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The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

I'm scared. Hold me.

You owe me a new keyboard... SPLORT...

He's right, first its a new currency next its world war and genocide!

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

please stop... I can't eat my lunch if I keep splorting it out on the keyboard...

You're totally right! EU is just like the Soviet Union except for that we have a free market, freedom of choice, fair elections, we're free to travel wherever we want in EU and so on. So it's almoust just like the Soviet Union except for some small differences!

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

:rolleyes:

God bless the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Or, you know, not.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.
That's right:eek: except for Sweden and Denmark and Finland and Ireland and the half of Great Britain and half of Holland and Germany and Poland:rolleyes:

Yes, new currency, the Euro, then one religion; then the European Union will take in the balkens and the rest of Eastern Europe, then an Army of Europe, new age crusaders. will retake the Holy Land and expell or kill the jews and muslims. America will realize it made a horrible mistake and try to back out; but with China and the rest of the world at its back it will stay in The Union and then it will become the next target. Britain has always hated us for the revolution they havn't gotten over it. Our allies will be the first to turn on us.
Then the world Economy will collapse and the world as we know it will end.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

Please ... the Roman Empire never included Poland or the Baltic countries or Ireland or Denmark or Sweden or Finland ...

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

And GOD said: "When the EU rises the anti-christ will prevail"

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

I have no idea what you're blabbering about so: here. Have a dancing smilie elf (http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=03b5f5380697059b5581c67G06121714) instead.


Britain has always hated us for the revolution they havn't gotten over it.

I... am... speechless...

you are missing the point. the Roman empire has risen and grown larger, use you brain. an empire does not stay the same it shrinks grow or disappears. the Roman empire is reborn and takes in new territory.

Please ... the Roman Empire never included Poland or the Baltic countries or Ireland or Denmark or Sweden or Finland ...
Aha! To late:D

And GOD said: "When the EU rises the anti-christ will prevail"
You scoff, but a fundie Christian conservative friend actually used that in a debate about the EU in an Economics class. Something about unification of nations signalling the apocalypse.

T is for Totally non-sensical
R is for Retarded
O is for Obvious
L is for Lame
L is also for Let's not do this again

Aha! To late:D

Drat!

T is for Totally non-sensical
R is for Retarded
O is for Obvious
L is for Lame
L is also for Let's not do this again

:D I like this.

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.

Ohhh, the irony. It hurts, please stop :rolleyes:

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.
Too true:p

This is my honest opinion. and before the soviet Union collapsed it was working towards more public freedoms but the commies couldn't handle it right so they dissappeared. The E.U. already have those freedoms so they dont have to worry about a social uproar. But there as in america these freedoms are being swindled away. Look at the Patriot Act. Ivasion of personal privacy. We are gradually being oppressed more and more in the name of national and world wide security

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.

Yes. The US should just take over the world and get on with it. Show what democracy and freedom is about!

This is my honest opinion. and before the soviet Union collapsed it was working towards more public freedoms but the commies couldn't handle it right so they dissappeared. The E.U. already have those freedoms so they dont have to worry about a social uproar. But there as in america these freedoms are being swindled away. Look at the Patriot Act. Ivasion of personal privacy. We are gradually being oppressed more and more in the name of national and world wide security
And how does this tie in with your previous posts?

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.

Sheer comic genius! :D

I used to believe in Anarchy, but now I know government is good to an extent. I do not believe in state religion people should have their choice. Democracy cannot survive in the face of new threats. We will all be on our own before long. I hope some one with brains takes the lead.
because right now our national leaders. "cough"bush"cough" make me sick!

It ties in with it because more opressive governments deny personal freedoms, and will force a single religion. or force atheism.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/903959/the_optimist.jpg

America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.

This is my honest opinion. and before the soviet Union collapsed it was working towards more public freedoms but the commies couldn't handle it right so they dissappeared. The E.U. already have those freedoms so they dont have to worry about a social uproar. But there as in america these freedoms are being swindled away. Look at the Patriot Act. Ivasion of personal privacy. We are gradually being oppressed more and more in the name of national and world wide security
So readability and coherance of argument wern't your strongest suits were they?

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No one seems to understand that our world is dieing and us with it. Globalization world government. its all a load of horsesh!t. and I dont like.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.
you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.
Yes, new currency, the Euro, then one religion; then the European Union will take in the balkens and the rest of Eastern Europe, then an Army of Europe, new age crusaders. will retake the Holy Land and expell or kill the jews and muslims. America will realize it made a horrible mistake and try to back out; but with China and the rest of the world at its back it will stay in The Union and then it will become the next target. Britain has always hated us for the revolution they havn't gotten over it. Our allies will be the first to turn on us.
Then the world Economy will collapse and the world as we know it will end.
you are missing the point. the Roman empire has risen and grown larger, use you brain. an empire does not stay the same it shrinks grow or disappears. the Roman empire is reborn and takes in new territory.
America should take the lead; and force the disbandment of the E.U. and allow the U.N to do its job. Europe is full of nothing but warmongering jackasses anyway.
I used to believe in Anarchy, but now I know government is good to an extent. I do not believe in state religion people should have their choice. Democracy cannot survive in the face of new threats. We will all be on our own before long. I hope some one with brains takes the lead.
because right now our national leaders. "cough"bush"cough" make me sick!

Whatever you're taking - please adjust the dosis!

It ties in with it because more opressive governments deny personal freedoms, and will force a single religion. or force atheism.
So declining freedom in the USA will lead to the rise of a second Roman Empire, an invading Europe and followed by the coming of the antichrist?

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.

:headbang:

So declining freedom in the USA will lead to the rise of a second Roman Empire, an invading Europe and followed by the coming of the antichrist?

:D

Seriously, though, we shouldn't be poking fun at the mentally handicapped...

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.
Where's the antichrist?:confused:

Wait, so is the European Union the Soviet Union, or Satan?

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.

No its hard to follow the ramblings of a barley literate ranter with no basis for a single one of their argument.

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.

Isn't the US already powerful enough to do things without consequence? (or so it thinks?)

What about the Chinese? India? I guess a few billion people won't count in your future history, eh?

No one seems to understand that our world is dieing and us with it. Globalization world government. its all a load of horsesh!t. and I dont like.

you fool. You think we don't know?

We're all in on it!
why do you think so many people on this forum are leftist and athiests.
We've been slowly converting the internet masses to our cause and no one realised that the EU was the machine that our anti-christ was going to use.
you realise you must suffer a terrible fate now.

My our evil lord Max Barry eat your soul

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist.
Yep.

I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful.
Undoubtedly.

Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence.
It already can, pretty much.

The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.
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I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.

You are 20 year old? Wow.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

shut up.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

I've been waiting for the right opportunity to use this.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/TP4CCCC/YouAre-FucktardCockMonkey.jpg

fine. Im done.

