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I was strolling a site today and I came upon this creation story of the Chippewa tribe of Native Americans. It is their belief about how the earth was created. A lot of other Native American tribes have similar beliefs.

Is it me or is there a weird similarities with Native American creation beliefs and the creation story in Genesis? Is it possible that the Native Americans could have been closer to God than the European colonists and conquistadors?

Chippewas Creation Story:

Long ago the Creator sat alone in the darkness thinking, and with His thoughts formed Mother Earth. Then He covered Mother Earth lovingly with many trees, plants, and animals. The world He created was beautiful, yet he grew lonely. From the soil of the Earth, he formed the first man and the first woman and gave them tools to aid in their survival. To the man, He gave a bow and arrow for hunting. To the woman, he gave a basket for gathering seeds. He then blew life into each of them, first the woman, then the man. When the humans first lived, they accepted their duty to take care of Mother Earth, to not be greedy, and to give back equally what they had taken.

I will not post Genesis since I am sure you are already familiar with it. But can you see the similarities. It's almost identical to Genesis. And the Chippewas were being taught this thousands of years before the European missionaries even stepped foot in the Americas.

I was strolling a site today and I came upon this creation story of the Chippewa tribe of Native Americans. It is their belief about how the earth was created. A lot of other Native American tribes have similar beliefs.

Is it me or is there a weird similarities with Native American creation beliefs and the creation story in Genesis? Is it possible that the Native Americans could have been closer to God than the European colonists and conquistadors?

Chippewas Creation Story:

Long ago the Creator sat alone in the darkness thinking, and with His thoughts formed Mother Earth. Then He covered Mother Earth lovingly with many trees, plants, and animals. The world He created was beautiful, yet he grew lonely. From the soil of the Earth, he formed the first man and the first woman and gave them tools to aid in their survival. To the man, He gave a bow and arrow for hunting. To the woman, he gave a basket for gathering seeds. He then blew life into each of them, first the woman, then the man. When the humans first lived, they accepted their duty to take care of Mother Earth, to not be greedy, and to give back equally what they had taken.

I will not post Genesis since I am sure you are already familiar with it. But can you see the similarities. It's almost identical to Genesis. And the Chippewas were being taught this thousands of years before the European missionaries even stepped foot in the Americas.

According to the Mormons this is because Jesus visited them, they were the lost tribe of Israel, or some other such explanation.

I always did find Native Americans pretty awesome.

The other thing I find interesting is that the Native Americans were also waiting for the return of a man who fit the description of the Biblical Jesus to do for them what Jesus had promised to do when he lived in the middle east: return, impose world peace, defeat death, end suffering, and make everything new. Though they used a different name for their person.

Most creation stories run along the same lines: a god or gods create the world, then create people. How many variations can there be? The differences come from whether they have developed writing or not. If they have the details grow more complex.

The other thing I find interesting is that the Native Americans were also waiting for the return of a man who fit the description of the Biblical Jesus to do for them what Jesus had promised to do when he lived in the middle east: return, impose world peace, defeat death, end suffering, and make everything new. Though they used a different name for their person.

Only Mesoamericans, I'm not aware of that belief in other regions of the continent. The god is Quetzalcoatl for the Aztecs, or Kukulkan for the Maya. He is described as tall, white and bearded. There are many versions of the legend, but you'd be hard pressed to recognize Jesus except for a few details in any of them (starting by the symbol of the feathered snake).

According to the Mormons this is because Jesus visited them, they were the lost tribe of Israel, or some other such explanation.But then, who tf are the Mormons?

I was strolling a site today and I came upon this creation story of the Chippewa tribe of Native Americans. It is their belief about how the earth was created. A lot of other Native American tribes have similar beliefs.

Is it me or is there a weird similarities with Native American creation beliefs and the creation story in Genesis? Is it possible that the Native Americans could have been closer to God than the European colonists and conquistadors?

Chippewas Creation Story:

Long ago the Creator sat alone in the darkness thinking, and with His thoughts formed Mother Earth. Then He covered Mother Earth lovingly with many trees, plants, and animals. The world He created was beautiful, yet he grew lonely. From the soil of the Earth, he formed the first man and the first woman and gave them tools to aid in their survival. To the man, He gave a bow and arrow for hunting. To the woman, he gave a basket for gathering seeds. He then blew life into each of them, first the woman, then the man. When the humans first lived, they accepted their duty to take care of Mother Earth, to not be greedy, and to give back equally what they had taken.

I will not post Genesis since I am sure you are already familiar with it. But can you see the similarities. It's almost identical to Genesis. And the Chippewas were being taught this thousands of years before the European missionaries even stepped foot in the Americas.Genesis/Bereshit is no original creation story. It's a re-interpretation of much older creation stories, such as Sumerian and even (far) older ones. Maybe such earth-to-man creation stories were even around 25000 years ago when humans started to spread from Asia to America.

Many cultures and religions share descriptions of creation and the great flood. It really does make me think sometimes that their is a connection. It is a fascinating topic to say the least.

