NationStates Jolt Archive

So, if you need to hide from the authorities in the UK, just wear a veil.

They won't bother looking at your face when they put you through a security checkpoint.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2512361,00.html

A Home Office spokesman confirmed yesterday that although immigration control staff had the power to ask people to remove the veil to prove their identity, it is not an automatic policy. The only visual checks at an airport that should always be made in relation to departing pasengers are at check-in and at the boarding gate. In each case, the task is the responsibility of the relevant airline. A BAA Heathrow spokesman said yesterday:

“Immigration control staff always do a visual check on people coming into the country but only random checks are made with outgoing passengers.”

How much would you like to bet that they don't look under veils because they are afraid of offending someone?

It seems like common sense to check under what might very well be a mask, instead of a veil of modesty.

Oh, and here we go with the "random check" concept. Yes, let's be idiots and not check the people who have their faces obscured - unless random chance makes it happen.

Detectives believe that Jama, 26, was allowed to board an international flight from Heathrow because no attempt was made to uncover his face. While British baggage security is among the strictest in the world, the system of identity checks is considered less rigorous than in countries such as France.

Well then. It looks like the French don't have a problem with lifting the veil, at least to check your identity.

Well then. It looks like the French don't have a problem with lifting the veil, at least to check your identity.

The French ban the wearing of veils (and all other religious apparel) in their public schools, so I don't find this very surprising.

Hmm... seems like the typical government attitude all over the world. Hey, they're already in our country - if they want to leave lets do the least amount possible to discourage them.

... You'll notice how they check everyone when they're entering the country. Yep, ve4ry typical human attitude. Not giving a shit if it doesn't affect you.

Hmm... seems like the typical government attitude all over the world. Hey, they're already in our country - if they want to leave lets do the least amount possible to discourage them.

... You'll notice how they check everyone when they're entering the country. Yep, ve4ry typical human attitude. Not giving a shit if it doesn't affect you.

Well that's cool though. Let's say you're a wanted criminal. You can just leave the country for a nation with no extradition treaty by dressing up as a Burquaed Muslim chick. Nobody will check to see who you are as you leave.

So the gunman who killed that WPC almost got out of the country because BA won't check people in case it minorly offends them?I hate this country sometimes.We're so up our own arses about political correctness it's unbelievable.When I went to Cyprus I had my hoodie off and I was holding it in my arms,they immediately took it and searched it,as well as searching me.Yet they won't check veiled women in case it causes a ruckus?
Seriously,what the hell?

So, if you need to hide from the authorities in the UK, just wear a veil.

They won't bother looking at your face when they put you through a security checkpoint.

How much would you like to bet that they don't look under veils because they are afraid of offending someone?

It seems like common sense to check under what might very well be a mask, instead of a veil of modesty.

Oh, and here we go with the "random check" concept. Yes, let's be idiots and not check the people who have their faces obscured - unless random chance makes it happen.

Well then. It looks like the French don't have a problem with lifting the veil, at least to check your identity.

Thats a real negative view of the security in Britain and, personally, I don't understand why you've taken that attitude. The British police and airport security have stopped tons of bad stuff happening to planes in our airspace. Then one thing happens where a suspect in a policewoman murder escapses and suddenly its all over the front cover of the tabloid newspapers. Why doesn't the good stuff they do ever make it to the front page e.g. "MI5 stop terrorist plot". It is unfair to the force. And thats another thing. Why is a police murder more important than an ordinary murder. People in Britain, they're so bloody fickle.

Also, the reason French authorities have no problem lifting the veils of muslim women is because they keep religion and state seperate so they cannot cross over e.g. not allowed to wear christian crosses in school. Personally, I think thats wrong as well but thats a whole different arguement

How do you know they didn't want to offend? Usually any guy dressed like an arab goes through immense security checks, maybe this time they were just lazy.

They have those facial recognition cameras out there. they should just have these supposed women go into a booth and lift their veil for the computer to check for matches. If they dont lift it the computer alerts the gaurds and they check themselves. :confused:

They have those facial recognition cameras out there. they should just have these supposed women go into a booth and lift their veil for the computer to check for matches. If they dont lift it the computer alerts the gaurds and they check themselves. :confused:

Or they could just have a separate room/screen with female guards to check veiled women...

Thats a real negative view of the security in Britain and, personally, I don't understand why you've taken that attitude. The British police and airport security have stopped tons of bad stuff happening to planes in our airspace. Then one thing happens where a suspect in a policewoman murder escapses and suddenly its all over the front cover of the tabloid newspapers. Why doesn't the good stuff they do ever make it to the front page e.g. "MI5 stop terrorist plot". It is unfair to the force. And thats another thing. Why is a police murder more important than an ordinary murder. People in Britain, they're so bloody fickle.

Also, the reason French authorities have no problem lifting the veils of muslim women is because they keep religion and state seperate so they cannot cross over e.g. not allowed to wear christian crosses in school. Personally, I think thats wrong as well but thats a whole different arguement

On a small scale,the police force aren't that good.My aunt had about 40 thugs having what was a cross between a street party and a street fight down her street,so,understandably,she called the police.Because of the Governments pissing budget cuts on the force,it took one squad car 40 minutes to get there-by which time they had all buggered off.My dad had a load of thugs doing drugs on a field next to his house,he called the police-they turned up at 1pm,the next afternoon.It isn't acceptable.It isn't their fault either,the Government keep coming up with these fancy schemes of conglomerating police forces,which means closing smaller police stations;and bu the time they've realised it won't work and halted all the plans,they've downscaled all the small forces and there are less police.(It's the same with the hospitals,they're all going to shit as well.).
OK,yes,so MI5 did stop the terrorist plot.That's fantastic.And it's horrifically unfair they got stick for clogging up the airports.But,in other areas,the British Police are not very good at all.
Also,the French point-I think it's a good thing.Religion should not get mixed up in education.Despite being a Christian,I'm against it,because people should make their own choices about whether they should conform to a religion or not,and stuff like that shouldn't be encouraged.I'm glad they banned the veil and the cross.
However,that's a different argument altogether,and I'll drop it now.

