NationStates Jolt Archive


Any communists here on NS?

Nova Aquaria
20-12-2006, 00:28
Just curious. Well?
Pyotr
20-12-2006, 00:29
Tons.
Dryks Legacy
20-12-2006, 00:31
This is the internet, if you can think of a belief, someone here believes it.
Pyotr
20-12-2006, 00:41
This is the internet, if you can think of a belief, someone here believes it.

even primitivism?
RLI Rides Again
20-12-2006, 00:44
Yep.
DHomme
20-12-2006, 00:45
No.
Free Soviets
20-12-2006, 00:47
even primitivism?

anarchyel is close, last i heard
Andaluciae
20-12-2006, 00:47
even primitivism?

Ironically enough, yes.
The Judas Panda
20-12-2006, 00:48
I believe that widespread digital piracy has resulted in a form of entertainment communism where media can be enjoyed by nearly all regardless of wealth or status. As long as they have a computer and an internet connection people can have access to almost limitless amounts of entertainment that they could not normally afford. So if that counts as communism then yeah.
RLI Rides Again
20-12-2006, 00:50
even primitivism?

Probably, he never said they had consistent beliefs.
DHomme
20-12-2006, 00:50
I believe that widespread digital piracy has resulted in a form of entertainment communism where media can be enjoyed by nearly all regardless of wealth or status. As long as they have a computer and an internet connection people can have access to almost limitless amounts of entertainment that they could not normally afford. So if that counts as communism then yeah.

A friend of mine believes that. He thinks wikipedia is the electronic predesessor of a soviet.
Call to power
20-12-2006, 00:52
no the communists have all bred with us Social democrats creating a hybrid race of democratic socialists like the Neanderthals

And primitivism FTW (just no anarchy:p )
Hallad
20-12-2006, 00:53
There are no communists here.

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Andaluciae
20-12-2006, 00:54
I believe that widespread digital piracy has resulted in a form of entertainment communism where media can be enjoyed by nearly all regardless of wealth or status. As long as they have a computer and an internet connection people can have access to almost limitless amounts of entertainment that they could not normally afford. So if that counts as communism then yeah.

On the inverse, every time, during my youth, that I was involved in downloading pirated music, I managed to cripple my computer with viruses.

Which, along side a moral belief in intellectual property rights that developed after I stopped being a bitchy little 16 year old, is a big reason that I no longer download pirated music.
Dryks Legacy
20-12-2006, 00:57
On the inverse, every time, during my youth, that I was involved in downloading pirated music, I managed to cripple my computer with viruses.

Which, along side a moral belief in intellectual property rights that developed after I stopped being a bitchy little 16 year old, is a big reason that I no longer download pirated music.

Considering that you're going to get viruses regardless. Maybe the 16 year old you should have invested in some decent anti-virus software.
Andaluciae
20-12-2006, 00:58
Considering that you're going to get viruses regardless. Maybe the 16 year old you should have invested in some decent anti-virus software.

Eh, I've been virus-free since I stopped downloading music.
Llewdor
20-12-2006, 01:05
A friend of mine believes that. He thinks wikipedia is the electronic predesessor of a soviet.
Which would be funny, given how many wikipedia editors identify themselves as anarcho-capitalists.
Nevered
20-12-2006, 01:22
I used to be, does that count?


I felt that people could not be truly free to pursue their own paths in life and free to do what they wished while they were faced with the choice between work and starvation. If the state provided the essentials, people could do what they wished with their lives instead of spending it all at a cash register or in a cubicle.


I still believe that if technology, automation, and computerization of factories advances far enough, we will no longer need manual laborers, and my 'ideal' society would be achieved.


however, I came to realize that a state of such utter dependency is not a utopia: people who are at the whim of the government for sustainment will never be free.
Mikeswill
20-12-2006, 01:24
I'm just a simple radical flower child pacifist

Love Conquers Fear
Bodies Without Organs
20-12-2006, 02:40
Statists? A couple, but they are few and far between.

Anarchos-? More than you could shake a proverbial stick at.
Jello Biafra
20-12-2006, 03:05
No, none at all. Why do you ask? <Hides the Manifesto in his pants.>
The Potato Factory
20-12-2006, 03:15
Communists on NS? It's like asking if there's oxygen on Earth.
New alchemy
20-12-2006, 04:08
I am fairly close to communist; I don't think communism would work because of the human conditition, however, I think we need a more regulated economy and we need to keep huge corperations and CEOs in check to make sure that they're really benifiting the people.
Congo--Kinshasa
20-12-2006, 04:09
Just curious. Well?

