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unless you have your own video player / dvd player / cd player / camera equipment / money to buy lots of books / BITC copy machine

...as the facilities are extremely poor - there's often only 1-3 copies (usually a maximum of 5, but even that's rare) of books available, there is only 1 copy of every journal, none of which can be borrowed, there's 1 BITC machine between at least 3 different courses, 2/3 video players between at least 3 different courses, 1/2 dvd players between 3 different courses, a shortage of camera meaning that even if everyone books early, there will almost certainly not be enough to go around, making assignments very difficult to complete, and hardly any cd players... plus neither the video players, nor the BITC machines, nor the dvd players can be borrowed, plus loads of university computers can not play dvds despite the fact that many people have assignments due, for which they may need to watch dvds, and the university libraries are closing on the 22nd of december until the 2nd of january - and I have an assignment due on the 7th, but I need to watch films before reading books which means if I want until the libraries re-open, I will have less than a week to watch films, select appropriate films, glance through books, find appropriate books, read books more thoroughly, and formulate a 2500 word answer to an essay question!!

To top it off, it seems that accommodation at various salford uni sites ignore complaints and even accuse residents of making stuff up (see http://www.salfordstudents.com - the accommodation section)

:mad: :mad: :mad:

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1. I'm British so therefore would have to buy off the net and don't like doing that

2. I have very little money at the mo (though thank God I do have enough money for food and other necesseties)

3. I shouldn't HAVE to buy my own equipment when this lying university trumpets the supposed "fact" that it has "excellent facilities" - if that's their idea of "excellent" I'd love to know what they class as "slightly below average" - no facilities at all??

1. I'm British so therefore would have to buy off the net and don't like doing that

2. I have very little money at the mo (though thank God I do have enough money for food and other necesseties)

3. I shouldn't HAVE to buy my own equipment when this lying university trumpets the supposed "fact" that it has "excellent facilities" - if that's their idea of "excellent" I'd love to know what they class as "slightly below average" - no facilities at all??

Oh, that's different. If you're in the UK, the government is supposed to provide... oh wait, you have the NEW Labour government, that's right...

Try renting an office in a "upscale" building along Shaftesbury, and see how often the damn lift actually works - how often the power goes out in the building - how the network cabling is rubbish - how the bathrooms reek like the Pit - how the locks don't fucking work.

Sucks for you..

Oh, that's different. If you're in the UK, the government is supposed to provide... oh wait, you have the NEW Labour government, that's right...

Try renting an office in a "upscale" building along Shaftesbury, and see how often the damn lift actually works - how often the power goes out in the building - how the network cabling is rubbish - how the bathrooms reek like the Pit - how the locks don't fucking work.

sheesh that's well bad - is that in some kinda accommodation? I dunno about your country, but here there's laws about accommodation standards

Call me a snob, but I don't think having a shitload of video players would really be enough to push them up from that juicy 65 on The Times university rankings.

sheesh that's well bad - is that in some kinda accommodation? I dunno about your country, but here there's laws about accommodation standards

It's an office building in London. In a very expensive area.

Call me a snob, but I don't think having a shitload of video players would really be enough to push them up from that juicy 65 on The Times university rankings.

It might - with the exception of languages (which I've heard they're crap at teaching), the uni's actually usually good for teaching - the facilities seriously let the place down though

Call me a snob, but I don't think having a shitload of video players would really be enough to push them up from that juicy 65 on The Times university rankings.

Yah. But Loughborough's nomber six on that list, and that's where PE teachers go. So what do they know?

It's an office building in London. In a very expensive area.

Why does nobody complain to the council? By national law (not just talking about bye-laws here), accommodation has to be a reasonable standard, though it'd take too long to go into specifics right now - try having a look at some links on http://www.coolinnit.blogspot.com

Doesn't your PC have a DVD drive? If not a burner can be had for about twenty quid. If you know any computing students they might have an old, spare one kicking around (computer people are like that). If you don't have a PC (!) then a DVD player can be had for about twenty quid in Asda or whatever.
There's nothing wrong with buying online at all. Just remember to check the site uses 128bit SSL, and if you've never heard of them before look them up first.

And as for your point 3, that's why you ('re supposed to) research universities before putting them on your UCAS form ;)

Doesn't your PC have a DVD drive? If not a burner can be had for about twenty quid. If you know any computing students they might have an old, spare one kicking around (computer people are like that). If you don't have a PC (!) then a DVD player can be had for about twenty quid in Asda or whatever.
There's nothing wrong with buying online at all. Just remember to check the site uses 128bit SSL, and if you've never heard of them before look them up first.

