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Most Depressing Films

Pepe Dominguez
20-12-2006, 12:23
Alright, so this thread is all about movies you've seen that bum you out. Not that I enjoy being bummed out, but occasionally, when the topic is right, a depressing film can satisfy some part of the brain that appreciates tragic situations. Those are the films I'm looking to compile a list of. I know there's some film fans here, so I figured I'd give it a shot.

So I'll start the ball rolling with one that I've seen a few times and can't seem to forget, which I was especially reminded of by the fact that it's playing on television right now. :p

That'd be this one, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053121/ - Nobi, or "Fires on the Plain," a classic Japanese movie from Kon Ichikawa, who directed a few like this one, but, I think, none better in the same genre.

Alright, enough from me. Contributions are welcome. :)
The Parkus Empire
20-12-2006, 12:30
Spider Man 1, and the Mud Bloood Prince when it comes out.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
20-12-2006, 12:44
the Mud Bloood Prince when it comes out. Yeah, I already cried my eyes out over the book. >.< *shakes fist at Rowling*


Hm, I'm sure there are more.

Anyone remember "Somersby"? Terribly, terribly depressing movie. The fucker chooses to die for something he didn't do instead of revealing he used to be a criminal. Something about "honour". :rolleyes: Gah! Really liked the movie but haven't been able to watch it ever again.

Can't think of any others right now, damn.
Bolol
20-12-2006, 12:45
The Bicycle Thief (http://imdb.com/title/tt0040522/)

Wonderful film, but absolutely draining...You feel like either writing sad poetry or taking a long walk in the snow afterwards...
Pepe Dominguez
20-12-2006, 12:47
The Bicycle Thief (http://imdb.com/title/tt0040522/)

Wonderful film, but absolutely draining...You feel like either writing sad poetry or taking a long walk in the snow afterwards...

I've heard of it many times, but haven't seen it. May have to rent that one. Nice. :)
Bolol
20-12-2006, 12:49
I've heard of it many times, but haven't seen it. May have to rent that one. Nice. :)

Oh, it's great! Just don't make any plans for anything...uplifting, afterwards.

But it really did get me started at looking at other foreign films.
The Parkus Empire
20-12-2006, 12:50
Yes, PLUS and Harry and Peter share some things in common. Like walking away from a funeral (well grave yard in Spidie's case) of someone you were really close to, then dumping a girl because of her saftey... ARGH!
Slartiblartfast
20-12-2006, 12:55
Bi-polar Express
Bodies Without Organs
20-12-2006, 13:00
La Haine.
New Populistania
20-12-2006, 13:07
Most depressing films:

The Shawshank Redemption - like when Hadley shoots the guy who knew Andy's wife's real killer.

In America - Irish film that featured Paddy Considine, Samantha Morton and the two Bolger sisters (Sarah and Emma Bolger). So boring it's really depressing. And the beginning when they arrive at the junky's block is also depressing.
Pepe Dominguez
20-12-2006, 13:10
Most depressing films:

The Shawshank Redemption - like when Hadley shoots the guy who knew Andy's wife's real killer.


I think the ending kinda alters the overall message and meaning of that movie though, don't you think. Not sure I'd call it depressing overall.
Greater Valia
20-12-2006, 13:33
Alright, so this thread is all about movies you've seen that bum you out. Not that I enjoy being bummed out, but occasionally, when the topic is right, a depressing film can satisfy some part of the brain that appreciates tragic situations. Those are the films I'm looking to compile a list of. I know there's some film fans here, so I figured I'd give it a shot.

So I'll start the ball rolling with one that I've seen a few times and can't seem to forget, which I was especially reminded of by the fact that it's playing on television right now. :p

That'd be this one, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053121/ - Nobi, or "Fires on the Plain," a classic Japanese movie from Kon Ichikawa, who directed a few like this one, but, I think, none better in the same genre.

Alright, enough from me. Contributions are welcome. :)

Holy shit. I just finished watching that. Glad I read your post before replying. :P Too bad the VHS is $89.99 on Amazon... I love IFC. Samurai Saturday's FTW.

