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http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

okay, all puns aside, i remember someone in this forum referring to a 'female-biased feminist' as a feminazi, and i was wondering - how many people actually work with or under one?

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work. mind you, i work a freakin pizza store and im now a manager as well, but wouldnt you get tired of this? especially when the women usually get raises more often because they are in the more often-noticed positions... and even if they totally suck at their job.

An English teacher at my school, I haven't had her... yet.

If there was one thing I could change about he it would be that she would wear a bra for the FSMs sakes,

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

okay, all puns aside, i remember someone in this forum referring to a 'female-biased feminist' as a feminazi, and i was wondering - how many people actually work with or under one?

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work.

Exactly what the Nazi party did when it took power. You are vindicated. Oh wait...

I hate feminism.


EQUAL RIGHTS. EQUAL PUNISHMENT.


I positively despise the idea, along with affirmative action.

I hate feminism.


EQUAL RIGHTS. EQUAL PUNISHMENT.

These two statements are contradictory.

These two statements are contradictory.

Nay.

Women currently have equal rights, but get away with more.

rearrage the letters in MOTHER INLAW and you can spell WOMAN HITLER

rearrage the letters in MOTHER INLAW and you can spell WOMAN HITLER

:D
:fluffle: :fluffle:

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work.That sounds awfully much like the old fashioned role models, rather than anything like feminism. A feminist would say women are just as good at doing the tough labopr.

That sounds awfully much like the old fashioned role models, rather than anything like feminism. A feminist would say women are just as good at doing the tough labopr.

Yes, and then proclaim that because they rock they shouldnt do it, but get payed just as much as men for watching.

Feminism-Evil
Equality-Good
Feminism =/= Equality

That sounds awfully much like the old fashioned role models, rather than anything like feminism. A feminist would say women are just as good at doing the tough labopr.

look, thats what im saying. by saying that only men do tough labor she's implying that women don't have to or arent cut out for tough labor.

feminists want equality; feminazis want maternalism

Oh, Bottle, wherefore art thou? I can't be bothered myself.

An English teacher at my school, I haven't had her... yet.

If there was one thing I could change about he it would be that she would wear a bra for the FSMs sakes,

And how old is she?

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work. mind you, i work a freakin pizza store and im now a manager as well, but wouldnt you get tired of this? especially when the women usually get raises more often because they are in the more often-noticed positions... and even if they totally suck at their job.

That happens pretty much everywhere in my experience, if heavy lifting is involved, whether there are male or female managers.

That happens pretty much everywhere in my experience, if heavy lifting is involved, whether there are male or female managers.

Yeah, I was just gunna say this.

lfeminists want equality; feminazis want maternalism

Maternalism: the quality of having or showing the tenderness and warmth and affection of or befitting a mother; "the girl's motherliness made her invaluable in caring for the children"

???

Grasping for the term 'matriarchy', perchance?

What the OP is describing is not a feminist. She's an asshole. There can be a difference.

On a related note, I'd like to retire "feminazi" and replace it with a more accurate and telling neologism for rampant matriarchal horseshit disguising itself as equality. Women who think equality means aping the worst traits of men are part of a terrorist organization I call Lezbollah. I think that fits better than feminazi. It has the added benefit of not being invented by that meatsack mike jockey, Rush Limbaugh.

And how old is she?

Older than I care to know,

The problem with a lot of modern day feminism is that it has passed the point of equality, som feminists seem to want better treatment.

You can either be treated equally or treated the same. Not both.

You can either be treated equally or treated the same. Not both.


WTF?

WTF?

Equality is not the same as identical treatment. In an equal system people would be treated according to need and ability, but in a system of identical treatment everyone does the same, gets the same, etc regardless of circumstances.

Sorry, but women are still yet to attain equality. Sure we've had things like the Sex Discrimination Act but it didn't do much good. 30 years on and women mostly still get paid less than men (for doing the same jobs!)

What the OP is describing is not a feminist. She's an asshole. There can be a difference.

On a related note, I'd like to retire "feminazi" and replace it with a more accurate and telling neologism for rampant matriarchal horseshit disguising itself as equality. Women who think equality means aping the worst traits of men are part of a terrorist organization I call Lezbollah. I think that fits better than feminazi. It has the added benefit of not being invented by that meatsack mike jockey, Rush Limbaugh.

