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I'm not knocking Islam, Love of Allah, the name gave me a sudden thought.

Is it possible to love that which you submit to, or do you submit out of fear?

Well said.

I guess love is a very big thing to set rules for

Indeed, this is where the Christian and Muslim ideas of salvation seriously differ. The Muslim God doesnt seem to have made any kind of outreach of love to the human race, and simply expects love and obediance because of who he is, as opposed to the Christian God who asks for love because he showed love first.

Is it possible to love that which you submit to,

It's possible... that's why Amon-Ra invented S&M.


*leaves*

It's possible... that's why Amon-Ra invented S&M.


*leaves*

I thought the Marquis de Sade invented S&M.

Indeed, this is where the Christian and Muslim ideas of salvation seriously differ. The Muslim God doesnt seem to have made any kind of outreach of love to the human race, and simply expects love and obediance because of who he is, as opposed to the Christian God who asks for love because he showed love first.

Are we talking about the same Christian God? 'Cause the one I remember was going on and on about being a jealous God, and taking an eye for an eye, and making all kinds of Commandments, and sending Israel out to kill the Philistines and Phoenicians and Sumerians and shit... not very loving at all.

'Course, Jesus was a bit different, but even so he isn't technically God, but rather the Son of God. While according to the principles of the Trinity they're part of the same whole, Jesus still counts as a different thing, especially since the beliefs he expressed were so different from dad's.

Just sayin'.

Only the modern version. S&M has been around for a lot longer than old Mr Sodomy as it amuses me to call him.

I thought the Marquis de Sade invented S&M.

Nah, we just named half of it after him.

Indeed, this is where the Christian and Muslim ideas of salvation seriously differ. The Muslim God doesnt seem to have made any kind of outreach of love to the human race, and simply expects love and obediance because of who he is, as opposed to the Christian God who asks for love because he showed love first.

please give me some proof the Muslim God does not show love for humanity in fact the Muslim God is much nicer to non-believers which is allot better then casting them down to a pit

please give me some proof the Muslim God does not show love for humanity in fact the Muslim God is much nicer to non-believers which is allot better then casting them down to a pit

Well, the Muslim God asks his followers to kill, rape, and enslave non-believers, so He doesn't have to get His hands dirty.

Hey everybody, this seems thread seems to be a decendant of the Love of Allah's thread. I am now accepting "Bashing" at that location.

I've not read the Koran, but from what I've learned by talking to people, it seems that there is no guarantee of salvation. You can give your life to the the Islamic God and die in his name, but whether or not you get damnation is solely at his whim.

Are we talking about the same Christian God? 'Cause the one I remember was going on and on about being a jealous God, and taking an eye for an eye, and making all kinds of Commandments, and sending Israel out to kill the Philistines and Phoenicians and Sumerians and shit... not very loving at all.

'Course, Jesus was a bit different, but even so he isn't technically God, but rather the Son of God. While according to the principles of the Trinity they're part of the same whole, Jesus still counts as a different thing, especially since the beliefs he expressed were so different from dad's.

Just sayin'.

I'm pretty sure a lot of Christian sects consider Jesus and God to be one and the same. If I recall my Christian high school days correctly (only two years ago heh...) "God" is three things: the father, the son and the holy spirit.

Well, the Muslim God asks his followers to kill, rape, and enslave non-believers, so He doesn't have to get His hands dirty.

And the other western gods are all warm and fuzzy? If you want a god who is consistantly against doing evil, look east. The Muslim god is the Christian God, is the Jewish God.

I've not read the Koran, but from what I've learned by talking to people, it seems that there is no guarantee of salvation. You can give your life to the the Islamic God and die in his name, but whether or not you get damnation is solely at his whim.