And as for your point 3, that's why you ('re supposed to) research universities before putting them on your UCAS form ;)

I did. I just didn't realise the place would be quite so bad - the Open Day takes you around the nicer parts of the campus, and doesn't mention what's available on each computer or how much of each book etc there is

If you've ever been to Salford, you'd never want to go to a university there, regardless of how good or bad the uni is supposed to be.

Let me see now. You are at university - right. This means that you are an adult with some problem solving abilities, not a five year-old that needs to have everything served in bite size pieces.


unless you have your own video player / dvd player / cd player / camera equipment / money to buy lots of books / BITC copy machine

...as the facilities are extremely poor - there's often only 1-3 copies (usually a maximum of 5, but even that's rare) of books available

Usually - but that's rare! Huh? - is it usual that there are five copies or is that a rarity? Make up your mind. 1-3 copies of any book is pretty good. Here the normal at a university is 0. You have to beg, borrow, and photocopy whatever you can get hold of - be it a personal copy belonging to a lecturer, an interlibrary loan, or just parts grabbed from citations in on-line papers. You are in Salford. Go raid Manchester University's library or any one of the hundreds of other academic libraries in a 2 hours coach ride of you .


there is only 1 copy of every journal, none of which can be borrowed

So you have to work in the library. Tough life isn't it - this means paper and pencil - writing by hand, unless you are one of the lucky ones that has a notebook. 75%+ of your study time will be spent in the library if you are doing any reasonable course at uni.

there's 1 BITC machine between at least 3 different courses, 2/3 video players between at least 3 different courses, 1/2 dvd players between 3 different courses, a shortage of camera meaning that even if everyone books early, there will almost certainly not be enough to go around, making assignments very difficult to complete, and hardly any cd players... plus neither the video players, nor the BITC machines, nor the dvd players can be borrowed, plus loads of university computers can not play dvds despite the fact that many people have assignments due, for which they may need to watch dvds
And where do you expect to have a surplus of equipment in real life when you have graduated? You will always be battling equipment shortages, scheduling conflicts and such like logistics problems. Start learning now. That is one of the things that university will teach you - how to resolve the real problems.



the university libraries are closing on the 22nd of december until the 2nd of january - and I have an assignment due on the 7th, but I need to watch films before reading books which means if I want until the libraries re-open, I will have less than a week to watch films, select appropriate films, glance through books, find appropriate books, read books more thoroughly, and formulate a 2500 word answer to an essay question!!


When was this assignment handed out? When was it made public knowledge that the library would close over the Christmas break (I'll hazard a guess - the day the library was inaugurated). Stop whinging like a spoilt child and get the work done.

2,500 words is not much. It is about 8 - 10 pages of A4 line and half spaced font 12 Times new roman text. And it is a really hard life when studying consists of watching films. Don't expect much sympathy from maths, law, medicine, engineering, physics, etc. etc. students.

To top it off, it seems that accommodation at various salford uni sites ignore complaints and even accuse residents of making stuff up (see http://www.salfordstudents.com - the accommodation section)

:mad: :mad: :mad:

How much do they charge for this accommodation? If they are like other british unis then it is pretty good value. If you don't like it - go rent a flat on the private market.

If you've ever been to Salford, you'd never want to go to a university there, regardless of how good or bad the uni is supposed to be.

LOL. How true.


Go raid Manchester University's library

I'm pretty sure they won't let you do that. Not certain, but that's where my money is.

I'm pretty sure they won't let you do that. Not certain, but that's where my money is.

If you are registered as a student at a British University, and have a valid SU card, then you can normally use any library university. (No lending rights - but you can use the books in the library). At least that is how it worked when I was a student in the UK.

If you are registered as a student at a British University, and have a valid SU card, then you can normally use any library university. (No lending rights - but you can use the books in the library). At least that is how it worked when I was a student in the UK.

I know my university (University of Kent) charge five pounds to get into the library if you don't have your UKC card on you (and you wouldn't have one at all if you weren't a student there). By the time you've paid to travel for two hours and then paid to get in, you could've bought a second-hand copy.

Let me see now. You are at university - right. This means that you are an adult with some problem solving abilities, not a five year-old that needs to have everything served in bite size pieces.