I lol'd.

Equality is not the same as identical treatment. In an equal system people would be treated according to need and ability, but in a system of identical treatment everyone does the same, gets the same, etc regardless of circumstances.

One of the legal hallmarks for measuring "equality" in the US, especially in the realm of affirmative action (employment, advancement, hiring, school admissions) is the concept of "equal outcomes".

Say there is a minority with a population that represents 20 percent of the overall population.

If you have a company, over a certain size, and 20 percent of your management is not of that minority, and 20 percent of your employees are not of that minority (i.e., they are underrepresented), you are discriminating against them, whether you know it or not.

And it's your fault, regardless of how it came to pass, and you can be sued for it.

The problem with a lot of modern day feminism is that it has passed the point of equality, som feminists seem to want better treatment.

You can either be treated equally or treated the same. Not both.

So goes the phrase that I said a while ago:

"I believe in being equal, not feminism."

One of the legal hallmarks for measuring "equality" in the US, especially in the realm of affirmative action (employment, advancement, hiring, school admissions) is the concept of "equal outcomes".

Say there is a minority with a population that represents 20 percent of the overall population.

If you have a company, over a certain size, and 20 percent of your management is not of that minority, and 20 percent of your employees are not of that minority (i.e., they are underrepresented), you are discriminating against them, whether you know it or not.

And it's your fault, regardless of how it came to pass, and you can be sued for it.

Thats not being treated identically. If those minority workers take the jobs of others who are more qualified, then they are in fact recieving special treatment, the question that must be asked is whether or not the fact that they are part of a minority group is a valid circumstance to justify special treatment. Personally I don't think so.

We have the same problem in the UK.

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

okay, all puns aside, i remember someone in this forum referring to a 'female-biased feminist' as a feminazi, and i was wondering - how many people actually work with or under one?

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work. mind you, i work a freakin pizza store and im now a manager as well, but wouldnt you get tired of this? especially when the women usually get raises more often because they are in the more often-noticed positions... and even if they totally suck at their job.
Honestly, folks, there is nothing more boring than repetative stupidity.

A person who believes that special treatment should be awarded based on gender is THE OPPOSITE OF A FEMINIST. Seriously. That's the freaking opposite of what the word means. They aren't some version of feminist. They're not a "female-biased feminist." They are AN ANTI-FEMINIST.

If you dislike anti-feminism, good! So do feminists! Kindly remove your head from your ass, though, and stop calling anti-feminism feminism.

Feminism is the belief in the social and political EQUALITY of the sexes. It is the belief that an individual shouldn't be awarded perks or hit with penalties based on their gender.

If somebody is advocating that women receive special treatment because they are women, they ARE NOT A FEMINIST. Even if the person advocating this is female! Yes, female human beings can be anti-feminist! It happens more than you might expect.

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

okay, all puns aside, i remember someone in this forum referring to a 'female-biased feminist' as a feminazi, and i was wondering - how many people actually work with or under one?

my store manager is one. i actually heard her tell another female manager how she wanted all of the guys doing the tough labor and all of the girls doing the dainty, up front work. mind you, i work a freakin pizza store and im now a manager as well, but wouldnt you get tired of this? especially when the women usually get raises more often because they are in the more often-noticed positions... and even if they totally suck at their job.

I don't know what you mean by a feminist but I know many people that want men and women to have the same opportunities, equal wages and so on. I think so to. Therefore I think that women should get larger raises so the difference between mens and womens wages will get smaller. And I'm convinced that women don't suck at their jobs more often than men.

Thats not being treated identically. If those minority workers take the jobs of others who are more qualified, then they are in fact recieving special treatment, the question that must be asked is whether or not the fact that they are part of a minority group is a valid circumstance to justify special treatment. Personally I don't think so.