Ok first it hurts your argument that you have not read the Qu'ran. (Although I have read the Qu'ran so I'm going to provide you all with some Qu'ran versus about this point) Secondly you can give your life for anything because you have free will (although Jihad in Islam at least in the Qur'an is well defined as a physical war so don't believe those people on TV saying its an inner struggle). And thirdly salvation isn't ever known by anyone we cannot know the mind of God.

I personally believe Allah is different from God because the Judo/Christian God allows us to choose hell or heaven a couple of ways, by choosing to love others. Allah on the other hand "leads those astray whom he wishes", and in that respect is a sick and demented God.

"And make ready for them whatever you can of fighting men and horses, to terrify thereby the enemies of Allah and your enemy, as well as others besides them whom you do not know, but Allah knows well. Everything you spend in the Path of Allah will be repaid in full, and you will never be wronged" -Surah 8:60 Al-Anfal (Path of Allah is Jihad)

"Does not Allah suffice His servant? Yet they frighten you with those apart from Him (idols). Whomever Allah leads astray will have no other guide. And whomever Allah guides none will lead astray. Is not Allah All-mighty, Vengeful?" Surah 39:36-37 Az-Zumar

And the other western gods are all warm and fuzzy? If you want a god who is consistantly against doing evil, look east. The Muslim god is the Christian God, is the Jewish God.

I didn't say they were all warm and fuzzy. Just saying that the Muslim god seems pretty nasty to me.

I didn't say they were all warm and fuzzy. Just saying that the Muslim god seems pretty nasty to me.

Frankly, the Old Testament God is pretty nasty, too. Flood, pillars of salt and all that. The OT God is one of vengeance and wrath.

Not that I give two shits, honestly, since I view them all as myths.

Indeed, this is where the Christian and Muslim ideas of salvation seriously differ. The Muslim God doesnt seem to have made any kind of outreach of love to the human race, and simply expects love and obediance because of who he is, as opposed to the Christian God who asks for love because he showed love first.

So the Muslim God is an actual extension of the Jewish God?

Is it possible to love that which you submit to, or do you submit out of fear?
Is it possible? Sure. Why not? I loved my parents back when I pretty much submitted to them unconditionally (because, as a small child, I couldn't really conceive of rebeling against them in any significant way).

It's possible to love that which you submit to. Hell, it's possible to love that which you submit to even if it's abusive and treats you like crap and very clearly doesn't love you back.

It's possible to love for lots of great reasons and with lots of wonderful results. It's also possible to love for stupid reasons, or to love even though it's a rotten idea with lousy consequences. Love doesn't necessarily mean things are going to work out.

I didn't say they were all warm and fuzzy. Just saying that the Muslim god seems pretty nasty to me.

Okay, that I agree with, but they all seem pretty nasty to me.

I'm not knocking Islam, Love of Allah, the name gave me a sudden thought.

Is it possible to love that which you submit to, or do you submit out of fear?

yes, it's possible to love that which you submit to.

Only the modern version. S&M has been around for a lot longer than old Mr Sodomy as it amuses me to call him.

Sooo what do we think of the blue ones then, do they really taste diferant?

Is it possible? Sure. Why not? I loved my parents back when I pretty much submitted to them unconditionally (because, as a small child, I couldn't really conceive of rebeling against them in any significant way).

It's possible to love that which you submit to. Hell, it's possible to love that which you submit to even if it's abusive and treats you like crap and very clearly doesn't love you back.

It's possible to love for lots of great reasons and with lots of wonderful results. It's also possible to love for stupid reasons, or to love even though it's a rotten idea with lousy consequences. Love doesn't necessarily mean things are going to work out.



Ahhh thank you Bottle.

Sooo what do we think of the blue ones then, do they really taste diferant?

Blue ones were da bomb I used to separate them from the rest and then devour them all at once. Oh happy days.

The flood.

Pillar of salt

Plagues


See that is the thing about humanity

God says "Straigthen up, don't mess around, or else"

Humanity says "Or else what, prove it"

Boom

How many damn time to you have be told let the people go? Frogs, locust, water to blood,

Okay that is it bring out the big guns

Angel of Death

The flood might have been due to the Watchers and even spookier story...