How do you know they didn't want to offend? Usually any guy dressed like an arab goes through immense security checks, maybe this time they were just lazy.

Ah, well, of course anytime someone is not killing, persecuting, threatening to deport or jail a Muslim, it's because of political correctness/liberalism/leftists/terrorist sympathizers!

The French ban the wearing of veils (and all other religious apparel) in their public schools, so I don't find this very surprising.Considering how they handled things in Charles-de-Gaulle Airport when I came here, that doesn't surprise me in the least. We had over an hour delay because they decided to take extra precautions due to the incident in Great Britain involving liquid explosives, searching everyone and every personal baggage again.

Or they could just have a separate room/screen with female guards to check veiled women...

What a waste of money. If muslim women would feel uncomfortable showing a security guard her face then I guess she shouldn't do anything that might require her to do just that. Simple.

Considering how they handled things in Charles-de-Gaulle Airport when I came here, that doesn't surprise me in the least. We had over an hour delay because they decided to take extra precautions due to the incident in Great Britain involving liquid explosives, searching everyone and every personal baggage again.

Worst
Airport
Ever!

IMO

I'll do whatever I can to avoid ever flying into or out of (especially out of) that airport again.

Worst
Airport
Ever!

IMO

I'll do whatever I can to avoid ever flying into or out of (especially out of) that airport again.How so? My experiences at Tri-State were worse.

And thats another thing. Why is a police murder more important than an ordinary murder. People in Britain, they're so bloody fickle.

I got news for ya, buddy. Murdering an official agent of a sovereign government ALWAYS is more important than ordinary murder no matter where you are. The only countries where police-men and -women and soldiers are considered the same as everyone else when it comes to crime are countries where law and order have essentially broken down.

Think about it. If you kill someone standing randomly around on the street, you've committed a crime against that person in particular, and also the rest of the general public indirectly. If you kill a police officer, a highly visible agent of the government, you've struck at the legitimacy of the government.

By The Way: If you want to see people who "REALLY" are fickle, then come to Los Angeles and watch "American Idol." Until you've seen that you don't know what fickle is ;)

How so? My experiences at Tri-State were worse.

extreemly rude and unhelpful staff

finding the airline was no walk in the park, as it usually is at every other airport I've been to

checking luggage never took so long

the security interview during the luggage check was stupider than usual (though I cant remember any examples)

they did a lot of random searches (mostly on dark skinned passengers) right there in front of all the people checking baggage and took their sweet ass time. It seemed that they took especially long as they unpacked the womens underwear portion of the suitcases. The searcher even held some underwear up to the light as if checking for stains (lol). The women that I had seen were all so embarassed as they did this.

My wife was really nervous about them picking us because she had sex toys in her luggage.

I could go on but I dont want to relive it.

ALso, I've never been to Tri-State - where is that?

I get the impression that this is the Conservatives trying to score points. And they didn't 'not check the identity in case they offended someone', as some people here have claimed.

The Home Office says that the claim is likely to be untrue (yeah, they would, but still)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6195581.stm
]The Home Office said the claim was unlikely to be true but immigration officers had the power to ask women to lift veils during identity checks.

Visual checks are carried out on people arriving in the UK but BAA, which owns and operates Heathrow airport, said it was the responsibility of individual airlines to confirm the identity of passengers at check-in and boarding gates.

The Home Office said police and immigration officers carried out checks on those leaving the UK on an "intelligence-led basis".

It's not that the officials don't check people with veils on, Eve Online they do all the time on arrival to the UK veil or not. On the way out they have stopped checking everyone which is a hole sure.


Some newspaper reports have suggested the 26-year-old stole his sister's passport after he was put on police wanted lists and wore a full niqab, a veil that totally obscures the face, to evade capture at the airport.
...
Mr Byrne told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "We don't have exit controls around the clock, around all of our borders; what we do make sure we do is respond immediately to police requests."
He said it was "standard practice" for immigration officers to ask woman to lift their veils.
It's unlikely that this actually happened, as he was on the wanted list at the time, and his sister trying to leave the country would surely catch their attention. Eh, I'll wait and see.

extreemly rude and unhelpful staff

finding the airline was no walk in the park, as it usually is at every other airport I've been to

checking luggage never took so long

the security interview during the luggage check was stupider than usual (though I cant remember any examples)

they did a lot of random searches (mostly on dark skinned passengers) right there in front of all the people checking baggage and took their sweet ass time. It seemed that they took especially long as they unpacked the womens underwear portion of the suitcases. The searcher even held some underwear up to the light as if checking for stains (lol). The women that I had seen were all so embarassed as they did this.

My wife was really nervous about them picking us because she had sex toys in her luggage.

I could go on but I dont want to relive it.Yeah, I did have to ask around to find my flight. Thank goodness I spoke French...

ALso, I've never been to Tri-State - where is that?Near Cincinnatti, OH. The DHS personnel that checked my passport was unreasonably gruff, and when I opened my suitcase after I arrived at the youth hostel I was staying it turned out that they searched it. Now that on its own isn't a problem, but it looked as though they'd been leaving my clothes in the trash because I had to pick bits of leaves and trash from them afterwards.

How much would you like to bet that they don't look under veils because they are afraid of offending someone?
Nothing? What is your obsession with political correctness, and not offending Muslims?