Oh yeah, back on topic... Depressing movie... lessee... City of Lost Children wasn't particullary depressing, but the overall atmosphere of the movie left me feeling drained at the end.
Mogtaria
20-12-2006, 13:37
My votes for most depressing films are:

Crash (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/)
and
Donnie Darko (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246578/)
Pepe Dominguez
20-12-2006, 13:39
Holy shit. I just finished watching that. Glad I read your post before replying. :P Too bad the VHS is $89.99 on Amazon... I love IFC. Samurai Saturday's FTW.


It's coming out this year on Criterion, as a double-set with another Ichikawa film (can't remember which). So it should be a bit cheaper, and with a bunch of extras and maybe interviews. That'd be neat.. something to consider if I have a job by then. :p
Whereyouthinkyougoing
20-12-2006, 13:39
My votes for most depressing films are:

Crash (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375679/)
That reminds me of another one: Brokeback Mountain. :(
Greater Valia
20-12-2006, 13:45
It's coming out this year on Criterion, as a double-set with another Ichikawa film (can't remember which). So it should be a bit cheaper, and with a bunch of extras and maybe interviews. That'd be neat.. something to consider if I have a job by then. :p

Ah. I'll have to set aside some cash for that then. I love Criterion. They're a little overpriced but the quality of their DVD's (and the very wide selection) makes up for that. The new Seven Samurai box set was one of the best purchases I've ever made. Original aspect ratio and sound! (the extras were nice too)
Pepe Dominguez
20-12-2006, 13:48
Ah. I'll have to set aside some cash for that then. I love Criterion. They're a little overpriced but the quality of their DVD's (and the very wide selection) makes up for that. The new Seven Samurai box set was one of the best purchases I've ever made. Original aspect ratio and sound! (the extras were nice too)

I've also heard they're expensive. My local video store has all of them in one section for the regular rental price, so I just go with that. It's pretty nice. :)
Delator
20-12-2006, 13:52
Requiem for a Dream (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/)

...especially the mother. :(

Gettysburg (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107007/)

Pickett's Charge just hammers home the waste of war.
Greater Valia
20-12-2006, 13:54
I've also heard they're expensive. My local video store has all of them in one section for the regular rental price, so I just go with that. It's pretty nice. :)

Too bad I don't have a rental place nearby with a good selection (don't get me started about Blockbuster...). If I want hard to find, or foreign films I'm forced to buy them. I don't really mind, but when you're paying $30 a piece for DVD's it adds up. (the box sets and special editions are even more expensive. I spent nearly $50 on the Seven Samurai box set.)
Myrmidonisia
20-12-2006, 14:09
I'm not sure how any of you missed my all time bummer movie, "The Killing Fields". I don't know what is more depressing than watching that tragedy.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
20-12-2006, 14:10
Hotel Rwanda
Hamilay
20-12-2006, 14:14
Saving Private Ryan and Khartoum were pretty depressing, as was The Great Escape. (but the music made up for it. *hums*)
The Most Glorious Hack
20-12-2006, 14:19
Requiem for a Dream (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/)That's a good pick. I still say Grave of the Fireflies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095327/) is the single most depressing movie ever made.
King Bodacious
20-12-2006, 14:24
As a classic I must go with, "Old Yeller" Truly awesome movie and definately was a tear jerker.

I'd also say Bruce Willis, in "Tears of the Sun" awesome movie.
King Bodacious
20-12-2006, 14:25
Oh, I almost forgot, "Schindlers List" was definately a depressing but good movie.
Vorlich
20-12-2006, 14:26
One flew over the cukoo's nest

sure you get the laughs and then at the end........oh my god you can't help but cry.

it's beautifully sad.
Hamilay
20-12-2006, 14:28
Oh, I almost forgot, "Schindlers List" was definately a depressing but good movie.
I thought Schindler's List, when everything came to a close, was meant to be all heroic and inspiring?
King Bodacious
20-12-2006, 14:29
"The Patriot" was another one......When the young son of actor Mel Gibson gets shot in the back, I felt cold and awed......:(
Greater Valia
20-12-2006, 14:30
One flew over the cukoo's nest

sure you get the laughs and then at the end........oh my god you can't help but cry.

it's beautifully sad.