True, but I am paying for a service and should be getting what I am paying thousands of pounds a year for

Usually - but that's rare! Huh? - is it usual that there are five copies or is that a rarity? Make up your mind. 1-3 copies of any book is pretty good. Here the normal at a university is 0. You have to beg, borrow, and photocopy whatever you can get hold of - be it a personal copy belonging to a lecturer, an interlibrary loan, or just parts grabbed from citations in on-line papers. You are in Salford. Go raid Manchester University's library or any one of the hundreds of other academic libraries in a 2 hours coach ride of you .

If you actually read what I wrote instead of trying to make yourself sound better than other people, you'd realise that what I said was that usually there is a MAXIMUM of 5 - in other words, the maximum is usually 5, but it's rare that the books reach the maximum number. In addition, Manchester university's libraries apparently close at about the same time and don't open until about the same time and I don't have borrowing rights there, plus I can not afford to spend money on coach trips in the hope that I will "get lucky" and find and be able to borrow the books that I need.

So you have to work in the library. Tough life isn't it - this means paper and pencil - writing by hand, unless you are one of the lucky ones that has a notebook. 75%+ of your study time will be spent in the library if you are doing any reasonable course at uni.

I have worked in the library before. I have no problem working in the library, it's quiet and I get things done when I'm not on the computer. But the library is closing on the 22nd

And where do you expect to have a surplus of equipment in real life when you have graduated? You will always be battling equipment shortages, scheduling conflicts and such like logistics problems. Start learning now. That is one of the things that university will teach you - how to resolve the real problems.

Just as before starting university I was partially "spoon-fed at college" but still knew that at university I would have to do independent work with very little assistance from the teachers after they had gave the "bare bones" of the relevant information, I know that after I have graduated I will have to pay for my own equipment and will not have any facilities available to me - but just as being at college is not the same as being at university, being at university as an undergraduate is not the same as having graduated, and whilst at university I am entitled to expect what I pay for, one of which is access to adequate facilities (or at least not majorly far off adequate)

When was this assignment handed out? When was it made public knowledge that the library would close over the Christmas break (I'll hazard a guess - the day the library was inaugurated). Stop whinging like a spoilt child and get the work done.

The first I read about the library closure (despite visiting the library yesterday) was TODAY - do yourself a favour and stop trying to act like a smart ass.

2,500 words is not much. It is about 8 - 10 pages of A4 line and half spaced font 12 Times new roman text. And it is a really hard life when studying consists of watching films. Don't expect much sympathy from maths, law, medicine, engineering, physics, etc. etc. students.

1. Studying does not consist of 'watching films' - it consist of, in some modules, watching films WHILST TAKING NOTES ON THEM in order to analyse them before properly concentrating on the actual written assignment.

2. I have plenty of sympathy from a friend who is on a medicine-related course. The courses you list may have a lot of theory but (except maths) they also have plenty of practical work like my course does, which, if I put it the way people as you would put it about my course, involves either playing at "being lawyer", messing about with bodies, messing about with cars and planes, or blowing stuff up for fun.

3. When did you get so far up your own arse? If you have few friends, I'm not surprised. If you have lots of friends, I suggest you hide a listening device in one of their pockets to see what they say about you behind your back, as I can gurantee it won't be positive.

Why do you need a dvd drive for 'work' what do you do media studies or some other doss around subject?

I went for a sample lecture at Salfrod, glad thats not on my UCAS choice.

Why do you need a dvd drive for 'work' what do you do media studies or some other doss around subject?

I went for a sample lecture at Salfrod, glad thats not on my UCAS choice.

If you people who slag off media courses and performing arts courses and other practical courses actually saw what goes on as part of those courses, you would not think it was easy. Try doing what's probably considered one of the most "doss around courses" there is - performing arts, and you'd soon change your views. We do plenty of written work, but even the practical work is not easy but it gives people the advantage that they have practical experience of something instead of just employment-useless theory as in English courses for example.

As for why I need a dvd drive, as I explained above, I need to watch it whilst taking notes (so it's not particularly enjoyable), then analyse it, then put it into my assignment - and I need to do this several times. But this isn't the only thing I do on the course, there is also plenty of practical work and plenty of written work (each module requires some form of written work).

True, but I am paying for a service and should be getting what I am paying thousands of pounds a year for
You are. You are paying to be taught, to have lectures etc.


