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America needs to cut down on its CO2 emissions, because its responsible for about 25% of the carbon dioxide emissions around the world. They need to find more renewable energy sources like wind farms. Like Britain have been!!!!!

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America needs to cut down on its CO2 emissions, because its responsible for about 25% of the carbon dioxide emissions around the world

how?

and 200 times that amount is belched out every time a volcano erupts.

By helping people to save energy and use cars less. And volcanoes erupt rarely. not as often as cars move about

and 200 times that amount is belched out every time a volcano erupts.

don't repeat stupid nonsense

Ooohhhkaaayyyy, that's nice. I thought this would be a serious (however serious you can actually get in NSG) thread about climate change, but instead it is ZOMG THERS A LOT OF CO2 COMING FROM A LARGE INDUSTRIALIZED NATION!

I agree, we need to cut back some, but ya gotta give more evidance than that.

And personally, I don't mind all too much that it's a week before Christmas and I haven't seen an inch of snow here in Albany, New York. Especially since I have to walk across the street to get to Spanish. That isn't fun in a cold winter.

don't repeat stupid nonsense

Explain please.

They need to find more renewable energy sources like wind farms. Like Britain have been!!!!!

wind farms are wank to find out why clicky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465941)

and Britain has also began decommissioning its nuclear plants so lets not have our great nation as an example...

What More Evidence Do You Need Than The Planet Heating Up By About 1 Degree!!!!

What More Evidence Do You Need Than The Planet Heating Up By About 1 Degree!!!!

Please Dont Type Like This.

Please Dont Type Like This.

By helping people to save energy and use cars less. And volcanoes erupt rarely. not as often as cars move about

volcanoes are always erupting what your thinking is super volcanoes and when they go off where fucked regardless

And personally, I don't mind all too much that it's a week before Christmas and I haven't seen an inch of snow here in Albany, New York. Especially since I have to walk across the street to get to Spanish. That isn't fun in a cold winter.

the weather has been pleasant in the U.K as well just that little chill reminding you its winter in fact in the morning I can wear a T-shirt indoors!

What More Evidence Do You Need Than The Planet Heating Up By About 1 Degree!!!!

The planet still recovering from the Ice Age?

The planet was warming up slowly before CO2 was a problem, and we have sped the process up.

And don't single out the US.

What More Evidence Do You Need Than The Planet Heating Up By About 1 Degree!!!!

maybe some evidence about carbon emissions being directly linked to global warming like this pirate one:

http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg

maybe some evidence about carbon emissions being directly linked to global warming like this pirate one:

http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg

Damn you! I wanted to post that! :D

America needs to cut down on its CO2 emissions, because its responsible for about 25% of the carbon dioxide emissions around the world. They need to find more renewable energy sources like wind farms. Like Britain have been!!!!!
yes

Explain please.

what you said is trivially false, the numbers can be easily checked. it only has legs because noted climatologist/drug addicted hypocritical liar rush limbaugh said it a bunch of times. however, people that actually know what they are talking about (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html) have repeatedly pointed out that:


Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!

America needs to cut down on its CO2 emissions, because its responsible for about 25% of the carbon dioxide emissions around the world. They need to find more renewable energy sources like wind farms. Like Britain have been!!!!!
More like 36% (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3143798.stm#us).

the weather has been pleasant in the U.K as well just that little chill reminding you its winter in fact in the morning I can wear a T-shirt indoors!

Actually, it's still very much fall.

The planet still recovering from the Ice Age?

actual the Earth is fluctuating during ye old medieval times it was much much hotter than today (a good indicator of how long we have till the gulf stream goes kaput is by how close northern European climate gets to North Africa’s) whereas once we get into ye young colonial times there was a mini ice age and the river Thames froze over in winter (very rare occurrence)

What More Evidence Do You Need Than The Planet Heating Up By About 1 Degree!!!!
I would need:

1. Evidence that it's our fault.

2. Evidence that we have the power to fix it.

3. Evidence that emissions reduction is the most efficient means of fixing it.

The global warming alarmists are usually pretty good at 1 and 2. It's 3 where they fail.

Actually, it's still very much fall.

no it isn't. winter start either in november or the beginning of december.

during ye old medieval times it was much much hotter than today

incorrect

no it isn't. winter start either in november or the beginning of december.

I always thought winter started in November myself (though I’m British so our winter starts in late October to be fair)

Oklahoma would be the perfect place for wind farms. The Texas panhandle and western Oklahoma are the windiest places I've ever been.

incorrect

damn I thought nobody would notice my doo doo

no it isn't. winter start either in november or the beginning of december.

The official start of winter this year is december 21st. http://home.earthlink.net/~ellozy/winter-start-end.html

The official start of winter this year is december 21st. http://home.earthlink.net/~ellozy/winter-start-end.html

no, it isn't

the winter solstice is the shortest day of the year - it has nothing to do with the start of winter. in fact, it's associated with midwinter festivals.

no, it isn't

the winter solstice is the shortest day of the year - it has nothing to do with the start of winter. in fact, it's associated with midwinter festivals.
Yes, the solstice is midwinter. It's also the first day of winter.