Well put. I wasn't really expecting that ending when I saw it so it was a pretty big shock when it happened.
King Bodacious
20-12-2006, 14:31
I thought Schindler's List, when everything came to a close, was meant to be all heroic and inspiring?

It's been many years since I've seen it but during the movie and all of the atrocities was definately depressing. I'm not talking about the ending just the overall movie.
Yenen
20-12-2006, 14:31
The day after tomorrow, Harry Potter isn't that good!:gundge: :sniper:
Hamilay
20-12-2006, 14:32
It's been many years since I've seen it but during the movie and all of the atrocities was definately depressing. I'm not talking about the ending just the overall movie.
Fair enough. I just don't think that was meant to be the overall message. Or something like that.
Liuzzo
20-12-2006, 14:32
"and the band played on" or "Philadelphia" Both take on the issue of Aids in society and the realization that it knows no boundaries. The first is more of a documentary but both are very touching.
Luporum
20-12-2006, 14:32
What Dreams May Come (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120889/)

Braveheart

Ladder 49 especially :(
Yenen
20-12-2006, 14:33
God braveheart yeah:(
Descendants of Latta
20-12-2006, 14:33
The Descent, a miserable movie, scary if you like that sort of thing and no real sense of redemption or anything at the end, just relief and i think that was the whole point; its just good to be alive after something so terrible. Hollywood would have had a far happier ending...but i'd have puked at that;)
Yenen
20-12-2006, 14:35
Harry potter isn't sad.
Vorlich
20-12-2006, 14:38
What Dreams May Come (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120889/)

Braveheart

Ladder 49 especially :(

God braveheart yeah:(

As someone who lives within the vicinty of where William Wallace fought, i cannot abide this movie. it is a sad story but its incorrect and i find it quiet offensive.
Carisbourg
20-12-2006, 14:39
God braveheart yeah:(

Yeah, but mainly because of what they did to the truth.

I vote for "Fahrenheit 451" and "1984" for political reasons; and "Zardoz" for what it could have done to Sean Connery's career. He deserves a special Oscar for having a career after that movie.
Luporum
20-12-2006, 14:41
As someone who lives within the vicinty of where William Wallace fought, i cannot abide this movie. it is a sad story but its incorrect and i find it quiet offensive.

Movies were never meant to be accurate in any way, so the best I can tell you is just enjoy the film while burning history books.

Adding Man on Fire to my list.

"I wish...you had more time." :D
Vorlich
20-12-2006, 14:46
Movies were never meant to be accurate in any way, :D

I am aware of this, but i don't rate the story that well either. and i've never like mel gibson anyhoo. (even prior to all his badness that has come to light since the Passion of christ etc)
Intestinal fluids
20-12-2006, 14:57
Leaving Las Vegas. Most depressing and sad movie ever. Nicholas Cage was simply phenominal in his role of a alcoholic in his final stages of degeneration.
Extreme Ironing
20-12-2006, 15:00
Schindler's List
The Pianist
Luporum
20-12-2006, 15:19
I am aware of this, but i don't rate the story that well either. and i've never like mel gibson anyhoo. (even prior to all his badness that has come to light since the Passion of christ etc)

I can agree to that. I saw the movie as "Mad Max with a Claymore".
Cromotar
20-12-2006, 15:22
That reminds me of another one: Brokeback Mountain. :(

Seconded. Of course, it didn't help that the movie more or less bored me to tears.
Bodies Without Organs
20-12-2006, 15:28
Requiem for a Dream (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/)

...especially the mother. :(

Black comedy, and as such not depressing.
Arinola
20-12-2006, 15:36
Anyone seen Million Dollar Baby? found that quite depressing,and unfair to lady boxer person.Whose name I can't remember.
My friend cried at the end of Lord of the Rings 3,spose it is quite depressing.
Falhaar2
20-12-2006, 15:48
"The Grey Zone"
A God-damn depressing movie. Probably the best (if that's the right word) film I've ever seen about the Holocaust.