If you actually read what I wrote instead of trying to make yourself sound better than other people, you'd realise that what I said was that usually there is a MAXIMUM of 5 - in other words, the maximum is usually 5, but it's rare that the books reach the maximum number. In addition, Manchester university's libraries apparently close at about the same time and don't open until about the same time and I don't have borrowing rights there, plus I can not afford to spend money on coach trips in the hope that I will "get lucky" and find and be able to borrow the books that I need.
I did read what you wrote - hence the observation of the contradiction between usually and rarely. You are taking that part way to seriously though.

All university libraries close for the Christmas break, as far as I know. They always have and they always will. Hence my comment about this having been public knowledge since the library was founded. That you - personally - did not know this can only be due to your not reading the information that you received about the library facilities at the start of your course.

There is a wonderful thing called the internet. On this there are library catalogues. Try them. There is also information on opening times usage etc.
Manchester University Library Page (http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/about/librarysites/main/)



I have worked in the library before. I have no problem working in the library, it's quiet and I get things done when I'm not on the computer. But the library is closing on the 22nd
And when did you receive the assignment. I notice that you attack me personally,but avoid answering this question. Helps a lot to be angry at me I suppose.



Just as before starting university I was partially "spoon-fed at college" but still knew that at university I would have to do independent work with very little assistance from the teachers after they had gave the "bare bones" of the relevant information, I know that after I have graduated I will have to pay for my own equipment and will not have any facilities available to me - but just as being at college is not the same as being at university, being at university as an undergraduate is not the same as having graduated, and whilst at university I am entitled to expect what I pay for, one of which is access to adequate facilities (or at least not majorly far off adequate)
What you are paying for is a piece of paper that entitles you to a better salary. [/cynicism] As I said earlier -you are paying for being taught. The equipment is incidental to this. You are not entitled to expect anything in the way of equipment being provided, unless the institution clearly promised that it would be provided.



The first I read about the library closure (despite visiting the library yesterday) was TODAY - do yourself a favour and stop trying to act like a smart ass.
See above. Read - in detail - every piece of paper they give you from now on.



1. Studying does not consist of 'watching films' - it consist of, in some modules, watching films WHILST TAKING NOTES ON THEM in order to analyse them before properly concentrating on the actual written assignment.
Wow - you actually take notes! Excuse my astonishment - but your study still consists of watching films. I am sorry but that seems like a cop out to me. If you are studying film itself then there are plenty of good books that examine in detail theory and practice of film and film making. If it is semiotics or social communications then the same applies. Watching the films as case studies is fine, but there has to be a more solid theoretical basis built before this can be of any real use. I can be wrong of course - but case studies prior to theory is a strange way round of doing things.

2. I have plenty of sympathy from a friend who is on a medicine-related course. The courses you list may have a lot of theory but (except maths) they also have plenty of practical work like my course does, which, if I put it the way people as you would put it about my course, involves either playing at "being lawyer", messing about with bodies, messing about with cars and planes, or blowing stuff up for fun.
What I was challenging was the concern with the practice at the expense of the theory. You seem far more concerned that you have to watch the films than you do about having to study the theory. Why?

3. When did you get so far up your own arse? If you have few friends, I'm not surprised. If you have lots of friends, I suggest you hide a listening device in one of their pockets to see what they say about you behind your back, as I can gurantee it won't be positive.
When someone starts complaining that it is the fault of X Y or Z that they can't do what the rest of their colleagues are doing I tend to cal them out on it. You do not say when you received the assignment (a small one at that). and you are complaining that because the library will close over Christmas you have no time to do it. So wtf are you posting here instead of doing your assignment? Suspicious.
By the way I have been a university lecturer and I have heard this type of complaint too often from students who lack a certain work ethic. It may be that I am misjudging you, but when I see smoke I tend to associate it with a fire.

If you people who slag off media courses and performing arts courses and other practical courses actually saw what goes on as part of those courses, you would not think it was easy. Try doing what's probably considered one of the most "doss around courses" there is - performing arts, and you'd soon change your views. We do plenty of written work, but even the practical work is not easy but it gives people the advantage that they have practical experience of something instead of just employment-useless theory as in English courses for example.

As for why I need a dvd drive, as I explained above, I need to watch it whilst taking notes (so it's not particularly enjoyable), then analyse it, then put it into my assignment - and I need to do this several times. But this isn't the only thing I do on the course, there is also plenty of practical work and plenty of written work (each module requires some form of written work).

I know the stuff doss around subjects do, watch Hollyoaks and write an essay on how it effects modern society. These sort of subjects are doss around subjects, they are not accademic at all and should be abolished so real courses like science and the real arts can be supported not to waste money on 'film studies' departments.

You are. You are paying to be taught, to have lectures etc.



I did read what you wrote - hence the observation of the contradiction between usually and rarely. You are taking that part way to seriously though.

All university libraries close for the Christmas break, as far as I know. They always have and they always will. Hence my comment about this having been public knowledge since the library was founded. That you - personally - did not know this can only be due to your not reading the information that you received about the library facilities at the start of your course.

There is a wonderful thing called the internet. On this there are library catalogues. Try them. There is also information on opening times usage etc.
Manchester University Library Page (http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/about/librarysites/main/)




And when did you receive the assignment. I notice that you attack me personally,but avoid answering this question. Helps a lot to be angry at me I suppose.




What you are paying for is a piece of paper that entitles you to a better salary. [/cynicism] As I said earlier -you are paying for being taught. The equipment is incidental to this. You are not entitled to expect anything in the way of equipment being provided, unless the institution clearly promised that it would be provided.




See above. Read - in detail - every piece of paper they give you from now on.




Wow - you actually take notes! Excuse my astonishment - but your study still consists of watching films. I am sorry but that seems like a cop out to me. If you are studying film itself then there are plenty of good books that examine in detail theory and practice of film and film making. If it is semiotics or social communications then the same applies. Watching the films as case studies is fine, but there has to be a more solid theoretical basis built before this can be of any real use. I can be wrong of course - but case studies prior to theory is a strange way round of doing things.


What I was challenging was the concern with the practice at the expense of the theory. You seem far more concerned that you have to watch the films than you do about having to study the theory. Why?


When someone starts complaining that it is the fault of X Y or Z that they can't do what the rest of their colleagues are doing I tend to cal them out on it. You do not say when you received the assignment (a small one at that). and you are complaining that because the library will close over Christmas you have no time to do it. So wtf are you posting here instead of doing your assignment? Suspicious.
By the way I have been a university lecturer and I have heard this type of complaint too often from students who lack a certain work ethic. It may be that I am misjudging you, but when I see smoke I tend to associate it with a fire.

Your attitude and the fact that you are up yourself does not warrant me replying to the rest of this post, so I'm going to simply defend myself to others who didn't read my post properly and say: I've been advised by a tutor to watch the films BEFORE reading relevant books. I can not watch those films at present, as I have no access to a dvd player at present. Thus, I can not yet do any constructive work on my assignment so I am posting my frustrations here instead. To AB Again, obviously it's a free world, but I would appreciate it if you didn't take up forum space by replying to my posts again, as I generally try to ignore people who think they are better than everyone else

I know the stuff doss around subjects do, watch Hollyoaks and write an essay on how it effects modern society. These sort of subjects are doss around subjects, they are not accademic at all and should be abolished so real courses like science and the real arts can be supported not to waste money on 'film studies' departments.

You obviously have no idea what they do. 'Film Studies' or more likely nowadays 'Media Studies' are valid and worthwhile courses if well taught. Can you tell me why you remember certain adverts and not others? Can you say why this item made the news when that one did not? No. So stfu or post about something you do know about.

Your attitude and the fact that you are up yourself does not warrant me replying to the rest of this post, so I'm going to simply defend myself to others who didn't read my post properly and say: I've been advised by a tutor to watch the films BEFORE reading relevant books. I can not watch those films at present, as I have no access to a dvd player at present. Thus, I can not yet do any constructive work on my assignment so I am posting my frustrations here instead. To AB Again, obviously it's a free world, but I would appreciate it if you didn't take up forum space by replying to my posts again, as I generally try to ignore people who think they are better than everyone else

You still don't say when you were given the assignment. When was it?

I know the stuff doss around subjects do, watch Hollyoaks and write an essay on how it effects modern society. These sort of subjects are doss around subjects, they are not accademic at all and should be abolished so real courses like science and the real arts can be supported not to waste money on 'film studies' departments.

You're wrong, but as this belief appears ingrained into your brain (amongst the brains of others who have dismissed such courses after very faint knowledge of them), I won't bother arguing.

