aid is a term meant to be derogetory and imply that you have no original thought and have been sucked in to the point that you are a drone. I find nothing racist about what she said. She's not making her points very well and needs to articulate better, but she's not racist.

Drinking the Kool-Aid? Not racist.

Drinking the Grape Soda or the Malt Liquor? Racist.

I now know the reference to this is from Jonestown. That being said, I have never heard of or read Jonestown prior to reading this article and I have known the whole Kool Aid comment she made as being a derogatory phrase against blacks.

The fact it was made at Condi Rice only furthered my thinking that it was a offhanded possibly racial comment. Now the question is, if you have never read Jonestown or heard of it, would this quote be offensive to you knowing it was made against Condi Rice or any other black person for that matter?


how would it be racist if it werent in fact a reference to jonestown?

You're taking it froma perspective of "boy those blacks sure love their friend chicken, watermellon, and kool-aid." Do you honestly think this is the way she meant it?

Actually yes. That's what I thought she was saying. :confused:

I have always heard that the phrase was always a derogatory phrase against blacks. Here, maybe this will help with why I thought the way I did...



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Drinking+Kool+Aid&page=2

That's how I've heard the phrase used and that is why I thought her comments were offensive. The Jonestown reference never occured to me...

Well, then, the appropriate comment is, then, that urbandictionary is racist.

Do they say anything about watermelon?

Drinking the Kool-Aid? Not racist.

Drinking the Grape Soda or the Malt Liquor? Racist.

I'm taking back Malt Liquor!
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"boy those blacks sure love their friend chicken, watermellon, and kool-aid."

:confused: is that a stereotype of black people in the US? Where on earth does that come from? Why those foodstuffs in particular?

You're taking it froma perspective of "boy those blacks sure love their friend chicken, watermellon, and kool-aid." Do you honestly think this is the way she meant it? Or is it more plausible to retreat to the position that she was making a reference to Mr. Jones? Drinking the kool-aid is a term meant to be derogetory and imply that you have no original thought and have been sucked in to the point that you are a drone. I find nothing racist about what she said. She's not making her points very well and needs to articulate better, but she's not racist.

I'm not sure why you quoted me, because that's not what I said at all. I'll assume you meant to quote someone else.

is that a stereotype of black people in the US? Where on earth does that come from? Why those foodstuffs in particular?

Strangely enough it is. I know where the fried chicken comes from. Frying chicken was made popular in the South by blacks during the slavery times of the 19th century. Hence the stereotype. idk where the other stereotypes come from...

Shiyit 4 up, 4 down

Slang ****** version for the word shit.

Shiyit ****** dont drink my kool aid


evidently someone got in and meeed with the dictionary, eh?

crystal light

white people kool-aid

Person 1: "Do you want a drink? I only have white people kool-aid"
Person 2: "I thought kool-aid was white people kool-aid"
Person 1: "Nope, Crystal light is white people kool-aid"

Actually yes. That's what I thought she was saying. :confused:

so you thought that they were saying "id like to get together with condi, get her drunk, and have her tell me the real truth" "on no its too late, shes a ******"

that must have been very confusing for you since it would make absolutely no sense. granted that joy behar is often confusing but that would have been a complete non-sequitor.

Kool-Aid.


A bunch of people were really stupid, following a nutso ruler. What the hell..


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Hesus Chris people.

:confused: is that a stereotype of black people in the US? Where on earth does that come from? Why those foodstuffs in particular?

ive never heard the koolaid part and im 49 years old. i guess i dont travel in the same racist circles as other white people do.

its a rural southern uneducated black stereotype that bugs many black people so much that they will never be seen eating watermelon or fried chicken in public.

its a strange stereotype since everyone loves watermelon and fried chicken.

I've heard references to the idea of "drinking the Kool-Aid" but never as a racial reference. It was always referring to cult or blind mob mentality. The people who still support the Iraq war, insist that Saddam had WMDs and ties to bin laden, and believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11, have been drinking the Kool-Aid. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

And come on now - fried chicken is as much white people food as it is black people food. I'm as white as can be and I make good fried chicken.

I always though fried chicken and watermelon was a southern stereotype not a black [certainly not a black southern] stereotype. I just figured the south had the best fried chicken or it originated in the south.

ive never heard the koolaid part and im 49 years old. i guess i dont travel in the same racist circles as other white people do.

I'd never heard any of it until I went off to the Army. I'd also never heard the term "cracker" used as a derogatory term towards whites. That first year in the Army certainly was an eye opener as to the levels of racism in American society.

I always though fried chicken and watermelon was a southern stereotype not a black [certainly not a black southern] stereotype. I just figured the south had the best fried chicken or it originated in the south.

its a southern stereotype but only a negative one when referring to black people. i think it must go along with those early movie portrayals of black people as dim-witted, slow-talking, step-and-fetchit types.

its a terrible shame since there is nothing better on a hot summer day than sitting around in the shade eating watermelon and spitting out the seeds. its extremely american.