Yes, new currency, the Euro, then one religion; then the European Union will take in the balkens and the rest of Eastern Europe, then an Army of Europe, new age crusaders. will retake the Holy Land and expell or kill the jews and muslims. America will realize it made a horrible mistake and try to back out; but with China and the rest of the world at its back it will stay in The Union and then it will become the next target. Britain has always hated us for the revolution they havn't gotten over it. Our allies will be the first to turn on us.
Then the world Economy will collapse and the world as we know it will end.

You do know that after the final battle of the war that can be dignified with the word "battle" (or rather, "siege"), Yortktown, three quarters of British troops on the continent were still at large, and that because of the increasing home opposition to the suppression of what was in most aspects a justified revolt that did not breach any of the day's un-written international law, the British government officially recognised the USA not very long after the revolution?

And that the Eureopean Union can not in any way be compared to the Roman Empire, neither geographically (as a Scot and a German among other things, I consider your comment an insult to my ancestor's prowess at guerilla warfare), or politically because it is not an Empire, or ethnically because it was not created and is not maintained by exclusively or even mostly by Romans?

And that Wikipedia is a useful resource for the history impaired who can't be bothered to get books out of the library?

I hope this post has been helpful. Oh, and I'm afraid that your argument makes me laugh out loud. But at least I'm making a counter-argument.

No one seems to understand that our world is dieing and us with it. Globalization world government. its all a load of horsesh!t. and I dont like.

good arguement.


what's with all the puppet trolls lately? are people that bored?

fine. Im done.

Wow, that's the smartest thing you've said so far.

This makes so much sense. :eek:

For the glory of Rome!

I really dislike the EU, it wastes billions of pounds by moving back and forth from France to Germany, just fucking decide. Also they are a bunch of beaurocratic hypocrites. I mean the amount of paper they waste writing up needless paper wasting laws just demonstrates how usless they are! Its so pointless. All thier stupid arguements that never come to anything, they spend so much time writing legislation, but never bother to check if its actually practical or efficient. They force countries to use their methods, but their methods just waste time and energy. Energy which is mainly from Fossil Fuels, which they are oh-so concerned about. Bunch of irrational Enviromentalists, I don't know why any country would want to be part of it.

The UK would be much more effiicient if we didn't have to bother with their "Correct Ways to Dispose of Electrical Equipments Laws". The UK doesn't even govern itself anymore, its run by detached idiots in Brussels, or Strasbourg or wherever they are at any one time.

The European Waste Union. Bunch of morons.

I've been waiting for the right opportunity to use this.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/TP4CCCC/YouAre-FucktardCockMonkey.jpg

That would have been so much more effective if you had put it in IMG tags...

That would have been so much more effective if you had put it in IMG tags...

I did, or thought I did:(

I did, or thought I did:(

You did. Duck probably doesn't have his forum settings to show IMG

I did, or thought I did:(

You did.

I understand; it hard to keep up with ramblings of a twenty year old conspiracy theorist. I'm just saying the E.U. will grow more powerful. Powerful enough to do what it wants with out consequence. The U.S.A will fall, due to its continually opressive nature. then the E.U. will take the reins. and into the fire our world will end. And I will be alive when it happens.

There are many 20 year olds (myself included), several of which are what I would consider conspiracy theorists. That isn't what makes it difficult to "keep up" with you. It is the utter lack of grammar: punctuation where it doesn't belong, a lack of punctuation where it does, incomplete sentences, poorly organized arguments that are made one post at a time rather than presenting your case up front.

In short, if you actually want people to consider what you have to say around here, I'd suggest learning to type and argue your point, rather than...whatever it is you're doing here.

You did. Duck probably doesn't have his forum settings to show IMG

God damn this! It keeps changing back...its just ignoring me!

I apologise I take back what I said.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

The EU is forcing nations to adopt the Euro? I guess that would explain why Britain is still using Pound Sterling... :confused:

Yes, Undbagarten please do us all a favor and have your hands cut off and your computer removed from your moms basement. Then if you so please, go to your towns public library and check out a history book...or two...or three.

And Undbagarten, for a reference on "how to make your point well" check my post about how crappy the E.U is, lol - and learn how to use commas.

I prefer having the option to click on link rather than the image loading itself, especially when I'm engaging in e-communism. But God this thread cheered me up it's even screwier then the theory that Germany is controlling the EU from behind the scenes in it's latest attempt to conquer Europe, then the World Pinky!

The EU for Satan support the Antichrist in 2030!

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

http://www.bible.ca/maps/maps-roman-empire-peak-116AD.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/EU_map_names_isles.png

A cookie will go to the first person to spot the tiny difference between these two maps.

A cookie will go to the first person to spot the tiny difference between these two maps.
See my post at page 1, now give me my cookie.

A cookie will go to the first person to spot the tiny difference between these two maps.

Ooh, I know! The names are different!

And Undbagarten, for a reference on "how to make your point well" check my post about how crappy the E.U is

;)

Please Do Us All A Favor And Shut The F@%k Up Undbagarten. Just Shup Up!!!!

I really dislike the EU, it wastes billions of pounds by moving back and forth from France to Germany, just fucking decide.
What exactly do you mean by this ramble? The EU has never "moved back from or to Germany". That doesn't even make sense!

See my post at page 1, now give me my cookie.

Ooh, I know! The names are different!

http://wiki.coolmon.org/files/cookie.jpg

Enjoy.

Please Do Us All A Favor And Shut The F@%k Up Undbagarten. Just Shup Up!!!!

Considering he hasn't said anything since the last time you posted, I think you might want to take your own advice.

Oh, And Typing Like This Is Fucking Annoying As All Shit.

http://wiki.coolmon.org/files/cookie.jpg

Enjoy.
*Devours* yummy:p

The Romans never managed to take Scotland and built a wall to keep us out cause we were crazy bastards. Can I have a cookie?


And I thought the European Parliament moved around every once in a while? With a noteable moving cost.

The Romans never managed to take Scotland and built a wall to keep us out cause we were crazy bastards. Can I have a cookie?

And Germany. Where's my wurst-flavour haggis?

The Romans never managed to take Scotland and built a wall to keep us out cause we were crazy bastards. Can I have a cookie?


And I thought the European Parliament moved around every once in a while? With a noteable moving cost.

It is, have to admit I can't remember if it's the commission or the MEPs right now, but one of them does shuffle between Strasbourg and Somewhere in Germany.

goddamit i feel like the whole fucking worlds against me. i trying to make a damn point. the E.U. corrupt and it needs to die. :upyours: Euphavova, go to hell!

The Romans never managed to take Scotland and built a wall to keep us out cause we were crazy bastards. Can I have a cookie?
And they never got far into Germany, either!
And I thought the European Parliament moved around every once in a while? With a noteable moving cost.
But not to Germany.
It's either in Bruxelles, or (following the protocol of the Treaty of Amsterdam) in Strasbourg.