Many cultures and religions share descriptions of creation and the great flood. It really does make me think sometimes that their is a connection. It is a fascinating topic to say the least.

I've noticed that too. Almost every religion I have looked at, have at least one flood story like Noah's Ark.

According to the Mormons this is because Jesus visited them, they were the lost tribe of Israel, or some other such explanation.

Obviously Mormonism is the correct religion. I shall convert henceforth.

I also noticed that almost every culture has somthing with dragons. Now this has nothing to do with religion, I think it may have somthing to do with dinosoars. I have no clue though. Its just odd.

I also noticed that almost every culture has somthing with dragons. Now this has nothing to do with religion, I think it may have somthing to do with dinosoars. I have no clue though. Its just odd.

Where the dragons friends or foe?

Obviously Mormonism is the correct religion. I shall convert henceforth.

Yay now you get to wear magic underwear, never drink, smoke, do drugs, or marry or have sex with any black people! Also if you strictly follow the book of Mormons if you are a man, you become a God of your own planet, and if your a woman, well you just get to give birth after birth for all of eternity. However, if you tell us any of the Mormons secret, or *gasp* violate one of the many deadly sins, well your Mormon brothers and sisters get to kill you in the name of Blood Atonement!

You probably think I am making this up.

I'm not, seriously.

Yay now you get to wear magic underwear, never drink, smoke, do drugs, or marry or have sex with any black people! Also if you strictly follow the book of Mormons if you are a man, you become a God of your own planet, and if your a woman, well you just get to give birth after birth for all of eternity. However, if you tell us any of the Mormons secret, or *gasp* violate one of the many deadly sins, well your Mormon brothers and sisters get to kill you in the name of Blood Atonement!

You probably think I am making this up.

I'm not, seriously.

*Dons magic underwear*

Do your worst, sinful, temptation-filled material world.

Where the dragons friends or foe?

Both, depending where you lived....I guess. Like in China they are honored greatly but in Britain they are objects of fear.

Obviously Mormonism is the correct religion. I shall convert henceforth.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb (South Park reference)

Both, depending where you lived....I guess. Like in China they are honored greatly but in Britain they are objects of fear.

ahh, interesting. So far my favorite religion to study has been Asatru.

Yay now you get to wear magic underwear, never drink, smoke, do drugs, or marry or have sex with any black people! Also if you strictly follow the book of Mormons if you are a man, you become a God of your own planet, and if your a woman, well you just get to give birth after birth for all of eternity. However, if you tell us any of the Mormons secret, or *gasp* violate one of the many deadly sins, well your Mormon brothers and sisters get to kill you in the name of Blood Atonement!

You probably think I am making this up.

I'm not, seriously.

As a former Pope you know where I stand on Mormons.

As a former Pope you know where I stand on Mormons.

You....hate....them?

ahh, interesting. So far my favorite religion to study has been Asatru.

Have you given the Catholic Church a good study. I did and it converted me from atheism.

You....hate....them?

I don't hate them. I just think they are pretty silly.

Have you given the Catholic Church a good study. I did and it converted me from atheism.

I am Catholic lol.

I don't hate them. I just think they are pretty silly.

True, but the blood atonement, well that just scares the shit out of me.

I am Catholic lol.

:D

True, but the blood atonement, well that just scares the shit out of me.

What does it involve? I never heard of it before (not surprisingly).

What does it involve? I never heard of it before (not surprisingly).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

Basically you kill the sinner so that they may be saved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

Basically you kill the sinner so that they may be saved.

Wouldnt such a doctrine lead to one person killing another until their were no more people? :)

Wouldnt such a doctrine lead to one person killing another until their were no more people? :)

You would think, ah well. My philosophy is let people believe what they want to believe, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. God will sort is all out for us.

You would think, ah well. My philosophy is let people believe what they want to believe, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. God will sort is all out for us.

Well I would like it if everybody was a practicing Catholic but I don't think I will go around killing people to prove my point. Mormons are sort of funny.

Well I would like it if everybody was a practicing Catholic but I don't think I will go around killing people to prove my point. Mormons are sort of funny.

Yea, but Catholicism isn't the best for everyone, I mean we have to admit that. Whatever religion brings the person closes (or closer) to God is the correct one.

Yea, but Catholicism isn't the best for everyone, I mean we have to admit that. Whatever religion brings the person closes (or closer) to God is the correct one.

Ooh, very good response. That's an excellant attitude. But I still prefer Woody Allen's quote from the movie Scoop:

"I was born into the Hebrew persuasion, but when I became an adult, I converted to narcissism."

I've noticed that too. Almost every religion I have looked at, have at least one flood story like Noah's Ark.


Civilisation develops beside rivers. Rivers flood.


It's really just that simple.

I've been accused of being a Mormon, but they might have gotten the name wrong.

I've noticed that too. Almost every religion I have looked at, have at least one flood story like Noah's Ark.
I'd almost be willing to bet that the Touareg don't. ;)