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I was walking through the grocery store the other day, and I saw the vegetarian products in one of the coolers. Now, I have no problem with people that are vegetarians (vegans who try to force their ways on me, on the other hand, ....). However, I saw meatless meatloaf, meatless meatballs, meatless riblets and other meatless products that claim to have the look and taste of meat.

What I want to know is, why do you want the look and taste of meat in your meatless diet? Why do food companies call these meatless products what they're labeled? Meatless meatloaf = loaf, just like meatless meatballs = balls. There can be no such thing as meatless riblets, because (as far as I know), the only thing that has ribs, is made out of meat. Meatless ground beef? I don't know WHAT the hell that is.

To sum up, I guess I just want to know why?

/head explodes trying to figure out meatless steak

The meat company is just trying to reach out to a new audience to pull in more revenues, and thus more money for the CEOs to roll around naked in.

meatless meatballs = balls.
Speak for yourself. Mine are very big and meaty.

Well, there are those who enjoy the TASTE of meat but cannot eat it for health reasons or for reasons of morality. This lets them.

(BocaBurgers are pretty damned tasty, and I am NOT a vegetarian.)

If you ever want to know why anyone does anything in this world, all you have to do is follow the money.

Do ostrich burgers have meat in them? I love those, with mustard. Excellent.

Do ostrich burgers have meat in them? I love those, with mustard. Excellent.

Ostrich = a bird.
Bird = living creature.
Living creature = meat.

Ostrich = a bird.
Bird = living creature.
Living creature = meat.
meat=delicious. :D

There can be no such thing as meatless riblets, because (as far as I know), the only thing that has ribs, is made out of meat.

Corsets and condoms, young man, corsets and condoms.

Do ostrich burgers have meat in them? I love those, with mustard. Excellent.
You want to try emu. That's way better than ostrich.

Ostrich = a bird.
Bird = living creature.
Living creature = meat.

Sure, but are birds really considered 'meat?' My dogs eat them like popcorn and still demand food, since it seems, on close inspection, that birds have very little to them by way of substance. I'd put them in the grains/oats category.

Well, there are those who enjoy the TASTE of meat but cannot eat it for health reasons or for reasons of morality. This lets them.

(BocaBurgers are pretty damned tasty, and I am NOT a vegetarian.)

Out of curiousity, what health reasons would proclude someone from eating any meat?

IMO, if you're morally against eating meat, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks or tastes like meat.

Also, health reasons and morality don't explain why this stuff is called what it is. Instead of meatless meatloaf, it should be called tofuloaf or soyloaf, depending on what it's made with (meatless meatballs should follow the same naming convention).

Finally, I've never tried BocaBurgers, but that's probably because I can't find them with bits of cheese and bacon mixed into them.

Corsets and condoms, young man, corsets and condoms.

I'm talking about food related things with ribs.

Sure, but are birds really considered 'meat?'

Yes.

I'm talking about food related things with ribs.

Exactly. ;)

Sure, but are birds really considered 'meat?' My dogs eat them like popcorn and still demand food, since it seems, on close inspection, that birds have very little to them by way of substance. I'd put them in the grains/oats category.

That goes along with my theory that chickens are actually vegetables. :)

What I want to know is, why do you want the look and taste of meat in your meatless diet?

Why? Because we like the taste of it - it is mainly the whole 'killing things destined for the table' with which we have a problem.

As to why there are these variety of different meatfree alternatives: it makes adapting traditional recipes or meals easier and also makes it more simple to integrate with omnivores.

Yes.

Perhaps. I'm still of the mind that 'meat' must be mammalian.

Perhaps. I'm still of the mind that 'meat' must be mammalian.

Well, to be fair, there are two schools of thought on that one: there's pretty much the rest of the world in one camp, and then there's you in the other.

I saw meatless meatloaf, meatless meatballs, meatless riblets and other meatless products that claim to have the look and taste of meat.

I've often wondered what the point of immitation meat is. Instead of a meatless meatloaf, why not just have a wheatloaf?
http://www.ajkingbakery.com/images/Whole-Wheat-Loaf.jpg

They want the taste, but without the moral or health tradeoffs involved.

Out of curiousity, what health reasons would proclude someone from eating any meat?

IMO, if you're morally against eating meat, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks or tastes like meat.

High chlorestorol or something I'm guessing. And you are morally against killing anything or the amount of ressources that go into producing it, but why should that restrict you from the fake stuff if you like it?

Also, health reasons and morality don't explain why this stuff is called what it is. Instead of meatless meatloaf, it should be called tofuloaf or soyloaf, depending on what it's made with (meatless meatballs should follow the same naming convention).


Usually you'll have it when you want to eat the smae thing with your family so it's easier to just substitute 1 ingredient so you look for what they're having and it's meatless et voila the name.

I've often wondered what the point of immitation meat is. Instead of a meatless meatloaf, why not just have a wheatloaf?


I thought that was some kind of toxic fungus at first...