"Come and See"
An excellent film about the Nazi occupation of Russia. Totally depressing.

"Night of the Living Dead"
Whatever missteps George Romero made later in his career, this movie is still one of the ultimate horror masterpieces with a fantastic downer ending.

"Nobody Knows"
Watch some abandoned Japanese kids slowly grow sick and die as the oldest boy Akira tries desperately to keep his siblings happy.

"Wit"
I don't know who though of the title for this movie, but it's a damned lie. Watch Emma Thompson die horribly and painfully of cancer. That's it. That's the movie.

"The Death of Mr Lazarescu"
An old man is feeling ill one evening, so he phones the ambulance. What follows is a stunning, funny and ultimately depressing film about how humans neglect one another.

"Man Bites Dog"
An amateur camera crew follows a professional hitman/serial killer as he gleefully murders women, children and the elderly. Sad ending.

"Funny Games"
Fuck you Michael Haenke for offering no redemption whatsoever.
Jello Biafra
20-12-2006, 16:14
I've never seen "Terms of Endearment", but I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet.
Farnhamia
20-12-2006, 16:23
"Leaving Las Vegas." We made the mistake of watching the comedy we'd rented that same night before watching this. When it ended we just sat there and looked at each other in dismay. Great acting, but talk about unrelieved awfulness!
Cannot think of a name
20-12-2006, 17:24
The Bicycle Thief (http://imdb.com/title/tt0040522/)

Wonderful film, but absolutely draining...You feel like either writing sad poetry or taking a long walk in the snow afterwards...
I'll second or third this or whatever. One of the few times I was really just floored by a movie when I was told I would be.
That reminds me of another one: Brokeback Mountain. :(
It's nearly impossible to do a forbiden and tragic romance in todays culture. Enter gay cowboys, really well done.
Leaving Las Vegas. Most depressing and sad movie ever. Nicholas Cage was simply phenominal in his role of a alcoholic in his final stages of degeneration.
I didn't think I'd like it, but did-very depressing.


"Man Bites Dog"
An amateur camera crew follows a professional hitman/serial killer as he gleefully murders women, children and the elderly. Sad ending.



You feel bad about yourself watching that film, which is hard to do. It's when the camera man sheepishly looks back at the camera that you feel that pang of shame.

I'll add-
The Elephant Man, the best movie I'll never watch again. Why do that to myself?

The Straight Story, while not super depressing, is kind of a bummer at the end, knowing that it's pretty much the end. Mostly though it's just well done. Makes it seem like I like Lynch, but I really don't, just these two. They make me mad because he can be good...

What's Eating Gilbert Grape Two thirds of the way through that movie you realize that it can't end well. It's not something you're expecting in an American movie full of pretty boys. Perhaps low expectations going in elevate that movie, but damn it was a bummer. And since at the time I didn't know who Dicaprio was, I thought they got someone with that condition to play that role, he did a good job. (I didn't watch Growing Pains)

I seem to remember the Taiwanese movie Happy Together being a bummer. Frankly I remember most of the movies I watched in film school being a bit of a bummer now that I think about it. I could fish out my syllabi and copy them...
The Judas Panda
20-12-2006, 17:56
As far as Braveheart goes some good work on the score and the skill of the rest of the cast made it an enjoyable film I don't really remember Mel Gibson when I think of it I remember Brendan Gleeson, James Cosmo, Patrick Mcnee and the rest of them.

But I have to say Limelight by Charlie Chaplin wonderful movie with a sad ending you just feel for the great clown who's fallen on hard times.

And Cyrano De Bergerac with Gerard Depardieu, for my money his best film and I will never think of anyone as Cyrano again. Not just the ending, the beautiful rythms and the tragic love story all make it depressing.
Snafturi
20-12-2006, 18:14
That's a good pick. I still say Grave of the Fireflies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095327/) is the single most depressing movie ever made.

Most depressing movie ever. I saw it years ago and it still bothers me.

To End All Wars (http://imdb.com/title/tt0243609/) is a close second.
New Mitanni
20-12-2006, 18:25
On the Beach was pretty depressing. But considering the subject matter, that was no doubt intentional.
The Parkus Empire
20-12-2006, 18:30
Oh, and this may sound weird but the FIRST TIME I saw Napoleon Dynamite I belive I felt this feeling you describe. Every time after that was better though.
Lacadaemon
20-12-2006, 19:03
Whoever slagged of Zardoz is just wrong. That movie is excellent - kick ass in all respects.

If find shit like light comedy really depressing. Or anything 'life affirming'. Mostly because the bulk of my fellow naked apes think it is real.

The Panic in Needle Park is a big downer. The Incident doesn't really cheer me up either.
Morganatron
20-12-2006, 19:10
"Wit"
I don't know who though of the title for this movie, but it's a damned lie. Watch Emma Thompson die horribly and painfully of cancer. That's it. That's the movie.

Ugh. I was in a video store, just walked down an aisle, saw the cover, and started weeping. This is a powerful yet highly depressing movie.

I was visiting my sister and brother-in-law the other day. He says "Hey! Let's watch Schindler's List!" all happy. Three hours later, I wanted to just curl up in a ball on the couch for the rest of my life.
Arrkendommer
20-12-2006, 19:11
I think a really depressing but a probab;y really good movie hasn't come out in the US yet, Children of Men, plot aside, it looks like it would be amazingly well made. The trailer left me obsessed and I must have watched it 20 times over.
Arrkendommer
20-12-2006, 19:12
On the Beach was pretty depressing. But considering the subject matter, that was no doubt intentional.

I heard that was really good!
Wallonochia
20-12-2006, 20:09
Jean de Florette (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091288/) was pretty depressing, as was Wit (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243664/) even though it was made for TV.

edit: Dammit, someone already mentioned Wit.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
20-12-2006, 20:43
I think a really depressing but a probab;y really good movie hasn't come out in the US yet, Children of Men, plot aside, it looks like it would be amazingly well made. The trailer left me obsessed and I must have watched it 20 times over.
I saw it a couple weeks ago and it's really, really, really good. You have to go see it.
I can't really comment on its depressingness as that might give things away.
New Mitanni
20-12-2006, 21:02
I heard that was really good!

It was good (so was the book). But it was very, very depressing.
Dwarfstein
20-12-2006, 21:23
The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Proper damn depressing. Good though.
Cruxium
20-12-2006, 22:24
Dead Poet's Society and About Schmidt.

Those were two of the most depressing and yet moving films I can think of, Brokeback Mountain aside.

If you haven't seen them, do.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 23:41
My nomination is for Frida. My GOD how stupid can one woman be? She just keeps on taking back this same asshole over and over in the name of God who knows what. At the end of the movie I was litterly hanging myself with my pants.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0120679/
Llewdor
21-12-2006, 00:18
Sweet November makes me cry.

Sob, actually.
Turquoise Days
21-12-2006, 00:25
Hotel Rwanda

The Pianist
Two of the more 'draining' films I have ever seen. I wouldn't say depressing, partly because I don't get depressed easily, and I found hope in both the stories. I've never come out of a theatre with more to think about than after those two, however.
Outcast Jesuits
21-12-2006, 01:08
La Haine...good French movie.
Delator
21-12-2006, 01:48
Black comedy, and as such not depressing.

:confused:

...well. That's about the first time I've been at a loss for words on this forum.

I can understand not liking the movie, but how one can come away after watching it and not be depressed is utterly beyond me.