Sooo what do we think of the blue ones then, do they really taste diferant?

Hehehe .... that gave me a chuckle. :D

I'm not knocking Islam, Love of Allah, the name gave me a sudden thought.

Is it possible to love that which you submit to, or do you submit out of fear?
God wants His followers to submit to His will out of love. And I'm sure we mostly do.

I would like to clarify one thing here, and that is the fact that there is only one God whom Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in different manners. I just thought it'd be good to point that out because of the reference to Allah as "Muslims God" or such things alike. We have no seperate Gods, we all believe the same eternal being, in different ways.

Im sure you all knew this, but yea...

Hehehe .... that gave me a chuckle. :D

Ahhh then my job here is indeed done!

Allah is the standard Arabic word for “God”.

The Holy Trinity, thus whole Allāh is consisted from Abu-Father, Bin-Son, and Ruh-Spirit

I would like to clarify one thing here, and that is the fact that there is only one God whom Muslims, Christians and Jews believe in different manners. I just thought it'd be good to point that out because of the reference to Allah as "Muslims God" or such things alike. We have no seperate Gods, we all believe the same eternal being, in different ways.

Im sure you all knew this, but yea...


I totaly agree! And I'm Sikh!

I totaly agree! And I'm Sikh!

So was Jesus! "Sikh and ye shall find"

ba-dum-chik!

I think that this is the big "puzzle". If we all believe in the same "God" why do we kill each other?

I think that this is the big "puzzle". If we all believe in the same "God" why do we kill each other?

Simply because each side wants the other sides to follow its way of believing in God.

No crusades

No 9/11

No inquisition

The world would be a different place

please give me some proof the Muslim God does not show love for humanity in fact the Muslim God is much nicer to non-believers which is allot better then casting them down to a pit

Well he has never suffered for their sake, unlike the Christian God.

And the other western gods are all warm and fuzzy? If you want a god who is consistantly against doing evil, look east. The Muslim god is the Christian God, is the Jewish God.

*looks east* Well I see Hinduism... nothing against evil...... Buddhism, no gods there... (the Mahayana bodhisattva aren't gods).... taoism... nope... nothing there.... Shinto, quite fickle are the kami.

Nope, no gods against doing evil

The god as it was in early Judaism was ambivalent and both evil and good, as is the nature of the world... than came catholicism and judaism responded in dividing god to evil and good.... bah, modern judaism is a form of judaism that was created because of christianity

The Islamic concept of salvation is simply the number of good deeds you do versus the bad.

I think that this is the big "puzzle". If we all believe in the same "God" why do we kill each other?
Because they don't . . .
The differences between Islamic, Christian and Jewish theology go far beyond a simple dispute over whether Jesus was divine, divinely inspired or crazy.

Don't lie

Don't cheat

Don't steal

Don't commit adultry

Keep the sabbath holy (whatever day that is)

Honor your motherand Father

Have only one God

Don't worship Idols / Graven images

Don't bare false witness

Don't take the lord's name in vain

Don't kill

Don't covet


People are more important than things or possessions

Treat everyone else as you would like to be treated

Share what you have with someone who does not have

All these things are common

Old Testament exactly the same called different things. Most of the players are the same in each book.


Budda was more about the here and now. All these 3 were about the life eternal.

There is way more the same than is different.

Wasn't "Allah" the name of a moon deity worshipped by the Meccans before Mohammed conquered them? That would explain why the crescent moon is an Islamic symbol.

Wasn't "Allah" the name of a moon deity worshipped by the Meccans before Mohammed conquered them? That would explain why the crescent moon is an Islamic symbol.

Allah means god in Arabic, not in reference to any specific deity, the Star and Crescent is an old Ottoman symbol, which was associated with Islam in general later on.