We have the same problem in the UK.

you know the old joke with a boss that has to fire one of his employees.
So he tells them that and a woman steps up and goes
"You try to fire me, I'll have every female rights group at your back, it would be clear gender discrimination"
An old guy in his early sixites goes:
"You try to fire me sonny boy I'll have every elderly rights group at your ass, you'll be fired yourself I tell you. It would be clear discrimination of the elderly!"
And the black guy looks at him and laughs
"Man you don't even want to go there, I'll have protests in front of the building, it would be clear racial discrimination"
So only one left was a single white man, only one from them who had masters degree, and biggest expert. He looks around desperatly and then looks at the manager and says
"I think I might be gay..."

you know the old joke with a boss that has to fire one of his employees.
So he tells them that and a woman steps up and goes
"You try to fire me, I'll have every female rights group at your back, it would be clear gender discrimination"
An old guy in his early sixites goes:
"You try to fire me sonny boy I'll have every elderly rights group at your ass, you'll be fired yourself I tell you. It would be clear discrimination of the elderly!"
And the black guy looks at him and laughs
"Man you don't even want to go there, I'll have protests in front of the building, it would be clear racial discrimination"
So only one left was a single white man, only one from them who had masters degree, and biggest expert. He looks around desperatly and then looks at the manager and says
"I think I might be gay..."

Good one

One of the legal hallmarks for measuring "equality" in the US, especially in the realm of affirmative action (employment, advancement, hiring, school admissions) is the concept of "equal outcomes".

Say there is a minority with a population that represents 20 percent of the overall population.

If you have a company, over a certain size, and 20 percent of your management is not of that minority, and 20 percent of your employees are not of that minority (i.e., they are underrepresented), you are discriminating against them, whether you know it or not.

And it's your fault, regardless of how it came to pass, and you can be sued for it.

What if the minority as a whole is poorer than average and therefore less able to afford an education and be qualified to work for specific jobs?

What if there are less people of a particular minority in the area where the company operates than in the country as a whole?

What if, by freak chance, there just happen to be better workers from an ethnic majority than the minority in the are where the company operates?

I'm all for getting rid of racism, but to say just because a compnay doesnt have a certain number of minorities, its racist, is stupid.

What if the minority as a whole is poorer than average and therefore less able to afford an education and be qualified to work for specific jobs?

What if there are less people of a particular minority in the area where the company operates than in the country as a whole?

What if, by freak chance, there just happen to be better workers from an ethnic majority than the minority in the are where the company operates?

I'm all for getting rid of racism, but to say just because a compnay doesnt have a certain number of minorities, its racist, is stupid.

Thats the point. PC people today think that equality can be enforced. But instead what they are doing is creating resentment.
Imagine you are part of majority. You have better education, better experience, better talent for the work. BUT you lose job place to a guy who has half your experience, years of education less then you and no paticular talent, because he is majority and your company HAS to hire minority.
Is that equality?

I think you need to keep in mind that feminism isn't just about fixing unjust laws but also attacking socially ingrained prejudices, even unconscious ones.

Nay.

Women currently have equal rights, but get away with more.

Rubbish.Find one example of women getting away with something that a man didn't.And there are still examples in the UK of women getting less pay than men for the same job.
I'm a man,by the way.

Oy. Not another one.

Feminism is all about the equality of the sexes, both socially and politically. It is not about the superiority of women. A person who believes in the superiority of women is not a feminist.

Clear?

What if the minority as a whole is poorer than average and therefore less able to afford an education and be qualified to work for specific jobs?

What if there are less people of a particular minority in the area where the company operates than in the country as a whole?

What if, by freak chance, there just happen to be better workers from an ethnic majority than the minority in the are where the company operates?

I'm all for getting rid of racism, but to say just because a compnay doesnt have a certain number of minorities, its racist, is stupid.

I didn't write the stupid equal opportunity laws in the US.

If I have a company with 500 employees, and 17 percent of them aren't black, I can expect a visit from the local NAACP with the threat of a lawsuit.

Even if I've made every attempt to hire as many blacks as possible.

In some areas (like the DC Metro area), this is a common shakedown for "donations" to the NAACP.

Rubbish.Find one example of women getting away with something that a man didn't.And there are still examples in the UK of women getting less pay than men for the same job.
I'm a man,by the way.

Not to mention the millions of British women who are facing poverty after retirement because of the way that pensions are organised. Equality isn't here yet.