*wanders off*
Falhaar2
21-12-2006, 02:47
Ugh. I was in a video store, just walked down an aisle, saw the cover, and started weeping. This is a powerful yet highly depressing movie.The worst thing about it was that my girlfriend and I chose it on one of our holidays, thinking; "Hey, Emma Thompson, she's a great actress!" and "Oh, it's directed by Mike Nichols!". The title led me to believe that it would indeed deal with cancer, but there would be levity in it. So we sat down and watched some of the most excruciating scenes of agony I've ever witnessed. And yes, I've seen "Audition".
Dunlaoire
21-12-2006, 04:04
For one that made me curse the padded arms on the cinema seats as they
prevented my goal of cutting my wrists during the interminable film I would
suggest

House of Spirits

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107151/
Ravea
21-12-2006, 05:48
Sonatine.
Terrorist Cakes
21-12-2006, 06:48
Amélie is making me cry. It's the second time I've seen it, and it's supposed to be all cheery, but I was sitting there, weeping in my French class. When it came to the idea of her having to take a risk to be in love, I was like, "Okay, you can stop rubbing my idiocy in my face, now!" Besides, I was all whacked out already, since I'd just watched 1984 in English.
Pompous world
21-12-2006, 15:46
8mm
Born on the 4th of July
Hostel (in the sense that it left me with a sick feeling, not that it was majorely depressing but still)
Pompous world
21-12-2006, 15:48
That reminds me of another one: Brokeback Mountain. :(

heh, that film is so gay
Cluichstan
21-12-2006, 15:51
On the Beach (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053137/)
Necrowizards
21-12-2006, 16:01
Requiem for a Dream, Dancer in the Dark, and Lilja 4-ever.
Vorlich
21-12-2006, 16:02
Amélie is making me cry. It's the second time I've seen it, and it's supposed to be all cheery, but I was sitting there, weeping in my French class. When it came to the idea of her having to take a risk to be in love, I was like, "Okay, you can stop rubbing my idiocy in my face, now!" Besides, I was all whacked out already, since I'd just watched 1984 in English.

You should see A Very Long Engagement, Audrey Tatou, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, oh my god.

the first time a watched it i was ok, felt emotional, but no tears. then the next day walking into work with my mum i started telling her the plot - and cried then. but its not really depressing. she just never, sob, loses, sob, hope......
Cullons
21-12-2006, 17:03
Pearl Harbour.


i'll never be able to regain those hours wasted on that crap:(
Carnivorous Lickers
21-12-2006, 17:12
"Leaving Las Vegas" with Nicholas Cage drinking himself to death was pretty damn depressing to me.
IL Ruffino
22-12-2006, 16:27
The Notebook. :(
Yutuka
22-12-2006, 23:46
Gods and Generals

I was expecting a Civil War movie in a similar style to Gettysburg, but instead I was treated to 3 hours of boring, melodramatic speeches by fat old men with fake beards. Oh, and I think there were about 30 minutes of crappy battle scenes in there as well. Seriously, when a made-for-TV movie has better battle scenes than Hollywood, something is screwed up.


Why did I spend an entire evening and eight bucks on that shitfest?
Tirindor
23-12-2006, 06:13
(I typed up a long post earlier and NS logged me out and lost my post data.:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: So here it is finally).

You mention Iran and Saudia Arabia in the same breath. You implicitly claim Iran is wahhabist. You also seem to confuse the terms Arab and Muslim. As far as I'm aware the ethinicity of most people in Pakistan is a mix of Persian and Arabian.

Again, typing a reasonably lengthy post during the course of a 10-minute break at work is going to lead to some errors. I do not deny this. I use Arab and Muslim interchangeably partly because it's a simpler distinction than referring more specifically to every individual tribal/ethnic group that compromises what is colloquially referred to by virtually everyone in the west as the "Arab world" and partly because those which are not Arab in background borrow heavily from Arab influence (i.e., the fact that they practice Islam, a holdover from their ancient conquest by Muslim invaders).

Either way you'll find basis to complain. To say "Islamic civilization" is improper because it includes Islamic nations that are not as pathological, as I mentioned in my OP. To say "Arab civilization" is not proper because not all the people influenced by Arab culture are themselves Arabs. But for the fourth or so time, this is all a pointless tangent because I explicitly said their ethnicity is not relevant to the discussion.

You've also pointed out that Iran is a theocracy. Iran was a democracy at the turn of the last century. The democracy was toppled by the British and American agents when it attempted to nationalise its oil industry. The Shah was installed as dictator. He proved to be so unpopular that eventually he was overthrown by a revolution with religious elements..

The fact that Mossadegh was toppled is irrelevant, as Pahlavi was at least equally as reform-minded. The fact that he attempted to introduce modernist reforms into Iran was what led to his downfall by radical clerics that didn't like it.

modern "Western" civilisation is based in large part ON arab civilisation.

I have said two or three times now that I don't deny that Arabs have contributed at least in part to some modern western cultural achievements. It doesn't change the existential fact that Arab civilization still does not measure up to modern society.

You act as if their past accomplishments somehow justify their modern failures. They don't. This is like saying that because Freud pioneered psychology despite being crazy, we owe crazy people a debt of gratitude and shouldn't judge them by calling them crazy.

the fact that the middle east and north africa got the ass-end of colonialism doens't mean squat as far as the actual "value" of a civilisation.

And, once again, the west got the ass-end of Arab colonialism long before the west laid hands on them.

It's no coincidence that "Arabic" (which originated, not improperly, in modern Saudi "Arab"ia) is spoken from the Iberian peninsula to the entire Arabic peninsula and even parts of Iran; Arab cultural influences can be seen as far east as India. This is the product of waves of Muslim conquest originating centuries before the west got its act together.

hands down anyone who looked at baghdad or timbuktu in 1400 would vastly prefer them to paris or london.

Once again, I've openly said as much. See previous posts. This does not change the fact of their modern civilization failures.

Some comments: I think that Arab nations are mostly a few decades, or in some cases, a century or three, behind Western civilisation, so they probably will catch up with us eventually.

As some here have inelegantly pointed out, they have been around and organized a lot longer than the west and at many points outstripped us in terms of cultural achievements; there is no reason for them to be behind at all.

A) As has been witnessed in places from Iraq to Pakistan, these places are just not ready for democracy. They need strongman dictators in order to control Shia/Sunni and/or ethnic violence.

Again, they've been around longer than we have. Something in their history should've led them to the conclusion, as it did western nations, that force was no longer a viable means of working out their interpersonal conflicts and that they should resolve their troubles diplomatically. This is the whole basis of democracy.

Cmmon look at muslim countries. Higher level of secularization higher level of standard of living.

I wouldn't say Morocco is secularist, although it fares better than secularist Iraq ever did.

(I am aware this rather conflicts with the speculations I made in my OP, but I never said there was an absolute positive correlation between their secularism and prosperity).

Then why, in the name of all fuckery, did you call it "On Arab civillisation"

See above. Besides this point being irrelevant, there is nothing I could call it that you wouldn't object to.

"Arab" again...This is what I mean about the loose language.

Still irrelevant. Quit taking this discussion onto tangential grounds.

I think the problem here is you are trying to tar the whole of the middle east with the same brush.

I have been deliberately avoiding this, hence my heaping of praise upon nations like Morocco and Turkey that I still would not much enjoy living in.

Again, the convention is simply to refer to it generally as the "Arab world." The parts that are not explicitly Arab are influenced heavily by the ancient influence of Arab conquerors. I'd like to know what you all would prefer I call it to which you wouldn't take umbrage.

You said it suggests three things, but only mentioned two and a summary point. Was the summary point mean to be a third point?

Oh, point two was originally two points in itself. Sorry. I went back and condensed it in the interest of saving space and forgot to change the "suggests three things part."

This is what I get for typing a long response in a few minutes at work instead of just waiting till I get home. :p

Anyway. It seems to me that you think Iran is pretty destitute. Iran is constantly improving. Infant mortality is getting lower, Life expectancies are getting higher as are Literacy rates and the Human Development Index.