Oh crap, he made us!

Roma Victor! *Waves a gladius and invades US*

you know what. maybe im being a dumbass. i'll keep my mouth shut now, and rip out the cord my computer. then i'll take some anti-deoressants and get on with my life

goddamit i feel like the whole fucking worlds against me. i trying to make a damn point. the E.U. corrupt and it needs to die. :upyours: Euphavova, go to hell!

First, flaming or flamebating isn't such a good idea.

Second, using the upyours smilie is obnoxious.

Third, try actually thinking through your post instead of just rambling. Spouting random nonsense that isn't appearently related at all with poor grammar is just annoying. To be honest, your current typing style reads like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum. Figure out what you are arguing, and state it with fact to back up your opinion.

Also, conspiracy theories (and specifically biblically based ones) tend to not go over so well around here. Try arguing something factual. You can dislike the EU, but arguing it will bring the Antichrist when most of the forum members aren't Christian is about as effective as me telling you that Thor will smite you for your grammar mistakes.

you know what. maybe im being a dumbass. i'll keep my mouth shut now, and rip out the cord my computer. then i'll take some anti-deoressants and get on with my life
Too late, NSG will slowly consume your life from now on.

goddamit i feel like the whole fucking worlds against me. i trying to make a damn point. the E.U. corrupt and it needs to die. :upyours: Euphavova, go to hell!
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/mama.gif

I disagree with the EU because of the economic grounds it stands for, other that I'm not against in it many ways. If it reformed I would be 100% for it.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

You have uninformed opinons, and you makes your points badly, and then you type them up wrong. Its too much for me to bare, I love stupid people when they are wrong!

Your WORSE than the E.U, imposing your VERY VERY wrong opinon on us, and look, we love it. Stupid people always make the best threads. I can handle conspiracy theories, but not when they are just wrong, the E.U simply doesn't posses enough oil to run the world. Any oil they do have, will be managed wrong and will not be used to any effect politically. Without Oil the E.U is nothing. They have nothing else with which to "capture" the world, so how would they? All they are worried about is French Farming subsidies.

The European Waste Union. Bunch of morons.

yeah those silly ideas like free trade, free movement, mutual defence, one strong currency, a parliament to address European issues, common agricultural policies, common fishing policies, common security, common, defence policy’s, Research and Technological Development Policy and European Regional Development Funds (the list does go on but I cant be arsed)

Have you been to any BNP rallies lately you would love it in fact fuck the commonwealth as well lets just seal ourselves off and call Britain a continent :rolleyes:

Goddamn French Farmers :p

Though I do agree that the EU can be pretty corrupt, bloated and meddling and in it's present form should die. In fact it's just far too inefficent to give rise to an antichrist. Besides someonce once proved Al Gore was the Antichrist according to Nostradamus, I wish I could find that.

Me...I like sleepin, Esspecailly in Mollys chamber...but here I am in prison! Here I am the ball and chain yeah!!!!!


Thats a really good song,

popped into my head as I read this.

yeah those silly ideas like free trade, free movement, mutual defence, one strong currency, a parliament to address European issues, common agricultural policies, common fishing policies, common security, common, defence policy’s, Research and Technological Development Policy and European Regional Development Funds (the list does go on but I cant be arsed)

Have you been to any BNP rallies lately you would love it in fact fuck the commonwealth as well lets just seal ourselves off and call Britain a continent :rolleyes:

I've been to several anti-BNP ralliys. I'm not Anti free trade just because I think the E.U are a bunch of morons, am I? As for "common" everything, well that's just inpractical, not every country in the E.U can have the same fishing policies if they have different types of fish, or if they have less water, or in different places, theoretically speaking. Every country should run itself in specific terms. Its all very good and well joining hands and so on, but countries shouldn't be chained together in the way E.U does. Policy's, policy's they don't do anything effectively.

Even if you disagree with me on most of the things I say, agree with me that the France-Germany movement is ridiculous?

Me...I like sleepin, Esspecailly in Mollys chamber...but here I am in prison! Here I am the ball and chain yeah!!!!!


Thats a really good song,

popped into my head as I read this.

...are you in my room? Because that songs on now...

goddamit i feel like the whole fucking worlds against me. i trying to make a damn point. the E.U. corrupt and it needs to die. :upyours: Euphavova, go to hell!

1) the world may be against you not because your some sort of revolutionary but in fact because your posting utter tripe

2) how can the E.U die? (I get the feeling your just scared of us big nasty Europeans with are crazy social democracy)

you know what. maybe im being a dumbass. i'll keep my mouth shut now, and rip out the cord my computer. then i'll take some anti-deoressants and get on with my life

yes ignore our arguments your 100% God bless America :rolleyes:

I disagree with the EU because of the economic grounds it stands for, other that I'm not against in it many ways. If it reformed I would be 100% for it.

your against a unified E.U market?

Without Oil the E.U is nothing. They have nothing else with which to "capture" the world, so how would they?

all we need to do is trick Russia into joining and the world is ours!

...are you in my room? Because that songs on now...

Oh yes....yes yes yes......I can see you sarkhaan...can you see me? ;)

goddamit i feel like the whole fucking worlds against me. i trying to make a damn point. the E.U. corrupt and it needs to die. :upyours: Euphavova, go to hell!

Damn, how he could know of this ingenious plan to conquer the world. With the huge European Army, we could get back our colonies in the New World...

But America has no chance against the EU: We must only conquer Washington D.C., while America had to conquer - Brussels? Strasbourg? Luxembourg? Or perhaps Berlin or London or Paris? Or even Rome?

Well, the US Army will never find their way to the European capital. But at least they could use the same currency in almost every country while they are searching. ;)

And don't forget our most powerful weapon - The European Agrar Subventions!!!

Oh yes....yes yes yes......I can see you sarkhaan...can you see me? ;)

uh huh....you're right oveeeeerrrrrr....


*spins chair really fast*
THERE!


hmm...guess not.

Oh yes....yes yes yes......I can see you sarkhaan...can you see me? ;)
I can see the both of you....

I can see the both of you....

woohoo! ORGY!


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>.>

Is this orgy smoking or non smoking?

Is this orgy smoking or non smoking?

If its smoking we can light our cigerettes off the recently flamed Undbagarten.

I've been to several anti-BNP ralliys. I'm not Anti free trade just because I think the E.U are a bunch of morons, am I?

I'm inclined to say yes...


As for "common" everything, well that's just inpractical

I would call a common security and defence policy impractical

not every country in the E.U can have the same fishing policies if they have different types of fish, or if they have less water, or in different places, theoretically speaking. Every country should run itself in specific terms

1) hence why fishing policies tend to relate to the fish and more importantly the fishing method used to catch the particularly species

2) a common policy means that governments wont sacrifice environmental standards to compete with fellow E.U nations

3) the amount of water a country controls has little to do with fishing policy

Its all very good and well joining hands and so on, but countries shouldn't be chained together in the way E.U does. Policy's, policy's they don't do anything effectively.

are the countries chained together when they can leave any time?