The nomenclature doesn't make sense. Deal with it.

Yes, the solstice is midwinter. It's also the first day of winter.

on what grounds is it the first day of winter? what does winter mean?

no, it isn't

the winter solstice is the shortest day of the year - it has nothing to do with the start of winter. in fact, it's associated with midwinter festivals.
Yes it is. If you don't like that the season changes on the 21st, take it up with astronomers and god.

Yes it is. If you don't like that the season changes on the 21st, take it up with astronomers and god.

neither god nor astronomers declared that winter starts nearly in january. nor would they, as that would be stupid.

neither god nor astronomers declared that winter starts nearly in january. nor would they, as that would be stupid.

Seeing as that has been the official start of winter for quite some time i would have to guess that you are wrong. Just let it go, you learn something new everyday.

Seeing as that has been the official start of winter for quite some time i would have to guess that you are wrong.

official according to who? 'cause the u.s. national weather service says winter is the months of dec, jan, and feb. with fall being sept, oct, and nov, and spring being mar, apr, may. i leave summer as an exercise to the reader.

Seeing as that has been the official start of winter for quite some time i would have to guess that you are wrong. Just let it go, you learn something new everyday.

It may be the "official" start in the US but not in the rest of the world...


This means that winter Down Under in Australia runs from June 1 through Aug. 31 and summer from Dec. 1 through Feb. 28 (29th in leap years). This is true of all of Australia, including Western Australia.

While you often hear that winter "officially" begins on Dec. 21 or 22, I've never been able to find anything that makes this date, which is the Northern Hemisphere's winter solstice, any kind of "official" date.

Meteorologists in the USA consider the seasons to run from beginnings to ends of months. Among other things, this makes seasonal records easier to keep and averages easier to figure out.

Australia's meteorologists think the same way, but with the seasons reversed.

official according to who? 'cause the u.s. national weather service says winter is the months of dec, jan, and feb. with fall being sept, oct, and nov, and spring being mar, apr, may. i leave summer as an exercise to the reader.

How is dec 21st not in december?

It may be the "official" start in the US but not in the rest of the world...

Unfourtunately, Australians are not in any way important.:D

It may be the "official" start in the US but not in the rest of the world...

its not even official here. just sloppy thinking and silly confusions over half-remembered bits of trivia, i think. probably has made its way onto more than a few calendars though, which doesn't help.

How is dec 21st not in december?

since, as i mentioned, fall ends with november, what season do you think that they think december 1st through 20th are part of? wintumn?

From the American Heritage Dictionary:
win-ter n.
The usually coldest season of the year, occurring between autumn and spring, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the winter solstice to the vernal equinox

its not even official here. just sloppy thinking and silly confusions over half-remembered bits of trivia, i think. probably has made its way onto more than a few calendars though, which doesn't help.

Wiki has a good article on it.. says pretty much both of you are right ;)

Wikipedia:Reckoning Seasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season#Reckoning)


The date at which each season begins depends on how it is defined. In the United States, the seasons are often considered to begin at the astronomical solstices and equinoxes: these are sometimes known as the "astronomical seasons". By this reckoning, summer begins at summer solstice, winter at winter solstice, spring at the vernal equinox and autumn at the autumnal equinox.

United Kingdom and Ireland have no hard and fast rules about seasons, but most follow the equinoxes and solstices; However informally many people use three calendar months for each season with Spring being March, April and May, etc.

It is interesting to note that historically seasons were considered to begin about 4 weeks earlier than the meteorological seasons, and seven weeks earlier than the astronomical seasons:

* spring began on February 2 / Candlemas or February 1 / Imbolc,
* summer on May 1st / May Day/ Beltane ,
* autumn on August 1st / Lammas/ Lughnasadh, and
* winter on November 1st /All Hallows / Samhain.

Accordingly, midsummer and midwinter were, as their names suggest, the middle of summer and winter.

So, in meteorology for the Northern hemisphere:

* spring begins by convention on March 1,
* summer on June 1,
* autumn on September 1 and
* winter on December 1.

This definition is also followed in Denmark and former USSR.

Conversely, for the Southern hemisphere, meteorological

* summer begins on December 1,
* autumn on March 1,
* winter on June 1 and
* spring on September 1.

This definition is also followed in Australia.

Wiki has a good article on it.. says pretty much both of you are right ;)

yeah. i've just never understood why people would think that winter should start right before the temps bottom out. i'd rather have that fall well within the coldest season, not at the beginning of it. it just makes more sense my way.

yeah. i've just never understood why people would think that winter should start right before the temps bottom out. i'd rather have that fall well within the coldest season, not at the beginning of it. it just makes more sense my way.
Does it matter? As long as we settle on a single defition we can discuss things. Whether any given definition makes intuitive sense to you or anyone is irrelevant.