This is to be expected from a nation that is largely at the bottom (people say the same thing about China and say it's rocketting towards superpower status, forgetting that growth invariably plateaus off after a certain point), although I concede that Iran is making greater strides than any of its brethren and that my criticism of it is probably harsher than is warranted.
Teneur
23-12-2006, 07:28
I think you're in the wrong thread Tirindor.

One very depressing, but highly introspective, film I've seen would be Elephant (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363589/). It's a film based on the Columbine shootings.
Wallonochia
23-12-2006, 07:35
Pearl Harbour.


i'll never be able to regain those hours wasted on that crap:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O635iKXveVw
Desperate Measures
23-12-2006, 07:40
I agree with all the people who said Requiem for a Dream. The book is even more depressing. But I still love them.
Akai Oni
23-12-2006, 07:56
Crash was definitely depressing.

Australian Rules and Beneath Clouds were pretty depressing for me.

The Grey Zone and Lilya 4 Eva were also really, really sad. I still can't sit through them all the way in one sitting.

The Magdalene Sisters depressed me horribly.

Two Hands (One of Heath Ledger's finest performances), was also pretty depressing in a lot of ways.
Russuania
23-12-2006, 08:11
That reminds me of another one: Brokeback Mountain. :(

Gay cowboys w/ straight relationships... and children.:fluffle: This one made my head spin... glad I watched it on the movie channel, well not so much watched as... watched like 5 minutes and switched to something more masculin... :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge:
Wallonochia
23-12-2006, 08:18
Gay cowboys w/ straight relationships... and children.:fluffle: This one made my head spin... glad i watched it on the movie channel, wel not som much watched as... watched like 5 minutes and switched to something mor masculin... :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: :gundge:

Again, the gun smilies on the first post. Why do you people do that?
Laerod
23-12-2006, 08:24
Knockin' on Heaven's Door (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119472/). Most depressing comedy I've ever seen, while at the same time still being funny. :( :D :(
Pirate Villainy
23-12-2006, 08:31
Hm. I'd have to say:

Johnny Got His Gun: A lovely and surreal movie about the horrors of war and the inspiration for the Metallica song "One." Lousy production values but a fine piece nontheless. Also, Donald Sutherland is my favorite actor-Jesus.

Grave of the Fireflies: An anime, yes. Also a soul-crushingly miserable film about orphans in wartime Japan.

Seconding Leaving Las Vegas and What Dreams May Come.

Miserable movies are good eating.

JTN
Eurgrovia
23-12-2006, 08:34
The Green Mile.

I cryed a little over each death scene (a lot over the guy with the rat and Coffey).
Desperate Measures
23-12-2006, 08:39
The Notebook. :(

I got a free advanced screening pass for that movie. I am still demanding that I be paid ten dollars, however.
Akai Oni
23-12-2006, 08:54
Again, the gun smilies on the first post. Why do you people do that?

Again, feeling some pride that I have yet to use a gun smilie. Ever.
JiangGuo
23-12-2006, 10:11
Grave of the fireflies, hands down. Even Schinder's List doesn't compare.
The Tribes Of Longton
23-12-2006, 21:10
Wit is probably the film for me. I've never been so depressed at the end of a film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243664/
Yootopia
23-12-2006, 21:18
The Paris Hilton Sex Tape.

Porn makes me cry :(
The Tribes Of Longton
23-12-2006, 21:54
The Paris Hilton Sex Tape.

Porn makes me cry :(
That made me cry too, it was fucking terrible. Her amateur antics in infrared are only surpassed by those on the big screen, which have brought me to the point of suicide in the past.
Terrorist Cakes
23-12-2006, 22:51
You should see A Very Long Engagement, Audrey Tatou, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, oh my god.

the first time a watched it i was ok, felt emotional, but no tears. then the next day walking into work with my mum i started telling her the plot - and cried then. but its not really depressing. she just never, sob, loses, sob, hope......

Oh, I've seen that one, too. I can't remember if I cried, but I still remember the ending. Elle le regarde...
The Pacifist Womble
23-12-2006, 23:51
Requiem for a Dream, Dancer in the Dark,
I agree completely. Dancer in the Dark is also my favourite film.