Even if you disagree with me on most of the things I say, agree with me that the France-Germany movement is ridiculous?

no the pointless nationalism of who gets to hold the E.U is moving it around as a compromise isn't

I'm inclined to say yes...

I would call a common security and defence policy impractical

1) hence why fishing policies tend to relate to the fish and more importantly the fishing method used to catch the particularly species

2) a common policy means that governments wont sacrifice environmental standards to compete with fellow E.U nations

3) the amount of water a country controls has little to do with fishing policy

are the countries chained together when they can leave any time?

no the pointless nationalism of who gets to hold the E.U is moving it around as a compromise isn't

Well I'm not Anti Free-trade. Erm "would call it impractical", I'm going to assume this was a typo, in which case please elaborate (I can't just argue with raw opinon, because I would be inclined to say it is impractical, but we don't get anywhere by me simply saying that.)

They can leave, sure, buts its not as simple as that. Media attention etc. My point wasn't so much that they were chained to the Union but the rules it imposes. Of course with joining the Union they have to accept this but, the rules they impose, in my opinon are largerly not very good.

How much water a country controls would effect fishing ploicy since it effects the amount of fish being caught. Personally I wouldn't bother picking apart my fishing policy point too much (it wasn't very well verified on my part, just ideas being thrown together), I just used it to display some of the issues regard a common policy. Yes the fishing policies relate to the fish and as far as I can see my points still stand regarding this. There are endless examples I could of used.

A compromise for 2 countries for the sake of little pride as far as I can see. It wastes a lot of money and plane fuel etc for what good it does.

Also I should clear this up as well, I'm not so much anti-E.U I think some things do need to be tended to to by a "greater force" to make sure countries don't only look after their own interests etc, but I am against the way it is run.

http://www.bible.ca/maps/maps-roman-empire-peak-116AD.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/EU_map_names_isles.png

A cookie will go to the first person to spot the tiny difference between these two maps.

be fair. it took rome centuries to become that large.

we've only been at it for a few decades.

...but arguing it will bring the Antichrist when most of the forum members aren't Christian is about as effective as me telling you that Thor will smite you for your grammar mistakes.
But he should smite the spelling horrors!!!
Even if you disagree with me on most of the things I say, agree with me that the France-Germany movement is ridiculous?
Germany is not involved in the to and fro movement! It's between Belgium (Bruxelles) and France (Strasbourg)!
be fair. it took rome centuries to become that large.

we've only been at it for a few decades.
Hey, it's not like the Germans didn't give it a try. Or the French a hundred years prior to that... :p

A lot of the laws the EU brings in are just replacing existing laws in EU member states with 1 common law. For most continential countries, the EU's laws actually mean deregulation.

And many national laws being passed are just as ridiculous and useless as EU ones - Blair's gov passed a law making it illiegal to sell squirrels for instance. (It can be argued that it was a necessary law, but it'd be on the same level as some EU laws).

be fair. it took rome centuries to become that large.

we've only been at it for a few decades.

And so far we've only resorted to diplomacy and economic benefits. Military force will be used in the later stages, when the Roman Empire volume 2 is nearly complete. You know, to conquer the african countries and such.

:D

your against a unified E.U market?


Yes, the average EU cow is earns more money than the world average GDP, we put trade tarrifs up to protect farmers in France. This restricts poorer nations in Africa and other parts of the world to export goods to us, tarrifs are bad the world would be better without them.

Yes, the average EU cow is earns more money than the world average GDP, we put trade tarrifs up to protect farmers in France. This restricts poorer nations in Africa and other parts of the world to export goods to us, tarrifs are bad the world would be better without them.

Except for the farmers in France.

Well I'm not Anti Free-trade. Erm "would call it impractical", I'm going to assume this was a typo, in which case please elaborate (I can't just argue with raw opinon, because I would be inclined to say it is impractical, but we don't get anywhere by me simply saying that.)

damn that should say "wouldn't" *punishes self*

the rules they impose, in my opinon are largerly not very good.

example?

How much water a country controls would effect fishing ploicy since it effects the amount of fish being caught.

are you actually arguing that if a country has less water it should over fish?

my points still stand regarding this.

not really a common fishing policy in Europe is essential to stop over fishing which is a real problem

It wastes a lot of money and plane fuel etc for what good it does.

as long as there paying for it I don't give a shit they can have it on the Moon so long as they foot the bill

but I am against the way it is run.

what are you actually against you just seem to come across as your regular Joe Brit (you have no doubt noticed hat I guessed you was British fairly quickly)

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent...

No it is not.

Yes, the average EU cow is earns more money than the world average GDP, we put trade tarrifs up to protect farmers in France. This restricts poorer nations in Africa and other parts of the world to export goods to us, tarrifs are bad the world would be better without them.

ah but:

1) Africa is a net importer of food (yes that is very silly)

2) Africa doesn't have the same food standards as the western world thus increasing risk to ordinary E.U citizens

3) farmers have allot of power

yes I am just playing devils advocate tariffs are silly things that only slow development

you are missing the point. the Roman empire has risen and grown larger, use you brain. an empire does not stay the same it shrinks grow or disappears. the Roman empire is reborn and takes in new territory.


They moved Rome to Strasbourg? Or has Brussels become the centre of the 'empire'?

Long live the Belgian Empire of Brussels

Blah.

This thread wins both my "Retarded Thread of the Day" award, and "Most blindingly-obvious-lack of edumacation" for the thread starter.

*applaudes*

Two in the same thread. That ain't easy kid, but you managed it.

example?



are you actually arguing that if a country has less water it should over fish?



not really a common fishing policy in Europe is essential to stop over fishing which is a real problem



as long as there paying for it I don't give a shit they can have it on the Moon so long as they foot the bill



what are you actually against you just seem to come across as your regular Joe Brit (you have no doubt noticed hat I guessed you was British fairly quickly)



No I'm saying the amount of water there is in a country is going to effect fishing policy...erm maybe I didn't get this point across, I'm certainly not saying this. If I'm wrong and the amount of water doesn't effect fishing policy then point take (but please explain how it doesn't effect fishing policy.)

Point taken, but largely because I wasn't planning on targeting the E.U's fishing policy (lol) but I was using it as an example of where there maybe differences between countries, and that on E.U fishing policy may not cover the bases needed (or cover too many bases) for each specific country. If you get my meaning.

Erm, who's footing the bill? I'm not informed enough to say for definate, but just a stab in the dark, taxpayers?

I hope this is not a derogatory term, I'm not sure if it is or not. If it means "I'm uninformed, racist, build houses and drink cups of tea, think immigartion is a load of bollocks, I'm a football hooligan" etc (this is the impression I get when you say that) then you are wrong. I'm certainly not against immigration. And if you're going on about the whole BNP thing again, I explained this. I hope this isn't what you meant.

Example of one screwed up rule that gets on my nerves is the weights and measures seeing some local traders going through court because they stuck to the ounces and punds measurements that their customers have been used to for years. The common fishing policy also has screwed up the Scottish fishing industry and raised the price of fish.

oops forgot to provide an example, well you got one..

Solviet Union or the Europe Union?
I'd have to take Europe... Why?
Because the CCCR have already done, some terrible things. ((I know what it's like))
So I'd put my money on the union that hasn't sent people to siberia for the fun of it.
I'm sorry if i didn't understand the thread correctly.

please explain how it doesn't effect fishing policy.

the burden of proof lies on the person who uses it as an argument originally namely you

Erm, who's footing the bill? I'm not informed enough to say for definate, but just a stab in the dark, taxpayers?

half right the taxpayers of the governments in question

I hope this isn't what you meant.

oh no your the regular Joe Brit in terms of the E.U in other words you know little about it yet feel you can still criticize it for being in-efficient

Example of one screwed up rule that gets on my nerves is the weights and measures seeing some local traders going through court because they stuck to the ounces and punds measurements that their customers have been used to for years.

your own government is to blame for that this is one of those rules that the E.U suggests and thus if you where not in the E.U you would still have this enforced

The common fishing policy also has screwed up the Scottish fishing industry and raised the price of fish.

yeah the E.U is to blame for over fishing:rolleyes:

As a gay man, I love the fact that I can now travel the length and bredth of the European coninent without having to worry about being lynched or arrested.

In a decade or two Russia will have joined and will no longer be a basket case and that will make two continents.

Bring on the expansion of the EU!

I'm just waiting for the creation of the South and Central American Unions (it's happening already now that the US cant overthrow democratically elected governments or assasinate leaders anymore), and the South Pacific Union (once we get rid of that fucktard Howard in Australia- will happen next year- and New Zealand is already a liberal democratic state).

Hooray for international covenants on human rights and democratic freedoms.

Southern Africa could get it's own EU going once fuckwits like Mugabe bite the dust too.

PS I love how paranoid Americans have some weird beef about the UK after 400 years despite the fact that the Monarcy that controlled the North American collonies has been nothing more than a token figurehead for over a hundred years. You need to get out more... maybe travel or read a book or two (literacy- the other, other liberal NWO conspiracy- shake in your boots!)

Bush will be gone soon too so maybe the US and Canada will join the secular liberal democracy bandwagon and form a North American Union (it would have to be better than NAFTA).

Then all the first and second world Unions can start the good work of bringing secular democracy to the third world without resorting to bombing- the best way to do this is to fund family planning, secular education, and education for women.

-Andy P, Newtown-St Peters (for those in the know, that's a real place and we going to be shaking it up in the coming election- Go the Greens!)

the burden of proof lies on the person who uses it as an argument originally namely you



half right the taxpayers of the governments in question



oh no your the regular Joe Brit in terms of the E.U in other words you know little about it yet feel you can still criticize it for being in-efficient

Ok fine be difficult, I would say that the amount of water does effect fishing because the more water the larger the fishing culture is going to be, therefore more fishing. This could come to the point where there was so much fishing that the size of water and fish comes out of a natural ratio to the normal demand (because of tourism and a new found love of the "tradition of eating fish" or any other factors which I don't wish to have to list.)

I do know about the E.U, not in great detail but I know enough to critize, and who are you to tell me what I can and can't critize. Now your going to start telling me that because I don't work for the E.U that I can't critize it or something like that? This opens another debate...Saying that a regular Brit doesn't know about the E.U is just prejudice and a generlisation that is unfounded. Britains do know about politics you know, and why try and say that British people are ignorant about the E.U, it adds very little to your arguement. Look here's my critisim, fine argue it win or lose, but just turning around and saying I don't know what I'm talking about doesn't prove me wrong.

yes our plan of europa maxima is working! all hail europa!

while your reasons are not good, you may actually be right, the EU is slowly turning into the new USSR. :rolleyes:

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

In the European Union, euros spend YOU!

because of tourism and a new found love of the "tradition of eating fish" or any other factors which I don't wish to have to list

I have no idea what your trying to put across here over than the fact that the E.U is not responsible for fishing trouble and that the fish culture on the coasts is in rapid decline due to more demand and thus less supply (thus driving up price which only the wealthy tourists can afford)

I do know about the E.U, not in great detail but I know enough to critize, and who are you to tell me what I can and can't critize.

Oh I’m not telling you what you can and can’t criticize I’m saying that your opinion is the same old ignorance taken from the Sun newspaper which you read one day in 1993

Now your going to start telling me that because I don't work for the E.U that I can't critize it or something like that?

Oh dear where did you get that from?

This opens another debate...Saying that a regular Brit doesn't know about the E.U is just prejudice and a generlisation that is unfounded.

Oh no I think it is the fact that I have lived in the country for 17 years might put some weight to this

Britains do know about politics you know, and why try and say that British people are ignorant about the E.U it adds very little to your arguement.

Do keep up with how this debate is going this stems from you stating that you somehow think the E.U should be run better without actually putting any facts in

Look here's my critisim, fine argue it win or lose, but just turning around and saying I don't know what I'm talking about doesn't prove me wrong.

Here is my advice: go read up on the E.U and come back when you know a damn thing about it and actually have something you can argue for otherwise your just throwing pointless criticism at something because you don’t understand it

I've been to several anti-BNP ralliys. I'm not Anti free trade just because I think the E.U are a bunch of morons, am I? As for "common" everything, well that's just inpractical, not every country in the E.U can have the same fishing policies if they have different types of fish, or if they have less water, or in different places, theoretically speaking. Every country should run itself in specific terms. Its all very good and well joining hands and so on, but countries shouldn't be chained together in the way E.U does. Policy's, policy's they don't do anything effectively.

Even if you disagree with me on most of the things I say, agree with me that the France-Germany movement is ridiculous?

actually every EU country has different fishing quotas through the CFP (common fishing policy). the total allowable catch (TAC) varies based on what is allowed to be fished and the traditional share. Also each individual ship is set a certain quota to prevent over fishing.
oh and its up to the individual countries to inforce the rules and distribute the quotas amongst the national industry

while your reasons are not good, you may actually be right, the EU is slowly turning into the new USSR. :rolleyes:

And might I ask why?
We're just making a system that the states rely on each other for financial and military support.
USSR... Well... I really dont have much to say about them, just the thing about the dictatorship whitch is not in the Europian Union.

And might I ask why?
We're just making a system that the states rely on each other for financial and military support.
USSR... Well... I really dont have much to say about them, just the thing about the dictatorship whitch is not in the Europian Union.