I thought that was some kind of toxic fungus at first...

Soylent Green?

Soylent Green?

Eh?

Why? Because we like the taste of it - it is mainly the whole 'killing things destined for the table' with which we have a problem.

Like how you kill plants? Or the thousands upon thousands of animals that are torn to shreds whenever grain is harvested?

Like how you kill plants? Or the thousands upon thousands of animals that are torn to shreds whenever grain is harvested?

Have to eat something.

Ostrich = a bird.
Bird = living creature.
Living creature = meat.

meat=delicious. :D

Did I ever say otherwise? I like my roast beef to moo when I bite it.

Did I ever say otherwise? I like my roast beef to moo when I bite it.

True. I like my meat medium.

Well, to be fair, there are two schools of thought on that one: there's pretty much the rest of the world in one camp, and then there's you in the other.

:D I like you, you're fun!

Well, there are those who enjoy the TASTE of meat but cannot eat it for health reasons or for reasons of morality. This lets them.

(BocaBurgers are pretty damned tasty, and I am NOT a vegetarian.)
Aye. Boca Burgers are nummy nummy. I'm so glad that vegeterian burgers have progressed so far since they started. (I can remember viewing one in a plastic wrapping twelve years ago that had visible pieces of corn in it. :( )

IMO, if you're morally against eating meat, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks or tastes like meat.


Then your opinions are profoundly and significantly less than reasonable.

My daughter is a student at Loma Linda University - a Seventh-Day Adventist University that specializes in Health professions (Doctors, nurses, etc.) Adventists promote vegetarianism, so the cafeterias at the school are all meatless. They serve fake meat which, according to my daughter, tastes vile. She says, and I tend to agree, that the fake meat is for those vegetarians who aren't fully committed to being vegetarian.

You want some balls with your spaghetti? :eek:

Out of curiousity, what health reasons would proclude someone from eating any meat?

IMO, if you're morally against eating meat, you shouldn't want to eat something that looks or tastes like meat.

Also, health reasons and morality don't explain why this stuff is called what it is. Instead of meatless meatloaf, it should be called tofuloaf or soyloaf, depending on what it's made with (meatless meatballs should follow the same naming convention).

Finally, I've never tried BocaBurgers, but that's probably because I can't find them with bits of cheese and bacon mixed into them.
Speaking only for myself--and I'm very new to the meatless way of life--I'm not eating meat that comes from factory farms because I'm concerned about what it might do to me. We're talking about animals that are sprayed with pesticide, are dosed with huge amounts of antibiotics and growth hormones, and which, if they're seriously sick, are rushed to the slaughterhouse because as long as they're ambulatory, they're considered okay for consumption. People like me look at that and say "that meat can't be good for you." But I still like it, and I'll still eat organic and free-range meat, but since I can't afford that, I imagine I'll eat some BocaBurgers when the urge strikes me. It hasn't yet--I'm still in the fully meatless mode.

Or the thousands upon thousands of animals that are torn to shreds whenever grain is harvested?

Anybody actually come up with a real figure for the average amount of creatures killed per acre of grain or similar product? I see this argument brought up pretty often, but nothing to back it up.

What I want to know is, why do you want the look and taste of meat in your meatless diet?
I don't and i think this stuff is retarded.

Anybody actually come up with a real figure for the average amount of creatures killed per acre of grain or similar product? I see this argument brought up pretty often, but nothing to back it up.

It took me a minute to track this down. (http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html)

meatless meatballs = balls.

*giggles*

>.>
<.<

*busts out laughing*

:D I hung around all the pervs in middle school.

You want some balls with your spaghetti? :eek:

Balls of meat. :eek:

Let's just stop perving this thread up..... :eek:

I was walking through the grocery store the other day, and I saw the vegetarian products in one of the coolers. Now, I have no problem with people that are vegetarians (vegans who try to force their ways on me, on the other hand, ....). However, I saw meatless meatloaf, meatless meatballs, meatless riblets and other meatless products that claim to have the look and taste of meat.

What I want to know is, why do you want the look and taste of meat in your meatless diet? Why do food companies call these meatless products what they're labeled? Meatless meatloaf = loaf, just like meatless meatballs = balls. There can be no such thing as meatless riblets, because (as far as I know), the only thing that has ribs, is made out of meat. Meatless ground beef? I don't know WHAT the hell that is.

To sum up, I guess I just want to know why?

/head explodes trying to figure out meatless steak
because not all Vegetarians/Vegas start out like that. some are people who converted... are trying out? the dietary lifestyle. so some meat-like foods might be easier for them to stick to their dietary habits.

Perhaps. I'm still of the mind that 'meat' must be mammalian.
Right, because turtles aren't meat. And duck isn't meat.

You're made of meat. Parts of you are probably tasty when properly prepared.

Right, because turtles aren't meat. And duck isn't meat.

You're made of meat. Parts of you are probably tasty when properly prepared.

:eek: