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if you dont want to read, i'll save you the time. There was this death row inmate who was put to death last week. Only the lethal injection was botched and it's likely he died a slow and painful death. He was sentenced for murdering a maimi bar owner 27 years ago. Florida has since suspended all death penalties until a ruling is made. And yesterday, a doctor ruled that the way the sentence was carried out could be considered torture.



WAIT A MINUTE...HOLD THE PHONE!!!! This man MURDERED a woman! She was raped, which is probably the biggest form of torture i can think of. So now we're going to feel bad because a KILLER and RAPIST felt the same pain his victim felt when she was ruthlessly murdered. I feel no pitty for this man, he got what he deserved. Kill the killers.

*snip*

Kill the killers.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.

So now we're going to feel bad because a KILLER and RAPIST felt the same pain his victim felt when she was ruthlessly murdered.

Yes. The government should not be in the business of vengeance.

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if you dont want to read, i'll save you the time. There was this death row inmate who was put to death last week. Only the lethal injection was botched and it's likely he died a slow and painful death. He was sentenced for murdering a maimi bar owner 27 years ago. Florida has since suspended all death penalties until a ruling is made. And yesterday, a doctor ruled that the way the sentence was carried out could be considered torture.



WAIT A MINUTE...HOLD THE PHONE!!!! This man MURDERED a woman! She was raped, which is probably the biggest form of torture i can think of. So now we're going to feel bad because a KILLER and RAPIST felt the same pain his victim felt when she was ruthlessly murdered. I feel no pitty for this man, he got what he deserved. Kill the killers.
Believe it or not, our system of justice isn't based on revenge. Revenge is a pretty shitty way to run a system of justice, if you want to get down to it.

I don't think you can call something "torture" without any kind of intent. You can accidentally injure someone, or cause pain, but it can't be called torture. Similarly, a botched injection is an accident, not an act of torture. The intent is to cause painless death, whether it is painless or not. I don't think lethal injection will be struck down after appeals.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.

who said that, Gandi?

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if you dont want to read, i'll save you the time. There was this death row inmate who was put to death last week. Only the lethal injection was botched and it's likely he died a slow and painful death. He was sentenced for murdering a maimi bar owner 27 years ago. Florida has since suspended all death penalties until a ruling is made. And yesterday, a doctor ruled that the way the sentence was carried out could be considered torture.



WAIT A MINUTE...HOLD THE PHONE!!!! This man MURDERED a woman! She was raped, which is probably the biggest form of torture i can think of. So now we're going to feel bad because a KILLER and RAPIST felt the same pain his victim felt when she was ruthlessly murdered. I feel no pitty for this man, he got what he deserved. Kill the killers.


Well, you see in general I like to feel that compared to such people I'm in the moral highground, rather than on a par with them.

WAIT A MINUTE...HOLD THE PHONE!!!! This man MURDERED a woman! She was raped, which is probably the biggest form of torture i can think of. So now we're going to feel bad because a KILLER and RAPIST felt the same pain his victim felt when she was ruthlessly murdered. I feel no pitty for this man, he got what he deserved. Kill the killers.

I'm reminded of a Terry Pratchett quote I read not so long ago.

It doesn't matter what he is. It matters what we are.

who said that, Gandi?

I think he did. It makes sense either way.

Exactly, the only way to stop murder is to institutionalize government murder.






:rolleyes:

Well I don't agree with the death sentence so I think that it was an unfortunate accident. Did the guy get what he deserved? I really don't know. In one way the woman that he murdered probably didn't see the murder coming until just before hand, while he knew exactly when he was supposed to die. In some ways dying suddenly isn't as bad as counting down the days. Then again, his death was only something that would happen if he got caught; and so he signed his own death warrant for rape and murder. I wouldn't want to wish pain on anyone, to be honest, but he brought it on himself. I guess it's sort of a cruel irony. Maybe if the means of execution was more painful then less people would commit crimes worthy of it? Painful or not I think that execution is barbaric.

But I don't think that rape is the worse form of torture; it's a horrible and traumatic thing for the victim, but I'm sure that there are much worse things to go through.

What does it mean that you are willing to have people killed and/or tortured in your name?

Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because a murderer had murdered someone does, it does not mean we have the right to murder the murderer.