:rolleyes: = sarcasm

Example: You’re an observant one :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: = sarcasm

Example: You’re an observant one :rolleyes:

Thank you. Thank you... I only have the Europian Union to thank for that for blinding my eyes. :cool:

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

Did you ever think that this new Roman Empire would be a successor to rather than a rebirth of the old Roman Empire? The Old Roman Empire was conquered by the Germans. The Roman Emperors had carried a staff with an eagle on it that had its head turned to the side. The last Roman Emperor was forced to give up that staff to the Germans. Since then, it has become a trophy for the Germans. It is on the seals of Germany, Austria, and Poland. The Germans formed the Holy Roman Empire, which is modern day Germany. So Germany may be the Roman Empire referred to. You can't base all your political ideas on biblical prophecies. I am tired of Christians basing their attitudes towards Israel on their limited knowledge of Scripture. The Bible does indeed say that Israel will become a nation again, but it describes this happening in a way that its vastly different from reality. The war of 1948 directly contradicted the biblical account of the new nation of Israel. Also, this nation of Israel is obviously made up of secularists who call themselves "Jews", because it goes completely against the OT.

you know what. maybe im being a dumbass. i'll keep my mouth shut now, and rip out the cord my computer. then i'll take some anti-deoressants and get on with my life

Yep, you've broken the n00b. He could have provided hours of exasparating "debate" on subjects like Islam, communism, and homosexuality but you've broken him like a cheap toy. Go to your rooms and think about what you've done.

Did you ever think that this anti-Christ might just be a Muslim? The biblical description of the antichrist matches up with the Koran's description of Mahdi. The Jews (The few that actually deserve to be called Jews- Rev.3:9)are awaiting a political Messiah. The antichrist appears to be the saving figure for both the Muslims and Jews. Of course the Bible does mention that the antichrist will turn on the Jews after 3 1/2 years, so this one-world religion might just be Islam.

Yep, you've broken the n00b. He could have provided hours of exasparating "debate" on subjects like Islam, communism, and homosexuality but you've broken him like a cheap toy. Go to your rooms and think about what you've done.

don't worry DCD, he'll be back.

probably another thread talking about the evils of the internet and how is ruining peoples lifes by making them anti-social and pale.

This thread wins both my "Retarded Thread of the Day" award, and "Most blindingly-obvious-lack of edumacation" for the thread starter.

*applaudes*

Two in the same thread. That ain't easy kid, but you managed it.
Not to forget the use of both gun-smileys and the finger-smiley!
Yep, you've broken the n00b. He could have provided hours of exasparating "debate" on subjects like Islam, communism, and homosexuality but you've broken him like a cheap toy. Go to your rooms and think about what you've done.
And now it's our fault? All n00bs should be required to go through some standard testing before let loose on NSG, don't you think?

Did you ever think that this new Roman Empire would be a successor to rather than a rebirth of the old Roman Empire? The Old Roman Empire was conquered by the Germans. The Roman Emperors had carried a staff with an eagle on it that had its head turned to the side. The last Roman Emperor was forced to give up that staff to the Germans. Since then, it has become a trophy for the Germans. It is on the seals of Germany, Austria, and Poland. The Germans formed the Holy Roman Empire, which is modern day Germany. So Germany may be the Roman Empire referred to. You can't base all your political ideas on biblical prophecies. I am tired of Christians basing their attitudes towards Israel on their limited knowledge of Scripture. The Bible does indeed say that Israel will become a nation again, but it describes this happening in a way that its vastly different from reality. The war of 1948 directly contradicted the biblical account of the new nation of Israel. Also, this nation of Israel is obviously made up of secularists who call themselves "Jews", because it goes completely against the OT.

Yeah, GERMANIANS. There was no Germany until... 135 years ago.

Yeah, GERMANIANS. There was no Germany until... 145 years ago.

135 years actually. There may not have been a Germany, but there were Germans. Germany is just a compilation of former German nations. The Holy Roman Empire was essentially a forerunner to modern day Germany.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

Of course! We all know how the Roman Empire is still around, that Italy (if you consider that Rome) has so much power in the union, and of course, the fact that the Roman Empire and the EU are both in Europe is an infallible sign of the apocalypse, not easily explainable by the fact that the chances of 2 large unions on the same continent over the course of a few thousand years is statistically unavoidable.
Also, cross-nation currency is the devil. Currency is the basis of all culture, and when that's changed, culture dissolves and all that currently remains of the diverse cultures of Europe is the all-powerful Euro. It kills babies.

If you're too dumb to tell, Undbagarten, I'm being sarcastic. The bible was written by a bunch of mortals years and years after Jesus died and is no more credible than any other book ever written. If you want to believe in it, go ahead. I won't disrespect you for that. But, I will for other reasons. You, sir, are a fucking retard. Not because of your religion, but because you freak out at the slightest hint of a group of more than one country near Rome, and take it to be a prophecy. You think that currency destroys culture. Currency is mostly irrelevant. Individual cultures still thrive throughout the EU, so sit down and shut up.

135 years actually.

Typo.

There may not have been a Germany, but there were Germans. Germany is just a compilation of former German nations. The Holy Roman Empire was essentially a forerunner to modern day Germany.

Each German nation was an independent nation on it's own. There were no Germans, only Prussians, Bavarians and Saxons. The EARLIEST possible use of the term "Germans" would be to refer to East Francia.

Typo.



Each German nation was an independent nation on it's own. There were no Germans, only Prussians, Bavarians and Saxons. The EARLIEST possible use of the term "Germans" would be to refer to East Francia.

Actually the term "German" came from the tribe known to the Romans as Germania. Those citizens of the individual nations may not have been called Germans, but they were all the same people group. The region was known as Germany, before the actual nation. The German language was spoken by those countries.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.Really? Forcibly changing? Dang. That must be why I have no Danish, British, or Swedish coins in my Euro collection...

Really? Forcibly changing? Dang. That must be why I have no Danish, British, or Swedish coins in my Euro collection...

they will be converted do not worry my brother.

the rise of the holy european imperial union will not be thwarted!

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

The EU did not forcibly change the currencys of its members, each nation decided on its own. In the UK a vote was taken.

Also, I see no problem with a United States of Europe, it would be the world superpower and if Russia were to join think of the possibilities...

Personally I wouldn't mind a Federal Europe (meaning an EU gov would have control over Foreign policy, defence, environment, etc., but the States would take care of most of the governing like healthcare, pensions, policing, etc.) as long as it's fully democractic. Let's face it; with India and China getting stronger and the US (in my view) getting weaker (relitively) we need to stick together.

And the whole thing about the "New Roman Empire" - if it doesn't have to fit the exact borders of the old one, then it could be stretched to mean anything (like any prophecy, I suppose) - it could even mean America. Think about it - all those immigrants of European descent.... world superpower... a federation of states... an eagle for its seal.... why not?
And that's if you can be bothered to even take twisted prophecys seriously.