Yes, but no Stalinists, thankfully. Most or all of the communists I've seen are strongly anti-dictatorship and uncompromisingly libertarian on social issues.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 04:10
I am fairly close to communist; I don't think communism would work because of the human conditition, however, I think we need a more regulated economy and we need to keep huge corperations and CEOs in check to make sure that they're really benifiting the people.

Yet, CEOs and huge corporations don't want to benefit the people, they're not in that line of business to benefit the people, they're not the UN or UNICEF. CEOs and huge corporations are just there to sell a product and make lots of money. So far I do not see a problem with that. If that what people want to do, then let them. I could be a teacher, but I hate kids, so I'm going to be an archivist.
Dosuun
20-12-2006, 04:12
There are lots of commies here. Lefty's outnumber righty's on NSG.
Ginnoria
20-12-2006, 04:27
even primitivism?

He-Man have big stick! She-Woman is weak, good for nothing. Man kill wildebeast, Woman pick berry.
Daistallia 2104
20-12-2006, 04:46
Just curious. Well?

No. Not a single one.

even primitivism?

Online? Yes, heaps.
On NS? Yes, some.
Actively on NSG? Not so much, at least that I know of.

Yes, but no Stalinists, thankfully. Most or all of the communists I've seen are strongly anti-dictatorship and uncompromisingly libertarian on social issues.

I seem to recall one or two Stalinists. Can't think of their names at the moment, but I'm sure there've been some around.
Posi
20-12-2006, 04:53
Eh, I've been virus-free since I stopped downloading music.

I am virus free (on Windows) and download music.
Posi
20-12-2006, 04:57
I used to be a commie. Then I got a job working with the public and realized the majority of them cannot tell their ass from the paper they use to wipe it, so there is no chance of communism working.
Soviestan
20-12-2006, 06:19
This is the internet, if you can think of a belief, someone here believes it.

we have scientologists?
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 07:02
I used to like communism, but then I got a job, and I decided me keeping my money for my own selfish need was more important. :D
Posi
20-12-2006, 07:09
we have scientologists?

Pastafarians.
Posi
20-12-2006, 07:10
I used to like communism, but then I got a job, and I decided me keeping my money for my own selfish need was more important. :D

*points up the page*

My job showed me how stupid people are.
Free Soviets
20-12-2006, 07:11
Anarchos-? More than you could shake a proverbial stick at.

in fact, be careful with that stick as you're bound to hit one while shaking it. it's damn near crowded in here.
Italy 1914d
20-12-2006, 07:29
I resent the CotFSM being lumped with scientologists. Our belief is WAY cooler than there and equally believable.

As for commis, in what sense? I havent heard any honest to goodness Stalinists or Maoists, but there are plenty of socialists. Just look at all the NS with 98% income tax and higher for the wealthy.
La Habana Cuba
20-12-2006, 08:33
Just curious. Well?

LOL, Thats a good one, LOL.
The RSU
20-12-2006, 08:36
True Communist, but have yet to read The Communist Manifesto.
The RSU
20-12-2006, 08:37
As for commis, in what sense? I havent heard any honest to goodness Stalinists or Maoists, but there are plenty of socialists. Just look at all the NS with 98% income tax and higher for the wealthy.

Well, in NS because its more feasible people are able to be true Communists (or "Democratic Socialists" considering NS doesn't have a Communist one) and in real life there is Cuba.
Soheran
20-12-2006, 09:11
I'm a communist. There are plently more.

Man kill wildebeast, Woman pick berry.

Except there are lots more berries than there are wildebeasts, and a lot more time needs to be spent picking berries than hunting wildebeasts, so if Man gets too annoying, Man is screwed.
Risottia
20-12-2006, 09:11
Just curious. Well?

I for one. And a lot of other tovaris'i, I guess.
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:15
Except there are lots more berries than there are wildebeasts, and a lot more time needs to be spent picking berries than hunting wildebeasts, so if Man gets too annoying, Man is screwed.
No. Man hit woman with stick. Steal woman berries.
Soheran
20-12-2006, 09:20
No. Man hit woman with stick. Steal woman berries.

Yeah, that's a great way to get her to pick more.

Oh, wait. :rolleyes:
Kanabia
20-12-2006, 09:21
I'm a communist.