Justice is truth, not vengence.
Do I ever sound holier-than-thou... c.c

In Canada, there is no capital punishment - and I'd be very upset if it was instituted. There's been a number of people sentenced to life in prison for murders they did not commit. Thankfully, they weren't sentenced to death - otherwise there'd've been still more innocent blood shed, and for what?

A morbid sense of satisfaction?

I don't see as how this is in any way helpful or healthy to either society-at-large or the individual citizen.

I don't think you can call something "torture" without any kind of intent. You can accidentally injure someone, or cause pain, but it can't be called torture. Similarly, a botched injection is an accident, not an act of torture. The intent is to cause painless death, whether it is painless or not. I don't think lethal injection will be struck down after appeals.I think I read an article on this a few days ago. It said that the combination of drugs isn't used to put down animals anymore because it is thought to be cruel. Therefore, if the state's intention is to cause a painless death then it really shouldn't be using the lethal injection. Otherwise it cannot truthfully claim its intent is to cause a painless death.

who said that, Gandi?

No, Ghandi said it.

No, Ghandi said it.

No, Gandhi said it.

I think I read an article on this a few days ago. It said that the combination of drugs isn't used to put down animals anymore because it is thought to be cruel. Therefore, if the state's intention is to cause a painless death then it really shouldn't be using the lethal injection. Otherwise it cannot truthfully claim its intent is to cause a painless death.

I doubt that animals were ever killed using the same three-drug method that prisoners are killed with. It would seem an unneccesary expense to use separate drugs to sedate, stop respiration, and finally stop heart function if you were putting down a rabbit or cat. Either way, it's often said that the sedative alone is enough to basically "kill" the prisoners executed by that method, with the other chemicals acting mainly to ensure the result. Even if the method is tinkered with to guarantee painlessness, there's no question that the purpose is to minimize pain currently.

No, Gandhi said it.

no Mohandas Karamchand silly westerner!

no Mohandas Karamchand silly westerner!

Actually Gandhi was his surname. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
And what a legend he was.

no Mohandas Karamchand silly westerner!

I knew he was a schizo.

Well, you see in general I like to feel that compared to such people I'm in the moral highground, rather than on a par with them.

everything in the thread said after this is superfluous.

Where do you all get rape from? I read the article. Rape was never even mentioned. All it said was he killed a bar owner.

Where do you all get rape from? I read the article. Rape was never even mentioned. All it said was he killed a bar owner.

He enhanced the story for sake of argument. Nothing new really, the media do it everyday.

did y'all miss the part where the US constitution forbids cruel and unusual punishment?

you can kill someone, you cant torture them to death no matter what they did.

I doubt that animals were ever killed using the same three-drug method that prisoners are killed with. It would seem an unneccesary expense to use separate drugs to sedate, stop respiration, and finally stop heart function if you were putting down a rabbit or cat. Either way, it's often said that the sedative alone is enough to basically "kill" the prisoners executed by that method, with the other chemicals acting mainly to ensure the result. Even if the method is tinkered with to guarantee painlessness, there's no question that the purpose is to minimize pain currently.Here's the article. Looks like I remembered it incorrectly. But still, one of the drugs in cocktail was banned from vetinary use. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1973511,00.htmlExecution by lethal injection was introduced across America during the 1990s to replace the use of the gas chamber and electric chair, reportedly because it was more humane and reliable. But concerns have grown about the use of lethal injection - especially after one of the chemicals used in the cocktail of three drugs was banned from veterinary use.And this is from wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection In 2005, University of Miami researchers, in cooperation with an attorney representing death row inmates, published a research letter in the medical journal The Lancet. The letter stated that in 43 of the 49 executions they investigated (88%), the level of thiopental in the blood was lower than that required for surgery.[13] This has led them to believe that the prisoners were fully aware of what was happening to them. The authors attributed the rate of likely consciousness among inmates to the lack of training and monitoring in the process, and recommended that states take a look at the American Veterinary Medical Association's recommendations on animal euthanasia[14], which prohibits the use of paralytic agents in combination with barbiturates and adopts as the only "acceptable method" for euthanizing nonhuman primates a single injection of a short-acting barbiturate such as sodium pentobarbital.*shrugs*