Personally I wouldn't mind a Federal Europe (meaning an EU gov would have control over Foreign policy, defence, environment, etc., but the States would take care of most of the governing like healthcare, pensions, policing, etc.) as long as it's fully democractic. Let's face it; with India and China getting stronger and the US (in my view) getting weaker (relitively) we need to stick together.

And the whole thing about the "New Roman Empire" - if it doesn't have to fit the exact borders of the old one, then it could be stretched to mean anything (like any prophecy, I suppose) - it could even mean America. Think about it - all those immigrants of European descent.... world superpower... a federation of states... an eagle for its seal.... why not?
And that's if you can be bothered to even take twisted prophecys seriously.

I have no real problem with India, and China is improving, but Europe needs to be able to throw its full political and economic weight around to compete with these subcontinental powers. However the society would probably have to follow the US structure (basically as you said) simply for convinience.

Oh I’m not telling you what you can and can’t criticize I’m saying that your opinion is the same old ignorance taken from the Sun newspaper which you read one day in 1993

Here is my advice: go read up on the E.U and come back when you know a damn thing about it and actually have something you can argue for otherwise your just throwing pointless criticism at something because you don’t understand it

Why are you acting as though I was being a senseless moron? I'm willing to except that I was wrong about the fishing, fine it was a bad example, maybe a bad point, but non of this changes my opinon. I still think what I think about the E.U and its not because of the fact that I read the Sun. I've never read the Sun in my life. These opinons of mine are from the effect I've seen the E.U make, from other peoples opinons, for and against the E.U.

And personally I don't think my opinon is "pointless criticism" it's a valid and perfectly well grounded. I don't know what ridiculous conclusions you've come to across the computer screen, but for some reason you think that because I don't agree with the E.U that I'm ignorant, stupid and for some reason all of a sudden I read the Sun. I would be grateful if you didn't pass your judgement upon me, God forbid anyone that doesn't think what you think, they must be plain stupid.

He's right, first its a new currency next its world war and genocide!


Wouldn't shock me. They have done it before.



Proof Of European Genocide (http://www.soldat.com/Kunst%20Hitler.jpg)

Personally I wouldn't mind a Federal Europe (meaning an EU gov would have control over Foreign policy, defence, environment, etc., but the States would take care of most of the governing like healthcare, pensions, policing, etc.) as long as it's fully democractic. Let's face it; with India and China getting stronger and the US (in my view) getting weaker (relitively) we need to stick together.

And the whole thing about the "New Roman Empire" - if it doesn't have to fit the exact borders of the old one, then it could be stretched to mean anything (like any prophecy, I suppose) - it could even mean America. Think about it - all those immigrants of European descent.... world superpower... a federation of states... an eagle for its seal.... why not?
And that's if you can be bothered to even take twisted prophecys seriously.



Thats what wrong with you euro types, you think you have to compete with everybody.:rolleyes:

Thats what wrong with you euro types, you think you have to compete with everybody.:rolleyes:
He. Hehe. Hehehehehehehe.

Poor Americans, always having to deal with all this competitive thinking from those Euro types. Why don't they listen to the Americans? Coming first isn't important! :D

Proof Of European Genocide (http://www.soldat.com/Kunst%20Hitler.jpg)

Am I ment to be laughing? I.e was that a joke?

Technically that was Nazi genocide, not European genicide.

you should be scared the whole world should be scared. its in the bible, when the roman empire rises; the anti-christ will rise. the Treaty of Rome gave birth to the European Union. Check your maps the E.U. almost exactly coincides with old Roman Empire minus the North African territories.

I'm not scared at all because in the end we win....The anti-christ is cast into Hell for a thousand years at the battle of Armageddon (Valley 0f Meggido) and he's let go and tries again to Destroy the Son of God when then he is cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity.It's all predicted and can't be changed.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

Dude, they aren't forcing it. Look at the UK. On a side note, try not being ignorant and get some informed opinions.

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

I smell troll scat, there must be one near....
*cocks troll hunting gun*-

Am I ment to be laughing? I.e was that a joke?

Technically that was Nazi genocide, not European genicide.


Umm, sorry to break the news to you but...THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID IT WERE EUROPEAN!!! Sorry you had to hear that here. Maybe I should point out what Spain did in the Americas and the UK in Africa.....Maybe what the Soviet Union did...Nah...Too much truth for now.:D

Umm, sorry to break the news to you but...THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID IT WERE EUROPEAN!!! Sorry you had to hear that here. Maybe I should point out what Spain did in the Americas and the UK in Africa.....Maybe what the Soviet Union did...Nah...Too much truth for now.:D

Yeah but usually you are more specific when most of the atrocities are carried out against the Europeans as well

It helps to clarify when the perpetrators and victims are both Europeans (for a large part anyway) WHICH Europeans were on which side

Bush will be gone soon too so maybe the US and Canada will join the secular liberal democracy bandwagon and form a North American Union (it would have to be better than NAFTA).

I don't give a damn about what other nations's do (it's none of business), but if the US border ever comes down, I'll be leaving bodies and rubble in my wake until killed or successful.

I don't give a damn about what other nations's do (it's none of business), but if the US border ever comes down, I'll be leaving bodies and rubble in my wake until killed or successful.Sounds illegal...

lol

Actually the term "German" came from the tribe known to the Romans as Germania. Those citizens of the individual nations may not have been called Germans, but they were all the same people group. The region was known as Germany, before the actual nation. The German language was spoken by those countries.

Except that there was no "German" language; only many different tribal dialects.

No, thats stupid

Dont be stupid

The European Union, it is forcebly changing the national currency of almost every country on the continent under the cover ofwere only doing it to better the world economythe E.U full of Sh!t; before long they will be enforcing cultural cleansing and we will back them because we'll think; its for the betterment of society. all these different cultures do nothing but spawn war and hatred. then we will all be atheist or Christian, or we'll be shot.

EU=new CCCP? It's too beautiful to be true...

Anyway: the EU isn't forcing ANY country to switch to euro. The proof? Most of EU countries don't use euro.
Euro is national currency in: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland, Austria, Finnland and Greece (plus S.Marino, Monaco and Vatican because of treaties with Italy and France). That's 12 EU countries.
The following EU countries still use their own currency: United Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenija, Cyprus, Malta, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Plus the new entries (from 01-01-07) Bulgaria and Romania. That's 13 EU countries, and 15 starting from next January.

Do some basical research at the ECB (European Central Bank) website before posting plain falsehoods: it will make your arguments less ridiculous.

Also, NOWHERE in the EU people are forced to follow some religion instead of another, or forced to atheism or whatever. EU is often criticised by right-wingers and traditionalists because it won't allow religious discrimination - as proven by the fact that in the European Constitutional Treaty there is no reference to that "cultural jewish-christian roots of Europe" people like the Pope usually brag about.

EU=new CCCP? It's too beautiful to be true...