A quick note on our essays though: our essays, due the varity of subjects that each essay covers (despite a somewhat misleading "racism in tv" or other specific title) help us to think for ourselves and also create a better world by thinking about things and people more positively and by learning about issues and people we previously had ill-informed views on. As part of my course, I've also learned about copyright law and various other things that "straight-laced" courses like science simply do not teach.

I just found a way to download something to my personal drive (there's blocks on downloading to c:\ drive for obvious reasons) that allows me to watch dvds, so I won't be typing on this forum for some time.

yay!

Well fro whatI've heard I'm so glad I struck it off my list of univeristies. I have one of their prospectuses lying here.......should I burn it?

Well fro whatI've heard I'm so glad I struck it off my list of univeristies. I have one of their prospectuses lying here.......should I burn it?
Well they're normally too glossy to use as toilet paper.

When did Salford ever become a Uni by the way?

Alien Born in "Bang on the nose" shocker!

Seriously, he's pretty much right there. Books are not in infinite supply. The Manchester Uni John Rylands Library's supposedly the best uni library in the country, and we've had to put up with having one short loan and one reference copy of a vital book for important essays in the past between 50+ people.

Libraries close over Christmas. I'm amazed. Seriously, use the remaining time as efficiently as possible, taking out as many books as you can over Christmas. JR library opens really late and, if necessary, people can achieve 16 hours a day in there. My housemate did that for over a week handing in his latest major work.

CD/DVD players are common. Get one for cheap. Problem solved. And don't bitch about resources, that's a common problem that top-up fees are supposed to go some way to dealing with and something that, in the UK, isn't actually that costly. US universities create a lot more debt for their students - it doesn't mean much to you, but I bet it would to them.

Just because you only found the info about closing times today, doesn't mean they haven't been out for quite some time.

I have 18 hours of labs a week to contend with next lecture, each with either a lab report or series of related questions. I hope this is what you expect from a practical course, because that's what it often amounts to.

AB's not up his own arse. Maybe a little sarcastic and caustic, but by no means acting like a wanker. University is hard, you will have to deal with stress, you will be let down by your course. I once sat through a Q&A session for Manchester Uni Medics pertaining to their exams and course in general. Your complaints draw many parallels with theirs and are, frankly, equally as moot. 2500 words is not much, especially considering that you claim the research is very work intensive.

I'm assuming you've had a while to do this too, as no lecturer would deliberately set an incredibly difficult piece of work on a very short deadline. The time period is based on previous years unless the concept is new, when the time required will, if anything, be longer than necessary. It's a learning curve faced by all new students. Fees are also a perennial complaint, you just have to deal with it. Welcome to adulthood.

Also, AB, where do you lecture and what in? I didn't think lecturers actually existed outside lecture theatres and their research. And Clandonia Prime - stop being a pretentious wanker. So Salford's not Red Brick. Many former polytechnics are climbing the ranks while older universities suffocate in their own pride. There's no distinction anymore save the university rankings.

Also, AB, where do you lecture and what in? I didn't think lecturers actually existed outside lecture theatres and their research.

I taught (past tense) computing skills classes for a couple of terms at Leeds Uni (not Leeds Met), as an assistant whilst doing my masters and I lectured English at a couple of universities here for some four years. I am now back to programming though. (Computers don't complain when you ask them to work)

You should hear the complaints when you ask students to read more than a couple of pages before the next class! Come on people - ten pages of a book in a week isn't going to kill you.

You should hear the complaints when you ask students to read more than a couple of pages before the next class! Come on people - ten pages of a book in a week isn't going to kill you.
Meh, we're students. If we didn't complain incessantly you'd have nothing to do :p

You should hear the complaints when you ask students to read more than a couple of pages before the next class! Come on people - ten pages of a book in a week isn't going to kill you.
*falls off chair laughing*

Ten pages in a week and they were complaining? Even back when I was doing math and physics and had to read dry technical stuff, I didn't complain until it got up to more than 100 pages in a week.

*falls off chair laughing*

Ten pages in a week and they were complaining? Even back when I was doing math and physics and had to read dry technical stuff, I didn't complain until it got up to more than 100 pages in a week.

Ah, but remember these pages are written in a foreign language! That must make them 10 x more difficult to read than that dry technical formula laden stuff that maths and physics people read, mustn't it?

No, it is pathetic and it is one of the primary reasons why I no longer work in higher education.