No. Man hit woman with stick. Steal woman berries.

But woman not give man zug-zug after that...
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:21
Yeah, that's a great way to get her to pick more.

Oh, wait. :rolleyes:

Man get another woman to pick berry for him. Man pick woman who is mute.
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:22
Yeah, that's a great way to get her to pick more.

Oh, wait. :rolleyes:
What I care? Many women. Not one. Me club more tomorrow.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:22
I'm a communist.



But woman not give man zug-zug after that...

Man go to loose woman next door for Zug Zug.
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:24
But woman not give man zug-zug after that...
That fine. Man zug-zug other woman. Use berry as gift.
Kanabia
20-12-2006, 09:24
Man go to loose woman next door for Zug Zug.

But woman next door not have cherry.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:26
But woman next door not have cherry.

Who cares, man is just there for Zug Zug.
Jello Biafra
20-12-2006, 09:28
What I care? Many women. Not one. Me club more tomorrow.Two women get together. Club you. Make it so you can't zug zug anymore.
Ginnoria
20-12-2006, 09:30
Who cares, man is just there for Zug Zug.

MAN LIKE ZUG ZUG!

Woman fetch man berry while man sit on animal pelt and make fat.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:31
Two women get together. Club you. Make it so you can't zug zug anymore.

Man hunt two women, man make them pay.
Kanabia
20-12-2006, 09:32
Two women get together. Club you. Make it so you can't zug zug anymore.

lol :p
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:32
Two women get together. Club you. Make it so you can't zug zug anymore.
Me get revenge. Me do same to all man. Woman have no man for zug-zug. Woman like zug-zug too.
Soheran
20-12-2006, 09:33
Man hunt two women, man make them pay.

Unlikely.

Violence is a losing strategy in this situation, and the reasons really aren't that hard to see.; it's a waste of time and resources, it carries with it immense risk, and so on. Violence only has the potential for large-scale success when it becomes organized.
Ginnoria
20-12-2006, 09:34
Me get revenge. Me do same to all man. Woman have no man for zug-zug. Woman like zug-zug too.

No, all mans from tribe make hardcore gang-bang zug zug with woman. Man videotape and sell on internet.
Kilobugya
20-12-2006, 09:34
Yeah, many of them. Me, for example :)
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:35
Unlikely.

Violence is a losing strategy in this situation, and the reasons really aren't that hard to see.; it's a waste of time and resources, it carries with it immense risk, and so on. Violence only has the potential for large-scale success when it becomes organized.

Me dumb. So don't care.
Soheran
20-12-2006, 09:37
Me dumb. So don't care.

Perhaps not, but then you and those like you would die quickly, and wouldn't be a problem.
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:37
Me dumb. So don't care.

Me like you. :)
Andaras Prime
20-12-2006, 09:38
I would classify myself as a Socialist.

I believe in a Welfare State very similar to the model employed by the Scandinavians, but far more restricted. It would allow state owned companies to operate as normal based on the profit motive like capitalism, but be taxed immensely by the state, everything would be. A large Government Regulatory body would allow employers from the companies to pay their workers set wages defined by the market etc, but that this govt body would assign 'social worth's to individual jobs and subsidise each workers wages accordingl, these subsidies would be paid via immense business and individual taxes, but the people wouldnt really notice as their wages will be higher.

Over time the stigma associated with such jobs as Public Servants and the community jobs would be lost as they are paid more, because they put more into society, while more greedy workers would end up with far less, thus shaping the society slowly over times to the mindset of communism.

I am also very much against democracy, mainly because the greedy and not yet indoctrinated people would 'vote out' the socialist path to communism. So in the socialist transition period (may take many many decades) a restrictive government will control the media and political stuff, etc. Of course consumer goods and the like will always be available for people to buy with their subsidized wages, and so people will try and help society more by better jobs of more 'social worth' to buy more consumer items.

This is using the capitalist mindframe of the population in the transition to produce a socialist and selfless result, and this will suffice until the population are more communist and less greedy, which will of course take a long time. I trust not the petty ever-changing whim of the 'mob' to simply vote out socialism, but I trust their deep aspirations, and so to do what is best for them.
Posi
20-12-2006, 09:40
Me like you. :)
Me club you. Man like man is bad! But-zug-zug is gross!
Wilgrove
20-12-2006, 09:41
Me club you. Man like man is bad! But-zug-zug is gross!

It's not bad, in fact, me please you better than woman. Me know what man wants. :p