Anyway: the EU isn't forcing ANY country to switch to euro. The proof? Most of EU countries don't use euro.
Euro is national currency in: Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland, Austria, Finnland and Greece (plus S.Marino, Monaco and Vatican because of treaties with Italy and France). That's 12 EU countries.
The following EU countries still use their own currency: United Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenija, Cyprus, Malta, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Plus the new entries (from 01-01-07) Bulgaria and Romania. That's 13 EU countries, and 15 starting from next January.

Do some basical research at the ECB (European Central Bank) website before posting plain falsehoods: it will make your arguments less ridiculous.

Also, NOWHERE in the EU people are forced to follow some religion instead of another, or forced to atheism or whatever. EU is often criticised by right-wingers and traditionalists because it won't allow religious discrimination - as proven by the fact that in the European Constitutional Treaty there is no reference to that "cultural jewish-christian roots of Europe" people like the Pope usually brag about.Missed Andorra in your group of countries using the Euro. Then again, they don't get to mint their own. They have to use whatever France and Spain use, so I guess transition from Francs and Pesetas to one currency isn't that bad for them. Also, Slovenia will be joining the Eurozone soon.

Missed Andorra in your group of countries using the Euro. Then again, they don't get to mint their own. They have to use whatever France and Spain use, so I guess transition from Francs and Pesetas to one currency isn't that bad for them. Also, Slovenia will be joining the Eurozone soon.

Whoops. Sorry, Andorra.

Umm, sorry to break the news to you but...THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID IT WERE EUROPEAN!!! Sorry you had to hear that here. Maybe I should point out what Spain did in the Americas and the UK in Africa.....Maybe what the Soviet Union did...Nah...Too much truth for now.:D

Yes, they were but are you telling me that Europeans are responsible for the deaths of the millions of Jews? No it was no European countries, it was one European country so therefore it was not the "europeans", just a European.

Yes, they were but are you telling me that Europeans are responsible for the deaths of the millions of Jews? No it was no European countries, it was one European country so therefore it was not the "europeans", just a European.



Ok, what about what the UK, Spain, Italy, France and the netherlands have done? Russia is european....no matter what they say it is!..Most of it anyway.

Yes, they were but are you telling me that Europeans are responsible for the deaths of the millions of Jews? No it was no European countries, it was one European country so therefore it was not the "europeans", just a European.

Germans you mean.
I resent you placing this on the people of Ostroeuropa.

Except that there was no "German" language; only many different tribal dialects.
Nevermind the word "German".

"Deutsch" started off as a word describing the peoples with a similar language, ie languages from the same sort of family, and that word was recorded occasionally even before Charlemagne.

The idea of a group of German peoples all belonging together has been around for a while. At the very least when they called out the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

Or in other words, the Holy Roman Empire of the peoples who speak Germanic languages (and acknowledge the leadership of the Emperor :p ).

Ok, what about what the UK, Spain, Italy, France and the netherlands have done? Russia is european....no matter what they say it is!..Most of it anyway.

You said "Proof of European Genocide" and put a picture of Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler's genocide was not the fault of the UK, Spain, Italy or anything. I'm not saying those countries have never commited genocide, I'm saying that the Holocaust was not European genocide.

You said "Proof of European Genocide" and put a picture of Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler's genocide was not the fault of the UK, Spain, Italy or anything. I'm not saying those countries have never commited genocide, I'm saying that the Holocaust was not European genocide.

Unless you defined "European genocide" as "genocide committed against Europeans".

Unless you defined "European genocide" as "genocide committed against Europeans".

Yes, in which case I've completely misunderstood the meaning. But when I saw a picture of Adolf Hitler and this being "proof" then I assume it meant the Europeans were commiting genocide.

Also I think you could be more specifc about that genocide since there were specific groups that were targeted. Saying WW2 was "genocide commited against Europeans" would imply the average Italien bread maker would have also been persecuted, when of course he may not have been.

Yes, in which case I've completely misunderstood the meaning. But when I saw a picture of Adolf Hitler and this being "proof" then I assume it meant the Europeans were commiting genocide.

Also I think you could be more specifc about that genocide since there were specific groups that were targeted. Saying WW2 was "genocide commited against Europeans" would imply the average Italien bread maker would have also been persecuted, when of course he may not have been.

Well, during the attempted retreat from Stalingrad, Germans shot the Italians down who were trying to board truck transport. The Italians were massacred en masse by their own "allies" in a combat zone.

Probably not genocide in a technical sense, but it does give you the sense that Germans saw Italians as disposable.

Probably not genocide in a technical sense, but it does give you the sense that Germans saw Italians as disposable.
Hey, in Stalingrad they probably were. Germany's never been very good with picking its allies. :rolleyes:

Either way, the Nazis were not representative of "Europe" (particularly the EU) in any way. They may have been a movement that happened to be located in Europe, but they weren't European in any further sense.

Hey, in Stalingrad they probably were. Germany's never been very good with picking its allies. :rolleyes:

Either way, the Nazis were not representative of "Europe" (particularly the EU) in any way. They may have been a movement that happened to be located in Europe, but they weren't European in any further sense.

The same Italy that switched sides? Before the Italians became traitors, it was Germany that bailed them out of their messes in North Africa and Greece. Those times caused the Germans some problems on other fronts. The least those ungrateful Italians could have done is to fulfill what minor military obligations they had. Massacring traitors isn't genocide. It's justice. Civil War generals did the same thing.

The same Italy that switched sides?
They switched sides when the people overthrew Mussolini, and that was some time after Stalingrad.

What I meant was that the Italian Divisions were even less prepared for the Winter than the German ones, so they just didn't do a good job and needed support all the time. Same as the Romanians, especially in the case of Stalingrad.

They switched sides when the people overthrew Mussolini, and that was some time after Stalingrad.

What I meant was that the Italian Divisions were even less prepared for the Winter than the German ones, so they just didn't do a good job and needed support all the time. Same as the Romanians, especially in the case of Stalingrad.

I know it was after Stalingrad. I was trying to say that the Italians just weren't the most loyal allies. They switched sides at the beginning of WW1 and the middle of WW2. After all the times that the Germans saved them from disaster, one would hope they would be a little more appreciative. As for the Winter issue, that is true that Italy is warmer than Germany, but the Germans weren't as prepared for the heat of the North African deserts like the Italians were, but that didn't stop them from cleaning up Italy's mess.

The same Italy that switched sides? Before the Italians became traitors, it was Germany that bailed them out of their messes in North Africa and Greece. Those times caused the Germans some problems on other fronts. The least those ungrateful Italians could have done is to fulfill what minor military obligations they had. Massacring traitors isn't genocide. It's justice. Civil War generals did the same thing.

When you consider that the majority of Italian soldiers had no interest in fighting in the conflict, and that when the Italian soldiers fought alongside their German allies, they were treated like shit, then it's hardly surprising that they decided to overthrow Mussolini and join the Allies to liberate their country.