Honestly, folks, there is nothing more boring than repetative stupidity.

A person who believes that special treatment should be awarded based on gender is THE OPPOSITE OF A FEMINIST. Seriously. That's the freaking opposite of what the word means. They aren't some version of feminist. They're not a "female-biased feminist." They are AN ANTI-FEMINIST.

If you dislike anti-feminism, good! So do feminists! Kindly remove your head from your ass, though, and stop calling anti-feminism feminism.

Feminism is the belief in the social and political EQUALITY of the sexes. It is the belief that an individual shouldn't be awarded perks or hit with penalties based on their gender.

If somebody is advocating that women receive special treatment because they are women, they ARE NOT A FEMINIST. Even if the person advocating this is female! Yes, female human beings can be anti-feminist! It happens more than you might expect.

:fluffle:

I have met good feminist who truly believed in having equal rights and removing socially ingrained prejudices...even when those social discrepancies and prejudices were unequal in a way that was detrimental to only males. (Men being expected to pay a disproportionate amount in any romantic relationship comes to my mind but there was much more.)

I must say, they got a lot of men on their side (for all feminist issues), since they were not driven away by hypocrisy that seems so common in the more vocal feminist. I have encountered a lot of those.

What the OP is describing is not a feminist. She's an asshole. There can be a difference.

On a related note, I'd like to retire "feminazi" and replace it with a more accurate and telling neologism for rampant matriarchal horseshit disguising itself as equality. Women who think equality means aping the worst traits of men are part of a terrorist organization I call Lezbollah. I think that fits better than feminazi. It has the added benefit of not being invented by that meatsack mike jockey, Rush Limbaugh.

Heh heh. Roflcopter.

A term coined by a hard right hypocritical drug addict who likes to make fun of the crippled becomes accepted as mainstream.

Sad.

Discrimination, as it should be defined, is when someone who meets all the requirements for a position as the position is advertised and is not hired BECAUSE OF X, where X = gender, race, religion, sexuality, etc.

These so-called civil rights defense groups like LULAC, NAACP, AARP, NOW and such are doing their own constituencies a hige disservice by mandating that companies and the government ensure that their employees reflect the racial, gender, etc., balance of the nation when it's not always possible because of factors ragning from geography (not many blacks in, say North Dakota, for example) to degree requirements or competency.

If two people are the final candidates for the same job, and they are identically qualified (which is so rare that I can't find any stats on it...then again, I'm no storehouse of where to look after a few BLS searches), should historically repressed minorities be given that preference? All other things being as equal as possible, I can't say I know the answer to that question.

Seems to me that I'd put them both on probation, and whoever does the best work in 6 monts gets the job. But who's to say that the rest of the employees would or wouldn't make it more difficult for the minority candidate if they're not used to being around someone from a given minority?

I guess my point is that this issue is far too complex to yield to a simplistic response, which is pretty much what affirmative action is. Are there public schools which, as a result of poor funding, staffing or other disadvantages, turn out those who ill-prepared for jobs or colleges that lead to prosperity? I don't doubt it. But that problem is not something you can just throw money at and expect a solution.

All I know is that I want to be judged on the merits of my contribution or potential contribution to the organization to which I've applied. I would feel like shit if I were selected as an inferior candidate just because I'm X.

well in my town it seem you have to be woman before you can get a decent job

Yes, and then proclaim that because they rock they shouldnt do it, but get payed just as much as men for watching.

Feminism-Evil
Equality-Good
Feminism =/= EqualityWrong.
Feminism= Equality
Loony man-hater =/= Feminist

well in my town it seem you have to be woman before you can get a decent job

"Seems"?

So, do you know this for a fact? Have you tried to get a job, possessing the same qualifications as a woman for a job not suited specifically to a woman (stripper, Hooters girl, swimsuit model, etc.), and been rejected specifically because you're a man?

If you can answer "yes" honestly and back it up, I'll agree with you. If you can't, you're spitballing and need to look into things a bit more before coming out for or against something.

Of course, that's just my opinion....

A term coined by a hard right hypocritical drug addict who likes to make fun of the crippled becomes accepted as mainstream.

Sad.
That moron couldn't have possibly invented it alone.